Gods and Heroes Beta

[Sky]

Hm. SOE made and published the only mmo I play. Tough to hate that.

[Nyght]

How can anyone hate the sad, not yet potty trained, puppy of MMO publishers? Poor thing doesn't know which corner to whiz in so he just piddles everywhere.

[schild]

How can anyone hate the sad, not yet potty trained, puppy of MMO publishers? Poor thing doesn't know which corner to whiz in so he just piddles everywhere.

What?

[Nyght]

Come on schild. You know what I am getting at here. No real need to spell it out is there?

[Sky]

You're saying you have have issues?

[Nyght]

I do have issues. Doesn't everyone? I don't have 'issues' with SOE.

I just think they are pursuing a losing long term strategy by sealing every deal anywhere they can and buying up everything they can get on the cheap.

If I said they were looking like the CountryWide Financial of MMO publishers, would that make more sense?

[Murgos]

Ahh, the famous random guy on the internet intuition.  Very useful for forecasting multi-billion dollar corporate strategies.

Obviously we have found our new Allan Greenspan, lets get this guy in charge of the Treasury Dept. stat!

[Nyght]

Ahh, the famous random guy on the internet intuition.  Very useful for forecasting multi-billion dollar corporate strategies.

Obviously we have found our new Allan Greenspan, lets get this guy in charge of the Treasury Dept. stat!

Thing is, I don't care if I am right or not. It is just my current thought on the subject. It has no influence here or anywhere else beyond me.

Why hate? A corporation or my opinion. Are you wounded by it?

[Murgos]

That wasn't hate.  It was laughter.

You are a very silly person.

[Nyght]

That wasn't hate.  It was laughter.

You are a very silly person.

I take that as a high compliment. It's something I aspire to.

[Vinadil]

Strangely enough I both easily understood and appreciated the whole "dog that piddles all over" analogy.  If you put it further into the whole "potty train your dog by putting him in a carrier", then you would have to say SoE is in a Box AND still peeing all over... so they might have to sleep in some of it someday.

I guess it lacks some of the flair you would need to make a straight business analogy, but it worked in my mind.

[Montague]

Strangely enough I both easily understood and appreciated the whole "dog that piddles all over" analogy.  If you put it further into the whole "potty train your dog by putting him in a carrier", then you would have to say SoE is in a Box AND still peeing all over... so they might have to sleep in some of it someday.

I guess it lacks some of the flair you would need to make a straight business analogy, but it worked in my mind.

SOE =



"I know it is hard. Being a developer is. Now son... son, look at me. I cannot be the developer. You, and you alone can put out this game. What I tell you, you must do. Not for me, not for yourself, but for your project!"

[cmlancas]

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!!!!!!!!

"I need a trailer IN MY trailer!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCAeVRh2b8U

[Trippy]

I wish I could say that was a bright idea. But SOE has fantastic distribution channels.

Edit: I don't know why our boy at razor wire treats them like that about publishing.

That article is misleading. SOE is still doing the retail distribution and marketing. Perpetual has sole control over the development of the product:

http://gh.warcry.com/news/view/76044-Perpetual-Reassumes-Publishing-Duties-From-SOE

[sturmur]

Strange business agreement, very unlike SOE. Don't they usually domineer every project they come in contact with?







lol, I said domineer.

[schild]

Strange business agreement, very unlike SOE. Don't they usually domineer every project they come in contact with?

No, this is tin-foil bullshit.

SOE itself even has several arms that have nothing to do with the other arms and exercise little control over eachother.

[Miasma]

In case you are keeping an eye on it.  Short version:  Delayed to 2008, layoffs.

I heard bioware had bought the platform this is based on for their still secret MMO, I hope it doesn't screw up bioware's KotOR Online!! MMO.

[UnSub]

I think Perpetual has bitten off more than it can chew and has realised that its bread and butter isn't going to be G&H, it's going to be Star Trek Online.

I'd say more, but 

[Trippy]

Star Trek Online is a loooong way from being finished, though.

[Evildrider]

Star Trek Online is a loooong way from being finished, though.

Indeed.. too long.  I'm dying for a decent sci-fi mmo.  Sooo tired of fantasy.

[UnSub]

Star Trek Online is a loooong way from being finished, though.

Indeed.. too long.  I'm dying for a decent sci-fi mmo.  Sooo tired of fantasy.

But G&H isn't a fantasy MMO - it's a Roman Mythology MMO, don'tyaknow.

