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Reply #385 on: January 08, 2008, 09:31:02 PM

I googled up Sherwood Dungeon, having never heard of it.  It's a dumbed-down kiddie MMO, but the graphics are good for this sort of thing, and it was dead-easy to log into.  I was impressed to be running a character around a reasonably decent looking 3D world within three minutes of hitting the site.

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Reply #386 on: January 09, 2008, 09:20:25 AM

Phantasy Star Online should be higher.  The problem is that it's not a Top 10 title.  It's a Top 20.

It doesn't feel like an MMO to me.  Even Guild Wars seemed to have more of a world than PSO.

Also, it depends on the version.  Original PSO was a fucking nightmare, between the greifers and the glitches and their goddamn "anti-cheating measures".

I think I'm the only one in this entire thread to list PSO in their top 10.  Why did I?  Well, I haven't played more than 10 MMOs, so right there it makes it.  Also, PSO was the very first online game I played so it gets nostalgia points for that.  I still keep in touch with some friends I made in that game, which is more than I can say about some of the other games I listed.

I find the bottom part of this list incredibly interesting.

In what way? (cam'on, like you didn't think some one was going to ask.)

EDIT: You know what i would find interesting is if someone placed the development cost of each of those titles next to them. I see a lot of indi titles on the bottom of the list.

The funniest thing I've seen on the list is The Matrix Online has only just now finally managed to tie Furcadia in the rankings.  Think about that.  ACK!

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Reply #387 on: January 09, 2008, 01:37:59 PM

I googled up Sherwood Dungeon, having never heard of it.  It's a dumbed-down kiddie MMO, but the graphics are good for this sort of thing, and it was dead-easy to log into.  I was impressed to be running a character around a reasonably decent looking 3D world within three minutes of hitting the site.

Yep. Blizzard's not calling all their analysts or anything over it. But it's indicative of what's possible.

But I only mentioned it because it was a one-man operation. A better example of modern-thinking browser-based MMOs are the Flash/Java ones. Instead of forcing crappy 3D into a browser window like Sherwood or those ActiveWorlds applet things, developers balance the "low tech" with more heavy styling in the art, for things like Adventure Quest or even the much-mentioned Club Penguin (Webkinz too but I don't consider that an MMO). There's also games I consider as browser-viable except they're currently download based, like Ragnarok, Dofus, Maplestory. But they are also pretty asset-intensive, which might explain the upfront download (as well as maybe some DRM/tech stuff). There's only so much data you want to be streaming since the purpose of browser-games is to cast as wide a net as possible, including to schools with five year old PCs and low-end broadband.
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Reply #388 on: January 11, 2008, 10:19:39 AM

Late to the party I know but so the fuck what?

1. SWG-pre NGE (first MMO played, loved loved loved it!  Spent the first three months pissing around without even exploring half the game or doing dungeons or stuff - just exploring and doing stuff and chilling with my fantastic guild.  Then JTL came out and I spent all my time in space.  Miss it a lot.)
2. WOW (surprise?)
3. LOTRO (where my old SWG guild went and I followed.  Don't play it much but pretty much enjoy it when I do.  Very pretty game.)
4. EVE - as much as I didn't want to get involved in this, I did.  Would prefer more JTL twitch style play though.  It just doesn't quite give me what I want as space games go.
5. Guild Wars (for the prettiness)
6. EQ2 - because it's the only other game I played for more than a couple of weeks before I suddenly realised what a fucking timesink it was.  Random quest spawns on a 6 hour timer?  WTF?  Also, every time I went to the Crossroads, I kept thinking "The Barrens is a better place"

Tried but never got into Anarchy Online, DAOC, CoX.

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Reply #389 on: January 11, 2008, 10:40:31 AM

Late you are not!

In fact, everyone has until January 21st (PotBS launch day) to vote. Would be so cute to reach 200, but I doubt it.

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Reply #390 on: January 15, 2008, 12:21:37 PM

My Top 10  List

 1 - Dark Age of Camelot
 2 - Anarchy Online
 3 - Lord of the Rings Online
 4 - EVE Online
 5 - Guild Wars
 6 - Asherons Call2
 7 - World of Warcraft
 8 - City of Heros/Villans
 9 - Neocron
10 - Everquest2

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Reply #391 on: January 15, 2008, 01:09:08 PM

TOP 10  awesome, for real

1 - Dark Age of Camelot
2 - Asheron's Call
3 - Ultima Online
4 - Lineage 2
5 - ShadowBane
6 - Guild Wars
7 - World of Warcraft  swamp poop
8 - Star Wars Galaxies
9 - Dofus
10 - Eve Online
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Reply #392 on: January 15, 2008, 01:10:40 PM

I'll make a Grand Final Update on January 21st. Stay on your toes. Or not.

