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iPhone is 200 dollars!  :drill: :drill: :drill:

What?!

Are those prices for real ? Or are those prices retailers buy them for ? Looks cool, could use a replacement about that time.

199 for the 8 gig.

and boy am I glad I waited :)


That's a real price.

You have got to be kidding me. How can it cost 199$? I'm buying the 16GB for sure if its 299$. After you add Norwegian socialist taxes it'll prolly land at around 700-800$ at least here. Gotta love Norway.

No word on contract.  I won't do 2 year contracts unless there's plenty of 'get out' clauses.

Eh? It's a telephone. $199 isn't cheap. You're doing it wrong. The phone company is supposed to give you a telephone.

Yeah, I remember those days.  I'd rather pay and get a telephone that does stuff.

Anyway, no 32 gig iPhone.  I'll be waiting for the X-Mas product line I guess.

July 11th I shall have one.

Finally, it has fallen into the price range in which my wife doesn't yell at me.  ;)

On a sidenote, all of the new mobile syncing they're doing with .mac (err..soon to be called "Me") is looking to be pretty cool. The syncing is already useful as it is.

Unfortunately, I signed one of those 2 year contracts elsewhere.

 :nda:  :raspberry:

Yeah 'me' is really exchange for everyone, as long as it integrates with the Google stuff it'll be the bees knees.

That's my big issue. If it ties into gmail/gcal, even if it is a bit kludgy, I'll be all over it. I'm sad the video conferencing was a baseless rumor, although the honest truth is I really don't think I'd use it all that often. The only other disappointment for me was the lack of support for A2DP. It's a music player dammit, it should support stereo audio streaming.

I think you use that damn NDA emote more than anyone.  :-P

There are a couple of things I'd like, like bluetooth syncing for playing music with car stereo, the ability to send and recieve picture SMSes...

Some of the 3rd party stuff is really getting traction, they've finally got a good ebook reader on there, a variety of games, and some odd apps like a social networking thing to see nearby people you can then chat/talk with, and a neat little app that shows you nearby restaurants and reviews people have put in for them.

I'd like the damn loudspeaker's volume to be increased. I have a third party tone generator, and that's *loud* on maximum, but the music/audiobooks just aren't all that great, I practically have to hold the phone up to my ear to hear them.

Apple relented on subsidies so they are allowing AT&T to do it though that means a forced two year contract *and* AT&T raised the data service by $10 a month from $20 to $30 so really after 2 years you end up paying more than the previous setup (i.e. you pay an extra $240 for the data connectivity).

That, built-in GPS, the SDK, and Exchange support is why Apple is going to exceed their sales goal of 10 million sold this year. That price point is the sweet spot. It was with the original iPods, and it still is.

Just don't tell her it's actually costing you an extra $40 for the first 2 years and an extra $120 a year after that :awesome_for_real:

LOL.  You must not be married.  Of course, I won't tell her that.  ;)

"It will save us twenty dollars a month and you can play your music videos on it while you work out at the gym."

Typical $100 extra for 1 year contract? I want to keep myself open for some Android/iPhone 3rd gen next year.

Well, I'm glad the new one isn't metal like mine. I can maintain the illusion I haven't been screwed by Apple and my own "Buy at once" impulses.

There's still some metal. The back is now entirely plastic, presumably to save some weight but the buttons that are plastic on the current iPhone are metal on the new one and the front bezel is still metal.

I take the lie I can live with over your painful truth!

According to the shop I passed going into work today, it is in fact free on contract in the UK. (to be honest it isn't a huge surprise, only top end phones don't come free on contracts over here)



Though I'm intrigued to know what 'stuff' you want your phone to do other than make calls, send texts, and at stretch - access email and play mp3s?

Hmm is there any European companies that have unlimited roaming in the States with their plans?  :drill:

Well, it is technically in the "smart" phone category, so as with Blackberry and Treo, people want their phones to be a mobile computing platform.

Ok, but 'mobile computing platform', what in practice, do you guys actually use such a thing for.

Other than calls, text, email, and maybe listen to mp3s?

Me too.

I use my Sidekick LX for web browsing (f13, drudgereport, slashdot, my.yahoo, digg, directions, yellow pages, weather). It has a keyboard. It was only $100. I use it instead of a laptop. Hard on the eyes though.

Here is what I already do or wish I could:

The basics:
* Full web access: I want to be able to post on/read my favorite sites, check train and bus times, and lookup random factoids. Also looking up product reviews in stores is darn handy. It's also handy for getting addresses and phone numbers
* Games: game more exciting than snake
* Location based queries: I want to be able to find the nearest sushi joint when I'm running around SF
* Scheduling/calendar
* Maps with real-time traffic information: GPS devices have this, but that relies on your car having a GPS device
* The ability to view pretty much any file that my computer can read.
* Portable photo album. I need to be able to inflict hundreds of baby photos on unsuspecting people
* Email
* Camera
* Address book
* Notebook
* Instant messaging via any network
* Ebook reader, web surfing mostly takes care of this, but I'd like to have my comic books on my mobile computer
* Music, TV, movies

Fancy stuff:
* Being able to take pictures of barcodes to get information on a product, add to a wish list, pretty much mobile delicious library
* Take a picture of a concert poster and have it add the info to my calendar
* Take a picture of a plant and have it identified. Insects too.( I've been gardening a lot recently )
* Google Earth/Virtual Earth integration that gives me interesting information about the area I'm in.

Edit: Additional feature: all of the above has to be pleasant to do, with a minimal amount of eye-killing and hand-killing. It's the fucking 21st century, our portable UIs should be as good as our desktop UIs. Not that that is a high bar.

Web browsing, sat nav, and (at a stretch) games are the only things on that list you can do on a fancy phone but not a shit one.

Sat nav I can see the attraction, though a dedicated, easier to use device for your car is so cheap now that I suspect gps-phones have missed the window of opportunity for money making.

As for the rest, well, I think it shows why mobile operators are struggling. Looks like the industry really has become a commodity-utility.
(Half way down the list I was beginning to wonder if you were going to add ' I use it to store recipes! ')

There's a HUGE difference between being able to do something, and have it be pleasurable. I've had crap phones for years that could do many of the things on that list, but I would have become homicidal in frustration if I actually tried to use those features. I've made an addendum to my list: all of the above without getting stabby.

Well that's it, and also why the GPS CE companies are also worried. The days of single-function CE devices are over. As long predicted. It's always ever been a question of a) who gets there right (not first); and, b) how their service works (which means partnerships). iPod/iTunes/iPhone has always been only partly about the device. The larger success is the total user experience and the ecosystem of financial transactions that result. Whether the iPhone does to the disparate mobile industry what iPod did for the disparate MP3 one is not important. The more important aspect is how Apple has forced the competition to rethink what matters.

One of the interesting outcomes of 2007 was that the mobile industry realized people weren't really using the hugely expensive bandwidth infrastructure they build. They weren't watching the expected TV programming. They weren't downloading the expected music. And they weren't playing the expected games. Everyone scrambled to figure out why and still got it wrong:

It's about the end user experience, stupid. And their middle-management inspired Swiss Army UIs that were completely different even between the sub- model numbers of what a consumer sees as the "same phone" (99 out of 100 times, it ain't) just don't cut it with even the tech savvy anymore.

Pretty much. And the non-tech savvy are happy to have something where they can find and use most of the features. I think the Samsung Instinct is proof that the iPhone has done a good job of shaking up the industry. It will be cool to see what Nokia comes up with to compete. Likewise, I suspect MS will kick Windows Mobile up a notch. I think the next few years it will be good to be a gadget geek.

As one who balks at paying for phone apps, iPhone still sucks much less than Verizon, T-Mobile, $OtherPhoneAndCarrierDeal… …the other knockoffs I've tested are poor knockoffs.  Maybe Google has something coming down the pipe, but AFAIK, they have no carriers lined up. Curious though if AT&T 3G coverage is up to snuff yet.

