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I am sad so I started this thread.

Just had 5 of my players DIE in a game, with my high TV Skaven team. I saved one with an apoth (-1 AGI), but the rest are gone. I think it's time to retire the team.

The other guy also had two guys killed.

Wow, I was hoping to at least have some players in the running for a category of best player thanks to killing a couple of Haem's nancy boys. Looks like Season 3 is going to be a LOT bloodier than season 2.

Fiive DEATHS?  :ye_gods:

That would have been quite an amusing replay to watch with the original TeamSpeak commentary added...

Shit, I feel lucky Sky only killed 2 of my linemen. 5 deaths? Fuck me.

Haemish, how many games into the season before you punch a hole in your screen?

His mic was too low for Mumble, so I couldn't hear him. I took mine off lest it just be evil chuckling through the whole match.

My thrower, hired exclusively to be a lineman who can earn a leader reroll for only 20k TV, just levelled for the first time and rolled a double 6, and I wasn't about to turn that down.


Now I have to work out whether to hire a second thrower for leader, or use the second skill on my +STR thrower.

You see my life is hard I have problems.

A thrower with 4STR is too good for words. I have one in my Orc team in the Orca Cola, and every guy I play against starts whining about that as soon as the match starts. Oh, now he has block too...

Alive not Dead is the most experienced team in the league and yet I still do not have a stat up  :heartbreak:

My monitor is too expensive to replace for such frivolities. I will, however, be hating my opponent to death with my mind.

I wondered why my cat had his hackles up.

I mostly took my thrower to have someone with safe hands. Imagine my surprise that I became a throwing team somehow. Not that I plan on continuing that, since it's based on way too much luck at AG3.

Don't you have a werewolf with 9 MA? Hell of a stat up.

In case of confusion this was not my league team, just a MM one, but I was still attached to them.

The last death came on turn 16, at a kickoff event, when a fan threw a rock from the crowd. At some point you have to realize Nuffle hates you and just smile about it.

9 MA is nice, but I was hoping for +Str for someone... 

That or Agil increase on a ghoul :awesome_for_real:

I gotta say, despite winning my first two games and getting very lucky on the cash front (I had 170k after two games, starting from 30k, which is I'm pretty sure is the maximum possible winnings), I am pretty disappointed at my team's glacial SPP development -- especially after seeing all the 4-0 / 6+ casualty games going on. I think I've managed a single skill up so far, and it's not like there's a ton of players sitting at 4-5 SPP either. At this rate I will end up facing The Other Necro team (my second to last game vs. Llyse) with an even greater skills defecit than when the season started, which does not bode well for my team's grandiose playoff ambitions.

Guess I just gotta make sure to punch a lotta skinks this week.

I just played a Necro team with +str and block on both his stupid fat dudes. Lucky bum.

Beat the crap out of him though, 6 casualties, 4-5 KOs. With Goblins...

I think considering my team played 9 games so far, it's probably the most underdeevloped SPPs wise. Considering how many games I played my team is greatly underdeveloped, due to low scoring, low passing and not much killing. Yeah, I'm whining, dammit. Besides, look at Llyse's team XP compared to the second one. Ridiculous, man. Just ridiculous.


(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/bbXP.png)

How many players did you lose though Falc?

I lost my ghoul in my first turn of the first game I played off a failed dodge and earned my exp after that tragic day through flair and hard work after that!  :drill:

Yesterday I had my Orca Cola League match, I play Orcs and I had 6 casualties, and combined with KOs I had 14 players leaving the field before in the 16 turns. I finished the match with 5 orcs on the pitch. ORCS!
When it goes like that, alt+tabbing is your only friend, and the only thing you want to do with the SA article or the LRB is wiping your ass. Still, the love for the game is somewhat stronger, and I keep playing knowing that Nuffle will eventually love me again at some point.

Another person who can't stand losing and decide to be a dick. This is not fun.

What am I looking at, a foul train?

The other player DCed it looks like, but I am not sure why.

Other player had his team cleared from the pitch, and was unhappy about it.

Isn't Lamaros the downed skavens? It looks like there are plenty of chaos dudes on the pitch still.

Oh, I have no idea what's going on then.

I think whats going on is the old "Im getting my ass kicked some I'm going to disconnect and the reconnect at 4 mins 45 seconds over and over while hoping you get pissed enough to quit."

But lamaros is the one losing. Why would Chaos keep connecting?

