Title: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: LanTheWarder on June 28, 2007, 08:37:10 PM :heartbreak:
This is my first failure. Since there seems to be an huge amount of press about the incredibly large failure rate going around on the internet, I figured why not have a poll on f13. 1. How many people own an xbox 360? 2. How long have you had it? 3. Have you had any issue or repairs? I have owned mine for about 7 months. I had infrequent disc read errors and freezing issues from about the second month I owned it. I would have to open and close the disc tray to get scratchless discs to read. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... :- Post by: schild on June 28, 2007, 08:38:33 PM 1. Had 2. A launch one broke.
2. Second one has been around since 6 months ago. 3. Yes, I by mistake kicked it while it was patching. I was not shocked it broke. Completely 100% my fault. Not a single problem with either otherwise. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... :- Post by: Tannhauser on June 28, 2007, 08:59:24 PM Had one for about 8 months.
It broke (unknown error) They sent me a new one. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... :- Post by: Kitsune on June 28, 2007, 10:01:55 PM Damn Lan, this is just not your week for hardware failures. Sympathy.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... :- Post by: Rasix on June 28, 2007, 10:06:06 PM 1. I've got an elite. 2. About a month and a half. 3. One issue. Forza 2 would crash loading a certain set of tracks. There ended up being some crud on the disk and the issues disappeared when I cleaned it off. /big_sigh Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... :- Post by: Ragnoros on June 28, 2007, 10:34:16 PM Got one in Jan.
See above. Red Ring-O-Doom in April or May. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: NiX on June 28, 2007, 11:58:52 PM I've had mine since Sept of last year and I've never had a red ring or disc read errors. R6V has locked up, but the game is oddly buggy.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: squirrel on June 29, 2007, 02:40:00 AM Got my first in Feb/06. Around March/07 it started acting up (not reading disks, crashing). Shortly thereafter it went into red ring death mode. Second one is not a refurb and so far has been solid.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Ragnoros on June 29, 2007, 02:58:09 AM Seemingly Gamespot has read your mind and is running this very same poll. That or they just steal all their shit from F13. either is fairly likely.
Nope. (40%) 3,493 Yeah, but I got it replaced for free. (15%) 1,370 Yes. And I had to pay to get it fixed. (5%) 469 Yes! Twice! (5%) 450 @#$% YES!! More than twice!!!!! (7%) 626 Pfft! You think I would actually buy an Xbox 360? (26%) 2,262 Beings I suck at math and it's 5am I have no idea what those numbers mean. But looks like the failure rate is rather high to me. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Trippy on June 29, 2007, 03:22:26 AM Bascially well over half the units represented in that survey have failed.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: vex on June 29, 2007, 05:00:26 AM Bascially well over half the units represented in that survey have failed. Never mind I was really wrong. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Big Gulp on June 29, 2007, 05:03:49 AM 2. How long have you had it? 6 months when it red ringed, 4-5 months since I've gotten it back.Quote 3. Have you had any issue or repairs? One red ring, sent off for repairs. Just sent it back on Monday again for a faulty DVD drive.Microsoft has currently got the best overall game/online community going, but their hardware is complete and utter shit. What really pisses me off is that they won't admit it. I should at the very least get a free year of Live for sending my box back twice in less than a year. As it is I wish I'd waited and gotten a PS3. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: murdoc on June 29, 2007, 06:11:28 AM Have had mine since March 2006, no issues other than the odd lockup with Oblivion after a few hours of play.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Bunk on June 29, 2007, 06:31:15 AM Got my Elite the week after they came out, only issue so far is one time it hung on booting. Turned it on and off and it was fine.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Riggswolfe on June 29, 2007, 06:35:28 AM I've had mine since about January '06. I've had a red ring one time and that was when my house had a series of about half a dozen brownouts in less than a minute and I discovered the hard way my UPS was broken. I turned it off, left it off for about a minute, turned it on and I've never have another problem.
ETA: I don't smoke and no one in my house does. My 360 sits on a little wooden shelf that has widely spaced slats so it has alot of ventilation. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on June 29, 2007, 07:41:33 AM Five months. One red ring that was caused by not having the A/V cable fully inserted. Software lockups are negligible in quantity. I keep mine hidden inside a cabinet.
R6V is pretty shitty software. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on June 29, 2007, 07:42:30 AM Got my Elite the week after they came out, only issue so far is one time it hung on booting. Turned it on and off and it was fine. It Hung or the graphics turned into a checkerboard. If it's the latter, oh man, that sucks. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Miasma on June 29, 2007, 08:19:18 AM I rarely turn mine on so I think that is why it's still going. The only other friend of mine who bought a 360 had his fail after about two months. I really hate playing on something I consider to be a ticking time bomb. Sometimes I seriously consider buying a PS3 just so that I can play games without worrying that the console is going to crap out on me. I've been very surprised that Sony seems to be doing well dud-wise, of course maybe the reason I don't hear about PS3s dieing is because so few people actually bought one... My 360 was a housewarming present, I would not have bought one myself purely due to the terrible reputation it has for breaking down.
This guy has gone through Someone here has gone through five or six, I think it might have been Morphiend. Edit: Oh yeah, this story. (http://www.360-gamer.com/news.asp?id=1143) Someone found out that just in Britain Microsoft gets between 1500-2500 broken 360s sent to them every single day. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on June 29, 2007, 08:22:28 AM You don't hear about the PS3 breaking because it's a fucking amazing piece of machinery. I'd be shocked and awed if any broke from launch other than people fucking up OS installs completely.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Miasma on June 29, 2007, 08:25:25 AM You don't hear about the PS3 breaking because it's a fucking amazing piece of machinery. I'd be shocked and awed if any broke from launch other than people fucking up OS installs completely. They should use that in a marketing campaign "Yes it costs 50% more than a 360 but remember you'll have to buy a new 360 every 14 months so it pays off!!!"I'm only half kidding. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: bhodi on June 29, 2007, 08:28:44 AM Buried in the swamp that is the slashdot forums (http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=242943&cid=19681913):
Quote I manage the largest (AFAIK) Xbox360 error code list [xbox-scene.com]. Basically the most common error that people _REALLY_ have when they get the "3 red lights of death" is a 0102 which has been tracked down to an issue with the Graphics Processor. What happens is the processor runs exceedingly hot to the point where the PCB actually weakens and the solder in the BGA softens (it's eco friendly lead free solder too so it's weaker right off the bat). The heat syncs are held on by springy metal brackets referred to as "X-Clamps" mounted on the back side of the motherboard (so the screws go right through the mobo)... What this does is create a perfect storm for deformation of the motherboard and cold (figuratively of course) connections within the BGA. Once a motherboard has been sufficiently deformed it doesn't really ever get better, like frame damage to your car it can be repaired but it's never quite the same again. A temporary fix is to pull off the heat syncs and reflow the BGA with a heat gun... but it only takes weeks to a month before you'll get the red lights again. A more successful fix is to remove the "x-clamps" [xbox-scene.com] altogether and bolting the heat syncs directly to the case chassis... This prevents the unnecessary flexing of the PCB below the GPU and even when the area gets hot from use does not deform the PCB and thus does not create cold connections in the BGA. What does this have to do with the same person having 11 faulty consoles? Simply put... the consoles he's getting back are NOT NEW. He's not returning it to the store but Microsoft themselves and either getting his original console back "fixed" by Microsoft, or he's getting a refurb that originally belonged to some other poor schmuck who had the same problem... again "fixed" by Microsoft. Once a console throws that error it's prone to failure again and again... I don't have a broken 360, mine has been working a-ok since I picked it up on launch day... but I know thousands of people who've experienced broken consoles and I know many people personally who take great care of their console and just had it stop working one day... and then the next one they got was DOA... and the next one only worked for a week... etc. etc. etc. In most cases you either have had no problems at all or you've got through 2 or 3 or more consoles. The only people I know who have had to replace it only once after the 3RLoD were those who were out of warranty and simply bought a new one instead of sending it in for repair. This is a known issue that Microsoft has been trying to fix, with everything from adding ginormous heatsinks to (in the new elite model) taking the entire joint and drowning it in epoxy. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: cmlancas on June 29, 2007, 08:30:24 AM All of this console shennanigry simply reminds me that I don't need any consoles for serious gameplay and my computer is just fine. Plus, if I want to get drunk and play video games with friends, I'll just play Wii Sports. $250 for ridiculous amounts of fun. Yeah.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on June 29, 2007, 08:32:35 AM PS3 needs an actual marketing campaign, one that describes the reasons to get one rather than make me wonder just what the fuck they are shooting up in their marketing department. Even though my 360 hasn't broken, I can tell it's shoddy just by using it... except for the controller. The bumpers are rather off (TENCHU Z!!!), but on the whole the 360 controller is great.
