Blizzard Moderator expresses sanity

[jpark]

Please remove this thread if referred to already.

http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/102816485.htm

Tseric who has been a moderator for along time during wow - appears to have lost his cool and expressed thoughts about the wow forum community that has also been said here - albeit less eloquently.

In particular his comment:

"When you can understand how a group of beligerent and angry posters can drive away people from this game with an uncrafted and improvisational campaign of misery and spin-doctoring, then perhaps, you can understand the decisions I make. Until you face mobs of psychology, you will not see my side.

Until you see some bright-eyed player coming onto the forums wanting to know what they should spec as this class, and see them shat on and driven away by petty and selfish people who are simply leveraging for game buffs, you will not understand.

You will not understand until you have to see it daily, for years... "

[Arthur_Parker]

Good for him, they should limit posts to 50 per account, if you can't say what you need to say about one game in 50 posts then you have a problem.

[stray]

He, or anyone like him, expects too much. Most of those people are just stupid kids. And not just kids (which is already bad enough), but kids on the internet. I mean, even adults are assholes on the internet -- Having high expectations from them as well is almost asking too much.

[EDIT]

Good for him, they should limit posts to 50 per account, if you can't say what you need to say about one game in 50 posts then you have a problem.

Unfortunately, these games change over time. People get confused. And they can already be complicated to begin with. Even well mannered posters, who are just looking for advice (or trying to give it), would easily exceed 50 posts over the time that they play the game.

[Merusk]

Spoken like a man whose never read a web-board in his life.  It's not like the b.net boards or any web-board for any game wasn't the exact same way.   Yet the underlying sentiment seems to be, "WTF, people act like dicks on the internet!"

[Jayce]

a group of beligerent and angry posters can drive away people from this game with an uncrafted and improvisational campaign of misery and spin-doctoring

I have seen that sentiment a lot around here (f13), and it's good advice:  Don't read the class forums unless you want to hate your class.

But I don't see how this helps anything.  It won't cause anyone to tone it down; in fact it might rile them up more.  It might explain a few things to relative newbies to the forums, but there are probably few of those at any given point in time.

[Miasma]

Since you linked to cardplace can I assume this is one of the many threads a blizzard mod deleted due to their own comments ?

Some of the blizzard CMs need to get back to basics and be retrained in how to be a CM.  While it would be incredibly tempting to call bullshit on so many threads that are exactly that they still can't do it, they just have to ignore the raving trolls and, if forced to interact with them, turn them away with kindness.  They should come off as being squeaky clean and above all the immature ramblings of the WoW boards.  It's a job I could never do, I don't have the patience for it and would be permabanning dozens of accounts a day while hurling obscenities at them.

BTW, Eyonix can be an outright asshole and should learn to keep his trap shut.

[Xanthippe]

Completely and utterly unprofessional.

Clearly, he's not cut out for this.  Does he still have a job?

[Raging Turtle]

Good for him.

It's a shitty, shitty job; if you take it too seriously, you'll go insane.

[Venkman]

On the one side, people should recognize their limits before they reach them and move on.

On the other, how can anyone who's ever visited any oboard think poorly of this type of thing happening? Shit, I can't fathom how this doesn't happen more often. CMs have no power and get all the blame. Companies that aren't smart enough to move those people around only have themselves to blame when this happens. "Unprofessional?" Screw that. He's been nothing but since how long and now people shit on him because he's had enough? Give him a fucking medal for last that long!

[Calantus]

I went to the WoW boards looking for some advice on my priest, mainly where to get gear, but it's totally worthless. It has never been this bad. It always had elements this bad sure, but there were at least a few helpful topics on the board at any given time. Right now I couldn't find anything in 3 pages of looking. It's all whine from the OP or some idiot will derail it halfway through. The only non-troll posts are from newbies asking what race they should go, everyone with something to say and the experience to back it up doesn't seem to touch the forum anymore.

Blizz need to but the boot down, hard, week-long suspensions for noise, permabans for repeat noise.

[ajax34i]

So what level priest, and what kind of gear are you looking for advice for.

[sinij]

With enough people signal to noise ratio of posts reaches all noise limit. This can be somewhat offset by draconian moderation but any form of moderation results in bias that in turn drives whole thing into noise.

Message board with infinite amount of posters moderated by infinite number of moderators will result in all gibberish posts... very much like around these parts but on much larger scale.

[Calantus]

So what level priest, and what kind of gear are you looking for advice for.

I'm fine now, I went and manually looked up all the gear that drops in 5mans and picked out what I wanted from that.

[Modern Angel]

It's like I'm watching a fight between two people I don't like. I can't choose who to root for.

Tseric's an idiot and he's always been an idiot. A loudmouthed idiot. Bbbuuuttttttt he is calling douchebag Generation Y tards on their sense of entitlement that has them comparing themselves to Holocaust victims. Dammit, Tseric...

[Paelos]

They should come off as being squeaky clean and above all the immature ramblings of the WoW boards. 

He's a CM. He's not running for internet Jesus.

[squirrel]

"WTF, people act like dicks on the internet!"

LOL. Hay, fuck you retard. Who r u to say peopel on the net act like dicks. You're probaably just another fuckin hunter.

amirite?

[Ironwood]

"WTF, people act like dicks on the internet!"

LOL. Hay, fuck you retard. Who r u to say peopel on the net act like dicks. You're probaably just another fuckin hunter.

amirite?