Dammit, lamaros. Come back and explain this.

Can anybody read french?  Maybe that will explain it!

Between this and Eldaec's stat post in the other thread, I guess the new BB trend is to post something out of context with no explanation, then run away while everybody spends half a page trying to figure it out.   :awesome_for_real:

It's a team building exercise!

Just so long as there are no Trust Falls....

Ah. Sorry for the confusion.

My team is the Skaven one. The Chaos player had been taking my guys off quite a bit, but he decided to stall to his last turn to stop me scoring and failed to protect the ball well enough. I hit it free on the 7th turn and I am halfway through it, I think about to move a GR I have at the bottom of the field up to mark/pick up the ball.

He screwed his chance to score, with a better chance of me scoring before the half is over, and I am receiving in the second half. So he screwed up the connection (caused sync issues, a new one for me) and the game ended up getting recorded as a nothing.

13 f13 league matches so far.  11 times, a zombie was named MVP.   :heartbreak:

This is my favorite post in the entire subthread so far.

I just played a Feeder league game of Undead vs High Elf.

He had 3 badly hurts and a Smashed Collarbone and a broken back. 0 successful regenerations.  :ye_gods:

The High elves had 0 casualties and scored two in a row after I had scored the first 2 TDs...  :uhrr:

No fucken wonder Cad and Ginaz hate undead...

So much for being noob friendly.   :why_so_serious:

Played a league game in another forum's tournament last night. Lizards vs Dwarfs (I was the Lizard player). In the entire game I managed to beat the Dwarf armour value exactly twice and only managed to get stunned results for my trouble. He threw 58 blocks, was successful in almost 75% of them and only had one turnover all game. Meanwhile my Skinks failed 7 out of 8 dodge rolls.

whine.

OHNOES http://www.playthegamereadthestory.com/bbleague/

(My "L"GS, about 45 minutes away but all we've got)

Uh? What is that, Sky?

I crossposted from the miniatures thread. Short version: I'm hoping to sell my magic cards to that store in trade for some store credit for paints and maybe some minis (this year my goal is to get back into painting minis, check out the amazing thread in the pen & paper forum with sickly talented people mostly from the f13 BB league...Iain is ridiculous). Thus far I've only been poking around their store portion, but poking around the main site, I see they have a little BB league started up, I'm guess store-owned painted teams given the setup.

LGS = Local gaming store, L in quotes because it's not exactly around the corner from me.

You forgot to mention the part where I pressed End Turn by mistake. Twice! And still managed a draw. Nuffle was smiling on me tonight.

I've made Wilson's Beard entirely to make the feeder league a harder place to level up players without them dying.  Accept my challenges!

Speaking of Wilson's beard, go sign up for the fantasy baseball.

Wohoo, thanks, hadn't noticed yet!

I am so tired of my Khemri team losing to teams that make endless, stupid mistakes and then are rescued by the dice time and time again. Last game: 38 knock downs, 1 armour break. I don't care if it was orcs, that's just ridiculous.

There was a BB-relevant Penny Arcade recently, this is probably the best thread for it:

How exactly is this BB-related?

It's about how people react to losing games like this. I know I struggle against being dude #3.

yep.

I've definitely felt like #3 sometimes.

It's nice to have a whining thread to avoid going full neckbeard

I'm #2!  :awesome_for_real:

During my time playing Games Workshop games of all ilk, I have been all 3.

Some people are good sports, some are really fucking bad.

I couldn't find anybody in the feeder league, so I picked up my old Human team from the public league and started a game against a Nurgle team. Managed to get a really good start by knocking one of his players out with the ball 2 steps from his endzone and one of my catchers ready to pick it up for the score next turn. No big deal, the damage against his player wasn't that bad and it was only turn 3 or so. He abandons the match. WHAT? At least I kept the SPP's but why the fuck wouldn't you finish the game? Douche.

Second game was against a dwarf team and frankly this guy was one of the best sports ever. I beat him like a goddamn drum. 6-0. He got the ball in my half like once. I have NEVER inflicted so many injuries. I killed 1 slayer, and injured 4 others. By the time the game was over, he had 5 dwarves left on the pitch. It was awful for him. I even got arrogant and managed to inflict a stupid injury on my own guy racing through a tackle zone so he'll miss next game. But the guy stuck it out.

