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I assume that there is still a (compared to beta) catasstastic PvE grind to rank up a town, and that the act of destroying a ToL doesn't result in the defeated guild knocking out a near complete replacement town in the next 48-72 hours? Because that ease of building and lower consequence of loss is largely what made the beta so much better than the released game. There was more PvP, less PvE gold farming, and a dawn raid on an unoccupied town that left it in ruins was amusing and a focus for revenge, not disheartening and a cause to cancel.

Jordan.  Sheesh. 

It only took a few days of afk macro farming to get to a level were you could hold your own in pvp, a week or so to max out.

Only for those who couldnt find any of the numerous dupe bugs i guess.

Half the fun of the game is starting fresh for me.  Easy for me to say since I have no chars there with a ton of time on them.  Definitely drastic heh, but interesting.

In addition, numerous updates and enhancements have been made to the Shadowbane service to improve the performance. Some of the changes were not as effective due to preexisting data and resetting the service will allow the servers to work under optimal conditions.

SB is not your typical game where you kill foozles to accumulate loot, if anything it is like RTS where goal is take over the map.

I don't think I could do all that again.  I would probably want to, though.

[edit] I'd probably play a lot more mmo's if they were paced like SB was. Not saying it's perfect, but every other game I've played is painful in comparison. Even WoW.

I'd probably play a lot more mmo's if they were paced like SB was. Not saying it's perfect, but every other game I've played is painful in comparison. Even WoW.

I said it so many times in the last 3 months. Save for the graphics, SB is awesome right now and it's all all ALL about PvP.

I'm really sad about this server wipe. I've played SB for 2 years now and worked hard making my toons and finding the gear that suits them. I don't own a town but have a nice little shop that makes a moderate amount of money and I try to put some good stuff in it at fair prices. I've never duped gear. I don't have FC items.... except one piece that I won fair and square in a tournment. Otherwise, I have my friends and my banks and vaults of cool stuff that I've saved up to make future specialized toons. I guess I'll never be able to make them.

I spent alot of time on SB when I wasn't working. Now that I'm employed again I don't have the same luxury. I doubt I'll ever have the time to get back to my current place in Sadowbane. I don't relish the thought of being a poor, defensless errant from now until forever, every time I log into the game. So I guess you've decided who you want to attract to your new, clean servers.... and it's not people like me.

I've hunted and found every rune in the game. Most are in my vault. I got a sense of accomplishment from that and I'm proud of the place I've made in my SB community. I've gotten there with persistance and hard work... and now all of it will be gone. Yes, I understand it's just pixels; But it's pixels that I've put together in a unique way that makes me happy. When those pixels disappear, all the hard work and hundreds of hours they represent will disappear too. It' will make it all not matter.

I like my toons. They seem to have personalities of their own. One toon has all pulple Vorgrim clothes that I gathered from killing monster Vorgrim droppers. I'm proud of that toon. She feels like a friend to me. I'm going to miss her. I have doubts that I'll ever be able to create her again, under these new circumstances. I doubt I'll have the heart to try. I don't think I'll probably be playing Shadowbane after the wipe. So count 1 more daily player among those that choose to die along with the 18 toons that have become friends.

The changes you want to make sound like good ones. Those ideas could be be made without the wipe, however. So why not try that first ??? Let us keep our toons and our banks... or at least our vaults, so we don't have to start from scratch... naked in a new and hostile world with no shelter.

The idea of leveling the playing field sounds nobel... until you stop and think about it. This is like an experiment in Communisism or Socialism and if you know anything about history in the real world you'll be able to guess what the results here will be. In the real world, money and power always rise to the same few anyway, sooner or later. You are setting up conditions to make a brutal world that will be disapointing and crippling to a large portion of your players. Perhaps that what you want, a place where everone but pvp toons perrish. Where all the pvp players slaughter everyone else continually. They will wear standard armor and use substandard weapons because no one who has the knowledge, patience, maturity and ability to build towns, run shops and roll gear has stayed alive or with the game long enough to have the opportunity to do so. It takes all kinds to build a community. The warriors are a large and wonderful part of Shadowban, of course.... (I'm building one right now, and she'll be great if I have time to finish her.) But where will the pvper's be without the support of the cities, the forges and the people with the resources who roll the weapons and the armor for them?

If you haven't noticed, a pixeled society mirrors the way the real world works. So let it work... with all it's glory it's mistakes and it's recoveries... It's interesting and .... human. Don't sterilize the world and try to start over if some things didn't go exactly as planned. It will balance itself out in time. Our real life God is not so unforgiving.... take notice of that and learn from it... Please . It's not too late to change your minds and change the destiny of Shadowbane.

The idea of leveling the playing field sounds nobel... until you stop and think about it. This is like an experiment in Communisism or Socialism and if you know anything about history in the real world you'll be able to guess what the results here will be.

You are setting up conditions to make a brutal world that will be disapointing and crippling to a large portion of your players. Perhaps that what you want, a place where everone but pvp toons perrish.

