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PORTAGE LA PRAIRIE, Man. - Shocked passengers aboard a Greyhound bus in Manitoba said the attack was incomprehensible.

One moment, the quiet man near the back of the bus was minding his own business. The man, believed to be in his 30s, hadn't talked to anyone around him, and seemed to pay no attention to the younger fellow sitting next to him, who was listening to music on headphones. The next moment, witnesses said, the older man stood up, still quiet, and repeatedly stabbed then beheaded his seat-mate with a large hunting knife.

"We heard this blood-curdling scream and turned around, and the guy was standing up, stabbing this guy repeatedly, like 40 or 50 times," Garnet Caton said Thursday from a hotel in Brandon, Man., where he and other passengers had been taken to rest.

"There was no rage or anything. He was like a robot, stabbing the guy."

Caton said the bus stopped and everyone scrambled to get out while the attacker started methodically carving up the victim's body, not paying attention to anyone else.

Caton and the driver shut the bus door from the outside while they waited for police to arrive.
   

"We put our bodies up against the door, waiting for him to come out ... and he went back and brought the head to the front and pretty much displayed it ... and dropped it on the ground in front of us," Caton said.

"All very calmly. He was wearing sunglasses. It was no big deal to him."

Fellow passenger Cody Olmstead from Kentville, N.S., also recalled the chilling scene.

"The guy came to the front of the door with buddy's head in his hands, decapitated. He dropped the head and went back and started cutting the body back up," Olmstead told Brandon radio station CKLQ.

Both men said the attacker and the victim appeared not to know each other.

They said the attacker boarded the bus in Brandon Wednesday night. The victim, who Caton said appeared to be about 19, had been on the bus since Edmonton.

Police didn't confirm details, saying only that a homicide occurred on the bus, which stopped about 15 kilometres west of Portage la Prairie.

One man was taken into custody after Mounties surrounded the vehicle.

Federal Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day said the full weight of the law must be brought to bear on the perpetrator.

"We want to make sure the process is followed as aggressively as possible, the full legal process ...." Day said from Levis, Que., where Conservative MPs are gathered for a summer planning session.

"This particular incident, as horrific as it is, is obviously extremely rare. Certainly the horrific nature of it is probably one-of-a-kind in Canadian history."

Greyhound called the event tragic but isolated.

A company spokeswoman said bus travel is the safest mode of transportation, despite the fact bus stations do not have metal detectors and other security measures used at airports.

"Due to the rural nature of our network, airport-type security is not practical. It's a very different type of system," Abby Wambaugh said from Greyhound's corporate offices in Texas.

The bus was carrying 37 passengers and the driver to Winnipeg from Edmonton.

A portion of the east-bound Trans-Canada Highway was closed overnight as officers remained on the scene.

Passengers were unable to understand what might have prompted the attack. The suspect had been on the bus for only about an hour and didn't even sit near his victim at first.

"He sat in the front at first, everything was normal," Caton said.

"We went to the next stop and he got off and had a smoke with another young lady there. When he got on the bus again, he came to the back near where I was sitting.

"He put his bags in the overhead compartment. He didn't say a word to anybody. He seemed totally normal. About a half an hour later, we heard this blood-curdling scream."

Fuck.  :ye_gods:

Fuck.  :ye_gods:

Fuck.  :ye_gods:

None of us can say we've never had the urge to stab the fuck out of some random asshole.

Rural Canada == teh Scary.   Big time.  Yup.

Somehow, when I think of rural Canada, I don't exactly break out in a cold sweat.

Somehow, when I think of rural Canada, I don't exactly break out in a cold sweat.

He told a TV station the attacker had actually changed seats to sit next to his victim just before the killing.

On the one hand, it was a horrifying murder.  But on the other, it was a very, very impressive horrifying murder.  When you start tossing severed heads at onlookers, you get points for style.

All I know is that would cause me nightmares for days if I had been on that bus. You know every single person that lived was thinking "my god, that could have been me!"

Fuck. :uhrr:

Guns would have made it better? Guh, I hate that mentality with a passion. They don't consider that the maniac could have gotten a gun, shot up the bus and THEN started with the knife. 1 victim to 10 victims.

This thread started in a very bad place. Do we really want to fag it up even further bringing guns into the discussion?

