Sony cutting jobs

[Riggswolfe]

Link is here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19090812/

I found this part really interesting:

In the United States, the Wii was the top-selling new console for the fourth month in a row in April, with Nintendo selling 360,000 units, while Sony sold 82,000 units of the PS3 and Microsoft Corp. sold 174,000 Xbox 360 machines.

So basically, the 360 is outselling the PS3? For some reason that surprises me.

[schild]

Why is that interesting? I doubt PS3 sales had that much to do with it - particularly with the PS2 in the top 3 every month. Sony has LOTS of fat to cut off. Particularly in marketing. They need to fire everyone that didn't make the This is Living ad.

[Big Gulp]

So basically, the 360 is outselling the PS3? For some reason that surprises me.

That's in the US only.  I assume that Europe is probably about the same.  Japan is different, but the Wii is destroying everybody there (the 360 hardly exists).  I don't know why it should be surprising though...  The 360's cheaper and has a better line up at the moment.  That's a formula for beating the competition if there ever was one.

[Merusk]

I think Riggs was just surprised because the 360 is nearly 2 years old.  I'm just surprised to still see "WTF my goddamn 360 died!" posts.

Really, for the small additional cost I'd buy a PS3 first.. since it seems like the fucker won't melt on me.

[schild]

The PS3 is the best made console I've ever seen.

Fucking strange coming from Sony.

[Driakos]

The PS3 is the best made console I've ever seen.

Fucking strange coming from Sony.

I dunno man, my Super Nintendo was a tank.  Pretty much indestructible.  The N64 was pretty strong too.  Hell, I knocked the JP N64 plastic bits out with a hammer and chisel, so I could play NA games. If you want to say, among consoles with lasers, the PS3 ranks high, ok.

I'm on my third PS2.  The others just died through normal use, no hammers.  About to be on my second 360, I think it's days are numbered (I have to start it multiple times  to get past the red circle, and the foreign onscreen error message).  I've had to replace my PS1 and xbox as well.  Most CD/DVD consoles seem assified. 

Never had trouble with my Gamecube, and because it is a top-loader, I don't treat it with very much respect.  I just open the lid, grab the disk while it's still spinning, Gamecube muscles through it.  My point I guess, is that Nintendo makes burly consoles.  We have a Wii in the house, it hasn't shit yet, but it's not mine so I don't feel qualified to comment on its quality.

[Miasma]

In the United States, the Wii was the top-selling new console for the fourth month in a row in April, with Nintendo selling 360,000 units, while Sony sold 82,000 units of the PS3 and Microsoft Corp. sold 174,000 Xbox 360 machines.

Sorry, I've been dying to work that in somewhere.

[Chimpy]

Didn't MS just release a new "version" of the 360 recently though? I would guess that a lot of the 360 fanbois bought one of those (I know a couple of people who were talking about it before it happened) which would make it selling a decent amount not that surprising.

[NiX]

Not just fanbois bought them. People who wanted HDMI out of a 360 bought one too and black is just so much sexier. I need to get one so it matches my desktop.

[WindupAtheist]

They can kiss my ass just because of that "crying baby doll" PS3 ad.  The whole thing just screamed "We're completely fucking out of touch with what fun is, BUT WE ARE SONY, YOUR GOD!  EAT OUR SHIT AND CALL IT FINE CHOCOLATE!"

[schild]

This is Living is an awesome ad. I'm sorry.

[Fabricated]

The PS3 really needs to start getting some fucking games. Well, ditto for the Wii too. Actually, the Wii especially.

The 360 has an interesting lineup but not a goddamn thing that makes me want to buy the system. Not a thing. Sorry, played Gears, it sucked.

[NiX]

This is Living is an awesome ad. I'm sorry.

You're special though. I thought it was meh. The banned jump in ad was much better.

[Wolf]

This is lvining as in the European campaign? Are you serious? This is the most ridicolous and wtf marketing campaign ever. The one with the hotel with the football dude jerking off to the game and so on...

[schild]

Yes. The european one. Dead serious, I thought it was incredible. Simply as a piece of film. I never care what an ad is selling. That could have been an ad for fucking ramen and it would have been awesome.

Basically, ads fail completely on me. That's why I think ad blocking on the internet is for assholes. :)

[Wolf]

With the chick giving the monologue about her dead mother... while taking a dump in the toilet? Dude, you're the first person I know that liked those adds.

Since you're a fan - here is the EXTREMLY NSFW version of the add - http://kotaku.com/gaming/this-is-nudity/ps3-meltdown-266623.php

[schild]

Uh, no. Not the one with the chick on the toilet. I'm talking specifically about the 2 in the hotel. The one with the grenade and money and the one with the bellhop giving the monologue in the hallway. Alternatively, you could say the ones starring Clifton Collins Jr.

The rest of the campaign, not so much.

But then, some of those BMW Films from 2003-2004 sucked also.

[WindupAtheist]

Woman on a toilet?  Bellhop monologue?  What the fuck?

No wonder their pretentious megabucks god-machine is getting it's cock ripped off and shoved up it's ass by a souped-up Gamecube.  Maybe they should have tried showing off some of those graphics we were supposed to want to sell a kidney for, instead of fucking around playing auteur.

But hey, squandering a once-dominant position in the console market was totally worthwhile in order to push Betamax.  I mean Blu-Ray.

[Teleku]

Yeah, that whole ad campaign sucks ass.  The people who made it need to have their offices burned down as a lesson.