Heat, I can see that. I might want to cut more airholes. Speaking of swamps, where is Zonk? Did we scare him off? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Morfiend on June 29, 2007, 11:04:20 AM I have gone through a lot of them.
#1 Started freezing, and then stopped working a week later. #2 Was cracked and dinged up when I opened the box. #3 Redringed in about 4 hours of gameplay #4 Girlfriend was playing it with the glass cabnet closed. It overheated bigtime and melted down #5 Ran very slowly, most games got aroun 10 fps. #6 Ran perfect so far. I have had it for 4 months now. These where all returned to Target, and they just gave me a new system. I kept my original harddrive, and I just pop it in to the new machines. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: SnakeCharmer on June 29, 2007, 11:17:03 AM 2. How long have you had it? 6 months when it red ringed, 4-5 months since I've gotten it back.Quote 3. Have you had any issue or repairs? One red ring, sent off for repairs. Just sent it back on Monday again for a faulty DVD drive.Microsoft has currently got the best overall game/online community going, but their hardware is complete and utter shit. What really pisses me off is that they won't admit it. I should at the very least get a free year of Live for sending my box back twice in less than a year. As it is I wish I'd waited and gotten a PS3. What good would that do? "Hai guys! Buy our shit! Litterally!" Nothing like admitting your product is shit to inspire consumer confidence :roll: Anyway, 7 months, no problems. /knock on wood Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Viin on June 29, 2007, 03:19:29 PM I bought mine last December.
I had problems with R6LV and that hack-10000-monsters-repeat game, but everything else seems to run OK. (But, I only play maybe 5 hours a month). Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Driakos on June 29, 2007, 03:40:04 PM It Hung or the graphics turned into a checkerboard. If it's the latter, oh man, that sucks. Checkerboard is what happened to me earlier in the week. Previously turn on/off would get rid of the ring and the on-screen Predator (Yoo ahr one ugly muddafuckah) language. Checkerboard was death. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Driakos on June 29, 2007, 03:45:02 PM I got mine about a month after launch. I forget when 360 launched.
Whatever Launch (- 1 month) to now is. It's had power-up trouble for a long time now. Starting it twice (sometimes three times) was a work-around. It broke Tuesday night for good. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Big Gulp on June 29, 2007, 04:49:16 PM What good would that do? "Hai guys! Buy our shit! Litterally!" Because I'd like to have some clue that MS recognizes the problem and has fixed it. This "acceptable failure rate" bullshit needs to go away, and MS just needs to say, "Yes, we've had some problems with some of our earlier 360's but we've since resolved the problem and are trying to fix the faulty boxes currently out there". Their continuing silence doesn't tell me shit. Is every 360 out there potentially a piece of shit, even the "elite"? How could I recommend the 360 to my friends when I have no idea whether that shiny $400 game machine they bring home isn't going to crap out on them in a week? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Chimpy on June 29, 2007, 04:57:56 PM Microsoft has never had a good history of admitting problems with their products, even when they have fixed the problem in later versions and want people to upgrade to fix the issue.
Of course, very few companies do openly admit to mistakes in this day and age. It is easier to obfuscate or outright shirk the responsibility altogether. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Miasma on June 29, 2007, 05:05:37 PM Do we know for a fact that the elite does fix the problem by adding a second, more powerful heat sink?
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Zetleft on June 29, 2007, 06:42:57 PM Roommate 'had' an x-box 360 for about 1 year. Right after the warranty it red-ringed and they told him over 200 bucks to fix it. So pretty much no xbox here anymore.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Tannhauser on June 29, 2007, 09:04:46 PM Which way should I set my 360, vertically or horizontally? Which way protects the dvd drive more?
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: bhodi on June 29, 2007, 09:48:04 PM Do we know for a fact that the elite does fix the problem by adding a second, more powerful heat sink? No. They did some redesign to alleviate some of the warping problem (additional larger heat sink and more epoxy) but it doesn't "Fix" the issue for good -- it treats it with varying levels of success. It's a design flaw that was not fixed in the current release version of the elite.Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Viin on June 30, 2007, 12:40:05 PM Which way should I set my 360, vertically or horizontally? Which way protects the dvd drive more? I suggest doing what I do, which is not use the dvd drive. Seems to last a long time that way. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: OcellotJenkins on June 30, 2007, 02:07:38 PM Wow, I didn't realize just how shitty these things are. I was hoping to buy one sometime this year (for Rockband), thanks for saving me the money and headaches.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Zetleft on June 30, 2007, 04:09:56 PM I have friends that break their xbox's on purpose before the warranty is up so they can get it replaced and get a renewed 1 year insurance. That fact has kept me from buying one until its fixed.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Kitsune on June 30, 2007, 06:13:03 PM Bascially well over half the units represented in that survey have failed. This is why America is losing technical jobs to everywhere else on the planet. Seemingly Gamespot has read your mind and is running this very same poll. That or they just steal all their shit from F13. either is fairly likely. Nope. (40%) 3,493 Yeah, but I got it replaced for free. (15%) 1,370 Yes. And I had to pay to get it fixed. (5%) 469 Yes! Twice! (5%) 450 @#$% YES!! More than twice!!!!! (7%) 626 Pfft! You think I would actually buy an Xbox 360? (26%) 2,262 Beings I suck at math and it's 5am I have no idea what those numbers mean. But looks like the failure rate is rather high to me. 26% of the answers indicate that the person doesn't own an Xbox. Of the 74% remaining, 40 have had no problem, while 34 have. That equates to 46% of the people with an Xbox reporting a failure. That is not well over half, as it is in fact less than half. 46% is still a huge godawful number that the MS engineers should be ashamed of, yeah. In my experience, though, statistics are a poor yardstick for judging the reliability of electronics. I had one of the first PS2s built, and it ran like a champ right up to the day that Gamestop had a good trade in offer for PS2s. It's probably still chugging along for its new owner. Everywhere else I heard stories about people being on their second or third PS2, and that the original models were full of flaws, but I never encountered any problems. Too many variables exist in complex electronics to be able to point at an individual machine and say that it will or won't fail. Maybe it was assembled by the best guy in the plant, maybe it was the new kid's first machine. Maybe he was having a good day, maybe his wife just left him. Maybe the delivery guy dropped it a few times. I've seen twenty-five-year-old TRS-80s boot, I've seen two-day-old Macintoshes crash. If you want an Xbox, get one. If you're afraid it might break on you, then do what you can to improve its odds by giving it a stable spot to sit on and as much ventilation as possible. I don't have one myself, but that's because it only has one game I actually want, not from reliability fears. Everything breaks sooner or later. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on June 30, 2007, 06:32:03 PM Quote Everything breaks sooner or later. I'm pretty sure my Super Nintendo will last well past my death. It might see the end of the world with the roaches. For all it's faults, the Jaguar is an incredibly robust machine also. I'm just being a wiseass. Also, the original gameboy. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Merusk on June 30, 2007, 07:33:07 PM Also, the original gameboy. I still have one. Runs well so I can play Yoshi whenever. Woot. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: bhodi on June 30, 2007, 09:33:03 PM Which way should I set my 360, vertically or horizontally? Which way protects the dvd drive more? Horizontally ONLY. Playing discs vertically voids your warranty since the disc can apparently slip off the track and damage the drive innards, and when you call support when your shit breaks and they find out you were playing it vertically, they cackle and hang up on you. Even though it's displayed on several ads as standing up.Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Righ on June 30, 2007, 09:43:18 PM 26% of the answers indicate that the person doesn't own an Xbox. Of the 74% remaining, 40 have had no problem, while 34 have. That equates to 46% of the people with an Xbox reporting a failure. That is not well over half, as it is in fact less than half. I see what you did there. Trippy said "half the units" not "half the respondents". This makes a difference when some of the respondents are reporting two or more units failing. Assuming each of the "more than twice" respondents is claiming three failures, thats 4,617 failures to 3,493 non-failures. Apparently America is losing technical jobs because its full of blithering MS fanbois who pounce on criticism without reading carefully enough to comprehend what is being said. :evil: Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Signe on June 30, 2007, 09:57:39 PM Well, maybe I don't want one of these things. I'm very clumsy and it sounds like I might accidentally hit with a hammer hundreds of times. :|
