Killboard! f13.7mph.com

[Endie]

I'm a little surprised that noone else has posted trying to get another roam happening during the week. With my new CoD4 and a main that needs to stay active, I pretty much can only run the Sunday Night thing.

I'd actually be quite happy to run a gang midweek at some point, and will when I'm back from Christmas, but someone else would have to give me suggestions of a few likely target systems to hit.  Outside of the south I'm moderately clueless about targets.

[dwindlehop]

I heard Bruce left Syndicate?

[Hakeldaima]

I thought Bruce had taken systems in Fountain (away from RISE?).

[Viin]

killboard should be back up, but with original version - new version coming later.

http://f13.7mph.com

[Viin]

New version of the KB is up.

[Thrawn]

Just a bump to make sure everyone is posting on the killboard.

[Viin]

Still trying to figure out how it's allocating ISK for kills to members, haven't figured out what exactly is going on but it obviously doesn't make any sense.

The best measure of success on the KB will be on Killpoints, but the ISK count should work.

[Thrawn]

Fresh bump, maybe we should just sticky this topic?

[Viin]

I would if I could! No mods in this forum, they are scared! (Well, unless Yoru is around again.  )

[Der Helm]

I recently got disconnected in a mission and when I logged back in later, I found myself in a clone.

Since NPC's don't pod you, I conclude I was ganked, but I did not get a mail with the name of the person who destroyed my pod (or my ship, since I should have warped off on the disconnect, right) ?
 Why ?

[IainC]

I recently got disconnected in a mission and when I logged back in later, I found myself in a clone.

Since NPC's don't pod you, I conclude I was ganked, but I did not get a mail with the name of the person who destroyed my pod (or my ship, since I should have warped off on the disconnect, right) ?
 Why ?

You should have kill rights listed for the guy who podded you (bottom tab on the character sheet). If not then petition it to see what happened.

[Slayerik]

He would get kill rights whether he was podded or not, unless it was a war target kinda thing. Like IainC said, check your character sheet for the kill mail and rights.

[Endie]

Your combat log is the place to look, under "losses".

[Hoax]

All of us need to post the loses from last night (myself included) to the Dominix at the end of another mostly frig training op.  Also send Irek your insurance cost for insuring your replacement ship for reimbursement.

[Merusk]

I'll get around to it when I'm on next.  I'm not gonna send the insurance bill to Irek, though, as I was using entirely corp-owned modules.. because my Rupture hull was empty when I got into Sankka. 

Might be a few days tho, as I set Science to train to V so I have no pressing need to login for at least 5 days.

[Endie]

Dominixes, vexors and other drone boats are probably the best thing to be wary of in frigate ops!

Not counting typhoons with faction smartbombs and Bhaalgorn backup... 

[Thrawn]

Dominixes, vexors and other drone boats are probably the best thing to be wary of in frigate ops!

I think we might of been ok against the Dominex if we were ready but it was just bad timing.  Bhodi ran into him at the very last gate before we were in empire and done for the night, we had already searched the belts and everything in the system and were pretty much finished.  (He was very low security standing so fair game even on the gate.)  We were very disorganized and all over the place and his T2 drones tore into Bhodi (although he stuck it out for a while) and he beat up on  disorganized frigate stragglers jumping in to help.  Irek was in a battlecrusier but ended up with his own issues and I don't know if he ever even got to lay eyes on the Domi.  I think I managed to kill ONE drone before I had to jump out and I was in structure damage when I jumped.  Granted that one T2 drone probably cost 2X as the entire Rifter+fittings I had but getting no kill and losing Bhodi was very...bleh.

[Endie]

Still, sounds like a useful learning experience, and at least you got a fight!

[bhodi]

I made a few mistakes:

1. I wasn't aligned, thinking I could jump through the gate if things got hairy. Gate Lockout FTL.
2. I split my EW between him and his drones, forgetting that:
   a. He can't command his drones to kill anyone if he's jammed
   b. EW apparently doesn't work on drones at all (or, maybe works, but takes WAY too much to jam them, on the order of 2 modules each)
   c. 2 racials doesn't completely lock down a BS all the time.