[Velorath]

Didn't MS just release a new "version" of the 360 recently though? I would guess that a lot of the 360 fanbois bought one of those (I know a couple of people who were talking about it before it happened) which would make it selling a decent amount not that surprising.

Even before the Elite released, the 360 was outselling the PS3 in the US by a good sized margin.  If anything, the announcement of the Elite slowed down sales in March and most of April as people held off on purchasing systems in order to wait for the Elite.  The NPD numbers for April include about the first week or so of the Elite's release, but we won't have a good idea of how whether or not it's release lead to an increase in 360 sales until the May numbers are released.

[Miasma]

The big cage at my local best buy where they store all the expensive or easily stolen sytems is jammed with PS3s, they can't fit anymore in there.  I have yet to see a wii available for sale though.

[Yegolev]

Layoffs in a corporation of that size have everything to do with expected stock price and little, if anything, with things that regular consumers see.  Things are done based on what industry analysts think rather than how much money is coming in, since the People In Charge get their money from dividends instead of payroll.  Thus stock price is king.

[Riggswolfe]

I think Riggs was just surprised because the 360 is nearly 2 years old.  I'm just surprised to still see "WTF my goddamn 360 died!" posts.

Really, for the small additional cost I'd buy a PS3 first.. since it seems like the fucker won't melt on me.

That's exactly it Merusk. I figured most people who wanted a 360 would already have on, so to see it still outselling the PS3 surprised me but at the same time made me somewhat happy since I'm hoping to see Blu-ray be still born. (I don't like having a product shoved down my throat.)

[schild]

Blu-Ray wasn't stillborn. Somehow, by a twist of fate, despite the name, HD-DVD was. Blu-Ray is kicking HD-DVDs ass all over the marketplace. Up, down, inside-out. And the adoption rate will slowly pick up as the price of HDTVs becomes "affordable."

[HaemishM]

This is Living is an awesome ad. I'm sorry.

That statement does not match reality. The This is Living campaign, especially the Euro hotel one, were just fucking awful goddamn ads. Faux wannabe Avant-garde trash meant that didn't even bother to show screenshots of the product in action. TOTAL SHIT.

[Riggswolfe]

Blu-Ray wasn't stillborn. Somehow, by a twist of fate, despite the name, HD-DVD was. Blu-Ray is kicking HD-DVDs ass all over the marketplace. Up, down, inside-out. And the adoption rate will slowly pick up as the price of HDTVs becomes "affordable."

That's debatable. HD-DVD was winning before the PS3. Then there was a surge in Blu-ray but now HD-DVD seems to be picking back up and the players seem to be still outselling Blu-Ray players.

[schild]

This is Living is an awesome ad. I'm sorry.

That statement does not match reality. The This is Living campaign, especially the Euro hotel one, were just fucking awful goddamn ads. Faux wannabe Avant-garde trash meant that didn't even bother to show screenshots of the product in action. TOTAL SHIT.

What part of "I don't care what it was advertising" was confusing?

[HaemishM]

If you don't care what it was advertising, IT FAILED. It's quite simple. You can make the most incredible film ever, that wins all sorts of art fag honors and is widely loved by the masturbatory pinheads out there who care more about winning awards with ads than making ads that work.

But if the ad leaves you not caring what it advertised, it is a failure as an ad because the whole point of the ad is to get you to feel favorably about the product its hawking. It tried so hard to be so clever that it forgot the main point of advertising, selling a product. It was that arrogant douchebag in the corner wearing the beret talking about eating God and laughing at you because you just "don't get it, man." Meanwhile, he's living off whatever MILF he can gigolo out of this week's rent and some money for blow.

If I didn't get a painting, that's one thing. If I don't get advertising, then the advertising failed to sell me something, whether that something is a product or a feeling about the product.

[Yoru]

Does anyone else get the feeling that, whenever the PS3's "dominance" is questioned, Schild suddenly tans and sprouts a green beret?

You know, something like this...

[Riggswolfe]

Does anyone else get the feeling that, whenever the PS3's "dominance" is questioned, Schild suddenly tans and sprouts a green beret?

Yeah, it's kind of fun watching though. Though the combination of art faggy ad with the PS3 means he's about to hit some critical meltdown level. Fun for all!

[Viin]

If you don't care what it was advertising, IT FAILED. ....

[schild]

Great, it fails as an ad. Now I get it. My mistake, I cared those other two times I said I didn't.

Don't be retarded. This isn't art [advertising] theory. Just because it fails at selling me something, doesn't mean it fails to entertain.

[Nonentity]

This is Living is an awesome ad. I'm sorry.

I just saw the hotel ones for the first time.

Those are fucking cool. They don't make me want to buy a Playstation 3, but they're cool as independent pieces of cinema.

[HaemishM]

Just because it fails at selling me something, doesn't mean it fails to entertain.

It entertains YOU, but it's an ad, not cinema. Since we are talking about Sony folks (possibly marketing folks) losing their jobs, entertaining you obviously was a side effect of a failed product. I'm sure those folks will feel good that they made your tickle box jiggle.

[schild]

Just because it fails at selling me something, doesn't mean it fails to entertain.

It entertains YOU, but it's an ad, not cinema. Since we are talking about Sony folks (possibly marketing folks) losing their jobs, entertaining you obviously was a side effect of a failed product. I'm sure those folks will feel good that they made your tickle box jiggle.

I don't care what those folks think? Did the BMW ads make you want a BMW or did they make you want to be Clive Owen?