I don't think abandoning a match automatically equates to "poor sport".  I was mulling over abandoning a match between my young vamps and Teleku's dwarves because of early injuries and KOs to the thralls.  It was nearing the point of being unplayable, with the chance of me having the remaining upright members of my team picking up injuries, either from the dwarves or from bloodlust,  quite high.  Fortunately things picked up a bit for me and we were able to finish off the game, but protecting your team from further harm in an obvious loss is a valid reason for capitulation in my eyes.

Note that I'm not saying the nurgle team was right in this case; just saying it is a valid outcome sometimes.

We were 3 turns in, he'd had one casualty (a rotter) and I would have scored 1 TD. Unless he was only going to play if he won with a clean sheet, I think it was pretty bad sportsmanship.

Conceding a game you have no chance of winning is supported by the rules and I wouldn't call someone a bad sportsman just on that basis. I'd take the free win and money and smile most likely. Of course, the rules weren't written with anonymous strangers in mind, and if you actually want to play a game then having someone just give up on turn three is no fun at all. Which is why I try not to play anonymous strangers.

There is this awesome bug in the game where you get random CTDs upon entering things into the chat window. It is really awesome to be arbitrarily punished for trying to be sociable during a game. Just lost what would have likely been a hard-fought draw with my Khemri team because I was busy bantering with my opponent instead of just never talking like some kind of asocial zombie.

The ratings-based match making kind of messes with the game in a lot of ways, it isn't really designed to be played that way. The free MVPs, TDs, money, etc., are not real exciting in the MM leagues because they just mean your next opponent will be that much nastier, and people can (and do) just drop games to avoid playing bashy teams where they're more likely to get hurt without a real consequence.

Some people definitely overdo it, but I am sympathetic to people who don't want to spend another hour playing a game that they are not enjoying at all. It would be nice if they actually said so in chat before dropping, though.

Well I just lost my first ever matchmaking game with a Skaven team in dramatic, murderously punitive fashion. 15 armour breaks resulted in 7 casualties, 4 KOs, and 4 stuns, including Dead results on both my Stormverin after I had already used up my apothecary. I went 9/13 on wild animal rolls, 16/25 on dodges, and a glorious 4/10 on KO recovery, managing to start almost the entire second half of the game with 4-5 players on the field. Meanwhile my opponent did not turn over a single time, failing only one GFI and rolling 43% sixes.

A helpful graph:

That said I only lost 3-2 and I did manage to score a hilarious 3-turn td with only 4 players, which included a turn of stalling as my 10MV gutter runner ran perpendicular to the end zone, outpacing two ghouls, only to be rewarded for his diligence by the murder of the second stormverin.

All in all this has left me with the most ridiculously lopsided team I've yet fielded. My Rat Ogre has rolled two doubles (Block, Claw), my thrower has rolled doubles once (Strong Arm), and I have a single Gutter Runner with 41 SPP after 5 games. Everyone else is level 1, except my one other Gutter Runner, who just got his first skill. (He is a replacement for a GR who was killed by a rock in the team's first game.)

Which is to say, god damnit that was a nightmarish game, but Skaven sure are fun to play.

Wow, that's just cruel. Did your opponent sleep with Nuffle or something?  :why_so_serious:

What he said. "gg" in chat before giving me free TD and MVP points is always welcome.

Man I just had the most unnecessarily stressful game, playing my Khemri against a Skaven team consisting of a Rat Ogre, two Gutter Runners, and a bunch of linerats. After a run of mildly poor luck massively compounded by some questionable decision making concerning what to do with his Rat Ogre, my opponent managed to get the poor thing Badly Hurt trying to dodge around on the sidelines to avoid being pushed out. He immediately used his apothecary, keeping the RO in the game, which made sense given my huge strength advantage. But he had managed to turn over -- one of my Tomb Guardians made an interception, which was typical of his luck -- and the next turn I pushed one of his linerats out of bounds, KOing it.

At this point he began to get on my case for 'raping' his team -- he named his Rat Ogre 'Gang Bang Leader', by the way, casting an extra-uncharitable light on his Internet patois -- and basically accusing me of trying to, I dunno... win or something? He seemed to think that it was gratuitous for me to potentially injure one of his players with the push-out, seeing as it was 0-0 on turn 4, I was playing Khemri against Skaven, and therefore my win was absolutely guaranteed. When I pointed out that he had one player KOed and no casualties at all, he spat back 'I HAVE NO APOTH' and proceeded with his 'I cannot believe you are such a bastard to be playing to win, you mercenary fucker' attitude.