So, I jammed him until everyone got there, getting the jam off before he finished locking me... so his drones weren't hitting me at first. People showed up, started attacking his drones, but then I lost the jam, he sent his drones to me, my smartbombs wouldn't activate because I was sitting on the gate, plus I wasn't aligned so I popped, and then he just took out one guy after another. Again though it seems that we just don't have the DPS we need in frigates -- I'm not sure that we could have even broken his tank at all.

I lost maybe, I dunno, about 1 mil all told; Plat insurance return on a blackbird is cost + 500k, so it almost covered blackbird+insurance - I lost a few modules, I did have good named EWs, but I happened to grab them for great deals, so no biggie.

It's well worth the cost lost, to get more experienced in small scale PvP. 1 mil is pretty much nothing at this point.

[5150]

I made a few mistakes:

1. I wasn't aligned, thinking I could jump through the gate if things got hairy. Gate Lockout FTL.
2. I split my EW between him and his drones, forgetting that:
   a. He can't command his drones to kill anyone if he's jammed
   b. EW apparently doesn't work on drones at all (or, maybe works, but takes WAY too much to jam them, on the order of 2 modules each)
   c. 2 racials doesn't completely lock down a BS all the time.

So, I jammed him until everyone got there, getting the jam off before he finished locking me... so his drones weren't hitting me at first. People showed up, started attacking his drones, but then I lost the jam, he sent his drones to me, my smartbombs wouldn't activate because I was sitting on the gate, plus I wasn't aligned so I popped, and then he just took out one guy after another. Again though it seems that we just don't have the DPS we need in frigates -- I'm not sure that we could have even broken his tank at all.

I lost maybe, I dunno, about 1 mil all told; Plat insurance return on a blackbird is cost + 500k, so it almost covered blackbird+insurance - I lost a few modules, I did have good named EWs, but I happened to grab them for great deals, so no biggie.

It's well worth the cost lost, to get more experienced in small scale PvP. 1 mil is pretty much nothing at this point.

For Caldari and Gallente I usually work on the basis that I need 3 jammers to keep a BS perma-jammed.

Just a couple of pointers for future

Sounds like you were in transit somewhere which is why you were on the gate but otherwise you should always be at max-ECM range (which is usually out of drone range)

Bear in mind that, if you were there first, my understanding is that the drones would auto-attack you the minute you engaged if the drones were already in space - he probably didnt need to put them specifically on you until he was engaged by more than 1 target

I've only heard of people bothering to use ECM bursts on drones (and I'm really not sure why they bother since it only breaks lock) but since they have a sensor strength I guess they should be able to be jammed (lights have the same sensor strength as Frigates, Mediums as cruisers and Heavies as Battleships across all 4 sensor types)

[Viin]

And just for the record, I did engage the Domi with everyone else, but only for 10 seconds or so. Next thing I know I'm warping back to the belt I came from (wtf?) which was 60 AUs away. By the time I got back to the gate everyone was gone and I engaged the Domi again, killing one more of his drones and then lit out. I was barely eating into his armor tank by myself anyways.

[bhodi]

Sounds like you were in transit somewhere which is why you were on the gate but otherwise you should always be at max-ECM range (which is usually out of drone range)

Yes. We were heading home and hit a gatecamp from the other direction. The guy was sitting on the lowsec entrance gate, waiting to hit people coming into lowsec. It seems like I never get to fight at my optimal; I may just fit a damn MWD so I can rush out there since we always seem to be fighting /warping in on a gate or station for hi-sec warfare.