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on June 30, 2007, 10:45:55 PM Horizontally ONLY. Playing discs vertically voids your warranty since the disc can apparently slip off the track and damage the drive innards, and when you call support when your shit breaks and they find out you were playing it vertically, they cackle and hang up on you. Even though it's displayed on several ads as standing up. Do you have documentation of this? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Kitsune on June 30, 2007, 11:39:12 PM 26% of the answers indicate that the person doesn't own an Xbox. Of the 74% remaining, 40 have had no problem, while 34 have. That equates to 46% of the people with an Xbox reporting a failure. That is not well over half, as it is in fact less than half. I see what you did there. Trippy said "half the units" not "half the respondents". This makes a difference when some of the respondents are reporting two or more units failing. Assuming each of the "more than twice" respondents is claiming three failures, thats 4,617 failures to 3,493 non-failures. Apparently America is losing technical jobs because its full of blithering MS fanbois who pounce on criticism without reading carefully enough to comprehend what is being said. :evil: Are you still upset that you don't know how to maintain a Macintosh? Don't feel bad, we all have to start somewhere. I suggest OS X Tiger: The Missing Manual, by David Pogue. It's a surprisngly helpful book. While you're reading it, I suggest you contemplate that a unit that is repaired and sent back to the owner is not, in fact, a new unit. Neither is a refurbished unit. Any breakdowns past the first represent a previously-failed unit failing again, not a good unit going bad. Electronics that have taken some damage and been repaired simply can't be trusted; one never knows when a capacitor is teetering on the edge of blowing, or if a circuit will be prone to shorting the next time there's a power spike. It's fairly shitty of MS to send back repaired and refurbished machines; the grim reaper is hovering over all of them and they have to know it. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Trippy on July 01, 2007, 01:18:15 AM Are you still upset that you don't know how to maintain a Macintosh? Don't feel bad, we all have to start somewhere. I suggest OS X Tiger: The Missing Manual, by David Pogue. It's a surprisngly helpful book. What's with all the insult flinging? You looking for a ban?As for your point about refurbished units, that's a good one. However some of those replacement units in that survey almost assuredly would be brand new since there are people like schild who like to buy the replacement guarantees from the stores so they don't have deal with sending in units for repair. Others may have broken down within a store's return window and so were also exchanged for new units as well. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: bhodi on July 01, 2007, 07:54:22 AM Do you have documentation of this? OK I am mostly wrong; I was misremembering. The issue is it scratches discs, not the 360 innards. Microsoft says it's OK (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/systemsetup/xbox360/console/position.htm)to have it either direction, but there is a plethora of people who talk about discs getting scratched if you move the console (http://dwl.xbox-scene.com/video/Xbox-360-Scratch-Disks3.wmv), and some people have claimed that it can scratch the disc when vertical with no more movement than walking into the room or a light bump... so horizontal is safest.Microsoft will of course not reimburse you for these discs, and then wiil laugh and hang up on you. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Kitsune on July 01, 2007, 09:25:56 AM Poking Righ with a stick is one of life's few undiluted pleasures, it's all in good fun. I hate using emoticons, but ought probably have stuck a :-D to the end of it.
But you're right, some of those returns undoubtedly are store returns for a replacement new model. Unless someone's been naughty and is recycling the returned units as new... Kinda makes one wonder whether Microsoft's being above the board and only selling truly new hardware in those boxes in the stores. It would certainly explain the failure rate if they weren't. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Righ on July 01, 2007, 10:11:52 AM Eh, your stick is too short mate.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on July 01, 2007, 11:01:39 AM OK I am mostly wrong; I was misremembering. The issue is it scratches discs, not the 360 innards. Microsoft says it's OK (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/systemsetup/xbox360/console/position.htm)to have it either direction, but there is a plethora of people who talk about discs getting scratched if you move the console (http://dwl.xbox-scene.com/video/Xbox-360-Scratch-Disks3.wmv), and some people have claimed that it can scratch the disc when vertical with no more movement than walking into the room or a light bump... so horizontal is safest. Microsoft will of course not reimburse you for these discs, and then wiil laugh and hang up on you. This is funny, because most of the "ringed" discs I see come back (overwhelming majority), when I ask the customer, they say they have the system hitting horizontally. We've been telling people to stand the units up, and we've had Very, Very few people come back with problems that have been standing the unit up on a stable surface. Not trying to be a dick or anything; this is all anecdotal. Though, I am operating under the understanding the the system was originally designed to operate vertically, and the pads were added Very late in the process to allow horizontal operation. I could be completely wrong about all of this. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Samwise on July 01, 2007, 01:59:44 PM After reading this thread I'm utterly confused. I thought the whole point of console gaming was that consoles require less maintenance than PCs.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Chimpy on July 01, 2007, 02:16:15 PM After reading this thread I'm utterly confused. I thought the whole point of console gaming was that consoles require less maintenance than PCs. Not in Microsoft Russia. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: LanTheWarder on July 01, 2007, 07:01:53 PM It's amazing to me that almost every single person on this board that has one has had it fail....
I'm glad I didn't pay for mine. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Signe on July 01, 2007, 07:38:07 PM r u criminal?
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Murgos on July 02, 2007, 06:21:23 AM It's amazing to me that almost every single person on this board that has one has had it fail.... I'm glad I didn't pay for mine. Mine hasn't failed. Yet... You are just seeing the people who had problems. This is typical of message boards which, if you check message boards for information on something, generally makes everything seem like crap. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Azazel on July 02, 2007, 08:03:09 AM This thread shows the primary reason I don't yet have a 360. (well, actually, the only reason by now). And unless MS fix their shit, I may never get one.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Merusk on July 02, 2007, 09:18:58 AM This thread shows the primary reason I don't yet have a 360. (well, actually, the only reason by now). And unless MS fix their shit, I may never get one. Ditto. There's been a few times over the last year and a half I had bonus money that was all mine, and I considered getting one. Then I remembered the x-crash stories and figured I'd better wait a bit. It's disheartening to hear the problem hasn't been fixed in the Elite either. So far it's looking like I won't be buying any of the current gen consoles for another year at least. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on July 02, 2007, 09:26:56 AM Target service plan for $29.95, covers normal wear-and-tear for replacement.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: bhodi on July 02, 2007, 09:49:38 AM Not trying to be a dick or anything; this is all anecdotal. Though, I am operating under the understanding the the system was originally designed to operate vertically, and the pads were added Very late in the process to allow horizontal operation. I could be completely wrong about all of this. The real problem is that Microsoft isn't admitting any sort of problem and won't release any sort of failure or repair figures. The only way people know that there's a widespread problem is through notoriously spotty online polls and personal stories, and the only way people know Microsoft is trying to alleviate the problem is by cracking the newer Xboxen open and comparing the differences. It's ALL anecdotal.Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Azazel on July 02, 2007, 10:07:02 AM Target service plan for $29.95, covers normal wear-and-tear for replacement. doesn't exist in my country. shouldn't need the fucking thing anyway. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 02, 2007, 10:10:20 AM Target service plan for $29.95, covers normal wear-and-tear for replacement. doesn't exist in my country. shouldn't need the fucking thing anyway. Ya know, things break. Also, we get what we pay for I suppose. There's a reason the PS3 is $600. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Rasix on July 02, 2007, 10:13:49 AM Xbox Elite + wireless adapter (to get near PS3 functionality) is almost as expensive as the PS3 and it doesn't even have bluray. PS3 would have been a no brainer for me if it had the games.
This thread just makes me afraid to turn on my 360. Good thing that Grim Grimoire came out I guess :-D Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Roac on July 02, 2007, 10:14:50 AM Ya know, things break. Also, we get what we pay for I suppose. There's a reason the PS3 is $600. People would have to actually use their PS3s to get a good metric on how often they break. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Azazel on July 02, 2007, 10:15:57 AM Yeah, they do break. The 360 is a step beyond, though.