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Reply #393 on: January 15, 2008, 03:46:43 PM

1 - Shadowbane
2 - UO
3 - EQ1
4 - AC1
5 - Guild Wars
6 - Socialotron
7 - CoH

Another 3 would be meaningless.
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Reply #395 on: January 17, 2008, 07:10:45 PM

1.Runescape
Agility, farming, Al Kharid, Cooking,the Haunted Mansion, trading are just some of the things that make Runescape a special game. If the game allowed for faster skilling up it would be close to perfect for such a low tech game.

2.World of Warcraft
Ogrimar, Lorderon, Undead storyline, Warrior, Mage, Shadowfang Keep, Arathi Basin are some of the things that make World of Warcraft a great game.

3.Eve Online
SPAAAACCE!, the increasing size of ships, the economy, the music, being able to enjoy Eve when not playing it are some of the things that make Eve standout from the rest for me.

The Above three are games I actually ended up paying for.

4.Planetside
Pop lock. Nothing else needs to be said about what makes Planetside an epic experience.
I was considering on paying for this but decided not to after Sony increased the subscription fee.

The above are my top 4. The rest just fill out the bottom after a big gap.

5. Pending for a better game to come along.
6. Pending for a better game to come along.
7. See above
8. You know the drill

9. 9Dragons (pun not intended)
10. Anarchy Online (sad but 9dragons was better to me because metagaming 9dragons was more amusing than actually playing Anarchy).

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Reply #396 on: January 17, 2008, 09:05:29 PM

First came the ones I played for years and years.

1. World of Warcraft - This game is so tightly wound into my history, and continues to be to current day, I can't say it is any less then the best. Arenas continue to be the most fun activity in that game.
2. EverQuest - Another game that incorporated itself into 5 years of my life, on and off. It doesn't have to be good, it was just the first.
3. Ultima Online - I was so awful at this game. I was too big of a newbie to get into anything meaningful like my friends were, but this game was just a big fun sandbox. Yay sandbox! I think I've made more comebacks to this game then even EverQuest.

Every game beyond these three never managed to hook me for more then a few months at a time.

4. EverQuest 2 - My first time in this game was more fun then my comeback, but regardless, still a great contender. If WoW hadn't come out when it did, I suspect this game would have done a lot better.
5. Shadowbane - I never really played this game very far past beta, aside from a comeback or two when it was free, but I always remember this game as the game where I started to be unafraid to pvp.
6. Dark Age of Camelot - [size=pt]I came back a few times to this game. Always fun, even though I never got to the RvR sections, which supposedly was the whole dang point of it. Even so, crafting was fun, as was low level pvp on my... uh... Albion wizard guy during the latest comeback. One-shotting people at low health was hilarious.[/size]
7. Guiid Wars - Man, I wanted to love this game so much more then I did. I made a few comebacks, and I never really understood the game until my latest comeback, when I actually made it to 20. Fun stuff, I can see the appeal.
8. City of Heroes/Villians - It's the character creator/travel skill game. Other then that, kind of grindy, but y'know. I came back a few times to this.
9. Lord Of The Rings Online - This game was quite a clever and polished game, it's sad I was too entrenched in WoW to really care about it. The whole lorebook thing was sweet.
10. Star Wars Galaxies - Never played this Post-NGE, so it's still not a terrible game in my head. I only made one comeback after launch, and it was kind of lonely. I had a free respec, so I went some dorky melee spec. A quirky game, but was very world-y and fun in that respect.
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Reply #397 on: January 18, 2008, 04:49:09 AM

01) Shadowbane
02) Ultima Online
03) Guild Wars
04) Fury
05) Fung Wan Online

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Reply #398 on: January 20, 2008, 05:00:58 AM

Last day!

You have 24 hous left to cast your vote in stone. Vote, now or never. Go lurkies!

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Reply #399 on: January 20, 2008, 05:52:50 AM

Hope I didn't miss the boat and this thread made me finally to create an account.