A 40-year-old man was charged with second-degree murder Friday in connection with the stabbing and beheading death of his seatmate on a Greyhound Canada bus, authorities said

The problem with guns is that too many stupid people have access to them.  Which story is more common:  "Vigilante Hero Thwarts Knife-Wielding Maniac" or "Innocent Toddler Blows Out Own Brains With Daddy's Gun".  Pretty sure it's the latter.  Yeah, if only we had more guns  :uhrr:

I can't wait for the argument that will ensue over him not being put on some kind of death row.

I was talking to a law student about this, and he was saying that the murderer has a reasonable chance of succeeding with an insanity defense here.  Horrible as it is, he may well end up somewhere other than prison.

Insanity due to...

1) annoying ringtone.
2) too much SMSing.
3) annoying SMS ringtone.
4) proximity to carny.

Canada does not execute criminals.

Nix is from Canada, too, you know.  I know this makes his comment seem even more odd, but it is impolite to point that out. 

you abduct the guy in question and stick him in a warehouse full of death traps while you taunt him with a puppet on a television: first degree. 

Actually, I just looked up the guy who killed the hockey ref, and they didn't charge him with murder.  They charged him with manslaughter and then doubled the jail time for a 6-10 year sentence.  As this happened back in 2002, he's still in prison and as it turns out was recently denied release.  The parole board wrote that he still didn't seem to accept responsibility for the other man's death.  One would think that having six years to think it over would have provided some insight, but apparently not, so he gets to stay a while longer.

I'm sure Nix knows Canada has no death penalty, he was saying that someone is probably going to start an argument about how bad that is and try to justify capital punishment due to this.

Bingo. I didn't think what I said was that confusing. :awesome_for_real:

People had an intense overreaction to a barely noticeable extent because while it sounded unlike you were totally not saying one thing, what you were actually saying wasn't misinterpreted in a way that was almost incorrect.

Just when you think things couldn't get any more gruesome (don't read if you've just eaten):

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080802/ap_on_re_ca/canada_bus_stabbing

Shit like this makes me think there might be reason to believe in shit like demonic possession. That and Im already a superstitious as fuck.

Man, I hate to come off like an "internet tough guy" but this motherfucker was a 5'4'' 130 pound 40 year old chinese guy. I swear to god, had this shit happened in some decent sized city in the states or anyplace other than canada, you could bet your ass that little peice of shit would have had that knife shoved directly up his ass. I mean a cop waited for back up and made that tape and he could have gone in there and taken care of business. that guy in the video went in with 3 other people WITH crowbars and ran out when that little guy came after him. If that were my kid, I would be just as mad at all those people who just stood there and watched my kid get slaughtered as I would be at the murderer.

I can't say with certainty what I would have done, but I really can't imagine myself sitting outside the bus while this maniac did this. 30+ people vs skinny chinese guy with knife. Come the fuck on...

Man, I hate to come off like an "internet tough guy" but this motherfucker was a 5'4'' 130 pound 40 year old chinese guy. I swear to god, had this shit happened in some decent sized city in the states or anyplace other than canada, you could bet your ass that little peice of shit would have had that knife shoved directly up his ass. I mean a cop waited for back up and made that tape and he could have gone in there and taken care of business. that guy in the video went in with 3 other people WITH crowbars and ran out when that little guy came after him. If that were my kid, I would be just as mad at all those people who just stood there and watched my kid get slaughtered as I would be at the murderer.

I can't say with certainty what I would have done, but I really can't imagine myself sitting outside the bus while this maniac did this. 30+ people vs skinny chinese guy with knife. Come the fuck on...

The only internet tough guys here are smug people like you actually. You're the one comfortable with just talking shit, leaving it that, and not seeing that reality can extend beyond that. Find the courage in yourself to get over being a smartass, or you could actually end up being like these people on the bus one day, where you're schtick does not work.

This isn't even an issue of being a tough guy. This is an issue of what is right and wrong. Somewhere along the line, we got the bullshit idea that it was alright to stand by and let other people get hurt or hurt themselves.

Miasma: It is exactly what I said, in Canada, and places that don't have shit like this happen, or are not exposed to occasional violence, tend to freak out or run away when faced with this kind of situation. This shit happen in a subway in New York or a city bus in east L.A. I really feel that it would have been different.

[edit] Heh, I didn't threaten you Miasma. Not sure where you got that, but get over yourself.

