Koyasha
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Some MMOG's no longer feel like the same game, but I don't think any have done a revamp sort of thing where everything feels drastically different through and through. Then again, most MMOG's don't feel drastically different from each other, and the same sort of things that differentiate them from each other are the sorts of things that can change over time. EQ circa 1999, EQ around 2005 and EQ today seem as different from one another as say, WoW and Warhammer, on the surface. Which is to say, not really much at all, except for the specific classes and mechanics, all of which tend to change over time within the same game.
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Trippy
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As to COx specifically, a few grognards will claim CO "sucks" and stay forever- but between CO and DCUO later, COx isn't going to be growing anytime soon.
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UnSub
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CoH/V is on a slow roll downhill. Perhaps Going Rogue can pull back some players, but pending the greatest game expansion ever I can't see CoH/V growing again in the long term. The only thing that has kept CoH/V revenue rolling in at high levels for the player base size has been those booster packs.
The player-content / Mission Architect system has turned into a massive powerleveling and farming warehouse and I16's proposed ability to let players customise their mission difficulty even further is just going to compound this. I14 and I15 were mishandled.
At some point NCsoft is going to cut the major development cord of CoH/V. If GR doesn't do well, I'm guessing it will be then. At that point either Paragon Studios is going to trot out its next MMO title (to justify a continued budget and so that it doesn't have all of its eggs in one basket) or their will be a bunch of superhero MMO devs looking for work. Either way I'm sure I'll find the CoH/V forums more entertaining then they currently are.
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Lantyssa
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Has any game reallly done a real refresh? Something that really made it feel like a new game?
EQ2, no? Maybe it's not drastic enough, since it still probably felt like EQ2.5. But the base was fine, it was the systems which needed an overhaul. |
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Numtini
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If you were to compare it launch and now, I'd go for EQ2, but it's been a gradual change. And it still feels to me like EQ2.
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HaemishM
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The player-content / Mission Architect system has turned into a massive powerleveling and farming warehouse That should not surprise ANYONE who has watched MMOG's for any length of time. |
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Morfiend
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Has any game reallly done a real refresh? Something that really made it feel like a new game?
EQ2, no? Maybe it's not drastic enough, since it still probably felt like EQ2.5. But the base was fine, it was the systems which needed an overhaul. I would say that AoC's new stat and item revamp is pretty close. |
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Lantyssa
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Nah, AoC didn't 'feel' different at all. Slightly more intelligible, but nothing felt different upon my return.
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Shatter
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I would consider SWG's NGE change as the closest but not in a good way. They overhauled combat, HAM bars, gear, professions went from 31 down to like 8 or 10, removed the Jedi unlock system and made it a starting profession, etc. About as close to an overhaul as you get and in turn everyone left lol
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Severian
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I didn't experience it firsthand, but my undersstanding is that Anarchy Online's Shadowlands expansion played quite differently from the game which everyone had been playing up to that point. We also have DDO going freemium (or whatever) to incorporate some drastic changes to how content is accessed, although it doesn't sound like it will change the day-to-day gameplay.
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Triforcer
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Rebirth looks like it could be OP in team pvp situations, but other than that I like the set.
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Typhon
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Me too, darnit. Now I have to decide between that and electricity. If the lightening animations are done well, the juice will win. ... ah, who the hell am I kidding, I'll have 10 alts within the first two weeks.
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kaid
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I saw some of the lightning powers at a convention demonstration and what I saw looked pretty sexy. You could also change the color of the lightning and one guy was sporting some weird green lightning that actually looked very cool in use.
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bhodi
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Cryptic Studios has announced the open beta and head start schedule for Champions Online.
* August 16th: closed beta servers wiped.
* August 17th: open beta begins, servers taken down nightly from 1am-3am PDT.
* August 24th: servers shut down at 10am PDT and wiped for early start.
* August 28th: early start begins, allowing GameStop and Best Buy pre-orders to play before the Sept. 1st launch.
