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Title: Destiny 2
Post by: Trippy on May 18, 2017, 12:18:12 PM
Live gameplay stream on right now: https://www.twitch.tv/bungie

Edit: Stream over, didn't actually show any live gameplay, though people at the event are getting the play the game now.

Story explanation of why you have to start over from scratch.

I had no idea they never added clans to Destiny but they will be in 2.

PC version will be on the Blizzard games network formerly known as Battle.net.

Beta this summer (they didn't say if that includes PC).

Edit 2: Capture of stream (while it lasts): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njsBWKymo7I

Actual start of presentation : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njsBWKymo7I&t=3265s


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on May 18, 2017, 01:48:24 PM
Came here when the part about Blizzard providing backbone/login support hit my news feed.

I've never played Destiny, as I'm terrible at FPS games on the console and completely wrote it off. Though I do recall a number of friends saying they enjoyed the game.

I guess I'll watch the development of this. Would be nice to have something proper to replace The Division tanking.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Hawkbit on May 18, 2017, 05:36:50 PM
I'm pretty bad at FPSs too and I found the single player fairly easy to get into. It's basically sci-fi FPS WoW, I'm surprised you never tried it.

The story could be better and I wish they'd knock the price down so I can snag the last expansion. I had a fun time with what I played of it though. My dad is 66 and played it every damn day for about a year or so. He's terrible, but still managed to do most of the content because people have helped him get through.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on May 18, 2017, 08:43:19 PM
One of the guys on my friends list is a retired Vietnam vet. He was kinda crappy but still came through in a pinch for nightfalls and other strike activities. We carry him a lot, but he knows when to get the fuck out of dodge and swoop in to rez our asses if we go down. The coop bits of the game with the exceptions of the hard mode and challenge mode raids have never been that hard if you weren't a total moron. With the addition of the guided content, I'm thinking it'll be even easier for people to get into D2.

Needless to say, Day 1.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on May 27, 2017, 06:23:11 PM
Skill Up put together what I think is a nice "final version" review of Destiny 1. As someone who didn't give the game a vast amount of attention (mostly just read headlines about updates and plights), they did a good job of summing up the flaws of the vanilla and first couple DLCs, and how they atoned in subsequent patches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNyMbmjOtW4

As someone who 'did' put in a lot of time on The Division, I'm pretty sure this will indeed be up my alley. Think they'll let PC and console players cross-platform together?  :grin:

Edit: Amazon Prime members get a 20% discount at checkout for the pre-order. Sold. Pre-order and try the beta on the cheap, cancel if you don't like it  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on June 13, 2017, 07:06:28 AM
Well shit. PC has to wait until October to play :(.

Guess I'll just swing around in the Secret World until then.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: schild on June 13, 2017, 10:13:55 AM
By October we'll know if it's remotely good. The trailer during the Sony conference was terrible.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on June 13, 2017, 10:17:37 AM
It seems like they blew their load on the event they held last month. There's wasn't anything "new"; they just put something together to show off the PS4 exclusive stuffs.

The game's now available for pre-order through the Blizzard Store/client. In Blizzard fashion, there's the standard and digital deluxe versions. Just so weird seeing a non-Blizzard game in the Bliz store  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on June 13, 2017, 12:57:18 PM
Here you go, have a 4k 60FPS gameplay trailer from nVidia!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LsvPVk5eH4

 :drill: :drill: :drill:


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: MrHat on June 13, 2017, 03:56:56 PM
Here you go, have a 4k 60FPS gameplay trailer from nVidia!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LsvPVk5eH4

 :drill: :drill: :drill:


Is that for the PC?  Why are they using a controller?


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on June 14, 2017, 06:57:46 AM
Dunno. Maybe Bungie doesn't know how to use a mouse/keyboard?  :awesome_for_real:

Anyways, here's a bigger, longer, and now with mouse usage video on PC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArPP6_QXqyQ


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on June 14, 2017, 02:45:46 PM
Jason and Alex pioneered M&KB on the Mac back in the day. Of course, only Jason is still there at this point, but some of the old school Bungie folk remember. I hope.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: schild on June 15, 2017, 09:08:23 AM
This looks like The Division with a sci-fi skin, and I guess first person mode.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Hawkbit on June 15, 2017, 09:50:10 AM
When the Division launched I thought the same about it towards Destiny.

I was pretty ambivalent about Destiny at launch, but I occasionally play it now. I'll likely check out Destiny 2 and wait on the EA similar game to see how they launch.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on June 15, 2017, 09:26:03 PM
This looks like The Division with a sci-fi skin, and I guess first person mode.