Now you mention it, neither my GameCube nor my Wii have exploded yet either. Nor my really fucking old PS2. I"ll get the ps3 maybe this Christmas, maybe next Christmas, or whenever.. I'll wait till there's enough software for me to give a shit about, and when the price drops to a point where I feel it's personally worthwhile. For me. As for bluray, I still don't give a fuck. I just don't care. At all. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 02, 2007, 10:32:30 AM No one said anything about Blu-Ray, fuckoff.
The point was that at $400, you should expect the 360 to break, it's too cheap for the high tech shit inside. There is absolutely no question, the 360 has turned out to be a flimsy piece of shit, just not for any of the reasons people found at launch. It's still not scratching my discs or overheating. It's just got some economical motherboard design... :P Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Signe on July 02, 2007, 10:58:31 AM I'm afraid of nearly everything in the fucking world. I'll damned if I'm gonna be afraid to turn on the 360 I don't have yet. I've only ever had one problem with a console so far. It was our PS2 that we bought when they first came out, a couple years later, and Righ fixed it and there's been no problem since. If we have to replace it, we might replace it with a PS3 if they sort out most of the backwards compatibility issues. Dunno. It really annoys me that all you rats are having fun with your 360s and I'm not so that's number one on my list. If it breaks I'll kick it's ass.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 02, 2007, 11:00:22 AM Quote PS3 if they sort out most of the backwards compatibility issues. What backwards compatibility issues? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: OcellotJenkins on July 02, 2007, 11:47:09 AM Quote PS3 if they sort out most of the backwards compatibility issues. What backwards compatibility issues? schild, have you hit this issue (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/15/720p-ps3-games-downscale-on-older-hd-sets/)? No, my set does 720p just fine. But, it fucks up the PS2 thing. You've heard reports about PS2 stuff looking better on the PS2. That's because the PS3 isn't outputting through HDMI or Component when the PS2 shit is enabled at 480p. It's not anti-aliasing either. In other words. Man, PS2 games suck balls on it. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Riggswolfe on July 02, 2007, 11:50:26 AM It's amazing to me that almost every single person on this board that has one has had it fail.... I'm glad I didn't pay for mine. What's amazing to me is I know no one off this board whose 360 has broken, and this covers all my friends and several of my coworkers. I've had multiple brownouts and gotten the red ring once. It's fine. I dropped my 360 off the shelf it's on once when trying to move the shelf to fix some wiring issues. No problem. I've gone through phases of playing it for 6-10 hours at a time for weeks at a time and not a damn thing has gone bad. I've got a friend whose moved 4 times since he got one. No problem. And his kids bump into it, knocked it down when he had it vertical, etc. I've got another friend whose house burns my eyes because he smokes so much. His 360 is fine. I think you guys must all live in some sort of high radiation area... Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Signe on July 02, 2007, 11:57:28 AM Quote PS3 if they sort out most of the backwards compatibility issues. What backwards compatibility issues? Oh, maybe they fixed it? Like Ocelot, I haven't been reading much about it except here. I've been cutting down on reading as it sometimes seems to make me smarter and better informed. Being well read gives me a headache. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 02, 2007, 12:03:38 PM No, my set does 720p just fine. But, it fucks up the PS2 thing. You've heard reports about PS2 stuff looking better on the PS2. That's because the PS3 isn't outputting through HDMI or Component when the PS2 shit is enabled at 480p. It's not anti-aliasing either. In other words. Man, PS2 games suck balls on it. This sentence makes absolutely no sense. The only way to get hi-def out of a PS3 is HDMI and Component. Try to explain the above paragraph better plz. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: OcellotJenkins on July 02, 2007, 12:08:27 PM No, my set does 720p just fine. But, it fucks up the PS2 thing. You've heard reports about PS2 stuff looking better on the PS2. That's because the PS3 isn't outputting through HDMI or Component when the PS2 shit is enabled at 480p. It's not anti-aliasing either. In other words. Man, PS2 games suck balls on it. This sentence makes absolutely no sense. The only way to get hi-def out of a PS3 is HDMI and Component. Try to explain the above paragraph better plz. Those are your words not mine pal. So do PS2 games suck on it or not? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 02, 2007, 12:27:58 PM That was before the 1.8 firmware update. Since then I've had not a Single Problem with PS2 titles. And yes, they look better now. I can't believe I wrote that sentence.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: OcellotJenkins on July 02, 2007, 12:29:21 PM That was before the 1.8 firmware update. Since then I've had not a Single Problem with PS2 titles. And yes, they look better now. Good to hear. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Righ on July 02, 2007, 12:39:18 PM That was before the 1.8 firmware update. Since then I've had not a Single Problem with PS2 titles. And yes, they look better now. I get to recycle this: (http://static.flickr.com/75/201866308_2e8c31b194.jpg?v=0) Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on July 02, 2007, 01:23:21 PM The aliasing problem was fixed back in February for me. 1.80 actually went further and added upscaling. There are no BC issues of note in the PS3, although I do suspect the emualtion is causing my hangups in SMT: Digital Devil Saga. No other problems, though.
Since 1.80, however, I have had a new Sixaxis problem, this one requiring me to get up off my ass and powercycle the PS3 two times. Probably only happens when playing PS2 games. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: bhodi on July 02, 2007, 03:50:16 PM Retailers Estimate Xbox 360 Failure Rate High as 33 Percent (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7892)
Quote In an effort to gain a more accurate picture of Xbox 360 failure rate, DailyTech decided to poll retail outlets that sell the Xbox 360 and with it the option to purchase an in-store extended warranty. Out of all Xbox 360 extended warranties sold, we wanted to know how many were claimed by consumers with defective consoles, thus giving us a more accurate failures percentage. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: LanTheWarder on July 02, 2007, 04:51:35 PM It's amazing to me that almost every single person on this board that has one has had it fail.... I'm glad I didn't pay for mine. Mine hasn't failed. Yet... You are just seeing the people who had problems. This is typical of message boards which, if you check message boards for information on something, generally makes everything seem like crap. Most people are going to complain about something when it happens to them but when 15 people chime in and say me too there might actually be a real problem. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: LanTheWarder on July 02, 2007, 04:52:31 PM r u criminal? My buddy got it for me for Christmas, I wouldn't have paid 400 for a console. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Azazel on July 02, 2007, 05:38:57 PM No one said anything about Blu-Ray, fuckoff. Oh, sorry mate. I thought this was like every other fucking console thread where you start ragging on the Wii and worshipping at the altar of PS3. Quote The point was that at $400, you should expect the 360 to break, it's too cheap for the high tech shit inside. Then, in all seriousness, doesn't that apply to the PS3 at $600 as well, seeing as the hardware is pretty similar if not better technically, and has the blu-ray on top of the rest? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 02, 2007, 06:34:30 PM Then, in all seriousness, doesn't that apply to the PS3 at $600 as well, seeing as the hardware is pretty similar if not better technically, and has the blu-ray on top of the rest? Don't ask me why Sony is willing to lose money on the PS3 the way they are. I'm pretty sure, with the build quality of the 360, Microsoft has got to be making money. But the PS3, that thing is a goddamn tank. It's built like audiophile equipment. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: CmdrSlack on July 02, 2007, 06:50:44 PM THIRTY-SEVEN?
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on July 02, 2007, 07:01:36 PM As appalling as a failure rate in the mid-30s may look, I can see how that is possible.
FAR too many 360s are coming back, and they can't All be breaking due to Stupid Customers. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: cmlancas on July 02, 2007, 07:04:11 PM As appalling as a failure rate in the mid-30s may look, I can see how that is possible. FAR too many 360s are coming back, and they can't All be breaking due to Stupid Customers. I don't know, I could easily see 10-15% due to sheer stupidity. I work in retail and I hate it. Sample customer: I mean, why would my box have melted? Sure, I kept it in an airtight space that doubled as a space heater, but I don't understand why it stopped working. Fix it. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on July 02, 2007, 07:05:44 PM Yeah, there are definitely idiot customers buying the thing, but even after you account for that, Far Too Many systems are being returned. Let's be conservative and say 17% of the systems are outright failing. Way Too Many.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: cmlancas on July 02, 2007, 07:11:01 PM Aye. If the problem really is that the box runs too hot, why not just tack on some el cheapo fans until the thing runs cooler. I think I saw something about mobo board flexing -- couldn't a nice fan mount and a fan do the trick? I never would have believed how beneficial a 120mm fan (granted that is big for a 360) was until I actually put one in my fiance's rig. It runs at room temperature -- I really thought that I had broken the thermometer hardware when I first tested the PC.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on July 02, 2007, 07:15:10 PM Yeah, big fans are nice. There's an Antec or somesuch case going around that makes liberal use of large fans for intake and exhaust.