Don't think the app thing is that great, though I reckon I'm not the target market. All I really want is e-book reader and offline doc viewing, something that I can do right now… …for my monitor lashed eyes, screen space is too small for gaming or watching anything longer than youtube (good when you're waiting away from home!).

Still, MIA:

* for the love of Gates, PLEASE ADD CUT AND PASTE.

* Flash — don't know if it's Apple sticking it the Adobe man or they want to redress Web video in H264 mp4 (which plays good). If not going flash, then at least sync Safari 3+ SVG/canvas WebKit capabilities…

* where's the video camera?

Last I heard, Adobe was working in a Flash player specifically for the iPhone but I haven't heard anything about it recently. So yah, Apple is trying to stick it to Adobe for some reason, we'll see if they actually deliver or just make Apple suffer.

The Jobs wants a version of Flash better than Flash Lite for the iPhone. Perish the thought we at least get Flash Lite support first.

Yes, perish it because Flash is a pig in the first place. A Flash Lite would be a pig with less features. They are going for a good user experience. My experience with Flash has always been anything but good. Adobe needs to make it better, and it's good to see someone telling them that.

I just want to be able to watch fricking .flv files. All of phildo's posts in useless videos just sit there and taunt me.

So wait.

With 3G I could basically stream pandora to my cellphone all day?

Sure, if it didn't require Flash/Shockwave.

what? lol.  That doesn't even make any sense?

Also, can you use the 3G as a modem?

Safari on the iPhone doesn't support Flash currently.

Not if AT&T and Apple can help it -- current model requires a tremendous number of hacks to make it work as a modem, it's likely the 3G model will be even harder to use as such.

 :heartbreak:

Ookii isn't this more Adobe's fault rather than Apples?  Like how there is no 64 bit flash still?


http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=6b3af6c9 (http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=6b3af6c9)

http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/06/17/adobe-already-has-iphone-version-of-flash-running-on-emulator/

Adobe has it working.

So, what app is being used by the iPhone when one browses Youtube on it? Is it some odd iPhone only hybrid flash player developed by adobe, or is it some other odd partnership?

Youtube streams H2.64 videos out to the iPhone.

Flash supports H.264 now (though it didn't at the time of the iPhone launch) but the iPhone YouTube app is not using Flash since the iPhone supports H.264 natively (e.g. the iPhone iPod video player can play H.264 videos).

My google skills are mad weak, but how much does AT&T charge to break the 2 year contract?

Couldn't you just buy the phone, then pay the cancellation fee?

I think it's $175.

Here's what mine says, but I bet it changes for iPhones:

lol.

Its gotta be different for the iphone.

Otherwise, that's what? 200+175= <400 bucks to take it off network?

Hrm, think it's $200 for TMobile also prorated.  So, that'd be like...$120 to break my contract there.

Eff it, I'm getting one.  They'll solve the flash thing somehow.

My Mom just told me she is getting one. 

Words really failed me.  I spent five minutes trying to convince her that it was not the best idea.  She went through all of the features and explained why it would be a good fit for her.

She is sixty-seven years old...

Time to buy more Apple stock.

 :grin:

I've always figured the iPhone would be good for older folks with the usual vision problems and such; it has fucking huge buttons on the keypad.

It is very good for the vision thing. Unfortunately the lack of tactile feedback and no way to "feel" the buttons on screen makes it way too easy to punch in the wrong numbers. I'd rail on the phone UI as well but my firmware is old and they've been making small improvements so I don't want to complain about stuff that may no longer be true.

Just FYI, cause I didn't see it in this thread, that not only is the IPhone 3G plans $30 for data, it also will no longer include text messages like before.

I think I am the only person though who does not want an all purpose device, at least not on my phone.  I'd rather get a real GPS device because the screens are bigger (and I can keep it in my car) and I'd rather have a DS for gaming because the battery lasts longer and has more screen real estate (if you consider both screens).  I like the phone I have now because on one charge it can last me 3-4 days which means  I can forget to charge it once or twice and still be able to use it when I need it.  Then again, for most of the day I have access to the net already, and the few times in the day that  I don't (hanging out with friends, exercising, etc...) I don't really care to have access to the net.

I might consider getting the ipod touch when my current nano stops working but that depends if I feel like spending $400+ on an mp3 player, especially since my workplace doesn't have wireless (and I'm by my computer all the time anyway).

I was in the same boat as you, but have found it to be extraordinarily useful. While a dedicated device is much nicer generally, I don't always want to carry my man purse, so it's nice to have an all-in-one solution for somethings. Web browsing can be good for killing some time, but where it really shines is when you need to get directions/information from an email when you are out of the house. I've also found the real-time traffic info and Google Maps searching invaluable. For example, I was furniture shopping with my mom for her living room. After a few failed store searches, she decided she really wanted to go to an Ethan Allen. Bust out the maps app, type in ethan allen, and a few seconds later all of the Ethan Allens within about 15 miles of our location popped up. I tapped the nearest one and we were ready to rock with directions.

I can certainly see not living la vida smartphone, but there is a lot to be said for it as well.

I completely agree KD, and the fees are going to be outrageous.  It's going to end up costing me like....$80/mo just for like 450 mins, unlimited text, and data access. 

But it's so shiney.  And I've found myself several times wanting a new mp3 player, a new phone, and a GPS unit.

The battery life is going to kill me though.  Going to have to buy a charger for the office, a charger for the house and a charger for the car.  And hope that I'm never away from one of those for more than......what? 4 hours?

I'm not sure what ya'll are talking about with the battery life.

From what I read the battery was exceptional.  No one spends 5 hours straight talking, not even the most energetic 15 year old girl spends 5 straight hours on the phone. 7 hours of video?  24 hours of audio playback?  I doubt if you will have to charge the thing more than once every three or four days.

Are the published numbers all BS?

Battery life numbers are always bullshit.  Estimate about 70% of what they tell you.

Also, it's an all in one device.  For someone who is hugely media dependent, I could forsee using this constantly.  MP3 @ work, videos on the shitter/lunch browsing.  Phone calls, emails all the time.

if its comparable to the current IPhone, its battery life is fine, assuming you do not dick with wireless networks and heavy browser content. That's what kills my iphone's battery fast. Avoiding those two, I can go up to 48 hours without having to think about it, and that's with checking email 3 times a day, listening to over 4 hours a day of stuff, and making the odd call. Light useage, I know.

Cool.  That's good to know.  I've just got really low expectations for battery life.

Also, if I'm charging it constantly, battery life diminishes doesn't it?

Pretty much, although I'm always charging my 1st gen ipod nano (1st gen had the worst batteries of all the nanos supposedly) and it still seems to hold a charge for a long time.  However, their powerbook batteries seem to die quickly from what I hear so who knows how fast or slow the IPhone's battery will hold.

*edit* Oh yeah and my coworkers that have iphones have to charge once a day, and it still has gone out for them by the end of the day.  They use it a lot for web browsing, texting, and talking but still.  I personally don't trust it to last long periods of time.

I don't remember, to be honest. Some tech explained it to me at some point, saying that some types of lithium batteries actually want constant recharging to preserve battery life, whereas other batteries last longer if you only charge them when its needed. I think the iPhone is the latter, but I could be wrong.

To echo what KallDrexx said, if you browse the web a lot, use image heavy apps or videos, your iPhone won't last half a day. If you're using it as a phone, checking email and an mp3 player, it'll last 2-3 days easy. I use it for the latter, and hence I'm happy.

Mine two, three days for normal usage, two days if I go heavy on the instant messaging or surfing.

I can get two days pretty easily on my iPhone, even with a fair amount of web surfing and music listening. I generally charge it every night though.

How I had it explained to me is that some lithium batteries keep their charge better if you completely drain (condition the battery) rather than constanlty recharge when it doesn't really need it.  From what I was told this was due to "memory" issues where the battery forgets what it's lowest charge is and moves it up, so thus you get less battery life as you go on.

The other type (that I know apple uses cause I saw docs for it when I bought my nano) is that the batteries usually last X number of charge cycles, but if you charge it from half charge it only counts as 0.5 cycles, so it doesn't matter how often or when you recharge it.