Looks like Destiny to me.  Should I play The Division?


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on June 15, 2017, 09:40:45 PM
This looks like The Division with a sci-fi skin, and I guess first person mode.

No.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on June 16, 2017, 06:49:36 AM
This looks like The Division with a sci-fi skin, and I guess first person mode.

No.

+1. Maybe if they hadn't tried to reinvent the wheel for the billionth time in regards to loot and patched their buggy shit quicker, it'd be fine. But no, don't invest.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on June 16, 2017, 12:27:56 PM
I think there is some mis-quoting going on, but I interpret the comments as "Do not play The Division."


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on June 16, 2017, 12:29:37 PM
Yes, sorry, I failed at clicking the right button.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Father mike on June 16, 2017, 12:50:42 PM
I think my strategy is to just wait enthusiastically to see if Anthem is better than Destiny2

Then wind up buying which ever one my friends do.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on June 16, 2017, 01:42:38 PM
Anthem is pretty, I'll give them that. I fear though that they're going to do the same exact bullshit that Bungie, Massive, et al have done with their shooter/looter games; re-invent the fucking wheel by making loot (good or bad) hard to get and hard to min-max. Massive took over a year to figure it out, same as Bungie and even Blizzard with D3. But even with the road well-paved by their predecessors, Bioware will try to do something stupid once again because "this time it'll be different, WE PROMISE. TRUST US!".  :uhrr:

Destiny, from what I've read and followed, seems to be in a good place right now. Bungie's just taking the old working systems and applying more polish and constructive user feedback for Destiny 2. That's where my money's at right now.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on June 16, 2017, 03:26:06 PM
I agree, betting on Version 2 is smarter than Version 1.  Greater chance of lessons learned.

If nothing else, I might get the remaining Destiny expansions on super-sale.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on June 16, 2017, 03:58:39 PM
Fuck min-maxing just plat the fucking game and enjoy the ride.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Rendakor on June 17, 2017, 10:50:51 AM
Fuck min-maxing just plat the fucking game and enjoy the ride.
Getting a platinum trophy usually requires some degree of min-maxing.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on June 17, 2017, 12:05:14 PM
only time I've ever given a shit about getting a platinum trophy was Horizon.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Strazos on June 19, 2017, 01:32:46 PM
Fuck min-maxing just plat the fucking game and enjoy the ride.

Think you meant to say "play."


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on June 19, 2017, 01:56:34 PM
Yeah, less than nimble fingers on a phone after two martinis.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: WayAbvPar on July 24, 2017, 05:20:55 PM
My buddy swears by D1. I tried the beta for 2 for about 5 minutes on my XBone. Pretty, but I will never be able to get past thumb aiming like a chimp. I may pick it up for PC if it looks good enough.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on July 25, 2017, 05:11:30 AM
Apparently people are hating that they can't rove around with a sniper rifle, rocket launcher, and a tactical nuke (or something OP) all at the same time anymore; you're now confined to one bad-ass weapon and two "lesser" weapons.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Rendakor on July 25, 2017, 09:03:41 AM
What counts as what weapon type? Before they had 3 categories: Primary (Scout/Pulse/Auto Rifle or Hand Cannon), Special (Shotgun, Sniper, Fusion, Pistol) and Heavy (Rocket launcher, Gatling Gun). If they combined Special and Heavy into 1 category and only allow one of that, plus 2 primary, that would be pretty stupid.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on July 25, 2017, 09:38:26 AM
What counts as what weapon type? Before they had 3 categories: Primary (Scout/Pulse/Auto Rifle or Hand Cannon), Special (Shotgun, Sniper, Fusion, Pistol) and Heavy (Rocket launcher, Gatling Gun). If they combined Special and Heavy into 1 category and only allow one of that, plus 2 primary, that would be pretty stupid.

