Sony cutting jobs

[schild]

X360 doesn't have RPG's (Yet, coming soon hopefully) and doesn't have platformers.

That's enough reason to get a PS3 and/or a WII right there.

This post doesn't make sense to me.

[Rasix]

I'm confused. 

[Oban]

What is The Elder Scrolls IV considered then?

[Yegolev]

I believe he wants to know where the RPGs and platformers are for Wii.  Please don't suggest Paper Mario unless you have played it.  It's a half-ass that is made up of two dissimilar quarter-asses.  Naturally, the saving grace for PS3 today is that is is a wonderful PS2 emulator.  October, Ratchet & Clank and Home, probably some other shit too.  I'm on a buying freeze until October.

EDIT: TESIV is considered the only RPG for 360.  I guess you like Oblivion a lot if you consider it better than all the RPGs that will be arriving on PS3 put together.  Morrowind didn't save the Xbox from "it don't got no RPGs" being tossed at it.

[schild]

TESIV is not the only RPG for the 360.

Enchanted Arms, while Mediocre, was a reasonable display of graphics in terms of JRPG standards. And had some really really REALLY nice summons.

Now as for platformers and RPGs. The PS3 and 360 will have them in spades LONG before the Wii. You have to remember, Nintendo is practically forcing the Wiimote down the industry's collective throat right now - much like SCEA did with 3d during the PS1 and 2 era. The Remote/Chuck combo doesn't translate favorably to twitchy exact shit like a regular controller does - so good platformers are largely out. As for RPGs. Comeon. The Wii's graphics suck my dick. It's a waste of effort.

After seeing the Gun Con for the PS3 and playing Folk's Soul, it's occurred to me that the Wiimote would be a HELLA LOT more fun if the console output hi-def. Probably would have been the most expensive controller ever, but the precision would have been AWESOME. Right now it's nothing more than an idea that somehow took form.

[Oban]

Thought we were talking about the present time, but I will see your future and raise you a Fable 2 and Lost Odyssey.

Not that I care, I am in the process of boxing up my 360 so I can trade it in for a DS and the ability to investigate the skirts of young women.

[Rasix]

I'm praying Blue Dragon doesn't suck. If someone's going to reply with a gripe about the art style "lol-keke-doe-eyed-anime"; save it.  If I can like this shit without liking anime (well, I just don't have an informed view of it, I've seen like 3 movies), so can you.

[Murgos]

TESIV is not the only RPG for the 360.

Enchanted Arms, while Mediocre, was a reasonable display of graphics in terms of JRPG standards. And had some really really REALLY nice summons.

Great.  It's got two RPG's and no platformers.  MUCH BETTAH!

[Rasix]

Yah, but.. where's the plethora of that for the Wii or PS3?  Help me understand your logic.  Please? I'm having a bad day. 

[Velorath]

TESIV is not the only RPG for the 360.

Enchanted Arms, while Mediocre, was a reasonable display of graphics in terms of JRPG standards. And had some really really REALLY nice summons.

Great.  It's got two RPG's and no platformers.  MUCH BETTAH!

So we should buy a PS3 which has... the same two RPG's as the 360 and fewer RPG's on the way this year?

[Murgos]

They have the HUEG libraries from their predecessors.  This is a particularly attractive proposition for the PS3 due to the upscaling.  It's also fairly attractive for the Wii because it's, you know, cheap.

[Velorath]

They have the HUEG libraries from their predecessors.  This is a particularly attractive proposition for the PS3 due to the upscaling.  It's also fairly attractive for the Wii because it's, you know, cheap.

So you're in essence changing your argument from "buy a PS3 and Wii for platformers and RPG's", to "buy a PS3 for upscaling and a Wii because it's cheap"?

[Murgos]

Um, no?  They have loads of RPG's and platformers because because they play their predecessors games AND they have benefits (Upscaling or Cheap).

Not a difficult concept.

[Yegolev]

I wrote a long post but I don't care anymore, Murgos can run with it.  I will just agree that there aren't any niche-filling PS3 games today, but I will mention that I have more fantastic games that play -- and play fucking well -- on my PS3 than on the other two consoles.  If the 360 takes up the slack in the PS3's absence, great, whatever, but I just don't see it happening.  River King on 360?  Rule of Rose?  Shin Megami Tensei?  Okami?  Bushido Blade?  Any KOEI game?  Perhaps, but I'm skeptical.  Those games will be on the 360 before they are on the Wii.