Taking a quick look at G&H, it seems that it was going to be serving two main roles:

1) Serving as a project to develop and test Perpetual's MMO middleware package.

2) Serving as a revenue generator while Star Trek Online (which has to cost big $$$ as an IP) was being worked on.

The delay doesn't make the first role look very promising and fails miserably in the second role.

[Mrbloodworth]

Star Trek Online is a loooong way from being finished, though.

They also said they are not going to be doing anything full bore on it until G&H ships...soooo....... 

I haven't liked any of the design talk i have heard coming out of Perpetual about Star trek, its sounds like another Eve (as far as ship combat goes).

[UnSub]

One good necro deserves another!

Gods and Heroes possibly back under development at Heatwave.

Could be a smart move - pick up a game and the engine cheap, work on bringing things up to scratch and save a lot of development time. Perpetual / P2 had set up to make a MMO middleware platform along with their titles, so this could also be a part of Heatwave's plans.

Heatwave's employee list.

[Velorath]

One good necro deserves another!

Gods and Heroes possibly back under development at Heatwave.

Could be a smart move - pick up a game and the engine cheap, work on bringing things up to scratch and save a lot of development time. Perpetual / P2 had set up to make a MMO middleware platform along with their titles, so this could also be a part of Heatwave's plans.

Heatwave's employee list.

I took the fact that this went unposted here for the entire day as a reassuring sign that nobody gave a fuck.  Maybe Heatwave is hoping that Percy Jackson and Clash of the Titans (and I guess God of War 3 as well) are going to make Greek Mythology the next big thing.  Personally, I think it's stupid to purchase something that not even SOE even bothered to try and save.

[schild]

I don't know why you attached a Heatwave employee list. The only sure thing is Castoro and Binky (who wasn't on the original list). Everyone else was canned. I'd say they might have 15-20 people if lucky. Honestly though, I can't be sure, maybe they have 100. I do know they don't have enough to make an actual game though.

[Velorath]

I don't know why you attached a Heatwave employee list. The only sure thing is Castoro and Binky (who wasn't on the original list). Everyone else was canned. I'd say they might have 15-20 people if lucky. Honestly though, I can't be sure, maybe they have 100. I do know they don't have enough to make an actual game though.

I doubt they have enough to make an actual game judging by their website.  Their only completed project so far seems to be an iphone app of Samuel L. Jackson saying "funny" things.

[NiX]

But they're working on T.I.'s masterpiece entry into gaming: Platinum life.

[UnSub]

The employee list was there because I was wondering if this was just Perpetual under another guise. Didn't know they'd all been let go.

Reasons for posting were about not someone picking up G&H, but buying the engine underneath. And to hopefully provide something else to discuss other than if Robert Jordan was a bad writer or not (hint: he was).

[Shatter]

I don't know why you attached a Heatwave employee list. The only sure thing is Castoro and Binky (who wasn't on the original list). Everyone else was canned. I'd say they might have 15-20 people if lucky. Honestly though, I can't be sure, maybe they have 100. I do know they don't have enough to make an actual game though.

I doubt they have enough to make an actual game judging by their website.  Their only completed project so far seems to be an iphone app of Samuel L. Jackson saying "funny" things.

Id pay $14.99 a month for that

[schild]

I don't know why you attached a Heatwave employee list. The only sure thing is Castoro and Binky (who wasn't on the original list). Everyone else was canned. I'd say they might have 15-20 people if lucky. Honestly though, I can't be sure, maybe they have 100. I do know they don't have enough to make an actual game though.

I doubt they have enough to make an actual game judging by their website.  Their only completed project so far seems to be an iphone app of Samuel L. Jackson saying "funny" things.

They have a facebook game completed also!

[Pennilenko]

Everyone is so cynical, I say cheer for the new guys, and laugh if they fail.

[Lantyssa]

An, ahem, interesting mascot/logo...

[schild]

Everyone is so cynical, I say cheer for the new guys, and laugh if they fail.

They're not even a little new.

[Tearofsoul]

Once upon a time ...

[Ubvman]

If SOE bought and released an unimaginative rehashed WoW clone, they get pilloried and laughed at mercilessly. It will just be another fail MMOG in their repertoire of fail MMOGs (MxO, Vanguard etc.) Their shareholders will hold management's feet to the fire.

On the other hand, its kinda okay for a small company to buy the said incomplete game, finish it up and release the unimaginative and rehashed WoW clone.

Expectations are lot a lower for small companies. People expect a lot more from SOE, thats probably why they dropped it in the first place.