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Title: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Mrbloodworth on January 09, 2010, 01:41:35 PM
"All your murlocs are belong to us" Bitches. (http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/265190/page/1)

I can't WAIT for the PVP tears! (Unless blizzard cops out and makes gun +800 DPS, bullshit)


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in Merlock milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Venkman on January 09, 2010, 01:51:26 PM
How'd you spell murloc right in the thread but not in the subject? *wink* (and while I'm at it anyway: "wait". The e is both silent... and invisible).

Otherwise, just a rumor for now but I'd love to see them take on this genre. It can't be a straight up FPS (cannabalistic), and I'd argue the distance between MW2 and a full MMOFPS is not as much as older FPSes were. But just having them consider this, and with a new IP to boot, would be nice. I've wanted a serious company with a serious budget and good talent to try MMOFPS since Planetside.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in Merlock milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Kail on January 09, 2010, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: for people too lazy to click through
Information obtained (which are from someone inside, near that project) sustain that the next MMO from Blizzard would be in part a FPS. It would be in a futuristic universe. That will be a clear change from MMORPG like World of Warcraft.

In this new MMO, each players would have 2 "life": It's first would be a sort on Sims Online, big hub with social interactions and the possibility to connect yourself to a second life. That second life would be the combat part in subjective view (third person perhaps).

I dunno, sounds good to me, at least.  "Sci-fi + FPS + Blizzard" sounds good to me.  Though I'm not nuts about the way "massive" is separated from what I assume would be most of the gameplay.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in Merlock milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Venkman on January 09, 2010, 01:58:02 PM
Yea, when I read another article about this the other day, I got a Huxley vibe from it. Which is not good. But unless this turns out to be some new group like Blizzard Austin, I feel safe getting excited about it for now.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in Merlock milk. (Rumor)
Post by: schild on January 09, 2010, 01:59:14 PM
This strikes me as unlikely, but frankly, speculating about Blizzard products is a waste of goddamn time.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in Merlock milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Mrbloodworth on January 09, 2010, 02:41:59 PM
How'd you spell murloc right in the thread but not in the subject? *wink* (and while I'm at it anyway: "wait". The e is both silent... and invisible).

Otherwise, just a rumor for now but I'd love to see them take on this genre. It can't be a straight up FPS (cannabalistic), and I'd argue the distance between MW2 and a full MMOFPS is not as much as older FPSes were. But just having them consider this, and with a new IP to boot, would be nice. I've wanted a serious company with a serious budget and good talent to try MMOFPS since Planetside.

Me too, but I loved Planetside. So if this turns out to not be a rumor, I hope, they took some notes.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Tarami on January 09, 2010, 02:46:10 PM
They're going to combine my two favorite games, Quake and Sims? This just has to fail or there's isn't enough evil in this world.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Venkman on January 09, 2010, 03:12:48 PM
It won't fail. It'll either be focused into one specific type of game, or it'll get cancelled.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: schild on January 09, 2010, 04:13:00 PM
It can't fail if it's bullshit.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Hawkbit on January 09, 2010, 05:05:22 PM
I'm not even sure it matters.  By the time it comes out I'll be wearing grampons and eating through a straw. 


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Malakili on January 09, 2010, 07:13:21 PM
We will find out just in time for my children to graduate college, I can hardly wait for the celebration.


Fake edit: I have no children.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in Merlock milk. (Rumor)
Post by: patience on January 09, 2010, 07:19:05 PM
I'd argue the distance between MW2 and a full MMOFPS is not as much as older FPSes were.

Modern Warfare may have the progression thing going on but don't forget MW's design is all about densely packed maps. I'm actually interested in Infinity Ward's design approach being applied to an MMOFPS because aside from Planetside caves noone has made condensed worlds (and the caves sucked).

If the two companies are collaborating on the project I'm looking forward to the FPS aspect. If they are working on separate projects then I'm only interested in how Blizzard treats the socializing and SIMs aspect.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: NiX on January 09, 2010, 08:17:35 PM
It can't fail if it's bullshit.

Just keep glossing over this people.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Triforcer on January 09, 2010, 08:19:50 PM
It makes perfect sense that Blizzard isn't planning something that would compete with WoW (although, I guess, Wow will be pretty aged by the time this is released).

But MMOFPS?  Something tells me that is too niche for Blizzard's taste.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Velorath on January 09, 2010, 11:53:02 PM
It can't fail if it's bullshit.

I'm pretty sure we can take a link to the mmorpg.com's message board, which in turn links to Blue's News (which I've never heard of), which is getting it's info by using Google Translate on a French site called NoFrag, as a solid source of information.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Trippy on January 10, 2010, 12:07:39 AM
Blue's News has been around since the Quake days. Those were the days when gaming news came from Blue's, Shacknews, Redwood's, etc.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in Merlock milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Venkman on January 10, 2010, 04:50:54 AM
Modern Warfare may have the progression thing going on but don't forget MW's design is all about densely packed maps. I'm actually interested in Infinity Ward's design approach being applied to an MMOFPS because aside from Planetside caves noone has made condensed worlds (and the caves sucked).