On iPhone, WiFi is the big battery pig. If you disable it, you will notice a big difference — you can milk a charge for up to a week with normal usage. With Wi-Fi, I must recharge on a daily basis as the visual indicator can be very deceiving once battery is at any point other than full power.

And obviously, watching videos and extended browsing dial it down much faster than audio iPod/phone usage.

Curious to see how 3G affects it, especially if GPS is enabled too, it will be a battery hog and I noted that their quotes in the WWDC presentation didn't specify if all the "features" were turned on, what that meant for battery consumption usage statistics.

Only true for archaic NiCad batteries, not relevant for lithium batteries.

Actually true on Lithium batteries as well. Just not in the same way. These batteries have a certain span of charge cycles and after that number of cycles is hit, mac charge capacity starts to degrade. That said, there are always exceptions to this rule, but those are generally the minority. The memory effect isn't the same, per-se, but it does have a similar ultimate result.

So there is no advantage in letting them run completely out until I recharge them, which is something I do since my first Ipod battery crapped out on me?

Probably not.  In the 2-3 years I've had my nano I've never let it completely discharge (or close to it) and it still has great battery life.  I always just hook it up when I have my plug available.

Yes, Lithium based batteries have a limited life time.

They have no memory effect like Nickel based technologies.

This thread says it's the iPhone 3G thread.  WHO'S EXCITED?

3 days bitches, already got cleared by ATT for an account!  :drill: :drillf: :drill: :drillf: :drill: :drillf:

I just can't pull the trigger knowing that there will probably be a 32 gig iPhone by X-Mas.   :sad:

What is the purpose of a $300+ phone, and what has to amount to a $100 (or more) wireless bill every month?

Jebus.  No wonder people complain they're broke.

Dude, my NAS has an ARM 9 processor and runs a stripped down version of Linux that I can access via SSH from which I can stream media to an XBOX 360, PS3 or iTunes.  With an iPhone and unlimited data plan, and depending on how robust the new SDK is, I will be able to stream 100's of movies & 10's of thousands of songs to myself (almost) ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD!!!

I ask you how is that not worth 1200 bucks a year in service fees?    :drill:

Oh cmon the iPhone is only $199^* and the Plan is only 70 dollars per month.^**  Anyway it's only for 2 or 3 years until Android becomes more mature and super slick phones start coming out that support it.

*Good version costs $299, also known as the 16gb variant.
**70 dollars a month calculation does not include text messaging, text messages cost 5 dollars per month for 200, 15 for 1500, and 20 for unlimited.

I don't even go to my mom's to do laundry any more. Maybe you need to go to more interesting places where you don't need to watch movies.

Apple can choke on a dick. That plan pricing is horrendous. And makes no sense.

I guess I'm too old fashioned or just a plain stick in the mud, but I can think of alot better things to do with 1200 dollars over the course of a year (or the life of the contract).


Exactly.  Which one of you technojunkies is going to get the base version? 

Me. I'd spend $200 bucks on an iPhone but not $300. And I already have a data plan (cell bill is $80/month) so it'd just be a new phone for me. I don't carry music around with me or anything, so I don't need a lot of room. But I'll wait a month or so after release so I don't have to camp out the Apple store to get one.

Ookii simply reflects my excitement.

I've been reading this shit all week.

I'm super super excited.  Ookii, think I should go get preapproved etc. at the local store?  Should I show up early on Friday?

What's this streaming stuff that I"m hearing about?  OH JESUS I WANTS.

I was going to get an ipod nano anyways, this is like +100 for a phone and internets everywhere.  I already wanted a data phone because I've found myself in too many situations wanting to be able to check my email, check directions, or a movie or something.

Works for me.

$70 + $15 = ~$100/month.  Whatever.  That's like 2 hours of overtime bitches.

If I can get one in the Great White North on Friday, I will.

So many odd rules about who can and can not get the phone up here.  My eyes glaze over reading through the over one-hundred seventy page thread on howardforums about Rogers and their planned policies for the 11th.

I called to make sure there would be no hangups, as long as your credit is fine you won't have to put down a deposit.  I remember from the last iPhone launch that they still had some left at the end of the day, I thought I would head out midday to an Apple store since they all get a crapload of them.

Then again I might just wait in line  :drill:

I pay ~$70 per month and that includes enough minutes and unlimited internets. Plus 200 SMS messages.

The new plan will add $10 a month I believe (for data plan) and SMS no longer free (think it's $5 for 200 messages or another $20 for unlimited).

I will not upgrade as the lure of 3G is not enough to offset the increase in monthly cost (in addition to shelling out for new phone) and SMS deduction (I probably use half my quota per month). Also, I spend most of my waking life in a cloud covered by WiFi, and when not, Edge is typically good enough for fetching emails and firing off and receiving short missives.

I like my iPhone — it means I have calendar, PDA functionality, phone, video viewer, email, iPod and camera rolled into one slim gadget. Sure it's the EQ bard of mobile phones, all glitzy, jack of all trades but master of none. Odd that "phone" usage is one of the least utilized factors about it for me.

That said, Apple dropping the ball. Has huge head start and forced lock-in is never a good deal. It's only working for them right now because the rest of the market (at least U.S. side, can't speak for Europe, Asia, Africa, South America, Australia, etc.…) is stuck in 1998 or now clumsily trying to clone the iPhone.

I was all set to hold off on upgrading until today, where I realized I spend an extraordinary amount of time waitng for all our damn avatars to load. 10 bucks to to get twenty minutes of my life back is totally worth it. The forums software needs a mobile mode.

It has a mobile mode. I just don't have the address handy.

My blackberry defaults to a stripped down site with just text.

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?wap

Edit: There's also

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?wap2

Cant you just turn avatars off?

Problem is, iPhone works better with traditional web site views as opposed to special "mobile" versions. The only caveat is that full width type pages just need a meta tag (i.e., &lt;meta name="viewport" content="width=520"&gt; — doesn't have to be 520, but under 800 or so would be advisable).

NM, the wap2 option seems to be golden!

Except it seems to be "read only" mode.

I actually started work on a super sekrit iPhone template but didn't get very far. It's actually available for selecting if you want to see it. One big problem is that it doesn't look good when you view things on a regular computer so you would have to constantly switch back and forth which is a huge pain. What I would need to do is write some browser detection code and have it switch to that skin when it detects the iPhone Safari browser.

The meta viewport tag is all that is needed on most sites.

My tumblelog (http://azspot.net) for instance, as well as tumblr.com main & dashboard work just as well on iPhone as they do on monitor + widescreen or laptop...

Sites with multiple columns all that is needed is a double-tap in that column.

Unfortunately it's not for most forum programs. The page numbers are FAR too close together to be able to easily select with a finger tip. And there are other issues like that as well that make it hard to use on an iPhone.

Nonsense.

Works excellent with Google groups and other web forum software. Perhaps it's just a PHPBB/SMF issue…

Try it for yourself. Try selecting a page number without zooming waaaay in.

I will attest that attempting to browse the f13 boards with your iPhone on the bus on the way to work will reduce me to tears of streaming rage.

f13 was one of the first sites I hit when I got my phone, still hit it daily.

well you must have dainty pixie fingers. I have potato fingers.

That wap2 page is definitely faster, but I think I'll stick to the pretty version. I like my shinies.

Still no Bluetooth Stereo :uhrr:

Won't hitting your phone void the warrenty?

Depends if that's the same thing as a warranty.

http://www.apple.com/retail/iphone/ (http://www.apple.com/retail/iphone/)

What in the hell is this universal password/pin which will allow them to switch over me phone number?  I'll have to figure that out.

You get that PIN from your current carrier. Dial 611 on your phone. (Unless you've got sprint, then you'll probably have to hit a sprint store and find out from them).

And hitting your phone won't void the warranty if you hit it lightly enough. =)

I'm surprised they didn't ask for a birth certificate. Those requirements are fucking ridiculous. No way I'm giving Apple my SSN#.

See, Ookii said all phone plans require SSN. I'm 99% sure I did not have to give Sprint my SSN.