Ouch.  That's too good an impression for comfort.

[MrHat]

On a side note, WAR isn't having official forums.

[Koyasha]

As much as the WoW official forums are full of crap, they can often be useful as well.  I've gathered considerable amounts of good info over time from reading class forums, that has improved my ability to play my classes.  So the fact that WAR isn't having official forums is certainly a downside in my opinion.

[ShenMolo]

I went to the WoW boards looking for some advice on my priest, mainly where to get gear, but it's totally worthless. It has never been this bad. It always had elements this bad sure, but there were at least a few helpful topics on the board at any given time. Right now I couldn't find anything in 3 pages of looking. It's all whine from the OP or some idiot will derail it halfway through. The only non-troll posts are from newbies asking what race they should go, everyone with something to say and the experience to back it up doesn't seem to touch the forum anymore.

Blizz need to but the boot down, hard, week-long suspensions for noise, permabans for repeat noise.

Try the EU forums.

As much as it pains me to say it, they are much more polite and informative.

http://forums.wow-europe.com/?sid=1

[Ironwood]

And they nick the best bits from the US anyway.

[Miasma]

On a side note, WAR isn't having official forums.

I would much, much rather have official boards complete with the drooling morons than nothing at all.  In the end the idiots can easily be ignored.  Fan sites are absolute garbage and force you to dig around in six different hell holes to find the info you want.  Vanguard's decision not to have official boards was a huge mistake and caused me no end of frustration.

Not having official boards doesn't get rid of the stupid, it just spreads it around and then gains a +74 buff to ignorance since there are no official people to squelch stuff.  Just knowing that there will be no official WAR boards puts a huge tick in the minus column for my purchase decision.

[Nevermore]

That's just standard operating procedure for Mythic.  They never had official boards for DAoC either.  I'm sure they'll use the Vault as their 'unofficial official' boards for WAR just like they did with DAoC.

[Calantus]

The best part of that is not only is vault a gaping pit of hell, it also has one of the shittiest layouts known to man, being only just slightly less "WTF is this shit?!?" than gamespy.

I'll have to check out the euro boards.

[Modern Angel]

No kidding. My only in depth experience with a boardless MMO is Guild Wars and gwonline is... well, it sucks.

[Simond]

Blizz need to but the boot down, hard, week-long suspensions for noise, permabans for repeat noise.

Stalinized, for the children.

It's funny...with all the fuss kicked up back when SOE killed Whineplay v1 then had their mods rule over V2 with an iron fist, turns out they were right all along.

[schild]

Until you see some bright-eyed player coming onto the forums wanting to know what they should spec as this class, and see them shat on and driven away by petty and selfish people who are simply leveraging for game buffs, you will not understand.

I've seen it daily for years.

This Blizzard mod is a pussy bitch.

Some might even say that some of you fuckers invented this board trolling style.

Someone needs to sock this guy in the face, explain the flagrant misuse of the HST quote in his sig, and tell him to grow some.

[Nonentity]

Until you see some bright-eyed player coming onto the forums wanting to know what they should spec as this class, and see them shat on and driven away by petty and selfish people who are simply leveraging for game buffs, you will not understand.

I've seen it daily for years.

This Blizzard mod is a pussy bitch.

Some might even say that some of you fuckers invented this board trolling style.

Someone needs to sock this guy in the face, explain the flagrant misuse of the HST quote in his sig, and tell him to grow some.

Tseric is an interesting fellow.

Back when I was a GM at Blizzard (pretty short stint there), I'd used to go have cigarettes with him (and Eyonix), back when he was a Senior GM. He always seemed kinda stressed out, he even had the constant floofy hair thing.

A younger Doc from Back to the Future, if you would.

[Modern Angel]

That's pretty much precisely how I pictured him. He drank the kool aid and you can see, every now and again, that the board nonsense creeps into his real life and makes him nutty. That may be his worst meltdown but it's nowhere near his first.

[Furiously]

Back when I was a GM at Blizzard (pretty short stint there), I'd used to go have cigarettes with him (and Eyonix), back when he was a Senior GM. He always seemed kinda stressed out, he even had the constant floofy hair thing.

A younger Doc from Back to the Future, if you would.

1.21 gigawatts!

[Miasma]

I just read some more of his posts and this one:

    Jesus christ.... /facepalm.

    Just stop. For the love of god , just stop.

Can't help it.

Posting impassionately, they say you don't care.

Posting nothing, they say you ignore.

Posting with passion, you incite trolls.

Posting fluff, you say nonsense.

Post with what facts you have, they whittle down with rationale.

There is no win.

There is only slow degredation.

Take note. It is the first and only time you'll see someone in my position make that position.

You can be me when I'm gone.

is mildly suicidal.  Combined with the rest of his meltdown he should either take some time off or seek help.

[schild]

Like I said, pussy bitch. Can't handle the pressure, get the ever living fuck out of the kitchen.

[sinij]

On a side note, WAR isn't having official forums.

That is huge mistake and just asking for your community to be hijacked by gold sellers. You can't fight gold sellers if they control your community via message boards.

[sinij]

Like I said, pussy bitch. Can't handle the pressure, get the ever living fuck out of the kitchen.

Of all mmorpg boards I think best one was SB's worst one would be anything by Blizzard. I think 'everyone out to get you' attitude is overall better than half-assed play nice policy.

[schild]

I don't understand your post. It makes no sense.