1. Everquest
2. Ultima Online (Was my first MMO, but EQ takes the throne)
3. Dark Ages of Camelot
4. Anarchy Online
5. World of Warcraft
6. Everquest 2
7. Asheron's Call
8. Lord of the Rings Online
9. Star Wars Galaxies (The original)
10. The 4th Coming (3rd MMO I ever played)

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Reply #400 on: January 20, 2008, 10:50:43 AM

1) DAoC
2) World of Warcraft
3) Everquest II
4) SWG
5) Lineage II

6) ...Oh no time for  swamp poop
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Reply #401 on: January 20, 2008, 03:08:11 PM

1. EVE Online
2. DaoC
3. WoW
4. SWG (Pre-NGE, ofc)
5. Asheron's Call


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Reply #402 on: January 20, 2008, 06:26:35 PM

1) Dark Age of Camelot - RvR, that's all (up to 1.47 or so, then devs started "smoking" too much).
2) None
3) None
- (1 minute of silence here due to the gap between DAoC and all of the others) -
4) World of Warcraft - The "perfect" game for the masses (good and easy PvE, stupid PvP).
5) Lord of the Rings Online - The fascinating "easy way" (if You are not playing the "creep side").
6) Ultima Online - No more words about it, I am bored.
7) Star Wars Galaxies - Wookie wannabe. The swg feeling and its music... wow.
N) City of Heroes, Everquest 2, Lineage 2

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Reply #403 on: January 21, 2008, 12:53:03 AM

1. DAoC
2. WoW
3. ATitD
4. EQ2
5. CoH/CoV
6. EQ
7. UO
8. Anarchy Online
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Reply #404 on: January 23, 2008, 04:38:17 PM

1) Dark Age of Camelot - RvR, that's all (up to 1.47 or so, then devs started "smoking" too much).
2) None
3) None
- (1 minute of silence here due to the gap between DAoC and all of the others) -
4) World of Warcraft - The "perfect" game for the masses (good and easy PvE, stupid PvP).
5) Lord of the Rings Online - The fascinating "easy way" (if You are not playing the "creep side").
6) Ultima Online - No more words about it, I am bored.
7) Star Wars Galaxies - Wookie wannabe. The swg feeling and its music... wow.
N) City of Heroes, Everquest 2, Lineage 2

Have a good day!

Are people just applying their own rules for making these lists?  Because this is the most whack one yet.  He's got 8 titles and is only awarding 5 of them points with a 2-space gap in the middle of his list.

I mean, shit.  Your second favorite is your SECOND FAVORITE, not "Sure I'll pick it second but that's only until something comes along that is a second, and let's fucking say third favorite for me."

This is the only place I've seen Top Ten lists where there are actually gaps in the list.  Can you imagine if major sites did this? That'd be hilarious!
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Reply #405 on: January 23, 2008, 04:43:34 PM

Are people just applying their own rules for making these lists? 




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Reply #406 on: January 23, 2008, 04:49:30 PM

Are people just applying their own rules for making these lists?  Because this is the most whack one yet.  He's got 8 titles and is only awarding 5 of them points with a 2-space gap in the middle of his list.

I mean, shit.  Your second favorite is your SECOND FAVORITE, not "Sure I'll pick it second but that's only until something comes along that is a second, and let's fucking say third favorite for me."

This is the only place I've seen Top Ten lists where there are actually gaps in the list.  Can you imagine if major sites did this? That'd be hilarious!


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Reply #407 on: January 23, 2008, 05:00:01 PM

Hmm, we need some sort of committee of heavy hitters to adjudicate...

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Reply #408 on: January 23, 2008, 07:01:10 PM

Are people just applying their own rules for making these lists?  Because this is the most whack one yet.  He's got 8 titles and is only awarding 5 of them points with a 2-space gap in the middle of his list.

I mean, shit.  Your second favorite is your SECOND FAVORITE, not "Sure I'll pick it second but that's only until something comes along that is a second, and let's fucking say third favorite for me."

This is the only place I've seen Top Ten lists where there are actually gaps in the list.  Can you imagine if major sites did this? That'd be hilarious!

We were following the rules. There's nothing that says we can't have gaps. There is a rule that say we rate things based on our analysis. In our analysis there are things that clearly don't deserve their spot.

Can't wait for this to be updated. Would like to see something like this done again in other sizeable messageboards like Foh or mmorpg.

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Reply #409 on: January 23, 2008, 07:30:12 PM

Who cares.

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Reply #410 on: January 24, 2008, 09:31:47 AM

He's obviously a moron...