Given my recent history with my own Skaven team I was like 'wtf?' in chat and basically told him he was playing Skaven and he might need some perspective. I suggested he could Abandon if he really wanted, and it wouldn't bother me, after he said something like 'people like you aren't worth playing.' The whole thing was just completely unbelievable on all levels.

In any case he decided to stick it out and proceeded to nearly win the game -- both his GRs had Dauntless/Block, a rather troublesome combination against my higher-strength, blockless team. I failed to pick up the ball 3 consecutive turns with my Thro-Ra, allowing him to score, and my final drive to eventually win was very sketchy -- as is most of my Khemri play, the team being 1-0-5 prior to this game. The whole remainder of the game I caused two casualties, one a MNG, whereas he nearly killed my Thro-Ra on the blitz that got him the score (thank goodness for Regeneration) and sent a skeleton out for the next game as well.

The point being, it was a really exciting and hard-fought game that would have been a total pleasure except that this guy started off by being a total, irrationally-whiny dick. If he had just never talked I would have had fun -- if he had the slightest capacity for irony about his shitty luck, it would have been even more fun. So fuck that guy, I wish he had abandoned.

venting done.

Well, he certainly makes the case for needing a method by which you could smack a bitch through the internet.  People like him are the reason I hate playing games online with strangers.

I played 1080TV Wood Elves against 1630TV Humans and was well on my way to a 2-1 victory when the game disconnected. I have never hated Cyanide and their ridiculously incompetent programmers so much. How fucking hard is it be to code in the ability to resume a fucking board game? How can you not plan for that? Not anticipate that people would want to do that?

That is by far the biggest problem with the game, you can't rejoin a game in progress if the full client crashes. Totally stupid.

Played my first OCC game today, Dark Elves (me) vs. Amazons. I broke armour on blocks 4 times in the entire game, achieving my only KO on a foul -- the amazons hurt themselves more frequently failing to Dodge (twice.) Despite these bizarre results I managed to pull of a 2-1 win, which would certainly have not qualified this game for the Whinging Thread except...

... that on the meaningless turn 16 after my winning score, the Amazons managed to -str one of my linemen and then straight up Dead one of my blitzers. On the two last blocks of the game.

Thanks, Nuffle.  :heartbreak:

Blitzer should not have been in blitz range.  :oh_i_see:

No, definitely not -- I moved him there to cover against a mass foul on the linesmen (which would certainly have occured if not for my opponent taking pity after the death), but it was a bad decision for sure.

I'm in the OCC too IceCream. What League are you in?

Played Bann last night in the feeder league. My Lizards vs his Orcs. Holy crap what a terrible game! I was 1-0 down after the first half thanks to Orcs that thought they were Elves - dodging and throwing the ball around. I set up to receive in the second half and just couldn't do anything right. It was 2-0 after a few turns after a desperate, extreme range block from the Orcs took down a Skink runner who was within a turn of the Orc endzone left the ball free, the Orcs then passed the ball like they were Wood Elves and scored on the rebound. Then my last ditch attempt to score a consolation TD ended up with a fumble that scattered into the hands of an Orc who dodged again to score a third right on the whistle. My Skinks couldn't dodge let alone throw or catch, my Sauri couldn't block and every time the Orcs threw a block dice a Lizard hit the floor.

Might be interesting if people upload with BBM for the feeder league.

It's my first season so I'm in div 8A. Looked like a nice easy division until somebody let AndyDavo join at the last minute to cramp my Dark Elf style.

What is this OCC you speak of?

http://www.orca-cola.com/forum/

It's a very nice League. I am in 5A, but not because I earned anything. It's my second season and I was in 7A last year, so I guess I just climbed up thanks to old people leaving (and lots of new coming, if there's an 8h tier). Last year I got 4th, not a bad result out of ten. Last night I got my orc bashed to a pulp by an equal TV Nurgle team. I got one killed, about 5 casualties (against) and a bunch of KOs. My last 4 official matches between f13 and OCC have been pathetic. Nuffle should take a fucking break on me.

If you sponsor me for the next season I will put in a good word with nuffle for you.