That's exactly what happened.
Quote
The issue is again rearing its head with Destiny 2, which overhauls the traditional “primary/secondary/heavy” weapon loadout in favor of a setup that limits you to one “power” weapon—a shotgun, a sniper rifle, a rocket launcher, etc.—and gives you two slots for primary weapons like auto-rifles and handcannons. This makes PvP feel more fair and pleasant to play, but it’s led to a whole lot of concern about PvE, especially after the beta. How will it feel to have to pick a sniper rifle or a rocket launcher rather than being able to equip both at once? Will bosses be even worse bullet sponges when we’re mostly stuck with primaries? And why do all of the ability charge rates feel so slow?

http://kotaku.com/bungie-promises-destiny-2-pve-improvements-to-grumbling-1797128738


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Nebu on July 25, 2017, 11:38:43 AM
Oh look... an MMO struggling to balance PvE and PvP.  How novel.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Rendakor on July 25, 2017, 11:59:57 AM
What counts as what weapon type? Before they had 3 categories: Primary (Scout/Pulse/Auto Rifle or Hand Cannon), Special (Shotgun, Sniper, Fusion, Pistol) and Heavy (Rocket launcher, Gatling Gun). If they combined Special and Heavy into 1 category and only allow one of that, plus 2 primary, that would be pretty stupid.

That's exactly what happened.
Quote
The issue is again rearing its head with Destiny 2, which overhauls the traditional “primary/secondary/heavy” weapon loadout in favor of a setup that limits you to one “power” weapon—a shotgun, a sniper rifle, a rocket launcher, etc.—and gives you two slots for primary weapons like auto-rifles and handcannons. This makes PvP feel more fair and pleasant to play, but it’s led to a whole lot of concern about PvE, especially after the beta. How will it feel to have to pick a sniper rifle or a rocket launcher rather than being able to equip both at once? Will bosses be even worse bullet sponges when we’re mostly stuck with primaries? And why do all of the ability charge rates feel so slow?

http://kotaku.com/bungie-promises-destiny-2-pve-improvements-to-grumbling-1797128738
That's pretty stupid.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: kaid on July 26, 2017, 11:07:52 AM
I think they can make it work with tweaking some numbers for health but it did feel not ideal in beta on the pve strike currently.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on July 26, 2017, 03:22:14 PM
I was fine with the strike and the TTK for the most part in PVP as well. The weapon decision is a little dumb though. I get why they did it, but it's still dumb.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Fabricated on July 30, 2017, 09:09:54 PM
is it really that hard to just implement completely different rulesets for PVP and PVE


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Merusk on July 31, 2017, 07:14:54 AM
You want coders to do double work for single pay? You evil, rotten, spoiled gamebaby.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on July 31, 2017, 01:52:16 PM
I'm thinking back to what it would be like if I had to choose between carrying a shotgun or a rocket launcher during a Crota run.  Me no like.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on July 31, 2017, 10:47:23 PM
I'm thinking back to what it would be like if I had to choose between carrying a shotgun or a rocket launcher during a Crota run.  Me no like.

Totally. I'm really pissed about that. Sniping the boomers on the ledges and then switching to rockets to DPS Crota wouldn't be possible with the new setup.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on August 01, 2017, 12:45:14 PM
Maybe I'd buy an excuse related to team diversity, but the encounters would have to accommodate that.  I'd still have to figure out if I was Shotgun Dude or Icebreaker Lady.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Strazos on August 05, 2017, 09:23:53 AM
Has anyone else been seeing that you can swap between your console of choice, and PC, seemingly at will? So, for instance, you can do most of the content on PC, then swap over to PS4 for raids if most of your friends are on that platform.

At least, that's what I'm being told. I'm still trying to decide if essentially buying the game twice would really be worthwhile in order to play on both platforms.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on August 05, 2017, 02:54:23 PM
Has anyone else been seeing that you can swap between your console of choice, and PC, seemingly at will? So, for instance, you can do most of the content on PC, then swap over to PS4 for raids if most of your friends are on that platform.

At least, that's what I'm being told. I'm still trying to decide if essentially buying the game twice would really be worthwhile in order to play on both platforms.

Seems like a lot of work to make that happen. For all that effort, you think they'd just let console and PC co-exist, a la FFXIV.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Ginaz on August 05, 2017, 05:27:12 PM
Has anyone else been seeing that you can swap between your console of choice, and PC, seemingly at will? So, for instance, you can do most of the content on PC, then swap over to PS4 for raids if most of your friends are on that platform.

At least, that's what I'm being told. I'm still trying to decide if essentially buying the game twice would really be worthwhile in order to play on both platforms.

Seems like a lot of work to make that happen. For all that effort, you think they'd just let console and PC co-exist, a la FFXIV.

It's a little bit different for shooters.  M&K is vastly superior to a controller.  They'd have to either place some kind of handicap on M&K players or give an advantage for controllers to make things fair in pvp.  I can't think of a shooter game that allows cross platform play.  The only one that comes to mind was that shitty Shadowrun game, and that didn't work out very well.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on August 05, 2017, 07:46:30 PM
Or they could just allow consoles, which are essentially homogenized PCs these days, to be able to plug in a mouse and keyboard.