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Lantyssa
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I wish they'd announce the NDA drop.
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Malakili
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I wish they'd announce the NDA drop.
I can't imagine they would try to keep it going past the open beta beginning, but no way to know until they say, really. |
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Sky
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I wish they'd announce the NDA drop.
Or let us in the beta! Is "open beta" the lame "fileplanet subscribers and pre-orders" definition of open? Because that shit needs to go away. |
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Malakili
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I wish they'd announce the NDA drop.
Or let us in the beta! Is "open beta" the lame "fileplanet subscribers and pre-orders" definition of open? Because that shit needs to go away. As far as I know, yes. |
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Morfiend
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7 days of Open Beta is  They really need to call it what it is "pre-release hype week". |
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tazelbain
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Funny to watch history repeat itself.
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Murgos
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At least from the preview material I've seen ChampO still looks like a stronger game than DCUO but I gave up trying to reliably predict MMO quality from their preview material a LONG time ago.
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ezrast
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Is "open beta" the lame "fileplanet subscribers and pre-orders" definition of open? Because that shit needs to go away.
It's ambiguous, but to me the wording all seems to indicate that anyone can try to get a key, subscribers and pre-orders just get to get theirs early. |
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Hawkbit
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Funny to watch history repeat itself.
It's not, really. |
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Triforcer
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For those thinking of preordering, GO GAMESTOP. You know that "anti-graviton flight generator" you get with the gamestop preorder? Its in ADDITION to your other two travel powers. No timer, charge count, or cooldown. It's just doesn't perform on the same level as flight, so if you want real flight and real something else during the late game you will still need to take both.
Still handy for non-flyers until the second travel power shows up. This is a dev quote from http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=93385&page=100So, if you want every single one of your characters to be able to fly, regardless of their other two powers- Gamestop. I am a bit surprised that this item works this way (I assumed it was just to get flight four levels early, or get flight with a different skin). Its frankly 100x greater than all other preorder rewards put together. |
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Hawkbit
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You know, I never get tired of watching stupid people do stupid things on youtube. How is this any different? Too much at steak?
It's not. I'm just being a downer because all the new MMOs are bringing nothing new to the table. After the last 18 months of AoC, WAR and Aion (yeah, it's not even out yet) I'm simply tired of watching the 'next big thing' crash and burn. I'm looking for something new and nothing on the horizon is offering it. Ultimately what's happening is that I was a big MMO player and I've grown out of them. I believe this is the acceptance portion of the process of grief, maybe I can move on now. |
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Goreschach
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I'd just like an MMO that plays like a fucking game.
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Kageru
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That schedule looks fairly carefully designed to keep both beta and "pre-release hype week" testers from getting too close to the end-game content.
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ezrast
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What end-game content?
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Triforcer
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It has announced more endgame content than most MMOs. Didn't WoW just have molten core as its single raid instance at launch?
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Malakili
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It has announced more endgame content than most MMOs. Didn't WoW just have molten core as its single raid instance at launch?
Pfft, you could raid Strat, Scholo and BRS at launch too. |
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Pagz
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It has announced more endgame content than most MMOs. Didn't WoW just have molten core as its single raid instance at launch?
I'm pretty sure people said the same thing about WAR. One year later ! |
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Malakili
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It has announced more endgame content than most MMOs. Didn't WoW just have molten core as its single raid instance at launch?
I'm pretty sure people said the same thing about WAR. One year later ! As long as the game is actually fun to play, I don't mind repeating end game content for a while. I'd be much more concerned about having a good enough launch so that it MATTERS if you have enough end game content. |
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fuser
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Posted by StormShade
Champions Online has gone gold, baby! The press release has hit the streets today, and Open Beta is set to begin on Monday, August 17! Champions Online will be available for purchase on September 1st, 2009, and we can't wait for you all to come in and join us for a truly heroic good time!
Any news on the NDA? |
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Trippy
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I don't know. They kicked me out of the Beta for some reason |
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