Resident Evil 5 - The Thread.

[schild]

Sup guys. Black at Heart. White in Concept Art. Word up.



Check yourself before you wreck yourself, niggaz.

[Margalis]

Maybe he's an albino.

[UnSub]

As a person who didn't play GTA:SA for that reason I make of it that I didn't relate to the character (or the hiphop culture) in the game so didn't bother. It's the same reason my MMO characters are never female, etc. I think maybe you're trying to make some comment here where for most people it's not deserved?

I was thinking of reviews from players that went "GTA SA is grate by y I hav 2 b a nigga?". I saw enough of that sentiment to call it a trend among certain sections of the game play.

[UnSub]

Obviously, he'll be played by Samuel L. Jackson in the movie.

Actually, it'll be Lawrence Fishburne. We white folks can accept him in comedic roles, but he otherwise scares us. Larry has a nice soothing voice and we are used to see him saving white folk in the Matrix.

[Kitsune]

I like black people.  I despise the shit that passes for popular black culture in the US.  I doubly despise people who think that the latter statement is mutually exclusive from the former.  Inquiries may be directed to the Martin Luther King episode of Boondocks.

[Riggswolfe]

I like black people.  I despise the shit that passes for popular black culture in the US.  I doubly despise people who think that the latter statement is mutually exclusive from the former.  Inquiries may be directed to the Martin Luther King episode of Boondocks.

You know, this is pretty much exactly how I feel. Perhaps it's why I get along so well with the black people at work. (in fact, in our lunch group that plays dominoes I'm the only white person. Heh.) They're from the previous generation which is all about jazz and James Brown and such...

So I guess to be precise I should say "young" black culture, the hip hop culture.

[Sky]

[Triforcer]

I recall that the Spaniards actually did have a bit of a problem and Capcom pointed out that nowhere in RE4 did they ever mention specifically they were in Spain.  But where else would they be?

This is true of the original Gamecube version.  However, in the PS2/Wii Separate Ways set of chapters (where you play as Ada and do stuff like ring the church bell) her opening movie shows a helicopter computer screen with a blinking target on Spain.

As to the larger issue- there is a reason Nazis and Soviets get so much screen time in movies and games.  I don't know who the video game world would have had us fight without them.  I'm betting better than even odds the black zombie thing gets changed. 

[Yegolev]

I'm betting better than even odds the black zombie thing gets changed. 

Should be pretty easy.  As we have learned from Gordon Freeman, the deciding apsect is a particular skin tone, so it should be pretty easy to just retint the textures of the zombies such that it looks like you are actually in Arizona.

I think Sam Jackson would be a fine choice to play Gordon.  "VORTIGAUNTS, MOTHERFUCKER!" and "My crowbar is the one that says BAD MOTHEFUCKER on it," would be choice lines.

[Riggswolfe]

I'm betting better than even odds the black zombie thing gets changed. 

Should be pretty easy.  As we have learned from Gordon Freeman, the deciding apsect is a particular skin tone, so it should be pretty easy to just retint the textures of the zombies such that it looks like you are actually in Arizona.

I think Sam Jackson would be a fine choice to play Gordon.  "VORTIGAUNTS, MOTHERFUCKER!" and "My crowbar is the one that says BAD MOTHEFUCKER on it," would be choice lines.

You know, on this Gordon Freeman thing, I'm not sure where the joke is coming from. If anything, to me, he looks Jewish.

[Yegolev]

The joke is basically in assigning cultural identities and motivations to people based solely on simple visual indicators, which goes back to the RE5 stink.  There is also the cultural component to consider when pigeonholing another human, such as who they play what game with and what music and food they like.  Discussing jazz while playing dominoes is definitely seen in certain American cultures that are generally populated by people of recent African descent, for example; in other words, that's a black thing to do.

Basically when I say Gordon Freeman is black, the only counter I can think of woud be that his skin is too pale.  Likewise if I tell people I'm not white/caucasian/cracker or mark "Other" in the ethnic section of a form, that's about the only thing I can imagine people using to argue with me.  "Ya look white ta me, Simon Legree!"