Similar question; anyone in the OCC want to vouch for my application? I'd like to apply at some point in the near future.

i can do. just let me know

So I have a skill-use question:

Juggernaut - when I use it in-game (and I have it set to ASK me to use it), I am presented with a box with the skills, with checks and such next to them. Juggernaut can be toggled to 3 or 4 different settings at the moment I throw the blitz...

What I would like to know is - how can I decide to Not invoke the skill, and when folks are prompted to use a skill or not in a block, who gets last choice? I wouldn't want to turn off Juggernaut, just to have the guy elect to use wrestle or something. Mainly, problem is in SP there have been times I wanted to ignore Juggernaut to use a both down, but couldn't figure it out.

Think the defender gets last choice. Not 100% though.

Either way. If they have wrestle, always assume they will choose the one you don't want them to.

So, even though Juggernaut has the option to ignore wrestle on a blitz, a BD will not get the defender down because Juggernaut treats BDs as pushes - is that correct?

Never tested it, but I assume that if you choose not to use Juggernaught then you don't get to ignore the wrestle, so it's either a push or wrestle. But I don't know, so you might want to test it.

Ok then, I just need to figure out how to turn off Juggernaut when I am blitzing against someone without block and I get a BD when I have block - I'd rather not waste it by using it as a push.

EDIT: Also, unrelated, how do you guys feel about your bench - How many extras do you tend to keep? Trying to decide if/how to trim TV.

It really depends on your team. Low AV teams or teams with very cheap Linemen are better off with more subs, for inevitably-required replacement or inevitably-advantageous fouling respectively. But I think long term any well-developped team is going to want at least 13, maybe 14 players, if they can afford them.

Personally, I already cut one zombie, but I believe I'm still at 13.

4gr
1ro
2blitzer
2thrower
4-5linerats

13-14 total. I wouldn't want more unless I start to get some good rolls on my linerats (mutations).

I won't go above the 12 I have unless I go insane and buy a death roller, then I'll want it to be the 14th player so I have a little more control over when it actually hits the field.

Since the start of season 2, I don't think I've ever had the chance to buy an extra player for the bench.  I've lost so many dead I've rarely even had a full lineup.  I'm currently running with 2 loner's right now.   :awesome_for_real:

My plan has been to have 14 players so I can foul with impunity.  So far my fouling has been mostly derailed by lack of bodies.  But I finally, finally have 14 'healthy' players for the next game.  It only took a full season plus a game.   :ye_gods:

Now I'm accumulating money and I don't know what to do with it... :|

Kind of considering a Troll, but at this point that would massively balloon my TV.

Saving up money is not bad, presumably eventually you will get getting really screwed on income by spiraling expenses, and having a big bankroll will help the team be able to afford replacement players after people inevitably die.

Can someone explain how spiraling expenses work? I'm about to 1750 (or already passed it).

What's the most annoying skills to play against? I'm thinking block/dodge/sidestep/guard/tackle? Maybe shadow or diving tackle instead?

At 1750, you lose -10000 off of your winnings. At each threshold after that, you lose another 10k, eventually you get to the point where you're rarely getting any money at all (though we're not likely to hit that territory for a long while.)

What's the TV increment? I could be at 2k TV right now.

Not sure off the top of my head. Probably in the rulebook!

I'm pretty sure it is specified for each league -- you can have larger increments or smaller ones, depending on the effect you want to produce.

And Comstar, the most annoying skill is clearly Diving Catch. In fact you should give it to all of your amazons, before you even bother with things like Block.

+1 str  :-P

I cut a crippled lineorc last season, even though replacing him cost my entire treasury. Better than having him suck up any SPP...and his replacement leveled in the next game. Heck, I'm still tempted to cut my Wrestle lineorc because I've used wrestle 0.0 times, can't seem to get him into position. Sucks because he's about to hit level 3. My lineorcs, they level well. Might keep him if he gets an interesting roll.

150k

You mean 150? Don't think anyone is getting 150k TV.  :oh_i_see:

TV is measured in thousands actually!

Which is why I can never figure out how much to put in the box for team inducements.

STUPID UI -- I just needed to add 10(000) for a Wizard!

Actually no. You'd have to add 150,000 - if you are 140k behind your opponent in TV, and kick in 10k, your TV goes up by 10k, and you only get 130k in inducements.

Ah well, then I guess I may have successfully blown 10K then (or may not have -- I had no idea). That also seems like a UI failure that I can whinge about.

I assume that if you have the greater TV, and then add petty cash...that your opponent is duly compensated?