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Reply #411 on: January 24, 2008, 11:13:39 AM

Are people just applying their own rules for making these lists?  Because this is the most whack one yet.  He's got 8 titles and is only awarding 5 of them points with a 2-space gap in the middle of his list.

It doesn't matter since every incremental vote for the last few weeks hasn't been enough to move the list significantly. The consensus spoke as of a month ago and now it is just noise.

I have never played WoW.
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Reply #412 on: January 28, 2008, 01:46:07 AM

Sorry for being late. Finland does horrible things to internet presence.

Here is the final update of this chart. Didn't make it to 200 votes but still a nice result.
Thanks to everyone for patience and participation.

And oh, DAoC's final 2nd place and Shadowbane's 11th are two impressive results to me.


Here is the FINAL chart:

Based on 187 votes.

----- The top 10 -----

1263 pts. - World of Warcraft
758 pts. - Dark Age of Camelot   
722 pts. - City of Heroes/Villains
696 pts. - Ultima Online
614 pts. - EverQuest
589 pts. - Eve Online
539 pts. - EverQuest 2
489 pts. - Star Wars Galaxies
466 pts. - Lord of the Rings Online
318 Pts. - Asheron's Call

----- 11th to 20th -----

288 pts. - Shadowbane
286 pts. - Anarchy Online
269 pts. - Planetside
254 pts. - Guild Wars
145 pts. - A Tale in the Desert
131 pts. - Final Fantasy XI
119 pts. - Puzzle Pirates
98 pts. - Dungeons & Dragons Online   
93 pts. - Lineage 2
89 pts. - Tabula Rasa   

----- 21th to 30th -----

68 pts. - Asheron's Call 2
67 pts. - Vanguard 
65 pts. - WWII Online
56 pts. - Horizons
46 pts. - Toontown
35 pts. - Earth & Beyond
32 pts. - Shadow of Yserbius
32 pts. - Saga of Ryzom
28 pts. - Neocron
26 pts. - Meridian 59 

----- 31th up -----

23 pts. - Air Warrior
20 pts. - 10six
19 pts. - Jumpgate
15 pts. - Runescape     
14 pts. - Auto Assault   
13 pts. - Maple Story
12 pts. - Motor City Online
12 pts. - Subspace
12 pts. - Dungeon Runners
11 pts. - Phantasy Star Universe
9 pts. - Endless Ages
9 pts. - FlyFF   
8 pts. - Neverwinter Nights (AOL)   
8 pts. - Voyage Century Online   
8 pts. - Minions of Mirth
7 pts. - Ashen Empires (was: Dransik)
7 pts. - EverQuest Online Adventures
7 pts. - Shattered Galaxies
7 pts. - Lineage
7 pts. - Rappelz 
7 pts. - Fury
6 pts. - Underlight
6 pts. - Test Drive Unlimited
6 pts. - Fung Wan Online
5 pts. - Mankind
5 pts. - Phantasy Star Online
5 pts. - Furcadia
5 pts. - Astonia
5 pts. - 9Dragons
5 pts. - The Matrix Online
4 pts. - Darnk 'n Light
2 pts. - Legend of Mir 3
2 pts. - Dofus
1 pts. - The 4th Coming
1 pts. - Face of Mankind




FINAL UPDATE: The last EDIT is up to Lanc, reply #403.


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Reply #413 on: January 28, 2008, 03:20:15 AM

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93 pts. - Lineage 2
89 pts. - Tabula Rasa   
68 pts. - Asheron's Call 2
67 pts. - Vanguard

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Reply #414 on: January 28, 2008, 04:30:01 AM

We could name a cocktail after it. Or a hamburger. Lé Big Wreck.
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Reply #415 on: January 28, 2008, 08:30:41 AM

I'm amazed Fury got 7 points. 
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Reply #416 on: January 28, 2008, 08:31:49 AM

I'm amazed Fury got 7 points. 

Vanguard got 67.

What's your point?
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Reply #417 on: January 28, 2008, 08:32:39 AM

If you compare development budget versus ranking, I think ATitD wins. 

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Reply #418 on: January 28, 2008, 08:36:10 AM

I'm amazed Fury got 7 points. 

Vanguard got 67.

What's your point?

Vanguard had more fanbois.
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Reply #419 on: January 28, 2008, 08:49:03 AM

Impressive that the "Big 3" (UO, AC, EQ) all stayed in the top 10 after all these years. Strong nostalgia or just solid MMOGs? You decide(d)!

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