I am not picking on you, if it seems that way.  I find the whole idea of categorizing people to be either overdone or underdone, and the human mind fascinates me.  I like to find out how people arrive at the opinions they have formed.

[Fabricated]

http://www.blacklooks.org/2007/07/resident_evil_5.html

lawl

[schild]

Start them young… fearing, hating, and destroying Black people.

So, I suppose, Warn the Japanese that black people are coming?

[Margalis]

A key point here is that Spaniards have never really been portrayed as spear-chucking savages in our culture. This is a good example of exactly equal treatment in one way not really being equal in another.

Gibbering black people throwing sickles at people does hit a bit closer to how we've traditionally viewed black people in the past. Taken out of the context of the RE games it does look kind of odd, but in the context of the series it's no big deal.

[schild]

Once again, not made by Americans, and as far as I can tell, the Japanese never owned slaves. To them, those "black people" - since we don't know if it IS Africa - are just another one of the peoples of Earth. Any Black person that takes offense to Resident Evil 5 is a retard.

[Margalis]

What does owning slaves have to do with anything? The Japanese have their own fairly racist attitudes about black people.

[schild]

Yea, and I bet the black people at black looks know a whole lot about the Japanese. I'm 170% sure that all Blacklooks saw was a white guy killing zombies black people.

[Margalis]

I'm 170% sure that all Blacklooks saw was a white guy killing zombies black people.

Well I agree with that. Again, I think their concerns only make any sense if they are ignorant about the nature of the RE series. In a total vacuum a game where a white guy fights a bunch of almost literally spear-chucking black savages does look a bit odd. Of course ignorance is no excuse and RE5 doesn't bother me at all; I'm just saying I understand where the concerns are coming from.

[Kitsune]

The videogame industry has no shortage of incidents over the years of jackasses taking games far out of context and declaring them the evilest thing since Hitler.  When you have people saying with straight faces that Wolfenstein 3D trains children to murder, this is really mild in the grand scheme of things.

[Triforcer]

On the point about the Japanese- if this design doc w/black zombies had come up first in a boardroom in the US somewhere, the PR concern would've followed about three nanoseconds later.  In Japan, I'm fairly certain the motivation wasn't "lets screw over black people because we hate them"- I'm betting the issue literally didn't cross any of their minds.  Political correctness has absolutely no hold on them whatsoever, given the 99% Japanese racial rate in Japan.  But not being aware of political correctness is not the same thing as being racist. 

My bet, again, is compromising by making the zombies Middle Eastern.  They don't have a large or politically effective enough lobby to complain!

EDIT: And lest we forget, RE4 had black ganados (JJ).  And I want to say that in RE2, there was a policeman who was a black zombie as well (cut scene zombie, I believe).

[schild]

They don't have a large or politically effective enough lobby to complain!

Neither do black people, but the white man is a big pussy.

[Fabricated]

Even if there is no racist intent behind it (which I'm 100% sure there isn't), the images are pretty racially suggestive considering it's Chris (who is so fucking white in RE5 all he needs is a hood) shooting savage looking black people. Of course, honestly taking offense to it is pretty stupid.

P.S. The Japanese are pretty racist on average. Especially against Koreans.

[Margalis]

But not being aware of political correctness is not the same thing as being racist.

That's true. Of course that has nothing to do with Japan, which is fairly racist (and xenophobic) society.

[schild]

Too bad they're not black people.

They're a nation of whatever people that happen to be ZOMBIES.

Zombies have no race. And the people complaining about it are just retarded. As in, their brain is broken.

That's what really matters, right, that there's actual discussion going on about something that's super dumb.

[Azazel]

Even if there is no racist intent behind it (which I'm 100% sure there isn't), the images are pretty racially suggestive considering it's Chris (who is so fucking white in RE5 all he needs is a hood)

What the fuck you talkin' 'bout, Willis?