Perzactly. "MMO" doesn't need to mean half the shit that people think it means. I just don't want another Huxley if they can do it. I liked the progressive maps from that one TF2 scenario where you capture zones chasing some sort of bomb thing. That could work here. Server (or zone/area) resets are a foregone conclusion.

It can't fail if it's bullshit.
Just keep glossing over this people.

We'll happily give advice on PC games to someone who's already been banned, so it shouldn't be surprising we'll talk about a game that's never going to launch  :grin:


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Chimpy on January 10, 2010, 05:51:28 AM
Blue's News has been around since the Quake days. Those were the days when gaming news came from Blue's, Scary's Shuga Shack, Redwood's, etc.


Fixed for historical accuraccy :D

Ahh the heady days of reading .plan updates for information on stuff going on.

I also am one calling bullshit/who cares.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: UnSub on January 10, 2010, 06:08:29 AM
Maybe.

2010 is seeing a huge number (comparatively) of MMOFPSs launch. Blizzard launches theirs in (say) 2013 and all the best bits of the genre will have been refined.

Would also work well with a cash shop / microtrans model.

While we're making stuff up: Blizzard to release browser-based MMOFPS in 2013 that will be F2P and available on the PS4 and Xbox Revolution.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in Merlock milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Ironwood on January 10, 2010, 06:12:53 AM
We'll happily give advice on PC games to someone who's already been banned, so it shouldn't be surprising we'll talk about a game that's never going to launch  :grin:

Well done, I cracked a smile.

That should be the f13 motto.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Tarami on January 10, 2010, 06:13:22 AM
It's likely bullshit, but come on, we need something new to discuss. Otherwise we'd have to go back to bitching about the derative nature of DIKUs.

...which this is likely to be some sort of anyway.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 10, 2010, 09:45:19 AM
2010 is seeing a huge number (comparatively) of MMOFPSs launch.

Is it? What's the scoop? I haven't been paying attention I guess.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Malakili on January 10, 2010, 09:52:36 AM
2010 is seeing a huge number (comparatively) of MMOFPSs launch.

Is it? What's the scoop? I haven't been paying attention I guess.

I can only think of Global Agenda off hand, and I think thats third person... then again, I haven't been playing attention either.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Lantyssa on January 10, 2010, 10:59:01 AM
MAG. Maybe The Agency.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Koyasha on January 10, 2010, 11:29:11 AM
Isn't APB basically a MMOFPS too?  Or at least third-person shooter.  I don't know, other than the shiney character creator I haven't kept a close eye on it.

Also, this sort of idea makes sense over all, regardless of whatever merit the speculation has.  Something other than typical MMORPG seems logical for Blizzard to go toward with their next MMO.  A shooter works pretty well with the StarCraft universe too, if they decided to go that way.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Fordel on January 10, 2010, 12:10:37 PM
Has Blizzard ever made a FPS before?


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: TripleDES on January 10, 2010, 01:00:33 PM
APB is only MMO as far as character persistence. 100 players per server isn't exactly that MMO.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: tmp on January 10, 2010, 01:08:42 PM
I can't quite imagine how they hope the whole "social interactions" aspect is going to tie into it. The whole thing reads like summary for Dark Days Are Coming only made more vague :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Venkman on January 10, 2010, 01:09:32 PM
APB is only MMO as far as character persistence. 100 players per server isn't exactly that MMO.

Oh no you did not just do that.

:wink:

It's MMO enough. PS had bigger battles than that, but how often did that happen? 100 is plenty more than 6x6 MW2, which if this ever launches, will be the basis of comparison.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Musashi on January 10, 2010, 01:18:53 PM
Has Blizzard ever made a FPS before?

They tried to make one.  But they canc'd it before it ever saw the light of day.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: schild on January 10, 2010, 01:22:59 PM
Has Blizzard ever made a FPS before?

They tried to make one.  But they canc'd it before it ever saw the light of day.
That was Swinging Ape and Nihilistic making a 3rd person shooter - Starcraft Ghost. It was "canned" which doesn't mean much but I really can't see them repurposing that stuff for this.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Krakrok on January 10, 2010, 01:49:31 PM
Has Blizzard ever made a FPS before?

They tried to make one.  But they canc'd it before it ever saw the light of day.

It saw the light of a few days and then darkness. E3 2005 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=485994615432276344) I think it was.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Teleku on January 10, 2010, 02:59:05 PM
Yeah, I actually got to play the demo at E3.  Wasn't bad, the artwork was pretty cool in game, but there wasn't really anything terribly unique or fun about it.  Which is why Blizzard probably canned it.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: UnSub on January 10, 2010, 07:26:45 PM
2010 is seeing a huge number (comparatively) of MMOFPSs launch.