At least that's what I'd do. Not my fault scrubs don't want to learn to use a M&K; I've baked the support in. Get gud  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Rendakor on August 06, 2017, 11:48:05 AM
I would play my PS4 so much more if they allowed that. The funny thing is, at least on PS3, you can plug a keyboard in to type stuff in but not to play games.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on August 08, 2017, 01:59:56 PM
PS4 doesn't even support bluetooth headsets, so I'm not going to even think about keyboards.  I was happy to see that there was a HOTAS compatible with the PS4.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: 01101010 on August 08, 2017, 04:29:31 PM
PS4 doesn't even support bluetooth headsets, so I'm not going to even think about keyboards.  I was happy to see that there was a HOTAS compatible with the PS4.

My bluetooth keyboard connects to my PS4. I believe it is text typing only, no controls.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Father mike on August 25, 2017, 02:14:01 PM
Anyone in the Beta yet?  Impressions?

Edit:  Derp.  The beta did open today.  The today you can pre-load the game for Tuesday's Beta.  Fucking hype machine


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on August 25, 2017, 09:23:38 PM
It's pretty goddamn smooth.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on August 27, 2017, 06:23:51 AM
I pre-ordered back in...(looks up in the thread)...May, and I got my code a week later to punch in Bungie.net.

Haven't heard or received anything since then, so I logged into Bungie again. Found that I could finally link my Blizzard account to Bungie, and I found a section on Bungie's site that let me generate a code for Blizzard so I could pre-load.

HYPE  :drill:


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Ginaz on August 28, 2017, 12:30:12 AM
If you still haven't pre-purchased yet, and want to play on PC, you can get 18% off at Greenman Gaming.

https://www.greenmangaming.com/games/destiny-2-pc/


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on August 28, 2017, 04:03:47 AM
It's my understanding the early access goes live at 1PM EST today.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Gimfain on August 28, 2017, 04:42:18 AM
It's my understanding the early access goes live at 1PM EST today.
Beta for pre-purchase starts today, open beta on tuesday.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on August 28, 2017, 01:19:18 PM
I'm in, but I'm already dismayed that inverting my Y-axis isn't working.

/ragequit  :awesome_for_real:

Edit: Fixed it.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Trippy on August 28, 2017, 04:19:52 PM
So is the single-player stuff actually better than the original?


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: schild on August 28, 2017, 05:50:07 PM
also is it mostly still just bullet sponges and bullshit missions?

Edit: Also, is the loot actually like, really random this time?


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on August 28, 2017, 08:03:41 PM
Having never played Destiny 1, I can see how someone who's never played can get overwhelmed at the start, esp. if the starter mission that the beta starts you off with is the very first thing new players will do. There was no tutorial, tooltips, or anything that explained how to utilize class skills, superpowers, etc. One minor hand-holding when it came to picking up a new weapon, but that was it. Pretty standard FPS fare though.

In regards to random loot, yeah, no: http://www.pcgamer.com/destiny-2s-weapons-and-armor-wont-have-random-rolls/


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: schild on August 29, 2017, 11:31:17 AM
Then its dead to me.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Falconeer on August 29, 2017, 11:43:09 AM
Dead to me too. Why are they so fucking stupid?


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Nebu on August 29, 2017, 11:58:04 AM
Dead to me too. Why are they so fucking stupid?

Devs haven't learned that PvE and PvP don't mix.  STOP TRYING TO BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYONE! 

I'm out as well.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on August 29, 2017, 12:05:31 PM
I think I may be out as well. It's pretty as fuck, but that's not helping me see past the basic gameplay.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Falconeer on August 29, 2017, 09:03:05 PM
Bah. I tried it and while it's well done I got bored immediately. At least The Division had a cool New York (and just that).
Anyway, this makes me miss Hellgate London.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Gimfain on August 30, 2017, 01:25:24 AM
Combat movement felt really slow, nothing special about the gun play, enemies didn't feel interesting and the area design was linear. Biggest problem I had during the starter mission was that with everything glowing it was hard to know what to interact with, I ended up stuck because I had no clue there was a double jump and having to stand at the right spot to blow up generators.

Only positive thing I could say about the game is that its not a cover shooter.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Father mike on August 30, 2017, 01:18:11 PM
Soooooooo ... Anthem, AHOY !!!