Semi-related:

I finished RE1, but never finished RE2, or started RE3, or RE4.

Worth going back and playing them now? If so, which ones?

[schild]

Just play RE4.

It's just one of those games where, if you don't like it, you're wrong.

[Fabricated]

Too bad they're not black people.

They're a nation of whatever people that happen to be ZOMBIES.

Zombies have no race. And the people complaining about it are just retarded. As in, their brain is broken.

That's what really matters, right, that there's actual discussion going on about something that's super dumb.

I SAW THIS SOUTH PARK EPISODE THAT EXPLAINS THIS YOU SEE

YOU SEE, THE KIDS GOT CHARGED WITH CHANGING THE SOUTH PARK FLAG RIGHT, WHICH WAS A PICTURE OF 4 WHITE GUYS LYNCHING A BLACK GUY AND THEY EVENTUALLY CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF MAKING THE REST OF THE PEOPLE DOING THE LYNCHING DIFFERENT RACES

BECAUSE YOU SEE THEY DIDN'T NOTICE THE RACIAL CONNOTATION WITH THE HANGING AND JUST SAW THAT NOT EVERYONE WAS REPRESENTED

If you don't think that the imagery is at least racially suggestive (regardless of the fact there was no racist intent behind it), you're basically just plugging your ears and screaming since for some reason you think recognizing that will bring out the censorship squad.

[Ironwood]

Just play RE4.

It's just one of those games where, if you don't like it, you're wrong.

Unless you got the PC version, in which case YOU DON'T READ TOO GOOD, DO YOU ?

Oh, as for the race thing :  It sounds bad to me unless the game is actually based in Africa or something.  If not and they're ALL black, that's sending the wrong message.

And whatnot.

[Triforcer]

Semi-related:

I finished RE1, but never finished RE2, or started RE3, or RE4.

Worth going back and playing them now? If so, which ones?

REE4 is zombie Jesus.  RE2 is ok, never played RE3, and RE0 is pure shit.  Get RE4 pronto (NOT on the PC, as Ironwood said).   

[Margalis]

2 and 3 are both decent, they are a little more action oriented than 1, but you aren't missing too much by not playing them. I do like the storyline to 2 a lot.

Zero was just kind of boring. I don't know if it was really bad as much as that the series had gotten stale.

[Velorath]

I finished RE1, but never finished RE2, or started RE3, or RE4.

Worth going back and playing them now? If so, which ones?

I love RE2, but you aren't going to see the full game unless you play through it with both characters.  RE3 is completely skippable.  Enough has been said about RE4 here that I don't really need to say anything.  Code Veronica was pretty good as well if you haven't played it.  If you're into the storyline running through the RE games it's especially worth playing.  If you have a GC I'd recommend the RE1 remake, but not so much RE0.

[Teleku]

I played 1, 2, and 3 back in the day.  I loved them (#2 was really good), so I would recommend at least playing the first 2 since they are fun and you will get alot of the story.  Number 3 doesnt really add anything new, except for showing how some of the other characters got out of the city and how the situation in Racoon city was finally delt with.

I loved the franchise, but never got around to playing any of the other games.  Hopefully I can try RE4, since everybody raves about that, but how was Veronica and Zero?  I really dont care about Zero, but might try it if it has anything to add to the story before RE4.

[Raging Turtle]

I just want actual zombies again and not stupid brain parasites. 

[schild]

I just want actual zombies again and not stupid brain parasites. 

This one looks drug induced. Maybe Jenkem. lawls africa

[Velorath]

I loved the franchise, but never got around to playing any of the other games.  Hopefully I can try RE4, since everybody raves about that, but how was Veronica and Zero?  I really dont care about Zero, but might try it if it has anything to add to the story before RE4.

Zero doesn't add anything to the story, and it makes Rebecca's timid behavoir in RE1 seem really odd.  Code Veronica had a decent story though, giving more background on Umbrella and bringing back Wesker.  Gameplay-wise they pretty much play like all the other games in the series.