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Reply #70 on: May 09, 2007, 04:48:46 PM

Keee-rist, that's crazy.  I wish they'd unnerf the damage and re-add a threat multiplier to swipe.   Multi-mob tanking for bears is kind of a pain in the ass.  Lots of tabbing maul/mangling (swipe is shit aggro currently), taunting when something inevitably breaks loose (better not be two mobs heading toward the healer), and praying that you're not grouped with complete retards (KILL THE SKULL, FUCKNUT).  Do some priests just not know where their fade button is anymore? 



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Reply #71 on: May 09, 2007, 05:47:21 PM

Don't forget they get a 3-target taunt.  I've seen them throw the shield at mobs breaking towards the healer as well, has a nice threat component already.  Reckoning helps a ton too (on packs, not as much on single target)

They just aren't the best single target tanks.  Crazy how that works, but I hope they embrace that dynamic, and design around it, not break it.

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Reply #72 on: May 09, 2007, 08:51:54 PM


By passively, I meant that he doesn't actually have to attack the mobs to gain threat on them, they kill themselves:

Consecration (standard holy PBAoE)
Blessing of Sanctuary (Reduces damage incoming and causes Holy damage whenever you block an attack)
Holy Shield (Increases block chance and causes Holy damage whenever you block an attack)
Spiritual Attunement (Turns healing received into mana and is threat credited to you: just like when a Warrior gains Rage)

Add in all the things that make Paladins good single-target tanks and yeah... Warriors simply can't compete as their only options are Tab+Sunder while Paladins have that whole list AND being able to switch between targets.

In 2.1.0, they'll be changing Avenger's Shield to be basically a high-threat, 3-target Cleave and just a general increase in Holy damage done which will help out even more.

Don't forget Righteous Fury/Improved Righteous Fury that decreases damage and increases threat from holy damage by a ton.

Also, reckoning is great now, especially coupled with Seal of Light and judged SoL.

Also, Judging Seal of Justice on something prevents it from leaving combat with you.

Also we've got that 3 target taunt...

Seriously, I can tank crazy numbers of mobs solo for pretty much infinity with AH +mana gear.

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Reply #73 on: May 10, 2007, 01:29:46 AM

Add in all the things that make Paladins good single-target tanks and yeah... Warriors simply can't compete as their only options are Tab+Sunder while Paladins have that whole list AND being able to switch between targets.


This is not correct.  Again, I hate to be elitist, but if your prot specced warrior is only tabbing and sundering, he sucks balls and you should tell him so.  Hell, if your FURY warrior is doing this, he also sucks balls.

ThunderClap, particularly improved, all the shouts pretty much, the bleed effects, piercing howl.

The problems that you guys are bringing up here simply do not apply to me and I'm a little bemused.

Of course, our healer is my wife ;  if even one guy gets through to her, I don't get a blowjob for MONTHS.  I'm probably the best tank on the server...

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Reply #74 on: May 10, 2007, 04:15:57 AM

It wasn't that Warriors (and Druids now) have a problem with large pulls, it's just that Paladins handle them a lot better. A few pulls in Kara didn't suddenly become impossible when one of our Pallies respec'd, but the Locks and Priests can't just throw DoTs around and expect to come out unscathed anymore.

Also, Tab+Sunder was an oversimplification, but really, it's Tab+Something for both sides. Yes, our tank Thunder Claps (Imp too), Shouts, and all those good things (although he had to repsec to pick up Piercing Howl for Kara), but those also activate the GCD so you can't Tab+Whatever AND throw out the AOEs at the same time, it's one or the other at any one time. With a Paladin, outside of the initial cast of Consecrate, your multi-target stuff is going on at the same time as you're swapping from target to target.

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Reply #75 on: May 10, 2007, 04:48:19 AM

Fair enough.  On the GCD if nothing else, I totally agree.  Far too many of the warrior abilities are tied into this.

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Reply #76 on: May 10, 2007, 06:38:13 AM

Hell I WANT pallies to be great tanks at 5 mans. I'm sick of those freaking places now and most of the other warriors get tired of every poopsocking rogue or hunter who couldn't get a group on a dare asking us to try and run them through Arc/SL/BM for their Karazhan key.

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Reply #77 on: May 10, 2007, 02:27:50 PM

I'm so glad paladins and druids can tank normal 5mans reliably now. I seriously have not had a single warrior tank that wasn't guilded with a friend of mine since I hit 70. Every last one of them I ask is only interested in heroics or not at all.
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Reply #78 on: May 10, 2007, 02:31:06 PM

I recently respecced my Pally alt from Holy to Prot just so some of the new people and slow levelers would have a tank to run normal 5mans. Pretty much all our warriors AND druids hate to run them now.
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Reply #79 on: May 10, 2007, 03:55:00 PM

I'm so glad paladins and druids can tank normal 5mans reliably now. I seriously have not had a single warrior tank that wasn't guilded with a friend of mine since I hit 70. Every last one of them I ask is only interested in heroics or not at all.

There's a reason. We're all burned out on the regular runs. It's freaking MAY now. If you were a regular tanking 60 warrior when the expansion came out in February, you've had 4 solid months of nothing but tells asking for help. It's annoying as shit.

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Reply #80 on: May 10, 2007, 08:43:33 PM

They need to route all the returning 60's to separate servers.  Hmmm, perhaps a new type of server.  Free transfer, but only for L60s.
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