(at least until all BioWare's disappointing design choices emerge)


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Rasix on August 30, 2017, 03:46:19 PM
This was pretty boring and bland. Not a great way to introduce someone new to the game.

I guess I'd play if a friend absolutely loved it or something, but right now I don't see a reason. I'd rather go back to Warframe or The Division.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Ginaz on August 30, 2017, 08:47:15 PM
This was pretty boring and bland. Not a great way to introduce someone new to the game.

I guess I'd play if a friend absolutely loved it or something, but right now I don't see a reason. I'd rather go back to Warframe or The Division.

I don't see how this is any better than Warframe, esp. with the upcoming open world expansion.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Pendan on August 31, 2017, 10:44:39 AM
For the 1% who care, a hour and half video of the story behind Destiny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2avSq-82oI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2avSq-82oI)

Too long for me to get through and I am left wondering why create such a convoluted complicated story for what  is NOT a role playing game. Somewhere near the half way point it starts talking about a big battle for a walled city. Why does a breach in the wall matter in a world with flight and space craft?


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Druzil on August 31, 2017, 12:07:45 PM
I like the first game well enough that I'm not going to brush this one off from a "beta" (demo) that was pretty light on content.  They even didn't let you play with half the game's systems.

The PC version isn't out for a few months anyways so I'll have plenty of time to see the console review before buying it.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on August 31, 2017, 05:01:16 PM
The one saving grace for me is they really know how to use Nathan Fillion for marketing purposes.

https://youtu.be/LSxElWwWVFE


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: schild on September 01, 2017, 01:32:44 AM
I feel like its worth reiterating that Bungie has never been a good developer. They pretty much suck ass.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Fabricated on September 04, 2017, 01:14:45 PM
Destiny works best on consoles because it has Bungie's extremely good console controls. Gunplay in Destiny 1 on PS4 felt great and I had a lot of fun with it.

There was not matchmaking for anything but strikes however and the hardest difficulty stuff was mostly just really boring exploit-encouraging nonsense. Oh ha, everything nearly one-shots you- time to farm up weapons that let you trivialize encounters, or stand in corners with your whole party and shoot through doors or exploit the AI in such and such a way, or whatever. No one ever gets difficulty right in the end.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Teleku on September 05, 2017, 04:41:41 AM
I feel like its worth reiterating that Bungie has never been a good developer. They pretty much suck ass.
Yeah, I just went back and looked at all the games they ever made.  Myth I and II are the only games they made that I can say I legitimately really liked.  Halo multiplayer with a ton of people in the room was fun back in the day for the same reason Golden Eye was, but the game its self was pretty meh.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Father mike on September 05, 2017, 01:45:32 PM
Halo 1 is one of those games that manages to be fun in spite of itself.  The maps in the single-player alone would have sunk a lesser game.  The horrible, endlessly-repeating-the-same-100ft-of-room-and-tunnel single player maps.  I remember somebody quipping "the main security measure against releasing the Flood was that anyone searching for them would just get bored and go home."


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Trippy on September 05, 2017, 01:52:42 PM
I remember spending most of my time in Halo 1 "gun-running" a la the early Counter-Strike betas cause of the weird ammo system.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on September 11, 2017, 09:30:55 AM
I am hearing mostly-good reports.  Might get this sooner instead of later.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: 01101010 on September 11, 2017, 09:42:32 AM
I caved and spent the weekend playing. Finished the story which was good but a tad short. Finishing the story opens up a bunch of post-game activities so there is still plenty of game left - it's also the only way to get a sparrow so I felt the NEED to grind through the story. Fast travel is ok, but there are some really long traverses between travel points that you need a sparrow.

It's pretty much a continuation of Destiny 1, which I am torn on. All the baddies are the same... same factions, same weapons, same tactics (though the Fallen melee are a bit more aggressive).That was nice to see all the familiar factions and how they fit and how to beat them.

But on the other hand, it is exactly the same as the last game... nothing new in terms of big bads. Basically just Destiny 1 with new maps and slightly different grind focus. I liked Destiny 1 well enough that I am not dissatisfied, but paying $60 for what amounts to a new map and voice packs for the first game is a tad groan-worthy.

A cool feature I really liked is when you start the game fresh, it loads in your accomplishments from Destiny 1, recaps what you did, when you did, and who you were with - pretty cool to see when I beat the story, raided, etc. Was a bit taken aback when I noticed this was back in 2014... FFS, 3 years already?


