Everything I know about MMOs I learnt from Lum - SB resets the world

[Stephen Zepp]

Haemish--show me any other game on the market where I can have 5 clients running at once (on one computer) plus vent and web browsers, and get 1 crash a day, and I'll bow down to your super high standards.

Given the amount of game time I've had playing multiplied by the number of clients running at various configurations, and Eve crashed more times in 2 months than SB has for me at all.

I'm almost tempted to say it's vista, since I can guarantee they didn't update the client at all when vista came out, but I haven't crashed in 4 days, so it may very well have been.

Not going to get into a pissing match regarding production quality, or anything else--I personally have not had this much fun in the last year, and looking back, actually haven't had this much fun since I stopped playing in 2005 in any game. I'd say I was a masochist, but other than dealing with being outnumbered in open tol fights (which is my guy's fault--when you take on a full group with two assassins you are going to die!), there hasn't been any pain in playing, at all for me :)

[cevik]

Haemish--show me any other game on the market where I can have 5 clients running at once (on one computer) plus vent and web browsers, and get 1 crash a day, and I'll bow down to your super high standards.

Fuck, he has it bad.  I'm thinking we should all just step back and watch the spiral into self destruction.  We'll be here to help you up when it'd done, see ya on the other side bro.

[slog]

Haemish--show me any other game on the market where I can have 5 clients running at once (on one computer) plus vent and web browsers, and get 1 crash a day, and I'll bow down to your super high standards.

Fuck, he has it bad.  I'm thinking we should all just step back and watch the spiral into self destruction.  We'll be here to help you up when it'd done, see ya on the other side bro.

Yep, I thought I was an addict when I ran 2 (one for my scout, one for my buffbot)

[Falconeer]

What some of you fail to understand is that a 100% worldly PVP fantasy MMORPG, based on massive 24/7 Guild Warring, Diplomacy, City Sieging and Territorial Control is the best thing ever if you are into PvP.
It is the only one of its kind (as far as I know there's nothing else like it, at all), so even if it has quirks, they are overshadowed by the core gameplay.

[slog]

What some of you fail to understand is that a 100% worldly PVP fantasy MMORPG, based on massive 24/7 Guild Warring, Diplomacy, City Sieging and Territorial Control is the best thing ever if you are into PvP.
It is the only one of its kind (as far as I know there's nothing else like it, at all), so even if it has quirks, they are overshadowed by the core gameplay.

the problem I have is that it will also take our your Real life as well.  Only the unemployed hardcore need apply.

[Falconeer]

Why do you say that?
It's so not true.

Banes/sieges are announced like 24 or more hours before they take place. Same for the mines attack/defense schedule.
There's no item/rep grind and max level is reached in a few days.

Really, I don't get it. What do you mean?

[slog]

Why do you say that?
It's so not true.

Banes/sieges are announced like 24 or more hours before they take place. Same for the mines attack/defense schedule.
There's no item/rep grind and max level is reached in a few days.

Really, I don't get it. What do you mean?

Some Background.  I was one of the early SB beta testers (my guild was even on the Box! DHL FTW) and played in release.  SB takes over your life.  24 hour notice for a 6 AM siege that's going to last for 7 hours is not good for your family life.

 

[cevik]

What some of you fail to understand is that a 100% worldly PVP fantasy MMORPG, based on massive 24/7 Guild Warring, Diplomacy, City Sieging and Territorial Control is the best thing ever if you are into PvP.
It is the only one of its kind (as far as I know there's nothing else like it, at all), so even if it has quirks, they are overshadowed by the core gameplay.

I completely understand this.  I'm sure a lot of people here can tell you I had the Shadowbane bug bad.  Real bad.

And if you can't see why a "24/7 Guild Warring, Diplomacy, City Sieging and Territorial Control" PvP game can keep you logged on 24/7 "Guild Warring, Diplomacy, City Sieging and Territorial Control"(ing) then I can't help you. :)  And if you can't see the problem with logging into a game 24/7 then I really can't help you.

I'm still to this day catching up on sleep.  It's been, what?  5 years now?

[Nonentity]

I was always infatuated with the concepts behind Shadowbane more then I was in love with the game itself, which I was exceptionally bad at.

I had an Irekei Scout - he was a lot of fun, I just got to run around really fast punching things. My Aracoix Rogue Barb with throwing weapons was a lot of fun too - just flying around raining axes.

[WayAbvPar]

I am with Signe- I think I had more fun in 6 weeks of Shadowbane than all other MMOs (save UO) put together. That is probably more to do with the group I was privileged enough to play with though. Long live House Daenyr!

[Falconeer]

Slog (and Cevik),

I know you played it. I was under the impression that you were definitely talking about the OLD Shadowbane.
Sure you can play it hardcore 24/7 on duty and all.

But in my recent experience not so many play it like that anymore.
Many guilds just focus on defending their mines scheduling the one hour vulnerability window when it's best for them, and usually use the hour(s) after that to attack other mines. Many play it a few hours every night, take part in Guild/Alliance mines defenses, then go on offense for 1-2 hours and then call it a night.

Banes are a different beast, but then again unless you are at war with asians, and you are attacking them, things are much smoother than you think they are. NA/Euro guilds seldom go with crazy times just to supposedly hurt their enemies.

Again, I know you, and many others, are/were experienced SB players. It's just that many of the things that made it glorious AND too hardcore are not there anymore. It's the best fantasy worldly PvP environment I can think of, and it doesn't require half the commitment it needed in the past.

Key concept: whatever is about to happen to your belongings/structures in Shadowbane 2008, you will know 24+ hours in advance. And because you are the defender you can then set up the time that best suits you and your guild*.