Even though I love my Lian-Li case, it's basically a black aluminum hotbox with some decent fans spread around. The next case I build with will be making cooling and airflow priorities. Somewhat related, but I hate that there is a legitimate market and demand for aftermarket coolers for the 360. It's a console - shit is just supposed to work out-of-the-box. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 02, 2007, 07:19:51 PM Just got my Elite today from the latest shipment. IRONICALLY, when I re-plugged in my old one to get The Darkness out before I brought it back to the store, the fucker red ringed.
It's definitely quieter and cooler. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: cmlancas on July 02, 2007, 07:21:35 PM Completely agree Strazos. How about a 90MM below the flex point of the motherboard and a 90MM above it? I think that would solve the problems people are having with the poor hardware.
And to reply to our psuedo-derail, airflow makes a ridiculous difference. I really was quite ignorant until I built this last PC. I just figured AMDs ran hot and there was not much I could do about it. However, when I really focused on it in my last build, the results were astounding. I'm quite surprised that it seems it was overlooked in the 360. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on July 02, 2007, 07:53:10 PM Well, as a rule, AMDs do run hot, but it can be controlled.
My poor old Athlon XP is so beat up, I'm happy that it boots up when I need it to. I've taken to just leaving it on, because even after I login to my desktop, once I try to launch Anything, it can take 1-5 minutes before the desktop will actually "work." Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Trippy on July 02, 2007, 07:54:52 PM Well, as a rule, AMDs do run hot, but it can be controlled. No, that's not a rule.Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: cmlancas on July 02, 2007, 08:05:18 PM Well, as a rule, AMDs do run hot, but it can be controlled. No, that's not a rule.Trippy is totally right, but I should've stated I was working with a 3400+. He's certainly much more tech savvy than I. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: LanTheWarder on July 02, 2007, 08:23:40 PM I think when I get my 360 back I am going to buy one of these.
Xbox 360 4-in-1 Charging Fan Stand (http://www.madcatz.com/Default.asp?Page=303&CategoryImg=Xbox_360_Accessories) I've heard the Nyko Intercooler causes more problems than it fixes, but I can't see how this could do anything but help and it's got a charger. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on July 02, 2007, 08:25:40 PM Well, as a rule, AMDs do run hot, but it can be controlled. No, that's not a rule.:| Can we say that MY AMD runs hot, as a rule? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Trippy on July 02, 2007, 10:19:58 PM Well, as a rule, AMDs do run hot, but it can be controlled. No, that's not a rule.Can we say that MY AMD runs hot, as a rule? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yoru on July 02, 2007, 10:46:55 PM Then, in all seriousness, doesn't that apply to the PS3 at $600 as well, seeing as the hardware is pretty similar if not better technically, and has the blu-ray on top of the rest? Don't ask me why Sony is willing to lose money on the PS3 the way they are. I'm pretty sure, with the build quality of the 360, Microsoft has got to be making money. But the PS3, that thing is a goddamn tank. It's built like audiophile equipment. It's called a Loss Leader. Basic business strategy, you sell your base unit at a loss in order to entice more people to buy it (see: elastic demand curve), then make your money on products that depend on the base unit. Also called the Razor and Blades strategy. In this case, the 'blades' are the license fees collected per PS3 disc sold, as well as dev kits and peripherals. Same reason Microsoft sold their console at a loss initially, although manufacturing costs at this point are probably down to break-even or minor profitability. At full price, the market for these machines would be much smaller - at least initially. And both Sony and Microsoft were desperate to "win" this round of consoles via marrying themselves to HD and trying to outsell the other to get that larger install base with which to pimp their platform to publishers in order to suckle on the sweet tit of Madden's platform license fees. And I have to say, this thread pretty much held my nascent desire to get a 360 for Mass Effect and a few other titles under the water until it drowned in the tub. I'll wait for a hardware revision that doesn't have glaring structural defects. And is reasonably priced - say, $300 or less for a non-crippled model. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Righ on July 02, 2007, 11:37:49 PM It's built like audiophile equipment. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 02, 2007, 11:42:29 PM Ok, wiseass, what's it built like? It's most definately built better than Audiophile on a Budget shit, but where does it cap out?
I can confidently say it's built better than my crapped out Integra 7.2 receiver. Edit: I'm snippy tonight for some reason, apologies. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Bunk on July 03, 2007, 07:16:01 AM Got my Elite the week after they came out, only issue so far is one time it hung on booting. Turned it on and off and it was fine. It Hung or the graphics turned into a checkerboard. If it's the latter, oh man, that sucks. No, nothing like that. I turned it on and no picture came up. I turned it off and on again and everything worked. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Murgos on July 03, 2007, 10:32:27 AM THIRTY-SEVEN? TRY NOT TO SUCK ANY DICK ON THE WAY OUT OF THE PARKING LOT!!!Took me forever to get that. Kudos sir, your brilliance has astounded me. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: HaemishM on July 03, 2007, 12:59:00 PM Well-played, Clerks. I didn't get it until you said something. I knew it, it was right on the tip of my brain.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Righ on July 03, 2007, 01:51:09 PM Ok, wiseass, what's it built like? It's most definately built better than Audiophile on a Budget shit, but where does it cap out? Audiophile equipment is designed to do one thing well - produce high fidelity sound. Extra crap is left out of the circuits so that a minimum number of things get in the way of sound reproduction, cheap components with conventional tolerances are replaced with disturbingly expensive ones with very high tolerances and high electrical and heat stability. It also tends to be hand-built, if only because the number of units involved tends to be low due to the high prices. What Sony have done is not similar - they are using regular tolerances, complex circuits filled with compromises to fidelity to provide features - the system is well built because of manufacturing quality assurance rather than design. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: CmdrSlack on July 03, 2007, 01:59:05 PM And what's beautiful is that Clerks reference also kinda refers to the state of the 360, even though it was directed at something else.
:mrgreen: Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Chimpy on July 03, 2007, 03:46:59 PM And what's beautiful is that Clerks reference also kinda refers to the state of the 360, even though it was directed at something else. :mrgreen: I got it right away when I saw it yesterday (before you bolded it) but my only thought was to post "In a row?!?!" but it would not have added anything to the conversation. And on the 360 thing, maybe the fact that they can be turned into decepticons and attack you through the box has something to do with the problem? heh. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Kitsune on July 03, 2007, 04:36:32 PM Ventilation is more than just the holes in the console's case, a lot has to do with the environment it's in. A lot of TV center furniture has little cubbyholes for the electronics that allow for NO airflow, the things just sit there and cook in their own waste heat. It doesn't matter how open or ventilated the case is if the air is trapped just outside the case. My old TV stand was like that, and you could nearly burn yourself by putting your hand on the receiver. My new stand is completely open on the sides and back and has glorious ventilation for everything, and as if by magic the receiver is now much cooler.