I'm washing my hands of this one now, it's gone over the bad place of Internet Tough Guy calling the world a bunch of pussies.

Just go masturbate to Road House and save us all a lot of time.

Stray.

I'm up for that.

And don't let Hammer try to tell you otherwise. Also, I'll only take one solid punch. ^_^

edit: i need a job

Fuck it then. If that's how you think this thread is going, then I'll just take it to it's conclusion:

You are, in fact, pussies.

If you have to make such a big deal out of Hammer and I saying that the fact that not even one person out of 30 helped this guy is a disgrace, go so far as to say that this is "Roadhouse" behavior to point it out, then you probably wouldn't even do anything in an even more difficult situation. Which is sad to me. Sounds like you need to know what it feels like to even lay a hand on someone, if you're going to make that big of a deal out of this.

You are a pussy.

So much of a pussy that I will gladly introduce myself at an Austin Meetup, pay any of you a $100 to smack the shit out of me (without my retaliation), and even buy you not one, but a whole night of drinks afterwards. I swear, it will be worth it to me. Anything to get you to stop thinking in terms of the fucking internet.  :-)

Thread: I am about done. I really do feel that it is BS that no one did anything and it bothers me that so many people are okay with it.  On the Austin get together. I am down for some drunk fights.  :awesome_for_real: StreetFighter fights that is!  Wait, no...Real fights too.

Heh will do then.

You're a big guy, don't get me wrong, but I think I'll be a little more nervous if Merusk or Gulp take me up on that offer. Big guns on them boys. Haha

Kitty Genovese murder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese)

I don't think anyone is okay with what happened, Stray and HAMMER FRENZY.  I think what people are trying to say to you is that your very convincing Internet Tough Guy impressions are leading them to believe that you would have ultimately acted no differently in that situation.

God save me from twentysomethings on the internet.

I really don't know how me stating that I would be compelled to do something makes anyone think that I would engage in bare knuckle fisticuffs. I  stated that the reports and interviews explained that there were 3 people with weapons (improvised but quite capable of fucking shit up) and an armed MP that did nothing. That is BS. I am not saying I would grease up and UFC this guy. I am just saying I certainly wouldn't just stand there with my thumb up my ass.

Rishathra: Honestly, Me saying that I would do something is not a tough guy thing. Get your shit together. Had I said, I would have knocked him out, or jumped in blindly is one thing. Simply stating that I would do SOMETHING is me being honest. I really don't think I am capable of letting someone hurt someone else around me and I have proven that on many occasions. I personally think that helping people is the right thing to do, and although I would not have done something if the guy had a gun and I was alone, (I don't have a death wish) there was 30+ people, crowbars and adrenaline. I think i would have told the nagging voice in my head to shut the fuck up and put some time into concocting a plan which would result in broken bones and missing teeth for buddy boy.

Really some people need to put themselves into this situation, not just as a passenger, but a family member, or a friend. Were it a brother, friend, nephew, whatever, I think that anyone would be fucking wild with rage at the lack of action taken in defending this kid. It really is BS and there will be no justice at all. Lose, lose.   

I am surprised how quickly people label people on the interwebs, especially on a site like this, but some people are quite capable and/ or willing to do something they feel is right or just necessary. What one may think is reckless, irresponsible behavior, is selfless and heroic to someone else.

It is quite possible that people that have this kind of personality may like games, and god forbid, may like posting on forums. Schild, Big Gulp, are examples of people who are quite capable of whooping someones ass. Internet toughguys or capable people?

I am not trying to be tough, just honest. I am disgusted by the lack of action taken by the bus passengers, and I truly believe that I would have been quite willing to do something. call it whatever the hell you want.

 

No need to be a dick about it Reg. It's just the reality of the situation. That age bracket made the internet you use easy to use and awesome. It's just how it is. Sorry if you don't like it. This entire generation is shit, other than our contribution to the net. But who am I to talk. I'm a 77 year old New York Jew who doesn't know how to use a computer but happens to run a website that you've logged 51 days, 6 hours, and 9 minutes on and have 1053 posts.

I linked a video interview above, with one of the witnesses. He said he and some others tried to overpower the guy but "it didn't work" and then he described the guy coming towards them with the knife. Picturing that in the aisle of a bus where there's basically only room for one person at a time, I can understand how their efforts would fail.