I will predict, though, that if PS3 sales don't pick up in Japan then we will certainly have cats and dogs living together.

[schild]

I'm still burnt that the Wii didn't have a built in GBA player. Means I can't get rid of my damn cube yet.

Yeg, KOEI loves the 360. Gundam was a one-off. Atlus is probably going to support the 360 eventually. It's pretty much inevitable. Wait, were you saying that? I don't even get your post. Lol.

[Velorath]

Um, no?  They have loads of RPG's and platformers because because they play their predecessors games AND they have benefits (Upscaling or Cheap).

Not a difficult concept.

Yeah, let me just write Sony that $600 check so I can play through the RPGs and platformers I already have again, but upscaled this time.  Look, there's no shame in just admiting it when you post some stupid shit without thinking.  It happens to the best of us.

[HaemishM]

You have to remember, Nintendo is practically forcing the Wiimote down the industry's collective throat right now

No, that would be the fact that the Wii is selling 2x to 3x more consoles than the "next-gen" platforms.

As for RPGs. Comeon. The Wii's graphics suck my dick. It's a waste of effort.

So the primary measure for RPG quality is graphical? Whuuu?

[schild]

What's the difference? You just paid $250 to play Gamecube games again. At least I can play PS3 and Blu-Ray games with my PS3. I'm really not understanding your argument. I'm not trying to be a dick, but you and I both know that every Wii title that's been released has simply been a port from the cube. And it's going to stay that way through Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 - both originally Cube titles.

So the primary measure for RPG quality is graphical? Whuuu?

Yes, that's what I said. Don't be a donk.

[Velorath]

At least I can play PS3 and Blu-Ray games with my PS3.

Don't forget all those cool movie trailers you can download off of PSN.

[schild]

At least I can play PS3 and Blu-Ray games with my PS3.

Don't forget all those cool movie trailers you can download off of PSN.

Hey, you can knock that. But you know what you can't do with a Wii? Download movie trailers. Among 400 other things. But ya know what, you can swing a fucking racket. Immersion. My little character made of 2 testicles really breathes life into my gaming.

Like I said, whichever system gets the best games will get my support. But the writing is on the fucking wall here. I expect Nintendo's hi-definition Wii-Release (lol pun) to be far superior and have a much more precise wiimote for gaming that is actually fun. Right now they've convinced the (cheap/poor/tight/whatever) public to be beta testers. Well played, Nintendo, well played.

[Velorath]

At least I can play PS3 and Blu-Ray games with my PS3.

Don't forget all those cool movie trailers you can download off of PSN.

Hey, you can knock that.

Thanks, but I already did.

[schild]

At least I can play PS3 and Blu-Ray games with my PS3.

Don't forget all those cool movie trailers you can download off of PSN.

Hey, you can knock that.

Thanks, but I already did.

[Murgos]

Um, no?  They have loads of RPG's and platformers because because they play their predecessors games AND they have benefits (Upscaling or Cheap).

Not a difficult concept.

Yeah, let me just write Sony that $600 check so I can play through the RPGs and platformers I already have again, but upscaled this time.  Look, there's no shame in just admiting it when you post some stupid shit without thinking.  It happens to the best of us.

Sorry to hear you're having financial issues.

I don't own a PS2 atm.  Why should I buy one when I can get a PS3 (again upscaling and also Blu-Ray which I forgot about earlier and hey, someday PS3 games)?  Because you got the hairs on your ass twisted up so that they pinch?  Nah.

[Velorath]

Sorry to hear you're having financial issues.

I don't own a PS2 atm.  Why should I buy one when I can get a PS3 (again upscaling and also Blu-Ray which I forgot about earlier and hey, someday PS3 games)?  Because you got the hairs on your ass twisted up so that they pinch?  Nah.

If someone doesn't own a PS2, I can't imagine why'd they have such a crushing need to play RPG's and Platfomers that they're:

a) Unable to wait a few months for the more than half dozen RPG's scheduled for release on the 360 this year.

and

b) Would rather pay $600 instead of $129 for the benefit of playing last-gen games upscaled.