Likewise, leaving equipment on a carpeted floor is just begging to have the underside vents plugged up by carpet. Voila, overheat. It's like the people who put their laptops on their beds. Surprise, fuckers, those puffy blankets covered up the area under the computer that was supposed to give it airflow, and lo and behold it caught on fire. I wouldn't go so far as to say that 360s are flawed for overheating when placed in a spot that denies them fresh air, but the engineers were certainly short-sighted for not taking less than optimum environments into consideration when designing the heat systems. They should've had massively excessive cooling systems to compensate for the average living room. As for the PS3, the scaling problems of PS2 games were fixed. However, there are still scaling problems for PS3 games, ironically. Owners of older HDTVs that can only do 1080i are still fucked with PS3 games that don't support 1080. The PS3 tries to send at 720p, the TV can't do 720p, so the PS3 drops to 480p and looks like shit on their TV. Apparently whatever method it uses to upscale PS2 games to 1080 can't be done on PS3 games. Of course, only a very few HDTVs are out there that can't support 720p, so the problem only affects a small minority of players. That minority is rather pissed off, though, to read their petition posts on the Playstation forums. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Sairon on July 03, 2007, 07:01:56 PM I wouldn't go so far as to say that 360s are flawed for overheating when placed in a spot that denies them fresh air, but the engineers were certainly short-sighted for not taking less than optimum environments into consideration when designing the heat systems. They should've had massively excessive cooling systems to compensate for the average living room. You're saying a console who's having a ~30% failure rate for overheating isn't flawed because of it? It should be pretty obvious when dealing with the targeted customer group that the majority of them won't know shit about issues like these. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Big Gulp on July 03, 2007, 07:27:01 PM I wouldn't go so far as to say that 360s are flawed for overheating when placed in a spot that denies them fresh air, but the engineers were certainly short-sighted for not taking less than optimum environments into consideration when designing the heat systems. They should've had massively excessive cooling systems to compensate for the average living room. You're saying a console who's having a ~30% failure rate for overheating isn't flawed because of it? It should be pretty obvious when dealing with the targeted customer group that the majority of them won't know shit about issues like these. And then there's people like me. Mine's on the top of my non-enclosed entertainment center, and it never moves, gets kicked, etc. Red ringed after 6 months, had a DVD drive that's been getting progressively worse since I bought it. I can only assume that I'm not alone. This isn't just a case of the consumer fucking up their systems. It's substandard quality control, period. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Hayduke on July 03, 2007, 07:27:38 PM Voila, overheat. It's like the people who put their laptops on their beds. Surprise, fuckers, those puffy blankets covered up the area under the computer that was supposed to give it airflow, and lo and behold it caught on fire. In general I'd agree. But it depends on the laptop. I wouldn't put a shitty HP, Alienware or Sony Vaio on a blanket in bed, but a high-quality laptop like a Thinkpad, Toshiba or Mac are well-designed for those situations. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Hayduke on July 03, 2007, 07:33:18 PM Maybe I have a different definition, but I don't consider audiophile to be consumer level. But professional level. I don't know, my dad is an audio engineer with a studio who's been in the music business for forty years and it's worlds apart from what you can shop for down at Best Buy. He pretty much got started with things by making his own equipment though. Maybe audiophile represents a more enthusiast than professional level though, which may be accurate for PS3.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: LanTheWarder on July 03, 2007, 07:35:31 PM I wouldn't go so far as to say that 360s are flawed for overheating when placed in a spot that denies them fresh air, but the engineers were certainly short-sighted for not taking less than optimum environments into consideration when designing the heat systems. They should've had massively excessive cooling systems to compensate for the average living room. You're saying a console who's having a ~30% failure rate for overheating isn't flawed because of it? It should be pretty obvious when dealing with the targeted customer group that the majority of them won't know shit about issues like these. And then there's people like me. Mine's on the top of my non-enclosed entertainment center, and it never moves, gets kicked, etc. Red ringed after 6 months, had a DVD drive that's been getting progressively worse since I bought it. I can only assume that I'm not alone. This isn't just a case of the consumer fucking up their systems. It's substandard quality control, period. Same with me. Mine was on top of my TV vertical with plenty of airflow. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on July 03, 2007, 07:58:47 PM You're saying a console who's having a ~30% failure rate for overheating isn't flawed because of it? It's probably fair to knock the failure rate down a few notches, due to plain buyer stupidity. Also, kids. That being said, there are far too many problems with the system. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: LanTheWarder on July 03, 2007, 08:04:55 PM No one can prove that it has a 30% failure rate, but it is obviously well above the standard acceptable 3-5%. Which would include buyer stupidity.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Kitsune on July 03, 2007, 09:03:34 PM I wouldn't go so far as to say that 360s are flawed for overheating when placed in a spot that denies them fresh air, but the engineers were certainly short-sighted for not taking less than optimum environments into consideration when designing the heat systems. They should've had massively excessive cooling systems to compensate for the average living room. You're saying a console who's having a ~30% failure rate for overheating isn't flawed because of it? It should be pretty obvious when dealing with the targeted customer group that the majority of them won't know shit about issues like these. Put a computer in an enclosed box and run it for hours and it'll melt down too, do you blame the computer? I've seen pictures of macbooks with their keyboards melted from overheating when their owners put them on a soft surface that clogged their intakes. When you have a lot of juice running through electronics to power the various processors and video chips, you get a lot of heat. I haven't put my PS3 in a spot with bad ventilation (and I'm not gonna, given its price tag), but I'm pretty sure it'd break too. Electronics that are treated unkindly are gonna break. These new consoles with all of their processors are heat monsters, you can't just kick the thing around like a Super NES and expect everything to be okay. Old consoles were pillars of sturdiness on account of no moving parts and not a lot of power, the new breed are as powerful as desktops and need to be treated as such. [Edit: And to not ignore people like Big Gulp, 360s that've died despite being well-ventilated do point to the console having inadequate cooling. My point's just that the failure rate is likely being exacerbated by far less than ideal setups in various living rooms.] Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 03, 2007, 09:12:27 PM I've had my PS3 running for 12+ hours before with only 3 inches on each side, 7 inches on the back, and an open front. Didn't even hiccup. Once again, the thing is a beast.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Sairon on July 04, 2007, 01:09:20 AM Put a computer in an enclosed box and run it for hours and it'll melt down too, do you blame the computer? I've seen pictures of macbooks with their keyboards melted from overheating when their owners put them on a soft surface that clogged their intakes. When you have a lot of juice running through electronics to power the various processors and video chips, you get a lot of heat. I haven't put my PS3 in a spot with bad ventilation (and I'm not gonna, given its price tag), but I'm pretty sure it'd break too. Electronics that are treated unkindly are gonna break. These new consoles with all of their processors are heat monsters, you can't just kick the thing around like a Super NES and expect everything to be okay. Old consoles were pillars of sturdiness on account of no moving parts and not a lot of power, the new breed are as powerful as desktops and need to be treated as such. [Edit: And to not ignore people like Big Gulp, 360s that've died despite being well-ventilated do point to the console having inadequate cooling. My point's just that the failure rate is likely being exacerbated by far less than ideal setups in various living rooms.] If the consumer actively tries to enclose the box and block the ventilation it's understandable that it breaks but that's surely not the case, a console should manage poor TV stands etc though since that's where a lot of people will put them. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Murgos on July 04, 2007, 07:06:25 AM Maybe I have a different definition, but I don't consider audiophile to be consumer level. But professional level. Audiophile is certainly enthusiast rather than professional. Professional setups have to be cost aware, you cannot spend so much on the equipment that you can't turn a profit on your product. Professional anything tends to be few frills, does what it does extremely well (but generally only does that one thing) and designed for heavy, day in, day out, continuous use. I can see where audiophile stuff seems to cross the border because they tend to follow the simplicity of purpose paradigm but I think that's where the similarity ends. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Sairon on July 04, 2007, 06:47:58 PM http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=123215 apparently PS3s actually do break too :P
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Tannhauser on July 04, 2007, 09:16:37 PM I stood my 360 up and put in my new game ST Legacy (fuck you for mocking me, I like Star Trek :)). I did the tutorial mission and
it crashed. The drive or something put a mark on my disk where the 360 wouldn't read it. I managed to reboot the 360 and wipe the mark off and it's working again. So I'm NEVER standing it up again. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Jain Zar on July 04, 2007, 11:14:15 PM Bought April 06. Hasn't broken yet, but I have had the random lock up (mostly in Chromehounds), and the odd dirty disk error. System sits on a big Games Workshop box on the floor, with over 2 feet of rear airflow, up to the ceiling for top flow, and 6-12 inches on each side.