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on September 11, 2017, 11:25:13 AM
 :geezer:


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on September 12, 2017, 08:35:37 PM
Finished the story on two characters and am now running through the worlds after the red war. There's a lot of shit to do that wasn't there in the first game.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: murdoc on September 13, 2017, 09:22:00 AM
Guys, this game is a lot of FUN. The shooting just feels good, even with a controller.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Kageru on September 13, 2017, 04:26:45 PM

The premier game for handicapped systems?

Pretty much feel I got most of what this can offer out of warframe already, and if I wanted to a PvP shooter it would probably be over-watch.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on September 13, 2017, 08:50:43 PM
Yeah, no.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on September 14, 2017, 02:14:12 PM
Pretty much feel I got most of what this can offer out of warframe already

lol?


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: 01101010 on September 14, 2017, 03:00:29 PM
Gotta say, I'm liking this better than the first. I lost one of the guys who went into Destiny 1 (stupid ass is having a kid... I mean come on). So now I have to do strikes with strangers. The horror!


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Strazos on September 16, 2017, 04:21:27 PM
Even with a controller, the shooting just feels a lot tighter. And Destiny 1 was still pretty darn good for that.

I still have a PC version on pre-order as well, because...why not?  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Ginaz on September 17, 2017, 01:19:44 PM
Yeah, no.

With the upcoming Plains of Eidolon expansion for Warframe, I fail to see how Destiny 2 is better in any significant way.

https://www.warframe.com/news/tennocon-announcement-recap


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on September 17, 2017, 04:57:23 PM
Still no. Warframe’s shooting is still sloppier and bolting on some open-world shit isn’t going to help that.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Ginaz on September 17, 2017, 09:18:22 PM
Still no. Warframe’s shooting is still sloppier and bolting on some open-world shit isn’t going to help that.

I didn't find Destiny 2's shooting any better or worse than what I've played in Warframe, at least on the PC (might be different on console).  It's not like D2 is revolutionizing the FPS genre.  Besides, Warframe's expansion should bring it closer to what D2 has to offer WRT MMO like features.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on September 19, 2017, 08:21:05 AM
I played Warframe on PC and PS4.  Destiny 1 & 2 shooting is better.  Obviously there is room for opinion here.  Destiny isn't breaking new ground as a game, but the rooty-tooty-point-n-shooty is the best I've played.

I should probably mention that I favor the bow in Warframe.  Also Destiny swordplay is kinda ass.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Ginaz on October 15, 2017, 05:32:08 AM
I've been seeing a lot of negative reviews/videos about Destiny 2.  This one sums most of them up.  I hope it's not the case because I am looking forward to playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=276&v=Hv-GVirXDoQ


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on October 15, 2017, 06:57:57 AM
Debating on cancelling my preorder as well. Got kinda burned with the Division, and I'd really like to avoid a repeat. Still, it's hard to filter the reviews between people who played "just Destiny 1 Vanilla, no expansions" and the die-hard, been-with-it-forever reviews. The latter seem to be more disappointed with D2 because it's basically more of the same that they've already played and they don't understand why they had to buy a whole new game, while the former seem to enjoy the changes (even if the changes been around since The Taken King), but still feel unfulfilled.

I'm sure as someone who's never played it at all, I'll enjoy it for a time once it releases on PC (the PC port may also explain why sales for D2 are slumping compared to D1; #MasterRace folks are holding out for the better experience). And maybe by the time I get to the end-game and max out they'll have more content and address the issues they're having. Again, I've never played, but stuff like the change to shaders being a consumable and not a one-time-unlock-for-life (https://www.polygon.com/2017/9/7/16270446/destiny-2-shaders-consumable-microtransactions-bright-engrams) is just :uhrr: to me.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Trippy on October 15, 2017, 11:38:21 AM
I might get it in a few years. Right now it sounds like a worse game than Destiny with expansions except for a more cinematic single player campaign.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Kageru on October 15, 2017, 06:05:41 PM
Main impression I got is that it is just a destiny 1 refresh. Same mobs, classes, mechanics... just kicks everyone down to level 1, invalidates all the old content (but reuses some maps) and introduces a new bad (who will be dead by the end of the story). Still hasn't really solved how to make a shooter MMO with minimal class synergies not be repetitive shooting at bullet sponge enemies in the end game.

I cannot get over the armour though. A devoid of style combination of gridiron player, medieval knight and fridge.

I enjoyed this I Hate Everything (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqyco2NYBOs) commentary (from someone who played 60 days of destiny 1, so clearly did not hate that).


