Jade Raymond wants to be left alone.

[Yegolev]

OK, how do you explain the asian girl, Mr. Rickles?

[stray]

You want to know why people are pissed at her and ridicule her to no end? This picture.



This picture is some epic bullshit. Who is the lead designer, lead combat designer, lead artist, and sound director? Do you know? No.

Do you know the producer? Do you know what a producer does? Do you know why this picture never should've gotten taken? I think you doooooooo.

The leader designer is the guy in the green, far left, middle row. Patrice Desilets. He appears with her plenty of times in press shots.




I don't know the context of the picture, but "LOL" at the epic bullshit comment. I don't see where you get your sense of entitlement from. She has more qualifications than you to do what she does at least.

[schild]

I don't see where you get your sense of entitlement from.

Huh? You ever worked with a game producer on a well-funded title, Stray? Because I have. There's no entitlement here. And it was and still is, indeed, epic bullshit.

[Ixxit]

It might be important to mention that this photo was taken by European gaming magazine who were also responsible for the compostion and the arrangment of the people in the shot. NOT Ubisoft.  This info from someone who was in the actual picture.  

If you have ever gone to the grocery store and stared at magazine covers as you wait for your stuff to be rung up you notice that almost every one of them is graced by attractive faces.  Why is that?  Would it be to sell magazines?

It seems that the gaming press seems more interested in Jade Raymond than Assassin's Creed.  Go look at Lum's blog if you have any doubts.

If you watch  any of the video interviews she has done,  she obviously knows what she is doing,  is articulate  and projects an obvious enthusiasm for what she is doing.  Exactly the kind of person you want to be interviewed.   Oh, and she's not wearing a bikini or miniskirt either.  But she's  still being whored out right??

[schild]

I don't care if she's a fucking linguist. Had she been ugly, you would've only seen the odd candid *con video interview of her and no one would have cared. Fact of the matter is she became more popular than the game because she was hot enough to want to melt caramel over and lick for hours on end. That's just how it goes. And she continued being the public fact AFTER the E3 2 years ago also. And the only reason the euro mag even used that setup is because UBISoft had already made her the face of Assassin's Creed. That image however was just gratuitous. I compared it to No Doubt's Don't Speak video on another site. I still think that's accurate.

If you have ever gone to the grocery store and stared at magazine covers as you wait for your stuff to be rung up you notice that almost every one of them is graced by attractive faces.  Why is that?  Would it be to sell magazines?

Wake me up when those magazines are selling something other than beauty or gossip. UBIsoft was trying to sell a game. Not makeup tips from porn stars and cooking tips from a New & Thinner Rachel Ray.

[stray]

She does a good job at selling that game too, just by talking. But it doesn't hurt to take advantage of other angles too, if one can. There is no point is not taking advantage of something that is obviously there.

[schild]

Call me crazy, but I want people who actually worked on the game talking about THEIR game and not the person who made sure the right build was on the FTP dump and the artists had the right assets in the right folders. Look, I'm all for good producers and I'm friends with a good number of them. They're very good at their job. But I've never known a single one of them to take any undue credit. You have to be SOMEWHAT humble to be a producer. But it doesn't even matter. She used her hotness to become the most important person on that team in the eye of the public. That's epic failure if ever I've seen a case.

Edit: Note: Most producers do more than that, but on single player games, not so much. At least not American ones. Japanese ones, I've heard - though I have no experience, are fierce people.

[stray]

I haven't seen her take any undue credit -- unless you think the fact that she simply exists is taking undue credit. To that I say, Cry more noob. Otherwise, she defers to and pimps out Patrice's name more times than I can count.

[Ixxit]

She used her hotness to become the most important person on that team in the eye of the public. That's epic failure if ever I've seen a case.

So what you are saying is that it is her fault all this happened? That's wrong on so many levels.  If she is the most important person in the eye of the public, that's purely the  media's fault and those members of the public that can't handle seeing the faint outline of a breast in professional casual dress.

[schild]

Can either of you ever name a producer besides Warren Spector or Shigeru Miyamoto that was put in the open as much as her?

Eeccccckckkkkkkkk, it disgusts me to even name those 2 people in the same thread as the producer of AC.

[Big Gulp]

So what you are saying is that it is her fault all this happened? That's wrong on so many levels.  If she is the most important person in the eye of the public, that's purely the  media's fault and those members of the public that can't handle seeing the faint outline of a breast in professional casual dress.

Bullshit.  I assume she can rub two brain cells together to figure out what she was being used for.  When every promotional showcase (E3, X06, etc) features her showcasing the game on stage instead of the lead designer, she should be able to figure out, "Hey, am I being thrown forward for this because I'm good looking?"

Ubisoft knew it, and she damned well should have known it (after all, you guys are all harping on about how competent and well spoken she is).  So since she knew that she was being used in this capacity, she's complicit in it.  Sorry, not much sympathy for poor 'ol Jade here.  Once you start actively promoting your own sex appeal to sell your game you can't then get pissed that you're viewed as a sex object.  It's the difference between being a victim and being a high class frag doll.