My NES, SNES, X Box, Genesis, N64, Gamecube, Nomad, Sega CD, Saturn, Game Boy, Game Boy Color, GB Advance (outside of a shoulder button I needed to fix), DS, Atari 2600, 7800, Intellivision, Neo Geo Pocket Color, N Gage QD, and PSP all have worked pretty much spiffy. Only the PS1 (was a floor model), which required upside down play, PS2 which had randomly closing disk tray issues and a static electricity LED issue and now hates running Wizardry, the Dreamcast (random reboot issue that is apparently rather common) have given me any trouble. I shouldn't be AFRAID to play my 360. But I am. And I treat my systems like GOLD. Its bad build quality, not anything I have done to em that give me any troubles. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Riggswolfe on July 05, 2007, 06:35:53 AM I stood my 360 up and put in my new game ST Legacy (fuck you for mocking me, I like Star Trek :)). I did the tutorial mission and it crashed. The drive or something put a mark on my disk where the 360 wouldn't read it. I managed to reboot the 360 and wipe the mark off and it's working again. So I'm NEVER standing it up again. How is Star Trek legacy? I've been kind of hoping it's basically Starfleet Command, I used to :heart: that particular series on PC. Only two things have kept me from buying it 1) The reviews and 2) It covers all eras and I only care about Original Series and Next Gen, all the rest of it can disappear IMO. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Joey on July 05, 2007, 06:40:42 AM I've had my 360 for nearly 3 months, and as of a week ago, it has started with the disc error messages.
There's nothing quite like defeating that difficult boss in Dead Rising, only to have a random disc-read error on the post-battle cutscene. :roll: I dreadfully await the red ring o' death... Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Sky on July 05, 2007, 07:07:24 AM Also, kids. It's a GAME CONSOLE. You can't dismiss the kid abuse factor in a product for kids. It's great adults enjoy games, too. But you have to design for your lowest common denominator.Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on July 05, 2007, 07:49:31 AM Last night the 360 hung two times after snapping a picture and accepting it, required a powercycle both times. Da da duuuum!
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 05, 2007, 07:53:27 AM Also, kids. It's a GAME CONSOLE. You can't dismiss the kid abuse factor in a product for kids. It's great adults enjoy games, too. But you have to design for your lowest common denominator.Anyone who would buy their KID a $400+ game system deserves anything they get. Some systems aren't for kids. How many E10/G rated games are there? Oh, only racing games? Surely a 6 year old can tear some ass in Forza. Go get a Wii. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on July 05, 2007, 07:57:30 AM Live Arcade.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 05, 2007, 08:12:13 AM Live Arcade. Is there any situation where you would let your "kid" remember, I'm not saying tween or some shit here, but KID go unattended onto the marketplace? Even then, something about new gaming hardware just doesn't say "Kid" to me. If any kid - let's say - under 10 - is playing on anything more than a SNES, they're 1. Not getting the gaming education they need, and 2. Are likely overpampered. But then, I think gaming should have a curriculum. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on July 05, 2007, 09:09:22 AM You do have a valid point in there and I'm just playing devil's advocate for the most part, but loosely speaking I don't think there's anything wrong with letting someone under ten play Aegis Wing, for example. Should he play R-Type first? Sure, but that's not always viable. I would be faced with letting my son play Live Arcade or my SNES, and I have to say that I'm far more inclined to let him use the one that I can easily replace. Also, I have long since decided that everything I own will be destroyed by the boy and I find quite a bit of serenity in acceptance. And service plans. This is not applicable to everyone, of course, and I was once like you. Now, however, I'm a father and it's like a different universe.
Now, if I bought my son a $400 toy and he abused it in some way (taping the vents, etc), there would be some life lesson handed out to educate him on respect for property just as if he wrecked his bike being a dumbass. I'm not sure most parents would do that, but I would. He already says things like "Just buy another one" and he's only three, so I have my work cut out for me. Also, boys will be boys, etc. Parenting is hard. I have not bothered to look, but doesn't the 360 have parental controls? If not, then yes: get a Wii. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 05, 2007, 09:14:56 AM Gradius or R-Type are good choices. I think it would be interesting to train a kid on shooters and move him up to danmaku/bullet hell shooters. I be he'd have a hella twitch abilities by age 8. SNES systems are easy and cheap to replace. And the games are plentiful and really, while many of the games are theoretically harder, the learning curve isn't. And there's a kinda of beauty to letting kids experience certain games at certain times (like FF4/6 when they're young).
My opinion? Buy a few original xboxes, soft mod them, and load them up with ROMs. Yes, the 360 has parental controls. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on July 05, 2007, 10:33:16 AM I have two broken SNES, what is your suggestion there? If that is sound, I might ask you about my broken NES.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 05, 2007, 10:44:49 AM Throw away the broken ones and buy one from a mother on craigslist for a few bucks.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Sky on July 05, 2007, 11:35:47 AM If any kid - let's say - under 10 - is playing on anything more than a SNES, they're 1. Not getting the gaming education they need, and 2. Are likely overpampered. Hey look. Our lil schildy's gettin' all old. How cuuute!I started gaming on a text-only terminal running off a mainframe. I disagree with what you said, oh crotchety one. Naked Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: CmdrSlack on July 05, 2007, 11:59:12 AM Kids are going to play games. Hell, my idiot cousin lets my cool younger cousin (we're talking 7) play GTA when she's over at his house. I fear this, but she's also really awesome at some Mario game for the DS, so maybe she's just that rad.
At least she still has empathy. She doesn't mind shooting cops or random passerby, but she thinks killing the hooker to get your money back is crass and uncool because "she earned it." Ok, that part is made up, but my 7 year old cousin rules. If I had a 360, I'd let her play Dead Rising because she's into zombies. When my daughter is old enough to appreciate the "don't harm dad's electronics lest ye lose an arm" thing, I'll likely let her play Viva Pinata or whatever similar game is out for whatever console I own at that point. Heck, I'd let her play Katamari too. There's plenty of games that kids can play. I know plenty of parents who bought expensive consoles for their kids -- heck, when I was a kid, I knew kids who had an NES or a SNES, adn those things weren't cheap at that point. Heck, maybe they were, but my mom and dad avoided buying me one by playing the cost card. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Riggswolfe on July 05, 2007, 12:59:27 PM /slightderail
I was browsing in gamestop yesterday and was there for maybe 10 minutes. In that time two kids, youunger than 10 went to the counter while I was checking out. One asked for GTA and the other asked about Rainbow Six Vegas. I said "umm..aren't they too young to be asking about M-rated games?" The clerk shrugged and said "yeah, but it happens all the time. You'd be surprised." /derailoff I kind of made me mad, both from the standpoint they shouldn't have these games and from the standpoint that that kind of shit gives ammo to the anti-game zealots. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 05, 2007, 01:01:29 PM Gamestop doesn't pay it's regular clerks enough to give a shit.
See, the problem is, people have to "care." Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yoru on July 05, 2007, 01:03:01 PM Funny... I get carded at EB whenever there's a clerk that doesn't recognize me. I asked the manager about it at one point when she was out at the front desk, and she told me it was company policy - both the clerk and manager could get sacked if someone rightfully reported them for selling M-rated games to people who look "under 30" without checking ID.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Sky on July 05, 2007, 01:04:35 PM Quote Anyone who would buy their KID a $400+ game system deserves anything they get. The Atari 2600 was $200 in 1977 dollars. That's about $686 in modern dollars.Git off mah lawn. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Sky on July 05, 2007, 01:06:19 PM Gamestop doesn't pay it's regular clerks enough to give a shit. The problem is people need to "make enough money" to care. See, the problem is, people have to "care." Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 05, 2007, 01:11:20 PM Funny... I get carded at EB whenever there's a clerk that doesn't recognize me. I asked the manager about it at one point when she was out at the front desk, and she told me it was company policy - both the clerk and manager could get sacked if someone rightfully reported them for selling M-rated games to people who look "under 30" without checking ID. Har. That Manager cares. Gamestop doesn't pay it's regular clerks enough to give a shit. The problem is people need to "make enough money" to care. See, the problem is, people have to "care." Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: HaemishM on July 05, 2007, 01:14:33 PM I was in EB the other day trading in a bunch of X-Box games and this kid was beside me with his mom, trading in games and pre-ordering others. This fucker was probably 16. He had floppy hair across his vacant eyes, and one of those shitty I've-never-shaved-so-it-looks-like-I-have-a-dirty-upper-lip "moustaches" and he and the mother were being busily worked over by the female manager (I think she's the manager) to spend some of that trade-in money on pre-orders. The idiot failing to ring my trade-ins out because he was too fucking busy trying to whore me and this dumbass kid up on pre-orders like some douchetard used car salesman starts naming off games besides Halo 3 he should preorder for his 360. He mentions Bioshock and the kid asks if that's a shooter or an RPG. I tell him kindly that it's a hybrid shooter like the original Deus Ex. He gives me the blankest, most vacuuous stare imaginable and says, "I don't know what that is." I explained it was a shooter with RPG elements.