They need it for a credit check but I'd rather just buy it from AT&T then rather than give it to Apple as well since AT&T already has mine.

If I had to pick a single picture, this one encapsulates the iphone in it's entirety:

(http://www.filedump.net/dumped/starbucks1215704361.JPG)

Here's a kind of useful one, but like most apps, it's priced 3x what it should be. They want $15 for it:

(http://www.filedump.net/dumped/dcmap1215704740.JPG)


The ebook/text reader that they want $15 for is vastly inferior to the one you can download from the jailbroken app.installer. They seriously need to drop the price on a lot of these, they are way overpriced.

And really reandom. I mean, $10 for an atomic orbital viewer? All the "education" ones are expensive. Some of these are nice but I'm not dumping $200 worth of apps onto my phone.

(http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/1125.gif)

lol

the cheering mac people is ++

They did that. I got my phone on the first day for the original release, and they did in fact cheer and high-five you as you came in and left. There was a whole group of people for whom that was their only job that day.

The authors price their own shit, once they find out nobody will buy it for 15 dollars or so hopefully they'll lower them.

I'm astounded by the number of people charging a buck for a "flashlight" application that makes the screen go white.

I can't count the ways I hate Apple.

Good point, since people buying Apple products are concerned about spending their money wisely.

13 HOURS and I get to spend $500 on shiney things.

SO EXCITED.  Now I'm paranoid I won't get one if I don't wait in line.  I guess I have to see what the stock counts are at 9pm tonight.

Especially because there is one for free in the store.

Welcome to the world of Mac software pricing. There just isn't that large an ecosystem of software developers on the Mac compared to Windows and as a consequence much if not most of the good 3rd party GUI software for the Mac costs money whereas on Windows there are tons of good freeware apps available cause there's so much competition.

I grabbed the leaked 2.0 software link and installed it by hand. All I can say is  :drill: :drill: :drill: Pandora alone makes it all worthwhile, the iTunes remote app is supremely rad, and Box Office is full of win.

My roomie is skipping out on part of his training at work on a very important system to grab an iPhone. I don't like this. He works at my school in a department that oversees the software that runs EVERYTHING.

SkyNet???

/fail

Went to local ATT store @ 7am.  Waited until 8:30a when the guy came out and said, first 12 people get iphones, rest will have to order, delivery guaranteed in a week.

I was like 17.  Left.  Won't be here.

/sadface

Edit: Sigh, no time to wait in another 2 hour line.  Fuck.  I'm pissed now.

Editx2: Does that iphone stock tracker work on the website? It doesn't give me shit.

Key phrase here is 'kind of useful', that is, useful to people who couldn't figure out how to get from Morgan Boulevard to Navy Yard on their own.


Unfortunately those people can't afford an iPhone because they already spent 130% of their disposable income on lottery tickets, Milk Duds and cigarettes.


OMFG I should change at the station where the two lines cross!

Four words.

"People from somewhere else"

Of course, I wouldn't pay money for that, but a subway plan for a city I am visiting for free? Downloaded

It's useful cause it has times and it has a map and travel times if you ever need to plan an unfamiliar route. Obviously if you take the same route day in and day out always at the same times it's not that useful.

As an aside one of my cousins used to live near that GMU station -- I used it to get into D.C. to go sightseeing.

Yeah the big deal is the actual train times, not the map.

DC is weird, especially on the weekends, some trains are more than 20 minutes apart. It's nice to know exactly when you have to get to the station and exactly how long it's going to take you to get where you're going if you have to do a transfer.

It's also got delay notification and crap like that, but I suspect it pulls from the DC website so things aren't going to be completely up to date. It's fairly neat, and the company sells all the cities separately for $15.

If it was $5 I'd buy it. $15? No.


I heard from my friend who got a phone that they are having all sorts of activation difficulties. He can't even get his phone to work, it won't activate. Some others are having the same problem.

Ya, massive activiation problems.

Buddy of mine at an apple store in denver said that they have ridiculous amounts of stock of these things (might be his store only) and that if I don't feel like lining up today, I should check the availability thingy tonight and drop in tomorrow or sunday morning.

Might have to get a white one though.

Which store? Flat Irons?

Same problem with updating my old one. At least I presume its the same problem

(http://media.tumblr.com/XwaS1eue5bafgbmqUT9Fngvp_500.png)

My iPhone is a brick, at the time of this writing… …2.0 update process restored, now stuck, unable to "activate" w/iTunes store…

Fuck Apple and AT&T both…

Yeah, same here. Tried again after 10 minutes and it worked. Is now restoring the content on my iphone.

That doesn't make it better though. Amateur hour, Apple!

This is even more epic fail whale...
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39029453,49298124,00.htm


Real Fscking Geniuses

I for one will not be plugging in my 1.4 first gen iPhone till this is fixed.

Considering that Apple is touted as 'user friendly', I went through hell on wheels when I first got the iPhone to get it activated, so I know how they can seriously mess up a firmware upgrade like this.

Hahahaahahaha. Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. That's awesome.

Oddly enough, I went to a non-carrier dealer about two hours after they opened and walked out with a new 3G iPhone in under thirty minutes.

New activation, new contract and not a problem.

From what I can see, people who went to Fido or Rogers Canada stores before eight this morning (in the rain!) are still waiting for their iPhones.  One "flagship" store had activated a grand total of four phones in four hours.  Fucking epic lawl. 

I never even considered a non-carrier store.

Can you get them at those shitty kiosks?

I thought new iPhones were only available at Apple stores this time around?

Me too.  Or Carrier stores (aka ATT in US).

Two and a half hour from waiting in line an hour after they opened to receiving my shiny 16gb Black iPhone.

Good luck ookii!

I'm going to check availability after close tonight and maybe try again tomorrow morning.  Although, the store at the mall said they "anticipate having enough to fill out demand until people stop asking tonight" so I have no idea what that means.

Yes, in Canada one can get an iPhone at shitty kiosks and shoddy multi-carrier resellers.

A shitty kiosk had four more 16GB units than the "flagship" at the mall.

I have to say, I did go to a mall that was away from the subway/rail lines, off a toll road and no where near a bus route or housing development.

Who the hell decided to put a mall far away from any convenient means to get there?!

Canadians.

Canada is unusual cause Apple is "protesting" Rogers' high rates for the new phone. Apple dramatically reduced the number of phones Rogers got and supposedly they decided not to sell them in their own Apple Stores.

It's even more hilarious cause the 2.0 firmware was cracked/unlocked even before the phone was released today. So all this does is massively inconvenience the people who don't even care about unlocking their phones. Sort of how like copy protection works these days...

Ok.

I'm 6th in line at the Apple Store this morning.

FINGERS CROSSED.

I called, they have five in stock.

woo!!!!

Thank you, Apple.  The Schadenfreude is delicious.

Remote is love, and now has me in the market for an apple tv.

Box office is love,

For you myspace users, the app works great


From my point of view as a touch user with access to wifi at all my haunts, this is all about the apps. I am now doubly happy with my touch purchase.

2.0 activated on my non 3G iPhone when I got home from work yesterday.

DLed some apps and I have to say most of them suck heartily. A glorified web front end is not what I had in mind for an "app" -- Good Gates we already have an excellent Browser (Safari) on the device, why do we need a less featured, shinier UI to do the same?

And I'm not paying $ for an app that I haven't tried out first. Companies are going to have to put out "lite" versions and/or post video demo walktrhus on their site before I fork over cash for a phone app…

However, Pandora on iPhone was worth the 2.0 upgrade temporary-brickage in itself.

Love the Remote, like Shazam for the sheer entertainment value of showing off my mad music skills in bars (as if). Wating for input by others which paid apps are actually worth buying.

Instapaper developed by Tumblr lead developer Marco Arment is a good one - it does the "offline" storage but you have to tag articles from a normal web browser (with JS bookmarklet). Once DLed (via update button) in the app, you can read offline. And his app will do "web" or "text" format, and unlike all the other apps I've seen thus far, you can rotate into landscape view...