[Xanthippe]

Wow, it's like 1965 all over again.

When is the games industry going to grow up and join the rest of the adult world - the one where women, even attractive women, have jobs and talk to the public without being called whores?

[Engels]

Is it that odd to have a game's producer present a video game at a conference, or trade show or whatever? Schild makes it sound like its such an odd move, the only possible reason for it would be her appearance.

[Big Gulp]

the one where women, even attractive women, have jobs and talk to the public without being called whores?

Spare me the Susan B. Anthony, Seneca Falls bullshit.  She was a producer of Assassin's Creed.  And yet she was being promoted just as much as the game was, and while in a position that doesn't usually call for that level of public exposure.

Like it or not, she was promotional material for the game.  You can blame Ubisoft alone for that, but more likely I think both parties were involved in that decision.  At the point where you're using your sex appeal to promote a product you lose all credibility with the "I'm just a poor producer who was never given a chance by the misogynist gaming world" argument.

[schild]

When is the games industry going to grow up and join the rest of the adult world - the one where women, even attractive women, have jobs and talk to the public without being called whores?

When games stop being a hobby for nerdy guys? We're getting there. But this industry doesn't like change. It's not like we're telling them they should be in the cafeteria cooking us lunch after a long day in the mines programming code.

So, really, it's nothing like 1965. It's merely an aspect of the industry. Women are few and far between. And your average attractive chick thinks games are for dipshit geeky shut-ins.

As such, why don't you tell me when attractive/hot chicks stop treating your average gamer like an untouchable? Remember, f13 is the exception to the norm in terms of gamers with social graces (of any sort).

Is it that odd to have a game's producer present a video game at a conference, or trade show or whatever? Schild makes it sound like its such an odd move, the only possible reason for it would be her appearance.

Conference, no. But she became a phenomenon by merely showing up in video from closed doors presentations at E3 06 and then again in Game Informer. It IS odd for a producer to be this front and center through the development of a game though.

[Valmorian]

Spare me the Susan B. Anthony, Seneca Falls bullshit.  She was a producer of Assassin's Creed.  And yet she was being promoted just as much as the game was, and while in a position that doesn't usually call for that level of public exposure.

Like it or not, she was promotional material for the game.  You can blame Ubisoft alone for that, but more likely I think both parties were involved in that decision.  At the point where you're using your sex appeal to promote a product you lose all credibility with the "I'm just a poor producer who was never given a chance by the misogynist gaming world" argument.

Clearly this means she's a whore, right?

[Cory Jacobs]

Spare me the Susan B. Anthony, Seneca Falls bullshit.  She was a producer of Assassin's Creed.  And yet she was being promoted just as much as the game was, and while in a position that doesn't usually call for that level of public exposure.

Like it or not, she was promotional material for the game.  You can blame Ubisoft alone for that, but more likely I think both parties were involved in that decision.  At the point where you're using your sex appeal to promote a product you lose all credibility with the "I'm just a poor producer who was never given a chance by the misogynist gaming world" argument.

Clearly this means she's a whore, right?

Or that clearly she needs an uppercut to her uterus.

[SnakeCharmer]

This thread is all kinds of funny.

[Big Gulp]

Clearly this means she's a whore, right?

It means you don't get to compare yourself to other producers who are actually, y'know, selling their game, rather than themselves.  It means your status as a "victim" can be called into question when you were instrumental in putting your attractiveness front and center in the game's marketing.

And again, you can't tell me that she didn't have some inkling that this is exactly what was happening.  Sorry cousin, but this isn't entirely the media's fault.

[SnakeCharmer]

Can either of you ever name a producer besides Warren Spector or Shigeru Miyamoto that was put in the open as much as her?

How many of these producers (male or female) are a viable spokesperson for their game/company?  How many of them would or could promote a game?  How many of them would give PR seizures at the thought of them being on the public stage?

It's goddamn sad she can't win with anybody.

It means you don't get to compare yourself to other producers who are actually, y'know, selling their game, rather than themselves

Where, or how, exactly is she selling herself out?

Every interview I've seen with her it's all about Assassin's Creed or like Stray said, dropping Patrice Desilets' name every 5 seconds. 

The only people making a big deal of her are the chicken littles that can't handle an attractive woman being in a position of power.  Would it be different if her ass was the size of my four wheeler?  Yeah, it would, noone would give a damn.

[Litigator]

Can either of you ever name a producer besides Warren Spector or Shigeru Miyamoto that was put in the open as much as her?

Eeccccckckkkkkkkk, it disgusts me to even name those 2 people in the same thread as the producer of AC.

You refuse to play everything Miyamoto has made since like 1994.

[stray]

Can either of you ever name a producer besides Warren Spector or Shigeru Miyamoto that was put in the open as much as her?

How many of these producers (male or female) are a viable spokesperson for their game/company?  How many of them would or could promote a game?  How many of them would give PR seizures at the thought of them being on the public stage?