I linked a video interview above, with one of the witnesses. He said he and some others tried to overpower the guy but "it didn't work" and then he described the guy coming towards them with the knife. Picturing that in the aisle of a bus where there's basically only room for one person at a time, I can understand how their efforts would fail.

Their next action therefore was to try locking the guy in the bus. The witness said the attacker fought over the door and won, so they retreated to outside the bus, behind the bus. When they realised he had not followed them outside, they went back and locked the door. The attacker then tried to start the bus engine and drive off, which failed.

So they're outside the bus, having lost a battle to stop him, but won the battle to lock him inside. Then the guy hacks off the head and brings it down to taunt them.

It's not like they all stood there watching a decapitation.

All because they just had to stroke their fragile little man egos.

You're running under the assumption that I put the idea of physical violence on some pedestal -- like it's some sort of "special" thing to experience or talk about -- and therefore I must have an ego to dare think I have experience with such a thing. "The audacity!"

I mean hell, if fighting people is such a big deal to you, then I should have went for broke and called myself a fucking astronaut. This, otoh, is so not worth the bullshit.

I can see that being difficult in those aisles, believe me... I guess I can give them some credit, but the fact that a guy of his stature kept overpowering them makes me think that they really were a bunch of geezers and kids. And it's rather unfortunate then.

A surprisingly large number said they would give them their wallets even if it was just a knife. The common explanation being that even with just a knife the attacker could get in a lucky slash/stab and it would be all over for the vicitim.

I'm far from a martial artist, but if someone was robbing me and had a knife I'd probably be willing to give it a go.  A gun?  You betcha, take my shit.

I have two fucking Nerds  taking on Hannibal Lecter.

First off, it was the victim who was 5'4" and 130 pounds and not the attacker. We don't know what size he was.

I would like to think that, had it been in the middle of the street, people would have helped.

I'm far from a martial artist, but if someone was robbing me and had a knife I'd probably be willing to give it a go.  A gun?  You betcha, take my shit.

We know he was a Chinaman (in the parlance of our times), so he couldn't have been some hulking monster.  Could be wiry, though.  Best bet would be to grab the buses fire extinguisher and start-a-whompin'.

Those guys who got back on the bus with the crowbar were the most dangerous people in this.  If Mr. Stabby got through them HE NOW HAS A FUCKING CROWBAR when the only thing stopping him from killing again is a flimsy bus door.  You gave him a crowbar and allowed him to escape and possibly kill more people to slate your bravado.  Congratulations.

[edit] Oh, and I still say some of y'all are pussies. My experiment is open to prove it.  smiley I could dangle $100 in front of you, a free hit, and a night of drinks, and you'd still hestitate. You'd either be cunts and not show up, or try to talk your way out of it. The only people who would smack me are the people who smack people.

Or people who want/need $100 and a good story to tell.

There was ear kicking in Roadhouse?

Man, maybe I really should re-watch it now.

[edit] Oh, and I still say some of y'all are pussies. My experiment is open to prove it.  :-) I could dangle $100 in front of you, a free hit, and a night of drinks, and you'd still hestitate. You'd either be cunts and not show up, or try to talk your way out of it. The only people who would smack me are the people who smack people.

I can't have a cat int he apartment. Would have to pay a pet fee. Would rather use the pet fee money on GROCERIES. Also, do not send a cat for the donation pool, thx.

And some groceries, Costco.

Email me your new address.  I will send you a cat.

This isn't even an issue of being a tough guy. This is an issue of what is right and wrong. Somewhere along the line, we got the bullshit idea that it was alright to stand by and let other people get hurt or hurt themselves. People are a lot more concerned themselves rather then standing up for what is right.

 So when we hear about people sitting outside of a bus while some piece of shit mutilates some innocent kid, assholes like miasma can justify it cause they are pretty sure they would have done the same thing  rather than dispense some good ol' vigilante justice, just like that whole bus full of pussies didn't have the balls to do.

When we hear about someone taking matter into their own hands, or hear that some people may feel that they themselves would be incapable of letting something like this happen while they are around, the weak and frail would rather talk shit then deal with the fact that they are too afraid to do the right thing.

I can be totally honest, I would be terrified to be in that situation, and I would fight it, but i would do something and I would do it cause it is right and cause it is obvious we can't count on anyone else to take care of business.

