Appgasm 2008 - (Apple WWDC) - Update for Darniaq - IPhone 3G thread

[Prospero]

Fuck yeah, peer 2 peer gaming finally.

[schild]

As someone who wants to work on the iphone, push notification is

[Prospero]

yeah, I still hope we get background processes at some point. The app I was looking to write makes a lot more sense if it can track your location automatically.

[schild]

yeah, I still hope we get background processes at some point. The app I was looking to write makes a lot more sense if it can track your location automatically.

I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't get backround processes until there was a new hardware revision. I mean, it'd be nice, but most people will just outright kill their battery if they allow that. It would be bad news.

[Quinton]

yeah, I still hope we get background processes at some point. The app I was looking to write makes a lot more sense if it can track your location automatically.

I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't get backround processes until there was a new hardware revision. I mean, it'd be nice, but most people will just outright kill their battery if they allow that. It would be bad news.

Hardware can't fix that problem.  It's a software issue entirely.  Apple is going for the easy solution here, given that the "real" solution is pretty goddamn difficult.

[Lum]

As someone who wants to work on the iphone, push notification is

Yeah, it'd be nice to actually have working IM apps, too.

[Ookii]

App and developer functionality

    * Peer-to-peer connectivity over Bluetooth for gaming and other info-swapping.
    * Paid apps will have the potential to be subscription fee-based, and can include optional paid content that can be bought from right inside the app.
    * Developers can now build apps that call out to Google Maps, and can also finally bring Apple-blessed turn-by-turn to the phone.
    * Devs can also connect with hardware accessories over in their apps now, such as a blood pressure monitor -- or perhaps a keyboard? Connectivity works through the dock connector or over Bluetooth.
    * Long-promised push functionality will at last be included, but apps won't run in the background.
    * Developers can add streaming video and audio to their apps, along with in-game voice use.

General functionality

    * Cut, copy and paste. At last! You can shake the phone to undo and redo the action, and it works with both text and photos, allowing Mail to send multiple photos at a time. (more here)
    * Landscape keyboard available in all major apps.
    * MMS, along with forward and delete for multiple messages. (more here)
    * CalDAV support.
    * A new app called Voice Memos which lets you record notes and reminders.
    * A2DP stereo Bluetooth.

Search

    * Spotlight has been added to a new home screen page to the left of existing pages.
    * Apple's major apps have all been expanded with search functionality.


Available this summer, free for 3g and original iPhones, 10 bucks for iTouches.  MMS and A2DP won't work for original iPhones.

[Oban]

Actually, available now if you are a registered iphone dev.

[Righ]

All they did was announce the OS. You can pay $99 to become an Apple iPhone developer and get it now, along with the SDK. The OS will be released in "summer" which is the right time frame for the 10" touchscreens too. So they're formalizing the development process to get their sights on any interesting third party apps that could be launched with their upcoming Newton iPad.

[schild]

Super Bump.

http://www.macrumorslive.com/

iPhone stuff starting now.

[Oban]

About the only things of interest there are the "find me" app and the ability to remote wipe.

Free iPhone OS 3.0 update is nice and the $29 Mac OS X upgrade is swell too.

Laptops with integrated batteries are a bit of a pisser.  I have never had an airplane's in-seat power system last through a whole transoceanic trip and love being able to pull out a spare battery to keep my laptop powered up. 

3G S?  Really, S?  Err...

[naum]

iPhone++

* copy + paste (yay, only took 2 years ;()
* landscape keyboard in notes, mail, messages (was not available in some built-in apps hitherto)
* search all-in-one  (mail, notes, calendar, etc.… now it has all the features my old handspring PDA had)
* 32G model, 8G model discounted to $99
* 3-5X faster
* HTML5 compliant
* record/play 30fps video and easily MMS/email and/or upload to youtube/mobileMe
* 3 megapixel camera w/autofocus, auto white balance, auto exposure
* can trim video w/tap of finger
* built-in compass
* voice control
* improved battery performance
* tethering (though AT&T not offering to U.S. customers)

[Viin]

Yay auto-focus camera and 32GB.

[Trippy]

Super Bump.

http://www.macrumorslive.com/

iPhone stuff starting now.

It's so cute that schild is following Apple now

* 3-5X faster

Where did they say 3 - 5x faster? That would be quite some trick. Their Web site says "up to 2x faster".

[Prospero]

Fuck AT&T. You can only get upgrade pricing if you have been in your contract for 18 months. I'm sorry, if I'm willing to sign my life away for two years I should be able to get your fancy pants pricing.

[naum]

Super Bump.

http://www.macrumorslive.com/

iPhone stuff starting now.

It's so cute that schild is following Apple now

* 3-5X faster

Where did they say 3 - 5x faster? That would be quite some trick. Their Web site says "up to 2x faster".

Startup + messages launch 2X faster, Safari + Javascript 3-5X faster… …searching where I saw that list, summary of keynote…

[Trippy]

Safari has the latest Webkit/JavaScript enhancements. But essentially saying the phone has a 3x speed CPU is a bit

Edit: forgot to say that the CPU is 50% faster in the 3G S.

[Venkman]

Thought it was interesting that TomTom is effectively making their service for the iPhone. They done on the device side?

The X faster comment was "2.1x faster with launching message, loading SimCity 2.4x faster, viewing an Excel attachment 3.6x faster. Loading NY Times — 2.9 times faster. All these speed tests running against iPhone 3G", as reported in Wired's Live Blog.