Sorry that you feel that getting suckered into buying a PS3 for everything other than actually playing PS3 games is some sort of grand investment because "zomg, you can play last-gen games and they're slightly better looking!"

Doesn't make your statement about no RPGs and Platformers on the 360 making PS3 a must-purchase any less stupid.

Edit: Hence why you keep throwing other stuff into your argument, like playing PS2 games, upscaling, and now you're even throwing Blu-ray in there.  You're trying to turn it into a pro/anti-PS3 argument.

[Big Gulp]

I think in the short term Nintendo is sort of painting themselves into a corner.  They're concentrating on casual gaming to the exclusion of all else (witness mini-game hell), but by their very nature casual gamers are fickle and will eventually abandon you.  It happened with the 2 big video game crashes and it'll happen again.  A novelty can only ride a wave for just so long, and Nintendo will still be stuck with the "not a serious console" moniker when it does crash.

Meanwhile, we've got studios and producers devoting themselves to braindead "see how fast you can wiggle your remote!" games because they're A)cheap to produce, and B) can temporarily rake in cash from the unwashed.  This is the equivalent of reality TV in the video game sphere.  Right now it's great, but it will end badly.

[Margalis]

I assume that the glut of minigames will force some publishers to try something else. Also minigames are fast to make, so when the Wii became a hit you saw those hitting the shelves quickly. Due to the size of the installed base it will make sense to create traditional "hardcore" games on the Wii.

EA is a good example of this. They were banking on PS3 and now realize the Wii is big. The first games that come from them will be games that take 6 months to make, but there will be other games later.

As far as backwards compatibility goes, it is a bonus, but not a reason to buy a system. Neither is downloading trailers. A hamburger with a lot of lettuce and tomotoes and onions is still kind of sucky when it comes without the bun and the meat.

[schild]

You know, 3rd party games for the Wii will be PS2 crossplatform. You know which one is going to sell more EVERY time?

Even when Sony loses, they win.

[Roac]

Next thing you know, you'll start pimping NetApp stock.

[WindupAtheist]

Schild's just pissy because Sony's six-hundred dollar dust-gatherer is proof that marketing to him is folly.

[Murgos]

Sorry to hear you're having financial issues.

I don't own a PS2 atm.  Why should I buy one when I can get a PS3 (again upscaling and also Blu-Ray which I forgot about earlier and hey, someday PS3 games)?  Because you got the hairs on your ass twisted up so that they pinch?  Nah.

If someone doesn't own a PS2, I can't imagine why'd they have such a crushing need to play RPG's and Platfomers that they're:

a) Unable to wait a few months for the more than half dozen RPG's scheduled for release on the 360 this year.

and

b) Would rather pay $600 instead of $129 for the benefit of playing last-gen games upscaled.

I haven't thrown anything into my argument.  You're the one who keeps looking for something more so that I have to go back and add in things for YOU.

I don't have a PS2 now.  I have before.  I would like to play RPG's and platformers.  I can't on the X360 I own.  This makes me think buying a PS3 (or a Wii on impulse if there was one in stock) right now might not be a bad idea.

Why this is such a hard concept for you is beyond me.

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Maybe you'll get it now?

[Teleku]

I think theres a picture hidden in that block of text.  Maybe if I cross my eye's while looking at it........

[Yegolev]

I'm still burnt that the Wii didn't have a built in GBA player. Means I can't get rid of my damn cube yet.

Yeg, KOEI loves the 360. Gundam was a one-off. Atlus is probably going to support the 360 eventually. It's pretty much inevitable. Wait, were you saying that? I don't even get your post. Lol.

I don't get my post either.  You should have read the one I deleted.  Murgos is making my point but using actual human language.  He even is someone that once owned a PS2 and now wants a PS3 to play those same games so he's pretty much living my life here... although I do have a PS2 laying around but not plugged in.  I'd rather play PS2 games on the PS3 now, for various reasons.  Those reasons boil down to the fact that it is a much, much better machine; I mean better than _____, not just better than the PS3.  Shame about the sales figures.