Is it? What's the scoop? I haven't been paying attention I guess.

Possible MMOFPS launches in 2010 include:

Huxley
APB
Global Agenda
Earthrise
The Agency
Dust 514 (maybe, but perhaps not)

Both the MMO and FPS definition for various titles might be debatable, but its an area that is pushing forward after years of being backburnered. There are a few other examples that launched badly in 2009 - CrimeCraft, Battlefield Heroes - plus Fallen Earth, but it's interesting that after years of nothing in the area, suddenly a slew of MMOFPS titles are scheduled for launch (although they may delay, of course, but both The Agency and Huxley really have to launch or die at this stage).

Cue: f13 debate on what a MMOFPS actually is and how none of the above titles meet the definition.




Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: schild on January 10, 2010, 08:59:08 PM
Global Agenda and Huxley are most certainly MMOFPS. The Agency and APB from what I've seen are third person shooters, but there's no reason to label them differently.

Also, none of them as far as I know have as many people in one area as MAG.

So, shrug, baby steps I suppose.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Vision on January 10, 2010, 11:17:31 PM
Global Agenda and Huxley are most certainly MMOFPS. The Agency and APB from what I've seen are third person shooters, but there's no reason to label them differently.


Whatever happened to Huxley? Did that even come out? I remember being really excited about it a looooooooooong time ago.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Velorath on January 10, 2010, 11:22:40 PM
2010 is seeing a huge number (comparatively) of MMOFPSs launch.

Is it? What's the scoop? I haven't been paying attention I guess.

Possible MMOFPS launches in 2010 include:

Huxley
APB
Global Agenda
Earthrise
The Agency
Dust 514 (maybe, but perhaps not)


So... pretty much just Global Agenda and APB.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Kageru on January 11, 2010, 12:22:54 AM

It hadn't really occurred to me but WoW also has quite a few FPS elements now. The wintergrasp artillery and rockets are projectiles with some physics behind them rather than targetted and abstracted attacks as is normal for MMO's. I wonder if that's them testing out some technology and how it scales to large engagements?


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Shatter on January 11, 2010, 05:34:15 AM
World of Avatar  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Nebu on January 11, 2010, 06:13:19 AM
World of Avatar  :awesome_for_real:

You're laughing now, but we all know that someone (not at Blizzard) is pitching this very concept as I type this. 


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: UnSub on January 11, 2010, 07:41:02 AM
James Cameron has had that idea since at least 2006 (http://au.gamespot.com/news/6143676.html). Ubisoft might have the licence or they might be talking about the single player game already released. (http://www.massively.com/2008/11/14/ubisoft-president-speaks-about-avatar-mmo/)


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Shatter on January 11, 2010, 10:24:39 AM
As long as I get to play in 3d and see blue titties im good with it


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: eldaec on January 11, 2010, 10:38:14 AM
Darkfall....

oh wait.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Fordel on January 11, 2010, 01:22:52 PM

It hadn't really occurred to me but WoW also has quite a few FPS elements now. The wintergrasp artillery and rockets are projectiles with some physics behind them rather than targetted and abstracted attacks as is normal for MMO's. I wonder if that's them testing out some technology and how it scales to large engagements?




The artillery/cannons is just a ground target that doesn't obey LoS.

The RP-GG's might have some kind of physics in them, but they are really terrible physics if so.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Redgiant on January 11, 2010, 02:48:52 PM
James Cameron has had that idea since at least 2006 (http://au.gamespot.com/news/6143676.html). Ubisoft might have the licence or they might be talking about the single player game already released. (http://www.massively.com/2008/11/14/ubisoft-president-speaks-about-avatar-mmo/)

And since Cameron has already stated this will probalby be a trilogy of movies, expect the Avatar buzz to stick around or at least be repeatedly brought to the front periodically for the next few years.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Venkman on January 11, 2010, 04:24:36 PM
Global Agenda and Huxley are most certainly MMOFPS. The Agency and APB from what I've seen are third person shooters, but there's no reason to label them differently.


Whatever happened to Huxley? Did that even come out? I remember being really excited about it a looooooooooong time ago.

Currently in closed beta but on the cusp of going open. NDA still seems to be in place.


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: Vision on January 11, 2010, 05:25:31 PM
Currently in closed beta but on the cusp of going open. NDA still seems to be in place.

So is there any chance it could actually be a good game?


Title: Re: Blizzards new MMO is a FPS, "Hardcore PvPers" Cry in murloc milk. (Rumor)
Post by: kondratti on January 11, 2010, 05:32:06 PM
Currently in closed beta but on the cusp of going open. NDA still seems to be in place.

So is there any chance it could actually be a good game?


With NDA still up?  Pretty darn unlikely.