Beware. Without a guild it's totally pointless. Worse than that: as soon as you hit level 20 (2 hours) if you are without a guild you are basically a sitting duck waiting to be shot every time you leave the city for some xping.

Beware. Without a guild it's totally pointless. Worse than that: as soon as you hit level 20 (2 hours) if you are without a guild you are basically a sitting duck waiting to be shot every time you leave the city for some xping.

Awww.  Want some Crybaby Soup?

Hows the click to move interface while PVPing?  Seems crappy.

I'd be up for trying this. Otherwise I'll end up buying PotBS and burning out on that.

Hows the click to move interface while PVPing?  Seems crappy.

I may end up doing that tonight.  *sigh*  What a waste of money with Assassin's Creed sitting there unfinished.

I recommend PotBS with a caveat:  The missions in PotBS suck, they suck bad.  Don't play the game to solo quest, play the game to go out in group gank fests.

The lion's share are boring as hell. There is the occasional gem, however. I really enjoyed The Dreaded Rear- Admiral, for instance.

but having to edge out my mouse on the screen's edge to turn my camera is so old and it turns me off.

:awesome_for_real:

The click to move and camera interfaces drove me absolutely crazy. a keyboard option would have killed them?

It's old game. Bandwidth used to matter more back then, and click to move can save plenty packets.

(though that said they did have keyboard option in AO or i'm getting completely senile. Had lot of rubberbanding as drawback though)

Bull. SB came out after DAoC, IIRC. Perhaps I'm wrong, but the bandwidth argument is crap.

Well it's possible makers of two different games have decided to splice their limited bandwidth pie in different manner, and use the server cycles to perform pathing rather than sanity checks if the players are cheating.

Not saying it's impossible to do key movement stuff and hence click to move, just that perhaps they'd thought their resources would've been better spent on other aspects. Hence click to move.

The picture has made me confused.

Just giving a visual reference to HaemishM description of Shadow banes server architecture.  :grin:

I believe this would have been more appropriate:

(http://www.breadonthewaters.com/add/0620_hamster_wheel_clipart.jpg)

The following information update can also be found on the official Shadowbane Community website at http://chronicle.ubi.com/.

Subject: The Shadowbane Reboot is coming!
Link:  http://chronicle.ubi.com/newspost.php?id=18498

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The Shadowbane Reboot is officially set to go live on March 25, 2008! Some may recognize that this date holds significant value. For those who do not know, Shadowbane was released 5 years ago on March 25, 2003. 5 Years is a special milestone and with it comes the Shadowbane Reboot where the previous servers will be retired and new servers will be born in their place. The re-launch of Shadowbane brings changes that were impossible before and breathes new life into the game and the community! This new life will take place in the world of Vorringia where the tapestries of Baronies and Fiefdoms have been wiped clean. The time has come for the next generation of warlords to rally an army, carve out an empire, and change the world!

The Ubisoft Montreal team will be performing routine network and server maintenance to coincide with the Shadowbane Reboot. The expected downtime will be from March 20, 2008 until March 25, 2008.

Everyone here on the Shadowbane Team is extremely excited to see the Shadowbane Reboot become a reality. We have been able to make the fundamental changes that have been needed for quite some time and are looking forward to continuing work on the balance of Shadowbane!

In conclusion we would like to thank you, the players, for your continued love and support of Shadowbane – without you none of this would be possible. Special thanks also go out to every player that helped us test the upcoming changes on the Test Server – without you the Reboot process wouldn’t have gone near as smoothly. Finally, acknowledgement is due to Ubisoft for keeping this game active and making the Reboot possible; Ubisoft Montreal and Red Storm for putting in the long hours behind the scenes to host Shadowbane; and the Shadowbane Team that has worked day and night to make this Reboot a success.

A prophecy, shouted by a hermit on the steps of the grand Cathedral of Saint Kellast in the holy city of Dalgoth, seat of the Holy Patriarch of the Church of the All Father. The pronouncement was made on the 71st day of the 3rd year of the Age of Thrones (the 102nd year of the Age of Strife by the old reckoning):

Augurs and portents in every nation cry out grim prophecies, and all lands are filled with rumors of war. Soon, the prophets cry, the day shall come when Warlords old and new unsheathe their swords, and drown Vorringia in a crimson flood. The Age of Thrones draws toward its end – the Age of Doom is coming! Legions shall muster, strongholds shall rise, and stone walls will shatter. Grim kings shall unwind the bloody flag of war, and unleash fire and earthquake on their foes.

The weak shall be conquered! The strong will Crush!

Why is it everytime I hear about this, I feel such a desire to play for like 5 seconds? And then I remember why I don't play.

Why is it everytime I hear about this, I feel such a desire to play for like 5 seconds? And then I remember why I don't play.

Heh- same. Although if we gathered enough people who wanted to play, I would definitely check it out.

This game deserves more attention and less pointing and laughing.

Right now it's one of the most original MMORPG out there, and one of the absolute top 3 PvP wise (EVE, DAoC and ShadowBane), if not number 1.

So replace the PvP with sarcasm?