Also, completely unrelated, but...

If someone is using diving tackle (with the prompt on), if they select to use it on a given dodge but before the dodge reroll....how does that work? Are you forced to use it on the reroll as well, or do you have the option to see what they roll on the reroll?

ayup

So, that pretty much means there's almost no reason to spend cash as the higher-TV team?

Correct.

There might be specific circumstances where you want a wizard and you don't care what it gets the other player, that sort of thing. But for the most part you wouldn't want to, yeah.

Not really. You spend cash when you think that what you can buy will be more useful to you than the same amount would be to your opponent. Bribes for a Secret Weapon or a foul-oriented team is probably the most obvious example, but even a babe for a lower AV team may seem worthwhile.

Of course generally the best time to spend petty cash is when your TV is moderately lower than your opponent's, but you want a higher cost item. For example, if your TV is 40 below, that 40k you get for free won't get you shit -- but if you spent 100k, then you could buy an extra apoth and your opponent would only get 60k out of it. The TV difference becomes a margin of inducement-oriented advantage -- if you're down 80k then tossing in 150k for a wizard will still only net your opponent a babe. And a wizard vs. a babe is probably a better deal than a babe vs. nothing.

It only applies to one of the rolls, is my understanding, so you can't use it on the reroll. This makes using Diving Tackle on an initial dodge roll for a Dodge-skilled player something of a risk.

This is not verified through actual play, though, since I have yet to play a game with a Diving Tackle player.

here's a fun one: the one double on skillup i've rolled so far for my lizards is on a skink with str 1  :heartbreak:

Cracked the rulebook the other day - this is, in fact, how it actually works.

Coincidentally it is why diving tackle is so glorious on someone who already has tackle - damn my linemen and their failure to roll doubles so far.

If they survive long enough, my runners will be amazing safeties. Does tackle work if they're simply dodging out into open space, or does it only work if they're dodging Through a TZ?

Only the former, IIRC.

Tackle stops them from using the Dodge skill if they move out of one of your tackle zones, regardless of where they're going, and also stops Dodge from making a Defender Stumbles into a Pushed. If they don't have Dodge, it does nothing.

Of course - wanted to make sure I had the synergy between Tackle and Diving Tackle understood correctly - one chance to dodge, with an option to force the dodge at -2. Now, I wonder what happens if it's a clumsy player dodging and they need a 5 or 6, roll a 6, and I elect to use Diving Tackle to bring that down to a 4...6's usually auto-succeed, but I'm bringing it down after the roll...still SOL? Also, because I never really looked, but does tackle both negate dodge AND the +1 that goes with any dodge (even if the player lacks the skill).

Pretty amazing that I'm waiting until halfway through season 3 to ask these questions.  :oh_i_see:

Natural 6 always succeed.

Yeah the 6 will always work regardless. Tackle doesn't stop them getting their +1 on the agi roll, that's just for dodging, not from Dodge with a Capital D.

Also, Tackle cancels the free reroll from Dodge, but it doesn't prevent the coach from using a team reroll instead. Dodge is useful for making multiple dodges, less important (but still helpful) dodges, or important dodges when you are out of rerolls -- but it doesn't make you any more likely to succeed at a crucial dodge when you have a reroll to spend anyways.

It's more helpful for not being knocked down than for movement in a lot of cases, yeah.

For whatever reason, stupid BBL is not updating, so I cannot go and look at up-to-date team and league stats.  :oh_i_see:

5 dead in one game. Five. Not even snotlings or skinks or goblins - Skaven. Including a block rat ogre and a blitzer. Just... bizzare. And one of those deaths was apothed... to dead...

I've had the dead to dead happen, it is always sad when that happens. Makes you wonder what you pay the bastard for!

According to various cyanide threads, and every BB strategy site, diving tackle modifiers do apply to rerolls if used on the first roll.

Sequence is...

First roll.
Choose whether to apply DT (you'd only do it if it would cause a turnover ofc)
If failed decide whether to reroll.
Roll reroll.
Apply DT if already used or choose whether to use it if not used yet.

What's the deal with mighty blow? I thought to added to armor rolls, but I'm reading the log here and it is only getting added to injury rolls...

We figured it out in another thread, it only shows in the log as adding to the armor roll if you needed it to break armor, if you break armor by more than the needed amount it adds to the injury roll, if you didn't come within 1 it doesn't show at all.