So the games, KOEI, etc.  Today the selection is pretty slim and I'm going to come right out and admit that KOEI games are too much for me within my current lifestyle.  The 360 has plenty of other things going for it, but really those things don't include certain game genres.  I'm someone that will play an Atlus or NIS game on whatever platform, and that's sort of why I was saying if the PS3 doesn't start selling more then we are going to have those games divided between two consoles with the majority going to the suckier one with a larger install base.  That would be the 360, if you weren't keeping track.  Oddly parallel to the PS2 performance against the Xbox and Cube, with MS assuming Sony's position from the last few years.  Cats and dogs living together.  I can't see past the nexus.

I'm not trying to console (ha!) myself over the price, either.  I spent $300 on a pair of sunglasses just two weeks ago, so I obviously don't give a fuck about price if it's something I feel warrants the money.  As far as I can tell, complaints about the PS3 can be summarized as: "I can't afford one" or "PSN is dildos" or "not enough games".  I can only shrug at #1, #2 will hopefully be fixed in October, and #3 doesn't bother me because I don't feel like I have to play PS3 games on my PS3 since I just see it as a Playstation Mark 3.  The PS3 library is balls right now but since the PS3 will play PS and PS2 games frawressry (better than the original systems in fact, in most cases), I feel like it is an unfair comparison when I can't count God of War, Odin Sphere and Atelier Iris 3 as part of the library: three PS2 games that I have played without ever inserting them into a PS2 console.

On the other hand, you can't legitimately count the Xbox library as part of the 360 library.  Maybe the Haloes, but fuck Halo.  You can count the Cube library as part of the Wii library except there's that issue with me needing four different controllers for one console.  This weekend I will be giving my WaveBird to Killjoy; he still runs a Cube.

As for your GBA-in-the-Wii comment... thanks for giving me something else to rue.

[HaemishM]

So the primary measure for RPG quality is graphical? Whuuu?

Yes, that's what I said. Don't be a donk.

In that post, you said nothing else about RPG's but about how much the Wii's graphics suck. So a reasonable assumption is that you only give a shit about an RPG if the graphics are high-res and come on a Blu-Ray disc. One can assume you also want a decent story in the RPG, but that wasn't what you said, and since you love JRPG's so much, one shouldn't even assume that.

Also, I fail to see why minigames engender so much hate around here. If they are fun, who cares? They are easy and cheap to make, they appeal to people who aren't traditionally game purchasers, meaning there's more money coming into the industry from places that the industry wasn't pulling before which means EVERYBODY WINS.

I actually like the approach EA is taking with FIFA 08. They are giving you the same FIFA action you'd normally get in this year's version, and they are adding a multiplayer minigame in Ronaldhino's Footii Party. While I may play it once and pass on it, others might be attracted to just that part of it. Everybody wins.

I find it difficult to care much about RPG's on consoles or on PC's anymore, because most of them have evolved about as much as MMOG's. I'm actually burned out on RPG's, especially fantasy types. I can't even bother to play Oblivion on my PC. All I see if shiney shiney pixel shader shiney foozle kill level cutscene fin. Mass Effect has me intrigued if only for it being Sci-Fi, but I won't be getting a 360 before Xmas at the earliest so /meh.

[Simond]

You have to remember, Nintendo is practically forcing the Wiimote down the industry's collective throat right now

No, that would be the fact that the Wii is selling 2x to 3x more consoles than the "next-gen" platforms.

Correction: The Wii is currently outselling the PS3 five-to-one in Japan, and will only pull further ahead when all the current PS2 developers follow the money.

Disgaea 3 as a Wii exclusive? I wouldn't be that surprised.

(As for MGS4...take a look at the recent 'remix' of the existing trailer and see if you can see what has mysteriously disappeared from the credits, compared to the older version ;)).

[schild]

Metal Gear has shown up on Xboxen before. It would not shock me.

The Wii outselling the PS3 five to one in Japan really doesn't mean anything. PS2 games will always outsell it and they ARE from the same generation. NIS will probably stick with the PS2 and go to the 360 later (since Idea Factory and their other partners are). Atlus is probably going to the PS3. Gust probably will also. The transition will be slow though. There's simply no reason for smaller devs to go to the Wii when they can stick with the PS2 - a system they KNOW.

Edit: Repetition.