*disclaimer (all above infos were correct as january 2008)

[slog]

Key concept: whatever is about to happen to your belongings/structures in Shadowbane 2008, you will know 24+ hours in advance. And because you are the defender you can then set up the time that best suits you and your guild*.

*disclaimer (all above infos were correct as january 2008)

1)If my guild places a bane, the defenders can't set time for 4 AM eastern?
2) Conversely, if we get baned, can my guild set the time for 4 AM eastern.
3)t's not possible for the siege to last for 14 hours?

It's those 3 items that were the issue when I played.

[Falconeer]

14 hours siege aren't there anymore. I think (Zepp?!) there's a max time limit now as short as 2 hours, but I could be wrong, after which the banestone just disappear and the siege is over, attackers are repelled.

The 4Am thing is still possible, but it's a double edged sword so it's not used much anymore.
If you are defending, you don't want to scare your enemy with a 4AM bane only to find out that they get a few Asians among their ranks to crush your TOL while your fellows defenders decided to stay in bed. Looks to me like people are much more into fighting than they were in the beginning.

Totally different if you go against the Asians, but the game world is huge and you don't really have to conquer it all you know? 

[Brogarn]

I am with Signe- I think I had more fun in 6 weeks of Shadowbane than all other MMOs (save UO) put together. That is probably more to do with the group I was privileged enough to play with though. Long live House Daenyr!

Completely off topic. I just about spit out my coffee with your avatar. Not just because it's funny, but because we were JUST talking about Ford Fairlane not 2 hours ago.

Ok, so that was probably more interesting for me than anyone else. Meh. I'm posting this anyways. So there.

[slog]

I think if there was a North American only server (and it actually enforced North America only) I would play.

[Stephen Zepp]

Haemish--show me any other game on the market where I can have 5 clients running at once (on one computer) plus vent and web browsers, and get 1 crash a day, and I'll bow down to your super high standards.

Fuck, he has it bad.  I'm thinking we should all just step back and watch the spiral into self destruction.  We'll be here to help you up when it'd done, see ya on the other side bro.

Lol--nah, that's a pl priest (macroed), pl sentinel (macroed), and 3 accounts being pl'd (me and friends if they give me their account) for a few hours a day. I've also run two treb bots and my summons bot/scout during a bane.

SB now has an 8 hour siege window every day...for the thurin server, it's 3 PM CST to 11 PM CST. Banes can only be set to go live during this window. Mines each have 1 hour window of vulnerability each day, which is set by the owning guild. I -think- that's during the siege window as well required, but I'm not 100% sure.

No more 4 AM banes.

[Stephen Zepp]

PS: It is however still possible for banes to last very long--I've seen/heard of a few 4-5 hour banes on Thurin. We did have a long night last weekend when we baned a city, and got our trainer city counter-baned for the same siege window. They were separated by 4 hours, which was both good and bad--let us treat them as separate events, but also made for a relatively long day (5pm and 9 PM PST go lives for me at least on a Saturday).

Figured I should add more to give the whole picture:

--bulwarks (both defensive, and offensive) and walls are now invulnerable until the bane starts. No more logging in for a bane 6 to 36 hours early to protect your trebs/beat down walls.

--no fly, no teleport (wizzie or passwall), no summon, no stealth, and other "protection" spires exist, allowing the defenders to better restrict how the fight proceeds based on their relative weaknesses.

--cities now protect a ton more buildings--I don't do city admin any more so I don't know the specifics, but I've seen some cities with literally a couple of dozen buildings protected.

On the "negative" side of those that lean towards carebear (I mean that in a good way, honestly)--banes get dropped at the drop of a hat. The most popular reason for dropping a bane I've seen recently (last couple of weeks) in Thurin has been "you dissed me/my toon/my guild by talking trash". People get baned for the appearance of having too many allies, and even for grouping with someone that's unliked on the server.

Politics consists mostly of keeping your people mature and not talking shit to those you are fighting--pvp for pvp's sake at mines, groups, and in the open is very respected, and normally does not result in a bane, but pretty much everything else does ;)

[Falconeer]

SB now has an 8 hour siege window every day...for the thurin server, it's 3 PM CST to 11 PM CST. Banes can only be set to go live during this window. Mines each have 1 hour window of vulnerability each day, which is set by the owning guild. I -think- that's during the siege window as well required, but I'm not 100% sure.

No more 4 AM banes.

Right! Back in 2007 each server had a 8 hours fixed siege window clearly visible at char creation. Defending guilds can decide bane times only within that window.

So no, no banes at 4am anymore, yay!
Told you it's the PERFECT fantasy 100% PvP MMORPG environment.

[Signe]

I don't want ugly games anymore.  I want pretty foo foo looking games with flowers and Bambi and water you can see through with my PvP. 

SB is ugly like a tired old grandmother hooker.

[Falconeer]

Think about Shadowbane with Aion's arts and visuals. 

I want that. Is it so much to ask?

[WayAbvPar]

I don't want ugly games anymore.  I want pretty foo foo looking games with flowers and Bambi and water you can see through with my PvP. 

SB is ugly like a tired old grandmother hooker.

Mmmmmm gumjobs.

[Nebu]

Mmmmmm gumjobs.

Hickory Dickory Dock?

[HaemishM]

Haemish--show me any other game on the market where I can have 5 clients running at once (on one computer) plus vent and web browsers, and get 1 crash a day, and I'll bow down to your super high standards.

Show me any game on the market that would make me want to play 5 clients at once AND still be able to look at myself in the mirror without saying "You are a catassing douchebag cunt poopsock" and I'll give you a million motherfucking dollars.

There are treatment centers for that sort of thing.

[Nija]

There are people who play 5 shamans at once in wow.

[slog]

There are people who play 5 shamans at once in wow.

I ran into one in a BG.  Preist AOE fear. :)