Urbanspoon is amazingly awesome, if you're in to that sort of thing.

Are you using regular Edge network to stream Pandora? Also, any hitches upgrading to 2.0? I'm still scared :/

As I spend most of my day enveloped in a WiFi cloud (work, home all wifi-ed), didn't even think about, out today didn't even try it while shopping… …but just disabled WiFi on iPhone and am listening to a Bob Dylan song right now… …working for the most part, takes a minute to load and occasionally stutters…

The only app I've bought so far was Super Monkey Ball, and it is pretty fun. The controls were really terrifying at first, but after 15 minutes of playing I've pretty much got them down. I'm not sure it is a must by, but it is pretty cool to see what the phone can pull off.

That poker dice game is worth $5.

Edit: What I like so far (Apps):

Urbanspoon is fucking amazing.
Game: MotionX Poker is damn fun ($5 totally worth it).
BoxOffice is convenient but not entirely neccessary.
Game: Aurora Feint is free and fun!  Think Puzzle Quest.
Pandora makes me wish I had a corner office for 3G or there was a wifi router half way up the building, other than that though, mad love, shame you can't run it in the background.
Still trying to get Jott to work, had some network/account issues earlier.

One provider have an exclusive deal with Apple here in Norway and they were sold out on release, so I'm getting one this week. Would like to hear more about which Apps etcetra are useful / useless. Ow, how is the sound on it ?

Sound seems fine.  Haven't had any problems really.  Although, my first experience w/ two-earphone cell talking made me aware at how bad cellphone sound in general is.
  Also, that I looked like a douchebag talking to no one.

Haha. This is my biggest problem with that stuff. Walking around and giggling, mumbling and rambling into thin air, my estimate is half of the people know what you are doing, the other half think you are straight out of looney-bin.

Pandora =  :drillf:

City transit if you live in NYC is three bucks and teh awesome. From subway advisories to using the GPS to tell you where the nearest subway stations are in relation to you.

Remote works with all my Macs, save my Mac Pro and my Apple TV

AIM is cool and finally works well on my phone, my only want there is that it work with gchat.

Pandora is the clear winner so far, but Apple needs to get the stick of their butt and allow Pandora to run in the background. It also needs to be able to put the album art/song title up as wallpaper just like the music player. Also, it needs to support double tap to skip songs/change volume. More or less, they need an API that lets an app say I'm the music player now.  Oh and links to buy the songs off the iTunes store.

There are links to buy the song off the iTunes store.

 :oh_i_see:

I signed up for the 60 day trial for Mobile Me, so far I'm really not impressed.  What's really great is that if you go to the official Apple Discussion forums everyone is bitching about it, apparently the 'push' is really just a timed sync.

I found out this morning the standard Fairplay DRM rule of "sync as many iPods as you want" applies to applications as well. My Monkey Ball copy synced up with my wife's phone and is totally playable.

What's the big difference (besides the me.com domain) from .mac? I saw the dog and pony show Jobs showed but its appeal seemed limited to corporate Exchange-y type implementations.

You know, I love my Macs, but I just never got the whole .mac/MobileMe deal? At least for what the cost is — google does IMAP and there are far cheaper hosting options. Apple fanboys love the service but even they acknowledge the syncing has never really been reliable.

It kills me — a few years back at startup company I worked for, office mates were all subscribers but used to bitch about how "you just don't get as much from .mac" — I (and the Linux guy) would just shrug and hold back comment…

Europa Universalis coming to iPhone/iPod Touch
http://www.macnn.com/articles/08/07/15/e.universalis.on.iphone/

This. Back in the day, Mac users were perceived as never stepping outside of their iLife/.mac world except to play in Adobe land. Meanwhile, PC users are about as faithful to Microsoft products as, eh, too tired for a good analogy. Decades of searching for better/cheaper on a computer we either had to build ourselves or are constantly fighting anyway.

I'll take my Google Apps/Docs/storage over anything Apple has any day. And it's free. And it's now supported on my Touch. Between that and all the new apps (most of which were predictable, and the rest easily avoidable of soon-to-be-Darwin'd ex-Jailbreak freebies), totally worth the cost.

Sitting on my iphone now, fairly suprised how awesome it is. Cannot get Pandora outside US it seems, that sucks.

Only thing still missing is the ability to sync the Podcasts directly on the Iphone. I see no reason for Apple to deny me that when I can even download Applications.

My iPhone died in Germany yesterday.  The phone can not see any networks even though my Motorola sees six.

I am not a happy camper.

Super bonus points for having customer care for international roamers that is only open from 9-7EST.

Did you try restoring the software?

My Iphones data services died on me recently. Phone and SMS worked, everything else was borked. It recovered by setting the networks settings back to default, but I had a bit of a scare there.

Yeah, I deleted my network settings a few times and then did a fresh install.

Still did not work...

Skyped my provider when I finally found a stable 'net connection and found out that they had "hotlined" my account because of suspected fraud.  I said, "wtf?" and told them that I was traveling.  After ten minutes, my phone was working again.

Hooray for paranoid providers.

So who else has a lovely 200 dollar phone bill?  :awesome_for_real:

I decided to get a second monitor instead, maybe in a couple of months. The whole 'can't run 3rd party apps and answer the phone at the same time' thing pisses me off.

200 Dollars? There is no data flat for the thing in the US? I never managed to exceed my 3gig data limit.

First month plus next month plus activation fee.

Shrug.

I figured someone else got their shiny iPhone on day 1 and had a similar bill, guess not!

Has anyone 'transitioned' from the original iPhone to the new one? Do you have to create a whole new account to use the 3g network rather than Edge? lazy posters like me want to know.

My first bill was CAD112.

Hahahaha. Sounds like Ookii got fucked.

Oh, Ookill will have the last laugh.  My second one is going to be over three thousand.  I incurred two thousand one hundred dollars worth of roaming charges from just one night of drunken "let's find our houses on google maps" games.  It was kind of cool at the time since everyone at the table was at least twenty years older than me and they were really enjoying the iphone's interface. 

Two days later my provider shut off the phone because they had never seen someone use that much data in such a short period of time while roaming.  See above, doh.  Thank god I can expense the bill.

At least you were explicitly using your phone. In the early days people were racking up thousands of dollars in data roaming charges traveling to foreign countries from the "push" email feature. I.e. they had their phone in "sleep" mode but the phone still checked for email on a regular basis.

Wait, what. Roaming data fees? AT&T is bullshit.

I've never been charged more than the monthly unlimited data plan.

I haven't been out of the country since I got the iPhone, though…

Never leave home.

And I took the plunge.

It was rather nice while traveling the last week to just pop it out and check F13 or my fantasy football teams or directions to the stadium without having to worry about lugging my laptop around.

Yea, F13 on Safari on the iPhone/Touch looks better than the mobile version of F13. Now, if someone were to go ahead and make a style formatted specifically for the iPhone...  :grin:

I think trippy was looking into it, but I don't know the status of it. I'm sure someone has made an iphone SMF theme by now though.

(http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/1468/store.apple.com/Catalog/regional/amr/macbookpro/img/overview-hero.jpg)

I'm getting one.  What should I get with it?  Do I need the extended warranty or am I fine with the man'f standard?  Software?  Can you still torrent on a mac?

Exciting!

Applecare is awesome. I highly recommend it. My experience with Apple support has been very positive. UTorrent works on OS X I believe.

The only must have piece of software I can think of is VMWare Fusion. We have both Parallels and Fusion at work, and pretty much everyone agrees that Fusion is much faster. Otherwise, OS X comes with a pretty nice spread of software by default. Personally I like the Apple office suite iWork. It has fewer bells and whistles than MS Office, but I find the apps very pleasant to use.

Lots of folks like Adium as a chat client. I'm lazy and have stuck with iChat. You'll want Flip4Mac to watch wmv files. Oh, strangely enough, you should get Real Player. it has a lovely feature where it saves every Flash video that plays on your computer. You can then pick and choose which ones you want to keep.

I'll second Applecare.