At the end of the day, that kid had to go home to his mom like that, killed while he slept and dismembered, and no one did anything to stop it. You have to ask yourself, what the fuck was up with that crazy bastard, but more over, what the fuck is up with society when we let pussies like this parade this kids head around and not have to pay for it.

Some people are more capable then others, and the less capable will always make up some excuse as to why being less capable, less willing and less brave, is right.

It's kind of sad that in every thread like this there is a 100% chance of at least one internet tough guy saying that they totally would have crane-kicked the guy into oblivion and saved the day.

Apparently you're a pussy then.

A guy could be a jet pilot posting on a flight sim site, but people can't simply take his word for it. They have to give him shit. A woman is never a woman without pics. No one has "abs". No one is tall. We're all just just malnourished geeks -- and that's a fucking shame. You guys actually believe the stereotype.

My first reaction to this story was "Why the fuck didn't anyone stop him?"  Then the details begin to fill in and I realize I likely wouldn't have tried to intervene unless the situation was much different.  There's simply too many what-ifs. 

If I had my wife or daughter with me on the trip, their safety would come first, no matter who is in trouble.  Especially with my daughter, who is only 3 years old.  I can't trust that someone else would protect her if things went south and I was hurt while trying to save the guy. 

Not to mention that if nobody else was going to help rush the guy, there's no way in hell I'd do anything.  You gotta figure that even going in with a few people, whoever goes in first is going to take a couple stabs more than likely.  They were likely in the middle of nowhere when the guy attacked...  a few stab wounds in the wrong spot would kill by bleedout regardless. 

There's simply too many factors involved here for a person to say they'd have kicked the guy's ass, or ran for the hills, or whatever.  Most of us won't know how we'd react in those situation because we haven't been faced with crisis situations before.  Hopefully, none of us will ever need to. 

The whole thing is just sad. 

Consider, for a moment, if the same exact situation had happened on an airplane. 

No, what's kind of sad is when people...

A guy could be a jet pilot posting on a flight sim site, but people can't simply take his word for it. They have to give him shit. A woman is never a woman without pics. No one has "abs". No one is tall. We're all just just malnourished geeks -- and that's a fucking shame. You guys actually believe the stereotype.

Margalis: Quit being a jerk. About this AND about accepting my friends request on XBL. You owe me some SF matches tough guy.

Stray: I agree with you on a lot of what you say, I think it is really weird that most people here, or on the interwebs in general couldn't believe that someone would want to help someone out or assist in stopping some maniac from doing something awful. Also I don't remember talking about kicking or punching or anything. sheesh...

Yup. Just by hearing some of you talk here, observing your general/internet passive-aggressive tendencies, and your tendency to blow the idea of "fighting" out of proportion as if no one can ever mention it ever, I can tell that many of you probably have never laid a hand on someone. The only kind of "violence" you're capable of is pointless, cantankerous, geek rage. Damn straight, you're pussies. Textbook. And the only reason I care to bring it up is to say you're disqualified about talking about what someone would or wouldn't do in this Greyhound situation. You are people who could barely even handle a small altercation -- yet, all of the sudden you know what everyone else is capable of doing in a situation like that?

If you get in enough scrapes, you eventually realize how it isn't that big of a deal. Anyone who is used to smacking people and getting smacked would have had no qualms to try and stop that guy.

You post on a forum that is frequented by people with an interest in videogames, but these people come from different parts of the world, have widely varying jobs and interests, and widely varying opinions. Yet you somehow seem to think that when all these people disagree with you it's because there is some "circle-jerk" going on, and not because you are the one cut off from the 'reality' in which all these people live. You're presenting a whole group of people who refuse to believe you as one-dimensional stereotypes just to counter the fact that they think you're acting like a dickhead; a notion you are not prepared to entertain.

Grow up. And do it in silence.

On a separate note. I have a 6 pack, huge muscles, know kung fu, boxing, and knife fighting and have killed no less than 6 men in hand to hand combat. also I beat up a cop, a boxer, a black guy, a guy with a bat/gun/knife/bottle/tazer/stick/pole/sword/fork/red hot poker. I also teach a kickboxing ninja robot combat class at la fitness.  :oh_i_see:   

I'm far from a martial artist, but if someone was robbing me and had a knife I'd probably be willing to give it a go.  A gun?  You betcha, take my shit.