Bear in mind that, if you were there first, my understanding is that the drones would auto-attack you the minute you engaged if the drones were already in space - he probably didnt need to put them specifically on you until he was engaged by more than 1 target

You'd think that. I believe it's true, if the drones were in space. He launched them for me. We had passed through that same gate a few minutes before and were heading back; I believe he had just got there and was still setting up his camp. If the drones are out, they'll attack, but if you launch them they will just sit there apparently. I'm kind of sketchy on how this works. Maybe they don't autoattack because they are in range of gateguns or something.

[Slayerik]

You guys NPC right? Its the same effect. If I have my drones out, and someone attacks me (or if I lock and have drones engage target) they will fight until there are no more hostiles left to attack. No matter how many times im jammed, my drones will try to rape face on that first target.

[Morat20]

You guys NPC right? Its the same effect. If I have my drones out, and someone attacks me (or if I lock and have drones engage target) they will fight until there are no more hostiles left to attack. No matter how many times im jammed, my drones will try to rape face on that first target.

Does it? I've never really checked (mostly because the NPC's don't jam my targetting these days), but I really can't tell which of the following is true:

1) My drones will attack hostiles I've locked on to, even without the order.
2) My drones will attack hostiles even without the order.

I don't deploy drones until I have locked targets and aggro, and I can't recall if I've ever seen my drones go tearassing after a non-locked target. At the very least, they give priority to locked targets.

[lac]

1) My drones will attack hostiles I've locked on to, even without the order.

Not true, unless the hostile in question starts shooting you.

2) My drones will attack hostiles even without the order.

True, if the hostile fires at you. Drones will also auto-attack a target after their current target explodes. Small drones will auto-attack frigates, medium drones will go for cruisers and large ones will attack a bs (if there are any).

If drones are attacking they will keep at it untill there are no more targets left in range, even if you are jammed/dampened the entire time.

[Der Helm]

They attack targets you have not locked, sometimes you lock a new target and it already has that drone attack symbol next to it.

[Murgos]

Drones will go after whoever has hit you (or them) recently.

If I'm doing PVE vs a bunch of small frigs I just get aggro and launch them, they will run around and pop, pop, pop there goes the frigs while I go loot and salvage.  No need to direct the fight or even target.

[Morat20]

1) My drones will attack hostiles I've locked on to, even without the order.

Not true, unless the hostile in question starts shooting you.

That's what I meant by "hostile". I generally direct my drones -- they seem to occasionally split targets, and I don't like that.

Anyways, it's still worth it to jam the Domi and ignore the drones. Even jammed, he'll just play call and release with them, but when he's jammed he can't force them to attack his jammer, so they'll aggro more randomly.

I wonder if you can force them to aggro? Like once you jam the Domi, have someone with a solid tank drop a smartbomb on the drones -- get them focused on him while everyone else DPS's in the clear? Will they switch targets on damage, or keep on their current target? The Domi pilot probably won't recall his drones if they don't take too much damage, and if his targetting is jammed he won't be able to see how well the drone's target is tanking their damage.

If I was jammed and all my drones were concentrating on a single target and not dying, I'd probably leave them out -- but I'm a newb to PvP.

[5150]

You guys NPC right? Its the same effect. If I have my drones out, and someone attacks me (or if I lock and have drones engage target) they will fight until there are no more hostiles left to attack. No matter how many times im jammed, my drones will try to rape face on that first target.

Thanks for the info

I dont NPC much anymore since I went to the dark side full time about a year ago (I find missions very boring but I do have a mission running character) and none of my characters are heavy drone users [currently] hence my drone knowledge is currently on the light side.

[Hoax]

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=132

Still missing the other 3 kills, lazy gits.

[Viin]

I'll grab them from the corp kill log tonight, unless we suddenly lose another 10 ships and it scrolls off .. 

[ajax34i]

"Top Losers"?  Should rename that, I think.

[Viin]

It's not my fault you guys are losers!! 

[bhodi]

:(

[Viin]

Heh, actually the KB is acting a little funny because we have both F13 and BAT in there. Normally 'Top Losers' would just be folks in other corps, but it can't handle two primary corps.