It's goddamn sad she can't win with anybody.

Producer isn't a very well defined role, so it's hard to say. Some are just involved with hiring and workspace logistics, others take a more active role in overseeing the whole process (which is what Jade does, like it or not).

[Valmorian]

And again, you can't tell me that she didn't have some inkling that this is exactly what was happening.  Sorry cousin, but this isn't entirely the media's fault.

I don't know about you, but when I've been involved in photoshoots by professionals (and mind you, that's not all that often) I do what they tell me to.  And when an organization is getting shot for a magazine article, the attractive people get put in front.  Happens even in MY industry, which certainly doesn't have anything to do with sex appeal. :P

[schild]

It's goddamn sad she can't win with anybody.

She won with me. She's super fucking hot. I bet I could kick her ass at any game ever made though, including ones I haven't played.

You refuse to play everything Miyamoto has made since like 1994.

Does that negate the great work he did back then?

Producer isn't a very well defined role, so it's hard to say.

Actually, it's pretty well-defined. The laziness of a bad producer doesn't change the roll. It just changes the quality of the producer.

[Ixxit]

Clearly this means she's a whore, right?

It means you don't get to compare yourself to other producers who are actually, y'know, selling their game, rather than themselves.  It means your status as a "victim" can be called into question when you were instrumental in putting your attractiveness front and center in the game's marketing.

And again, you can't tell me that she didn't have some inkling that this is exactly what was happening.  Sorry cousin, but this isn't entirely the media's fault.

Yeah you're right.  I must have missed all those interviews  where she sat there, licked her lips and sucked on a banana because for a moment there I could have sworn that all she was doing was talking professionally and enthusiastically about the game's develpment, and giving credit where credit was due.

[Cory Jacobs]

She won with me. She's super fucking hot. I bet I could kick her ass at any game ever made though, including ones I haven't played. 

I bet she could beat you at Mario Galaxy    I bet she's a real scamp at some galaxy action ...

[Ookii]

Clearly this means she's a whore, right?

It means you don't get to compare yourself to other producers who are actually, y'know, selling their game, rather than themselves.  It means your status as a "victim" can be called into question when you were instrumental in putting your attractiveness front and center in the game's marketing.

And again, you can't tell me that she didn't have some inkling that this is exactly what was happening.  Sorry cousin, but this isn't entirely the media's fault.

Yeah you're right.  I must have missed all those interviews  where she sat there, licked her lips and sucked on a banana because for a moment there I could have sworn that all she was doing was talking professionally and enthusiastically about the game's develpment, and giving credit where credit was due.

She's a hot girl talking about something that geeks like, they hire these girls all the time to work at trade shows, E3, etc., it just happens she permanently employed by the company she is promoting.  Seems nothing more like a figurehead to me.

[stray]

Boothbabes, figureheads, and game marketers don't have CS degrees and spend their previous years out of the limelight writing code for shitty SOE/EA games... Simply so they could emerge one day to "talk to geeks".

[Special J]

She's a hot girl talking about something that geeks like, they hire these girls all the time to work at trade shows, E3, etc., it just happens she permanently employed by the company she is promoting.  Seems nothing more like a figurehead to me.

You see, this is the type of crap that some women have to deal with.  The fact that their appearance for some reason is tied to the qualifications or job performance.  Without any evidence the contrary, you dismissed her qualifications or contributions.

Did Ubi used an attractive and charismatic person to promote their product? They sure did. There's a revolutionary idea.

[Ookii]

Boothbabes, figureheads, and game marketers don't have CS degrees and spend their previous years out of the limelight writing code for shitty SOE/EA games... Simply so they could emerge one day to "talk to geeks".

She probably wasn't hot back then.

[Hoax]

For real though, this thread is funny so don't stop and read what I'm going to say here but...

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Some sad sorry unfunny loser wrote a bad comic making fun of a hawt woman who works in the game industry.

Does it really matter if she:
a) is a whore
b) was whored out by magazines
c) was the centerpiece of ubi's marketing campaign
d) makes ugly girls not want to join the game industry
e) is a pioneer for women's rights


Do me a favor here (all guys should really enjoy this) google the name: Allison Stokke.

Then continue with YOUR ABSOLUTELY BULLSHITASTIC posts about how this type of response to OMG hawt chick where I didn't expect 1!! Is a game industry only phenomena let alone something worth being butthurt about.

I would fucking rumble though, she is a bombshell if she sounds like a smart girl too?  All the better.  I'm not going to go seek out fucking interviews about some console game though.

I know it is supposed to have a PC launch at some point, I still dont care.

[schild]

Do me a favor here (all guys should really enjoy this) google the name: Allison Stokke.

Don't need to. Hot pole vaulter. Just awesome in every way.

[stray]

Allison Stokke is my ex boss' doppleganger. Needless to say, but I had to leave that job.

[Ookii]

Good call sir.

[Hoax]

Iknorite?

She is made of win and candy