Looked at it just for fun.  Nope.  Can't do it.  World too ugly.  UI big and nasty looking.  Character models barfugly.  I want to be pretty.  I don't mind PnC for movement but hate, hate, hate the camera.  Also, the thought of early leveling from spiders and ants, not to mention later frost giant farming, makes me physically ill. 

I didn't mean the camera, exactly.  It's the edge movement that I can't seem to wrap my head around anymore.  It didn't bother me at all when I used to play SB, back in the Olden Tymes.  In fact, I really liked everything about the movement.  But then, I was playing Lineage before SB.   :grin:

I was using the mouse wheel but it made my finger hurt.

I was using the mouse wheel but it made my finger hurt.

Well, this is odd. Didn't noticed before that mouse wheels are usually harder to push than the the other two regular mousebuttons.

If anyone makes a city please contact me. I need some screenshots of the city-building and vendor gui's. Pretty pretty pretty please?

By the way.. what was I thinking with the Lore server? Forget Saedron and let's go ARAC. Malog is the right one!

That would be a huge mistake.

How did this turn out  :evil:

If you could consolidate 6 months of EvE PvP into a week, that might describe the difference between the two games.

I won't in any way say it's a perfect experience:

--graphics still suck
--still have various rendering artifacts (minor to major)
--can still sb.exe (I get about 1 a day on average)
--can be a huge pain to set up with vista
--in game advertising (login/logout commercials, death tunnel commercials)
--player base in the few hundreds
--player base maturity level is definitely on the "gangsta" side of the equation

All that being said, man am I having a blast. Normally takes between 2 and 4 minutes to find someone to fight (open tree hopping), 1 to 3 hours per day of multi-group fights at mines, leveling exp from pvp (from rank 4 on), super-fast exp and gold...the list goes on and on.

I didn't mean the camera, exactly.  It's the edge movement that I can't seem to wrap my head around anymore.  It didn't bother me at all when I used to play SB, back in the Olden Tymes.  In fact, I really liked everything about the movement.  But then, I was playing Lineage before SB.   :grin:

IT EXPLAINS NOTHING!  Don't make me kick your ass.

--can still sb.exe (I get about 1 a day on average)

With all the other things you listed, this is absolutely inexcusable. I barely tolerate crashes in modern, sweet looking MMOG's, no matter how good the PVP is in SB, I'm not going to tolerate this crash over and over again. Talk about battered fucking wife syndrome.

I was almost tempted. But Haemish talks sense. I can deal with crappy graphics, in-game ads and playing with retards. I can't get over crashes in a released product, however.

Irekei....mage...assassin...must resist...

Haemish--show me any other game on the market where I can have 5 clients running at once (on one computer) plus vent and web browsers, and get 1 crash a day, and I'll bow down to your super high standards.

Fuck, he has it bad.  I'm thinking we should all just step back and watch the spiral into self destruction.  We'll be here to help you up when it'd done, see ya on the other side bro.

What some of you fail to understand is that a 100% worldly PVP fantasy MMORPG, based on massive 24/7 Guild Warring, Diplomacy, City Sieging and Territorial Control is the best thing ever if you are into PvP.
It is the only one of its kind (as far as I know there's nothing else like it, at all), so even if it has quirks, they are overshadowed by the core gameplay.

Why do you say that?
It's so not true.

Banes/sieges are announced like 24 or more hours before they take place. Same for the mines attack/defense schedule.
There's no item/rep grind and max level is reached in a few days.

Really, I don't get it. What do you mean?

What some of you fail to understand is that a 100% worldly PVP fantasy MMORPG, based on massive 24/7 Guild Warring, Diplomacy, City Sieging and Territorial Control is the best thing ever if you are into PvP.
It is the only one of its kind (as far as I know there's nothing else like it, at all), so even if it has quirks, they are overshadowed by the core gameplay.

Key concept: whatever is about to happen to your belongings/structures in Shadowbane 2008, you will know 24+ hours in advance. And because you are the defender you can then set up the time that best suits you and your guild*.

*disclaimer (all above infos were correct as january 2008)

I am with Signe- I think I had more fun in 6 weeks of Shadowbane than all other MMOs (save UO) put together. That is probably more to do with the group I was privileged enough to play with though. Long live House Daenyr!

Fuck, he has it bad.  I'm thinking we should all just step back and watch the spiral into self destruction.  We'll be here to help you up when it'd done, see ya on the other side bro.

SB now has an 8 hour siege window every day...for the thurin server, it's 3 PM CST to 11 PM CST. Banes can only be set to go live during this window. Mines each have 1 hour window of vulnerability each day, which is set by the owning guild. I -think- that's during the siege window as well required, but I'm not 100% sure.

No more 4 AM banes.

I don't want ugly games anymore.  I want pretty foo foo looking games with flowers and Bambi and water you can see through with my PvP. 

SB is ugly like a tired old grandmother hooker.

Mmmmmm gumjobs.

Haemish--show me any other game on the market where I can have 5 clients running at once (on one computer) plus vent and web browsers, and get 1 crash a day, and I'll bow down to your super high standards.

There are people who play 5 shamans at once in wow.