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on October 15, 2017, 10:46:07 PM
Bungie took the wrong cues from the wrong players and whiffed on this one.

D1 was significantly more fun and natural feeling than this one was. The story wasn't as laid out for you, but you had a lot more choices, activity-wise. The decision to change PVP dramatically and to allow those changes to hold sway over PVE was dumb. 4-on-4 is dumb, the absolute necessity in the current meta to stay grouped because 1 person versus 2 or more usually ends that single player's run rather quickly takes some of the fun out of being able run and gun with different weapon/skill combos. Everyone in Trials is using a fucking MIDA multi-tool because you're not competitive if you're not using it. The raid is the least fun, most mechanic heavy, least forgiving raid they've come up with so far. Worse than Hard Mode King's Fall. The margins for error if you don't have the right class/skill mixture are non-existent.

It's a mess.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Fabricated on October 16, 2017, 05:52:43 AM
I heard they fucked the raid up. A lot of people I know were frustrated with it. Everything else is pretty much Destiny 1 as far as I can tell outside of the loot-grind feeling a lot longer because only specific activities will give you gear notably above your current power level.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: 01101010 on October 16, 2017, 08:26:58 AM
IHMO, this is just basically a $60 expansion pack of D1 with a full character reset. New maps and new story, but everything else is like D1. I enjoy messing around with it, but when I play I can't get comfortable with the fact this game is full price. For full price, I'd expect more gameplay changes and new mobs to justify the expense... I got my money's worth, but probably not going to continue with the destiny series.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on October 16, 2017, 01:38:04 PM
There are a lot of new mobs. The skins may be similar but a lot of behaviors have changed. With probably the exception of the Taken and the Hive. There’s a lot of things to bitch about, but IMO, that’s not one of them.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: 01101010 on October 16, 2017, 03:48:11 PM
There are a lot of new mobs. The skins may be similar but a lot of behaviors have changed. With probably the exception of the Taken and the Hive. There’s a lot of things to bitch about, but IMO, that’s not one of them.

Did I miss some new fallen or cabal models? Yeah their behavior is a bit different but nothing ground breaking. But the fallen still have the dregs, vandals, captains, and servitors. Cabal has the same psions, grunts, commanders, bosses. Some new skins but I can't recall any really NEW models. I enjoyed the familiarity but just having a hard time justifying the full price. But that's me.



Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on October 17, 2017, 08:39:12 AM
I've been seeing a lot of negative reviews/videos about Destiny 2.  This one sums most of them up.  I hope it's not the case because I am looking forward to playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=276&v=Hv-GVirXDoQ

It didn't take long to get to the "I didn't play Destiny 1 either" and close the video.  If you didn't like Destiny. Destiny 2 isn't a different game.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on October 17, 2017, 08:44:08 AM
I'm having fun and I've spent more money on dumber things.  I'm not playing PvP and I haven't tried a raid.  I had to get into a group of "less responsible" players just to finish the raids in D1 so, eh.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: schild on October 17, 2017, 12:11:59 PM
how do you fuck up shooty shooty + loot


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Hawkbit on October 17, 2017, 02:18:29 PM
Flagship can also be used as a verb.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: MediumHigh on October 17, 2017, 03:10:56 PM
how do you fuck up shooty shooty + loot

focusing on the loot.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Rendakor on October 17, 2017, 04:59:50 PM
how do you fuck up shooty shooty + loot

focusing on the loot.
That's both incorrect and not what happened in Destiny 2.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: schild on October 17, 2017, 05:15:56 PM
how do you fuck up shooty shooty + loot

focusing on the loot.
this is the worst possible answer of tons of possible answers


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on October 18, 2017, 01:13:27 AM
how do you fuck up shooty shooty + loot

focusing on the loot.
That's both incorrect and not what happened in Destiny 2.

Bingo. They standardized the loot in the name of fairness to the filthy casuals and then catered the rest of the game to the worst instincts of the hardcores.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Nebu on October 18, 2017, 08:36:43 AM
Listening to the 'hardcores' usually leads the wrong direction.  I'm looking at you, Wildstar!


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on October 18, 2017, 11:24:29 AM
I suppose there are a ton of things wrong with Destiny 2 but none of them are getting in the way of my rooty-tooty-point-and-shooty.  OK, maybe the story is, but that's not specifically a Destiny problem.  When I stop having fun, I'll do something else.  Have you all learned nothing?