Prospero, what do you think about boot camping into XP natively rather than running Fusion? I've got a couple boot campers here in the office that I love, but the supervisor is thinking about Fusion for his machine.

Also, fucking envy on the Hat. I would love to toss that in the center of my recording studio, maybe running a Digi002 off it...

uTorrent for the Mac is still coming soon, but there's a torrent app called 'Transmission' that's relatively lightweight and works great.

I just started using VMWare Fusion, and can't imagine why anyone would want to reboot their PC every time they wanted to make use of a Windows App.  Unless there's a technical reason for it like app incompatibility with VMWare, I wouldn't use BootCamp at all.

If you like/collect digital Comics at all, ComicBookLover is basically iTunes for your digital comics and works quite well.

Use Perian instead of Flip4Mac.

I have Adium but only reason I have it is because a friend was blocked from Skype at his work site.

Use Skim (free with extra note taking features) to read PDFs instead of Adobe or Preview (though Preview is OK for quick photo converting).

Firefox has an add-on that does the Flash DL & save routine.

Other Mac apps I use on daily basis: Skitch, Audacity (all platforms), TextMate, NetNewsWire (RSS Reader), Parallels (though I hear VMWare Fusion > Parallels these days…), Terminal…

The thing I like about Fusion is you don't have to choose. It can run your Bootcamp install as a virtual machine. When you need to use a graphically intense app you can reboot into your Bootcamp install, but otherwise you can just use Fusion. XP runs plenty fast on Fusion on my Mac Pro. I do Windows development of a 2D visualization app and both Visual Studio and my app run plenty fast.

The other thing I like is it plays really well with Leopard. I have one space devoted to Windows. One key whack and I'm in full screen Windows. Unity is also pretty damn sweet, but my brain prefers the full context switch. Honestly, Fusion + BootCamp + OS X + Windows is motherfucking civilization.

Parallel can use your Bootcamp install as the virtual machine as well. Has done for a while. That said I prefer Fusion.

Yah...we're talking mini here  :oh_i_see: Maybe an older macbook pro on a good day.

I haven't tried skim yet, but I have yet to run into a situation where Preview didn't do everything I wanted related to PDFs.  I made the mistake when I first got my Mac (switching from a PC) of installing Acrobat right away.  I quickly realized I didn't need it.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know of an app that will go through your preferences files and delete the ones that are associated with an app that's no longer installed?  I know there are quite a few apps that will do it if they were present on your system when you installed an app and then uninstalled, or at the time of uninstallation, but I haven't heard of one that deletes leftover prefs.

On Windows, there's a great app I like called CCleaner that does a great job of cleaning up leftover files and registry entries that are no longer needed.  I don't have any system related issues on my Mac, but I'm just curious if there's anything out there.

Hmm, I'm not sure then. We have a number of first gen intel iMacs running it, and they don't seem stabby, but they don't use it as a primary OS in that fashion. I can ask how they feel about it.

I wonder if Blizzard will make D3 scalable enough to run on a 9400M.

Hmmm.

Late to the party, but ALWAYS get the Applecare.

Anyone know of any macro for the iPhone?

I have a proxy page I need to log through in order to use the wi-fi here, and have the login and password. It's just a hassle to always need to do it. I have no idea how long the iPhone/Touch remembers a proxy login nor even whether it's the device that controls that memory. Regardless, I'm basically forced to login every 10 or so minutes for the entire duration of the sort of crazy-long meetings I need to occasionally need to attend.

Basically, I'd want the macro to:

1) Open Safari and wait for the proxy page to load
2) Click the username field and enter text
3) Click the password field and enter text
4) Click the button on the page.

I haven't found a macro to do that. Safari doesn't remember passwords on the iPhone.  I look forward to someone figuring out how to do this efficiently and inexpensively.

If it is a web HTML form, and the if "submit" action is accepting of HTTP GET action, you could easily setup a bookmarklet to fire off (still take 2 clicks, one to press bookmark icon, then your shortcut bookmarklet…)…

But the awkward setup of this requires you create it through Safari on your desktop computer and then sync bookmarks with iPhone…

There is a new game for the iPhone going on sale later this week called Puzzllotto.  Whoever finishes the game first wins the prize money, one thousand a day that accumulates for up to 30 days.  The game doesn't tell you how to play it or what to do to win, you just have to figure it out.

http://puzzllotto.com/ (http://puzzllotto.com/)

Edit: After reading the rules it looks like the actual prize for solving it on the first day is a trophy, then it goes to one thousand dollars a day for 30 days.  Looks like a scam to me!

Hmm ok. How can I tell if the submit button is accepting of HTTP GET action? And how do I do the other voodoo you mentioned? :-)

If you have to ask... :awesome_for_real:

If you really want to know you'll have learn some about the HTTP protocol. If you "view source" on this page and search for "form action=" you'll see something like this (not spaced so nicely):


A form tag is used to setup the form UI widgets such as the input text box for the search at the top of the page (input type="text"). It can also have a "submit" button, in this case named "Search". In the form tag you can see that the submit button uses the post action (method="post"). However, in turns out you can send the search request using a GET command.

To do that you need to figure out the names of the input fields (like username and password) and pass those field names with their values in the URL. In this example we just have the search text box which has the name "search". To pass those parameters in the URL the format is <base_url>?<widget_name1>=<value1>&<widget_name2>=<value2>&...

The base URL is "http://forums.f13.net/index.php" in this example and it's already passing in one parameter pair "action=search2" so to do a GET search we tack on the search parameter as such:

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?action=search2&search=Jacobs

where in the above example I'm searching for references to "Jacbos".

If there was no "?action=search" in the URL, the search URL would look like this:

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?search=Jacobs

So to make up an example to log in using GET it might look like:

http://example.com/login.php?username=Darniaq&password=foobar

Note that in this example you are passing along the password "in the clear" which is generally a bad bad idea. Even if you use an HTTPS connection the bookmark you setup will still have the username and password pair visible so people that get a hold of your iPhone or poke around your desktop computer might see it.

I ask so people smarter than me can answer  :grin:

Thanks man. I went to the Source (heh) but wasn't really sure what to look for. You answered that right up so I'll be digging again.

As to security, a good point. However, I'm comfy with this because it's just to get access to the wi-fi signal, not VPN access to the actual network. I'd be the same as me going to the airport and logging in through Boingo's proxy page with my account, except I wouldn't do this for that because I'd get charged for it on pay-as-you-go.

I just want my google calendar, outlook calendar, and iphone calendar sync'd.

Is that so much to ask?

I  have been able to do that.  That isn't hard unless you want it sync'd in real time. 

Outlook <> Google = http://www.google.com/support/calendar/bin/answer.py?answer=89955

Google <> iPhone = https://www.nuevasync.com/

It'll also do your contacts if you'd like as well.  Anything else?

Yea, wtf is up with updating apps via iphone?  Ever since 2.1 I get "Download Unavailable" after it has downloaded and loaded resulting in two icons per app.  One grayed out which I delete and the other is the updated app.  No big problem but once you sync you have to download it again via itunes. 


In a related question.  Anyone have a favorite program to manage your itunes library between a ipod, iphone and a laptop?  My laptop gave died a couple weeks ago, as soon as my new laptop arrives I'll need to migrate all my stuff.  I looked at media monkey and a few others, any one better than the other?

Well that doesn't sound good at all, I would do a full restore of your phone in guess there's some funny business going on in there.  If that still doesn't work I would go to the Apple Store and they'll probably just swap it out for you.

My phone has never done that!

Did you jailbreak it?

Nope.  Stock 16gig, 2.1 firmware and current itunes.  I'll give it a week or two to see if 2.2 will be released, if not I guess I'll drop by ATT or Apple.  It's not a major PITA but between this and the 10 meg ATT d/l limit I am considering taking the plunge and jailbrealk it.

the inability to perform logical word wrapping in email is really annoying.

I feel like I should just be able to tap something to stop the never ending sentences.

:oh_i_see:

Like a return key maybe?  *cough*bottom right corner, bright blue*cough*, *cough* sorry, something stuck in my throat...   :why_so_serious:

I meant in emails I receive, not that I type.