I've been mugged twice (in the same week as it happened) by knife wielding attackers. It doesn't happen like in Crocodile Dundee where a guy steps out. waves a knife at you and says 'give me your money!' let me tell you. What actually happens is that you're walking along minding your own business when suddenly there's searing pain from a non-critical part of your body, you look down, realise you're pissing blood out of somewhere and the two blokes who came up out of nowhere are bundling you to the floor and threatening to carve you up some more. Then they take your wallet from you and fuck off. The whole thing takes about 8 seconds and the chances of you pulling your shit together to retaliate is approximately nil. I was a 2nd Dan in Aikido and there was no question about me being able to resist effectively. I could take swordsmen down while unarmed but bad guys don't square off all nice and fair like.

Edit: Nevermind, once a thread has been Stray'd that's it.

No one cares about your irrelevent fucking stories.

It's this thread that needs shot.  You fucking people.

If you get jumped from behind and stuck with a knife, the only thing between your attackers and possession of your gun is how hard to notice your holster is.

Don't worry though, I'll be out in a sec.

More like she said "I'm here with my, um, boyfriend," and pointed at her friend, hoping he'd cover for her.

Also, now there's reports that there was a group of people on the bus taking ecstasy (whatever that has to do with it),

Some medical experts say the combination of a powerful stimulant drug such as ecstasy, combined with pre-existing mental health conditions, could trigger a violent episode.

Storey isn't buying it.

"Even if he was doing drugs, it wouldn't make him do something like that. There's no excuse," she said.

"Mental illness or not, you don't do that to another human being."

This seems very likely.  And if it's true she's probably going to be fucked up for life.

I linked a video interview above, with one of the witnesses. He said he and some others tried to overpower the guy but "it didn't work"

Weird details coming out now........and so far, in two court appearances the only thing the killer has said is he looked at the Judge and said 'Please kill me'.

This is one fucked up story.

Yep.  I doubt anyone will be checking my ankle while taking my wallet.

And I'm sure you'll be a GREAT shot while you're bleeding like a stuck pig.

“His struggles and cries are ignored ... the man with the knife shows no emotion ... the victim is slaughtered and his head cut off ... his flesh is eaten,” reads the ad, which is posted on the website.  “If this ad leaves a bad taste in your mouth, please give a thought to what sensitive animals think and feel when they come to the end of their frightening journey and see, hear and smell the slaughterhouse.”

PETA's ad:


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080806.wpetaad0806/BNStory/National/home (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080806.wpetaad0806/BNStory/National/home)

I never would have thought PETA would try to capitalize on this whole mess, but I'm also not that surprised by the attempt. 

That has seriously got to be the most disgusting tasteless thing I've seen since the "God hates fags" assholes protested outside soldier's funerals.

PETA's ad:


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080806.wpetaad0806/BNStory/National/home (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080806.wpetaad0806/BNStory/National/home)

I never would have thought PETA would try to capitalize on this whole mess, but I'm also not that surprised by the attempt. 

Well now that you mention it...
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/2008/08/07/6372186-sun.html (http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/2008/08/07/6372186-sun.html)

He can deliver a car crash out of nothing. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGjPnLjvvrs)

The main problem with PETA is that they are insane.

I hate how these guys think they're comparing the striking power of a "muay thai kick" versus that of an "MMA kick" instead of the striking power of two fighters who probably aren't even in the same weight class.

The main problem with PETA is that they are insane.

What I am curious about is how aware are people of their surroundings?  I'm a bit on the paranoid side and I'm constantly looking for some stupid bullshit to blindside me and ruin my day (because the moment I stop is the moment I meet that random fucktard who can't keep on his side of the road while smoking, talking on his cell-phone, fiddling with the radio AND trying to drive all at once.)  I've ridden cross-country on the Greyhounds (one of the most miserable experiences of my life) and I wasn't even capable of sleeping for the 3 day trip.

Canada moves to block the US fundie protestors. (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2008/08/08/westboro-protest.html?ref=rss)

"Your freedom to swing your arm in the air ends when it touches the end of my nose," (Winnipeg NDP MP Pat Martin) added. "What these people were going to do was hurtful, harmful and disruptive to the peace, order and good government that we guarantee to our citizens, so they have no place in this country."

Even as a Christian, I wouldn't mind seeing the Westboro Churchgoers get to see the reality of their own brand of hubris. You know what God hates? Hate itself.

I'm fairly positive that God hates us all.