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on October 18, 2017, 11:45:35 AM
I've learned that my money is valuable, and that I don't like rewarding those that haven't learned from either their mistakes or the mistakes of their predecessors/competition.

I pulled my pre-order. Waiting a year for the devs to iron shit-out seems better in this case.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: 01101010 on October 18, 2017, 03:06:59 PM
I like it enough. Guess I don't see games as an investment as much as I see it as a distraction. I play it enough for it to equal what I paid for it and possibly more. Once I get bored with it, I move to the next one. I'm not looking for the next ground breaking game because I'm too old to wait for that type of nirvana to come around again.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Kageru on October 18, 2017, 03:15:07 PM

We are not exactly short of mechanically capable "shoot the target in a 3d space game", and from what I've seen of Bungie's business practices they're fairly determined to make sure it is an investment with a season pass and paid DLC to drip feed out that content.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Rendakor on October 18, 2017, 08:48:56 PM
Since I just learned they added RMT lootboxes to Destiny 1; are they here in Destiny 2?


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Surlyboi on October 18, 2017, 10:20:57 PM
They are in Destiny 2 as well. But after hitting level 20, you get one every time you gain enough experience for another level.

I haven’t stopped playing. I’ll continue to play it as there are chunks of it that are a lot of fun. I’m just not gonna run weekly raids like I did with D2. Hell, even Iron Banner isn’t fun after the rewards are tapped out. Fuckin’ esports bullshit.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on October 19, 2017, 02:33:38 PM
I have far more money that time, so don't use me as a yardstick if your situation is different.  I've already long forgotten about that $60.

The only thing that I actually find annoying about Destiny 2 is that the tints are consumable, and I somehow end up with 3 of anything and so would have to pick some armor to NOT tint.

As Surly pointed out, though, you get a lootbox of customization stuff every time you level after 20.  It isn't onerous at all.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Rendakor on October 19, 2017, 07:40:12 PM
The lootboxes are just cosmetic? That's certainly less offensive.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on October 20, 2017, 11:10:59 AM
I've only found paintjobs and ship models.  No usable equipment.  I'm not sure you can use silver coins (the RMT currency) to buy equipment at all.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Yegolev on October 20, 2017, 11:14:26 AM
To answer the question from the Useless thread, the contents of Bright Engrams are indeed random.  Random paint jobs and other whosits.  Like teleport effects, so you can arrive on the surface the same way that the Fallen do.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: 01101010 on October 20, 2017, 11:19:02 AM
Bright Engrams you get for leveling up past 20 or buying from the store contain cosmetic armor that you can then upgrade to your power level. You can also get better sparrows and better looking ships with custom graphics. About the most useful thing you can buy from Eververse are the tokens that increase drop chances. You can either buy dust from the store or break down the stuff you get from the bright engrams for dust and buy those. I usually keep 5-8 token in my inventory for the weekends when I can get on for a few hours.


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: Ginaz on October 21, 2017, 10:18:12 AM
Looks like the player base has dropped dramatically on PS4 since launch.  Hopefully people are just leaving the peasant version because they plan to join the Master Race next week but I'm not counting on it.

https://www.gamewatcher.com/news/2017-19-10-destiny-2-playerbase-has-dropped-by-over-2-million-users-since-launch


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: luckton on October 21, 2017, 10:55:34 AM
I've read that a number of PS4 players in particular are pissed that they can't access "The Tower" without crashing half of the time. They did finally fix it just last week, but still...I thought the PS4 was supposed to be the premier platform for D2 to be on?


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: 01101010 on October 21, 2017, 08:08:11 PM
Can attest to that. I had several occasions of zoning into a black screen and having to restart the game. Didn't really do much but annoy me...


Title: Re: Destiny 2
Post by: EWSpider on October 22, 2017, 07:21:45 AM
Looks like the player base has dropped dramatically on PS4 since launch.  Hopefully people are just leaving the peasant version because they plan to join the Master Race next week but I'm not counting on it.

https://www.gamewatcher.com/news/2017-19-10-destiny-2-playerbase-has-dropped-by-over-2-million-users-since-launch

I got my 3 characters above 300 light, went flawless a few times in Trials, and attempted the raid a few times.  As someone already mentioned the raid is less pleasant than ass cancer.  I no longer have much desire to play.  Don't get me wrong I feel like I got my money's worth and enjoyed playing it, but it's definitely very shallow at the moment.  I had originally been planning to get the PC version, but now I think I'm going to wait.  I started playing Warframe in the meantime and I'm hooked.