 :awesome_for_real:

Pressing "enter" is the EXACT OPPOSITE of logical word wrapping.

OHHH.  My expectations must be low, I guess, I haven't noticed anything odd.  Word doesn't fit on this line?  Stick it on the next.  I mean, the screen isn't that big but it seems to work.

Also, Schild?  Dork.

Right because reading things
that look like this wouldn't
ever possibly get annoying
if people were hitting enter
whenever they think they should
be hitting it. It gets even better
when I have Thunderbird open and
I get mail from someone and
it looks like this in my reader thus
making it look way too long and
way too annoying and written by
someone with the IQ of a
motherfucking grapefruit.

Damnit AT&T has all the cool phones. iPhone, that new Blackberry, some cool Ericssons and Nokias..

ALL, HOMBRE?

heh

I have 5 email accounts or so my phone checks and I haven't had a word wrapped challenged email yet.

Seems to be limited to people that send me messages via yahoo. 

So, business emails work fine but personal emails from a few people are borked.

I highly recommend the new OpenTable app. In about 4 taps you can get reservations at any nearby restaurant they support. it They need a button to get a map and to call the place, but outside of that, it is pretty slick. And free.  :drill: Also awesome and free is Google Earth.

I would love a Michelin Guide application or even an offline Zagat guide for the iPhone.

Arise!

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2009/03/kevin-rose-appl.html

Only really substantial bit of news is 3.0 will have copy/paste. Still no background apps that Apple themselves didn't make (mail still checks itself), still no video recording (which is ok because the camera itself sucks anyway).

Perhaps:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/apple_iphone_3_0_event_tomorrow_might_reveal_a_tablet

Even if it's not the new 10" device, Apple tends to release software when it is forced to by hardware requirements.

OH IT'S iPHONE DAY BITCHES.

Only 18 more minutes!

Fuck yeah, peer 2 peer gaming finally.

As someone who wants to work on the iphone, push notification is :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

yeah, I still hope we get background processes at some point. The app I was looking to write makes a lot more sense if it can track your location automatically.

I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't get backround processes until there was a new hardware revision. I mean, it'd be nice, but most people will just outright kill their battery if they allow that. It would be bad news.

Hardware can't fix that problem.  It's a software issue entirely.  Apple is going for the easy solution here, given that the "real" solution is pretty goddamn difficult.

Yeah, it'd be nice to actually have working IM apps, too.

App and developer functionality

    * Peer-to-peer connectivity over Bluetooth for gaming and other info-swapping.
    * Paid apps will have the potential to be subscription fee-based, and can include optional paid content that can be bought from right inside the app.
    * Developers can now build apps that call out to Google Maps, and can also finally bring Apple-blessed turn-by-turn to the phone.
    * Devs can also connect with hardware accessories over in their apps now, such as a blood pressure monitor -- or perhaps a keyboard? Connectivity works through the dock connector or over Bluetooth.
    * Long-promised push functionality will at last be included, but apps won't run in the background.
    * Developers can add streaming video and audio to their apps, along with in-game voice use.

General functionality

    * Cut, copy and paste. At last! You can shake the phone to undo and redo the action, and it works with both text and photos, allowing Mail to send multiple photos at a time. (more here)
    * Landscape keyboard available in all major apps.
    * MMS, along with forward and delete for multiple messages. (more here)
    * CalDAV support.
    * A new app called Voice Memos which lets you record notes and reminders.
    * A2DP stereo Bluetooth.

Search

    * Spotlight has been added to a new home screen page to the left of existing pages.
    * Apple's major apps have all been expanded with search functionality.


Available this summer, free for 3g and original iPhones, 10 bucks for iTouches.  MMS and A2DP won't work for original iPhones.

Actually, available now if you are a registered iphone dev.

All they did was announce the OS. You can pay $99 to become an Apple iPhone developer and get it now, along with the SDK. The OS will be released in "summer" which is the right time frame for the 10" touchscreens too. So they're formalizing the development process to get their sights on any interesting third party apps that could be launched with their upcoming Newton iPad.

Super Bump.

http://www.macrumorslive.com/

iPhone stuff starting now.

About the only things of interest there are the "find me" app and the ability to remote wipe.

Free iPhone OS 3.0 update is nice and the $29 Mac OS X upgrade is swell too.

Laptops with integrated batteries are a bit of a pisser.  I have never had an airplane's in-seat power system last through a whole transoceanic trip and love being able to pull out a spare battery to keep my laptop powered up. 

3G S?  Really, S?  Err...

iPhone++

* copy + paste (yay, only took 2 years ;()
* landscape keyboard in notes, mail, messages (was not available in some built-in apps hitherto)
* search all-in-one  (mail, notes, calendar, etc.… now it has all the features my old handspring PDA had)
* 32G model, 8G model discounted to $99
* 3-5X faster
* HTML5 compliant
* record/play 30fps video and easily MMS/email and/or upload to youtube/mobileMe
* 3 megapixel camera w/autofocus, auto white balance, auto exposure
* can trim video w/tap of finger
* built-in compass
* voice control
* improved battery performance
* tethering (though AT&T not offering to U.S. customers)

Yay auto-focus camera and 32GB.

It's so cute that schild is following Apple now :awesome_for_real:

Where did they say 3 - 5x faster? That would be quite some trick. Their Web site says "up to 2x faster".

Fuck AT&T. You can only get upgrade pricing if you have been in your contract for 18 months. I'm sorry, if I'm willing to sign my life away for two years I should be able to get your fancy pants pricing.

Startup + messages launch 2X faster, Safari + Javascript 3-5X faster… …searching where I saw that list, summary of keynote…

Safari has the latest Webkit/JavaScript enhancements. But essentially saying the phone has a 3x speed CPU is a bit :uhrr:

Edit: forgot to say that the CPU is 50% faster in the 3G S.

Thought it was interesting that TomTom is effectively making their service for the iPhone. They done on the device side?

The X faster comment was "2.1x faster with launching message, loading SimCity 2.4x faster, viewing an Excel attachment 3.6x faster. Loading NY Times — 2.9 times faster. All these speed tests running against iPhone 3G", as reported in Wired's Live Blog (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/liveblog-wwdc09/).

Also, I didn't see mentioned in Naum's list:

• Shake-to-Undo function, though I'm not entirely sure what you can Undo other than undo'ing a copy/paste.
• Greater Bluetooth support for wireless accessories in 3.0.
• Greater general support for accessories at all in 3.0.
• Not mentioned but implied by the voice command realtime log: dictaphone. Which is friggin awesome.
  
  

Finally, AT&T still looks as bad as ever. I particularly liked TechCrunch's commentary (http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/08/att-underscores-how-badly-it-sucks/).

Well I have one on order (my wife wants an iPhone anyways, so she can have my 3G - yay new gadget ... that's just like the old one), so I'll let you know if it's worth $300. Ouch.

Stupid TomTom Software only works with their own iPhone Accessory cradel/dongle. They're not using the internal GPS.

That is so far beyond dumb that there aren't words.

Not sure why you'd ever need TomTom anyway given the google maps integration.

Spoken directions/turn by turn.

Google Maps works OK, but it's really hard to tap those small arrows and read the next turn text while driving.

But I hear (ahem) that there are a couple of spoken nav apps coming to the app store soon.

 :oh_i_see:

 :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: iPhone 3GS.

Do you have a source for this?  I've read everything I can find on the TomTom app I've seen nothing that says the app won't work with the iPhone GPS.  The cradle does enhance the GPS signal though.  All the information I saw insinuated the cradle was an optional accessory.

The 3G S also has a more power GPU which is where some of the other speed ups come from. The PowerVR SGX in the 3G S also supports OpenGL ES 2.0 while the older iPhones only support ES 1.1 so at some point you'll likely see 3G S-only games appearing from developers who don't want to support both APIs.