Also, I didn't see mentioned in Naum's list:

• Shake-to-Undo function, though I'm not entirely sure what you can Undo other than undo'ing a copy/paste.
• Greater Bluetooth support for wireless accessories in 3.0.
• Greater general support for accessories at all in 3.0.
• Not mentioned but implied by the voice command realtime log: dictaphone. Which is friggin awesome.
  
  

Finally, AT&T still looks as bad as ever. I particularly liked TechCrunch's commentary.

[Viin]

Well I have one on order (my wife wants an iPhone anyways, so she can have my 3G - yay new gadget ... that's just like the old one), so I'll let you know if it's worth $300. Ouch.

[Jeff Kelly]

Stupid TomTom Software only works with their own iPhone Accessory cradel/dongle. They're not using the internal GPS.

[schild]

Stupid TomTom Software only works with their own iPhone Accessory cradel/dongle. They're not using the internal GPS.

That is so far beyond dumb that there aren't words.

Not sure why you'd ever need TomTom anyway given the google maps integration.

[Viin]

Spoken directions/turn by turn.

Google Maps works OK, but it's really hard to tap those small arrows and read the next turn text while driving.

But I hear (ahem) that there are a couple of spoken nav apps coming to the app store soon.

[Surlyboi]

 

[Ookii]

  iPhone 3GS.

[OcellotJenkins]

Stupid TomTom Software only works with their own iPhone Accessory cradel/dongle. They're not using the internal GPS.

Do you have a source for this?  I've read everything I can find on the TomTom app I've seen nothing that says the app won't work with the iPhone GPS.  The cradle does enhance the GPS signal though.  All the information I saw insinuated the cradle was an optional accessory.

[Trippy]

Safari has the latest Webkit/JavaScript enhancements. But essentially saying the phone has a 3x speed CPU is a bit

Edit: forgot to say that the CPU is 50% faster in the 3G S.

The 3G S also has a more power GPU which is where some of the other speed ups come from. The PowerVR SGX in the 3G S also supports OpenGL ES 2.0 while the older iPhones only support ES 1.1 so at some point you'll likely see 3G S-only games appearing from developers who don't want to support both APIs.

[Venkman]

Stupid TomTom Software only works with their own iPhone Accessory cradel/dongle. They're not using the internal GPS.

Do you have a source for this?  I've read everything I can find on the TomTom app I've seen nothing that says the app won't work with the iPhone GPS.  The cradle does enhance the GPS signal though.  All the information I saw insinuated the cradle was an optional accessory.

Haven't been able to corroborate, but I imagine they'd either make the accessory a requirement, or this will come with a monthly fee analogous to what people pay for a TomTom device. That latter bit would explain why they waited for 3.0. They could have decided to start building the app the moment they learned 3.0 would include support for in-app purchases (sub and mtx).

This is just my opinion of course, but anything else would cannibalize their own business.

[OcellotJenkins]

Stupid TomTom Software only works with their own iPhone Accessory cradel/dongle. They're not using the internal GPS.

Do you have a source for this?  I've read everything I can find on the TomTom app I've seen nothing that says the app won't work with the iPhone GPS.  The cradle does enhance the GPS signal though.  All the information I saw insinuated the cradle was an optional accessory.

Haven't been able to corroborate, but I imagine they'd either make the accessory a requirement, or this will come with a monthly fee analogous to what people pay for a TomTom device. That latter bit would explain why they waited for 3.0. They could have decided to start building the app the moment they learned 3.0 would include support for in-app purchases (sub and mtx).

This is just my opinion of course, but anything else would cannibalize their own business.

This article suggests the cradle and the app are two separate products that compliment each other.  If the app does require the cradle, there has been absolutely nothing in the media up to this point that has mentioned it.  TomTom would be stupid to do that though since there are 2 other almost identical turn by turn apps being released before the TomTom app (see article) and they do not require cradles.

[Ookii]

Oh and anyone balking at the 400 buck upgrade for existing 3gers, 3G phones are selling like hotcakes.  You can unload one for 300 bucks on craigslist easy, as long as you don't update to the new OS.

[MrHat]

Oh and anyone balking at the 400 buck upgrade for existing 3gers, 3G phones are selling like hotcakes.  You can unload one for 300 bucks on craigslist easy, as long as you don't update to the new OS.

I thought it was like $599 or something.

[Venkman]

It depends on how long you've had your existing contract with AT&T. They use a sliding scale that reduces the early termination fee by $5 a month. And this issue with 3G-to-3GS is because of the early termination fee being used to cover the otherwise loss AT&T would take for subsidizing your device.

Which is why there's a huge market right now for 3G phones. You can't leave an Apple/AT&T store without them activating it, but that's been cracked for awhile. Arms race begins anew with 3GS.

For myself, I'll be waiting until Verizon either substantiates or quells their rumored Apple device. I actually have no problem paying early termination fees for a better experience. With what I'm paying a month for the iPhone, the $175 charge is just two billing cycles anyway.

[Trippy]

For myself, I'll be waiting until Verizon either substantiates or quells their rumored Apple device.

Still not happening. AT&T extended their exclusive contract through 2010 and are negotiating to add another year to that.

[schild]

AT&T is by far the weakest link in the Apple chain right now. I'm pretty sure both sides know this.

[Trippy]

As long as it doesn't get as bad as, say, Rogers in Canada, Apple doesn't care as long as AT&T keeps showering them with money.

[Morfiend]

As long as it doesn't get as bad as, say, Rogers in Canada, Apple doesn't care as long as AT&T keeps showering them with money.

I do think Apple cares, just not enough to pass up the aformentioned money shower.