Haven't been able to corroborate, but I imagine they'd either make the accessory a requirement, or this will come with a monthly fee analogous to what people pay for a TomTom device. That latter bit would explain why they waited for 3.0. They could have decided to start building the app the moment they learned 3.0 would include support for in-app purchases (sub and mtx).

This is just my opinion of course, but anything else would cannibalize their own business.

This article (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2348538,00.asp) suggests the cradle and the app are two separate products that compliment each other.  If the app does require the cradle, there has been absolutely nothing in the media up to this point that has mentioned it.  TomTom would be stupid to do that though since there are 2 other almost identical turn by turn apps being released before the TomTom app (see article) and they do not require cradles.

Oh and anyone balking at the 400 buck upgrade for existing 3gers, 3G phones are selling like hotcakes.  You can unload one for 300 bucks on craigslist easy, as long as you don't update to the new OS.

I thought it was like $599 or something.

It depends on how long you've had your existing contract with AT&T. They use a sliding scale that reduces the early termination fee by $5 a month. And this issue with 3G-to-3GS is because of the early termination fee being used to cover the otherwise loss AT&T would take for subsidizing your device.

Which is why there's a huge market right now for 3G phones. You can't leave an Apple/AT&T store without them activating it, but that's been cracked for awhile. Arms race begins anew with 3GS.

For myself, I'll be waiting until Verizon either substantiates or quells their rumored Apple device. I actually have no problem paying early termination fees for a better experience. With what I'm paying a month for the iPhone, the $175 charge is just two billing cycles anyway.

Still not happening. AT&T extended their exclusive contract through 2010 and are negotiating to add another year to that.

AT&T is by far the weakest link in the Apple chain right now. I'm pretty sure both sides know this.

As long as it doesn't get as bad as, say, Rogers in Canada, Apple doesn't care as long as AT&T keeps showering them with money.

I do think Apple cares, just not enough to pass up the aformentioned money shower.

They will get a money shower no matter who they go with. AT&T just sucks a fat one.

Lets hope you get out of this chokehold. A little competition works wonders.

Two days ago I preordered the new iphone with our second iphone provider (the one I run with currently is quite stubborn about existing customers, they treat them like shit so that they can step over them to fellate new ones). In the future I will pay 19.50 Euros insted of 49.90 for the same perks (1000 free minutes, 1000 SMS and 3GB data per month). Fuck exclusives.

 :oh_i_see: :awesome_for_real: :oh_i_see:

It's 400 bucks if you're upgrading from an existing 3G phone.

$199/$299 if you're already 18+ months into an existing AT&T contract, which means, that you need to wait a few months for a price cut…  …I have the first-gen phone which still, incidentally, works great, and am surprised how it still has > battery power than 3G phones…

http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=13745

We’re now pleased to offer our iPhone 3G customers who are upgrade eligible in July, August or September 2009 our best upgrade pricing, beginning Thursday, June 18.


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December 12!  Guess I'm still paying that 400.

I think I priced my phone too low on Craigslist, if anyone else does it price your phone for 300.  Just don't upgrade to 3.0 first.  :awesome_for_real:

Unlock for 3.0 is out already isnt' it?

Check this out if you are having trouble upgrading to 3.0:

http://gizmodo.com/5294248/iphone-30-upgrade-process-deactivating-some-phones-from-att

Here is the post I put on the apple support page regarding my girlfriends phone.

Hey guys, I know these boards have been swamped with people having problems after 3.0, and I have read through a lot of the threads and tried a lot of the solutions to fix the issues, but the ones I am having seem just slightly different that what everyone else is having. Any suggestions would be a great help.

These problems are all happening on my girlfriends iPhone connected to a G5 running Leopard. Mine upgraded fine to 3.0. On my MacBook Pro also running Leopard.
I also want to point out that when I say the connection freezes, I am talking about waiting around 30 minutes or so each time to make sure it really is frozen.

Here goes.

I started by plugging her phone in to itunes and it tells me itunes needs to be updated, so I update itunes. I do a synch to make a backup and right at the end it tells me, the synch could not complete because it lost connection with the phone, I click ok, and it continues synching correctly. This was my first mistake. I should have done another synch, but not really expecting any problems, I dont.

I do the phone upgrade and it hangs on installing the upgrade for around 3 hours. Then itunes freezes, spinning wheel of death, so I had to force quit it, and unplug the phone because the phone was also frozen. When plugging the phone back in, it says its in recovery mode and needs to do a restore. Its now showing the "connect to iTunes" screen so many people are stuck at lately.
I do the restore and it freezes again and again each time at a different point, I tried to restore it like 6 times.
At this point I go online and check the forums here, I find a few possible solutions and end up putting on the phone on my PC and doing a restore there and it works.

I then put the phone back on her computer and restore from a backup file. The only available one is March 3rd (the last time she did a synch before the previous one). it freezes during the backup restore and says the phone isnt plugged in, itunes then crashes "this program has stopped responding and needs to close" crash. I restart the computer, restart the phone, plug the phone in, and itunes wont even see it.

After several restarts on both phone and her mac it sees the phone, btw her phone is now running 3.0 but has no info in it, like a new phone. I try to do a backup restore again, and this time the only backup file it can find is June 17th, it again freezes during the restore. I end up unplugging the phone and it says Backup Complete but no info it on the phone. I try to do this like 5 times and it always freezes at some point, but alwas at a different point we say "screw it" lets just synch it, it wont synch now ether. it keeps freezing at some point. I did manage to get her address book over and some of her apps,  but always the synch will freeze at some point. It could be 5 seconds, or it could be 5 minutes.

Her restore data is most likely corrupted.

I figured out the problem.

The USB posts on her computer are going bad, and have a tendency to cut out for a second. I noticed it with the mouse and keyboard also. The cutting in and out during synching and restoring corrupted the Apple Mobile Device drivers. I replaced those and the phone will now connect with itunes fine, but I cant synch her music, cause I cant get a solid USB connection for more than like a minute.

I dont know what to do now.

PCMCIA usb card?  Hopefully it's a laptop and not some sort of iMac thingie.

So small necro.

I just picked up my 3GS, an upgrade from my trusty 2G first gen phone. Now that I have a faster phone with faster connection, are there any new apps folks have enjoyed using lately?

My favorites, and a few of these no doubt, have been alluded to previously…

Amazon — search for stuff, track package shipments
Brushes — drawing app (artist that does the cover of New Yorker used this to create magazine cover)
Facebook — works better than the web browser pages
Now Playing — movies, theater times, DVD releases
Pandora - with 3G, simply awesome, but runs down my battery
Radioshift — tap into any internet radio stream around the globe
Speed Test — measure your latency, download/upload speed (typically 300ms latency, ~1.5M down, 200K up on 3G)
Stanza — free eBook reader
TED — audio/video presentations from the aforementioned conferences
USA Today — free newspaper on the iPhone
WhatTheFont — for designer nerds, take photo of text, and it recognizes the font

Was going to wait and see how long I could go with 1st gen iPhone but ever since 3Gs release, noticed how bad Edge network has gotten, dropping a lot of calls and service just cuts out (even now, for some odd reason, AT&T service, while decent, flakes out in strength sometimes) — and compared to Mrs. Naum 3G phone, phone connectivity really seemed to be deficient…

As the 3.0 OS update really solved most of my woes — cut & paste, landscape mode for ALL the built-in apps (except for some reason Google Maps + Weather), improved HTML/JS rendering, etc.…

Ill throw in "iStat". Basically shows your memory usage. The best feature is a "Free Memory" button that forces the phone to clear its RAM except for running stuff. It cost like $1.99 but very worth it for when your phone starts running sluggishly.

Thanks for the recommendations. I will definately be checking out Radioshift and iStat!

Anyone else's GPS/Locator off by anywhere from 4 to 12 blocks? I took mine back to the store, and they reset it to factory, and it was 'fixed', as in, just as off as everyone else's in the store. I come home, and instead of restoring from backup (which they said was probably why mine was wonky) I just treated it as a new phone and resynched the content. After that, it was as 'borked' as it was before, locating my position 8 city blocks away.

It won't use gps inside, so it'll be less accurate until you go outside.