And I wept a lot on the inside. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 05, 2007, 01:30:16 PM If he was with his mom, he probably wasn't 16. So let's assume he was 8 when Deus Ex came out. You live in Mississippi, I'd imagine the number of people who own PCs is lower than... anywhere. Mars, even. Now let's crank that back to 2000. This is roughly when fire was discovered, rite? I know running water showed up in June of 2002. So, we can assume that a grand total of 3 people in glorious Mississippi had computers. They were Japanese ex-pats. So, I have to ask, how the hell did you play it back then. Also, that kids mom - really his sister.
Oh yea. Wicked Burn. ZING. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: HaemishM on July 05, 2007, 01:35:50 PM Deus Ex 2, despite being utter dogshit, did come out just a few years ago. He didn't even know that one.
Being inbred is just the result of a shallow dating pool. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 05, 2007, 01:41:41 PM Oh shit, I forgot to tell you that you're the only literate person in Mississippi. Joke ruined.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Riggswolfe on July 05, 2007, 02:09:12 PM Funny... I get carded at EB whenever there's a clerk that doesn't recognize me. I asked the manager about it at one point when she was out at the front desk, and she told me it was company policy - both the clerk and manager could get sacked if someone rightfully reported them for selling M-rated games to people who look "under 30" without checking ID. In all fairness the kids didn't buy while I was there. They just asked about the games. I also got carded at EB games the other day and I'm 35! (which is odd because I thought EB Games and Gamestop were owned by the same corporation now.) Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: WayAbvPar on July 05, 2007, 02:09:29 PM Quote I know running water showed up in June of 2002. It was certainly running like a motherfucker in August 2005. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: MisterNoisy on July 05, 2007, 02:23:28 PM 3 Year warranty for red ring failures now (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/petermooreletter.htm)
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on July 05, 2007, 02:33:20 PM I made a news thread about this on the frontpage/top forum.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Merusk on July 05, 2007, 03:00:42 PM Anyone who would buy their KID a $400+ game system deserves anything they get. Some systems aren't for kids. How many E10/G rated games are there? Oh, only racing games? Surely a 6 year old can tear some ass in Forza. Go get a Wii. What's funny is you say things like this, then bitch that the PS3s aren't selling. Gee, correlation maybe? Yes, the majority of the populace looks down on you if you're over 25 and buying game consoles for anyone other than your kids. Buying it for your kids and playing it yourself once in a while is OK, as long as you suck or it's when you're drunk. Perceptions will change, eventually, but that's still the viewpoint of the masses and another reason the Wii is kicking the other consoles asses. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Signe on July 05, 2007, 03:52:22 PM There's a... never mind, I'll shut up and just go read it.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yoru on July 05, 2007, 04:17:07 PM Funny... I get carded at EB whenever there's a clerk that doesn't recognize me. I asked the manager about it at one point when she was out at the front desk, and she told me it was company policy - both the clerk and manager could get sacked if someone rightfully reported them for selling M-rated games to people who look "under 30" without checking ID. In all fairness the kids didn't buy while I was there. They just asked about the games. I also got carded at EB games the other day and I'm 35! (which is odd because I thought EB Games and Gamestop were owned by the same corporation now.) Information wants to be free, maaaaaaaaaaan... Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on July 05, 2007, 06:22:53 PM If he was with his mom, he probably wasn't 16. So let's assume he was 8 when Deus Ex came out. You live in Mississippi, I'd imagine the number of people who own PCs is lower than... anywhere. Mars, even. Now let's crank that back to 2000. This is roughly when fire was discovered, rite? I know running water showed up in June of 2002. So, we can assume that a grand total of 3 people in glorious Mississippi had computers. They were Japanese ex-pats. So, I have to ask, how the hell did you play it back then. Also, that kids mom - really his sister. Oh yea. Wicked Burn. ZING. Ok, I lol'ed. Also, yeah, I card people. I don't care; I don't need people coming back and hassling me later. Also, lol@Haemish for expecting a young kid to have heard of Deus Ex. AND Sky....the 360 is not a kids' toy, it's a fairly expensive piece of electronics. While yes, MS could stand to build the system to handle more abuse, that doesn't mean the system should be expected to be kid-proof. I had a fucking NES at age 4. I've never broken anything have to do with any of my gaming systems. I've never even thrown a controller. Ever. It's not unreasonable to expect even a child to Not Break Shit. I blame the parents, mostly. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Tannhauser on July 05, 2007, 09:08:19 PM Quote How is Star Trek legacy? I've been kind of hoping it's basically Starfleet Command, I used to :heart: that particular series on PC. Only two things have kept me from buying it 1) The reviews and 2) It covers all eras and I only care about Original Series and Next Gen, all the rest of it can disappear IMO. So far I like it a lot. Skirmish mode is fun for a quick knock 'em up. I am on the 4th mission, you start as Archer and the Enterprise (Faiiiith of the Hearrrrrttttttt). I guess you progress thru the eras after that. It's not as detailed as SC, but close enough. Good graphics, colorful systems but the missions are like 20 minutes long each with no save points. I'm puzzled why it got such bad ratings maybe Picard and Ricker snuggle in a jeffries tube on the USS Brokeback Mtn. Oh and driving the original Enterprise and fighting Klingon D7's is worth the $40 to me (Wal-Mart price down) Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Tale on July 05, 2007, 10:58:50 PM Defective Xbox 360 consoles to cost Microsoft a billion dollars (http://au.news.yahoo.com/070706/19/13wqy.html)
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: UnSub on July 06, 2007, 12:07:00 AM Deus Ex 2, despite being utter dogshit, did come out just a few years ago. He didn't even know that one. Being inbred is just the result of a shallow dating pool. Gamers, especially casual gamers, suck at knowing gaming history for any time before they started playing. And then their starting point for game history becomes when games 'got popular' i.e. they started playing. For instance, I recently read some guy posting elsewhere about how Warcraft was the first true RTS and how Dune 2000 and C&C didn't bring anything new to the genre essentially because they didn't have games out RIGHT NOW. The lack of availability of older games and the fact they can be more clunky to play probably also doesn't help players learn such history. Of course, maybe these people are just idiots. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on July 06, 2007, 06:48:27 AM AND Sky....the 360 is not a kids' toy, it's a fairly expensive piece of electronics. ... I had a fucking NES at age 4. I smell perspective paradoxes! Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Sky on July 06, 2007, 07:36:37 AM Yes. And the fact that, adjusted for inflation, the atari 2600 was more expensive than a PS3. It's a game console. Kids are a primary target audience, even if adults now play a lot of games. You /have/ to engineer for that.
When I was 4 there was the Magnavox Odyssey. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: CmdrSlack on July 06, 2007, 07:39:21 AM Quote It's not unreasonable to expect even a child to Not Break Shit. I blame the parents, mostly. Heh. Right. Have one. Get back to the people that do. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Murgos on July 06, 2007, 07:44:42 AM I remember when we got our 2600. We had pong. With the paddles. It was awesome.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on July 06, 2007, 07:45:12 AM I try not to be That Guy, since before I had a kid I was That Other Guy and believe you can't convince non-parents of anything related to children. But CmdrSlack is right, any comments on children from non-parents are invalid. I don't give people a hard time about it because the only solution is to procreate, and I don't think we want Strazos to do that.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: HaemishM on July 06, 2007, 08:38:53 AM Also, lol@Haemish for expecting a young kid to have heard of Deus Ex. When I was that kid's age, I was playing shit like Wasteland on a 4.77 mhz PC that could dualboot to Apple II OS, on C-G-FUCKING-A. I don't think it's unreasonable the little cumstain could know about one of the greatest games in history that isn't even a decade old, especially when its shitty sequel came out within the last few years for the predecessor system of the one he currently owned. Oh and to shave his fucking quivering Mongoloid lip. And get a goddamn haircut, you moppet-quaffed hippie. Quote It's not unreasonable to expect even a child to Not Break Shit. I blame the parents, mostly. Yes, it really is unreasonable to expect a child to Not Break Shit. It's what kids do. Your $20,000 car? They'll roll it down a hill trying to imitate daddy driving. That $50 DVD player? It WILL have peanut butter jammed in it. Your collection of pr0n tapes? Someone's wearing those tapes out and it isn't just you. Most kids do not know or care how to take care of shit. Hell, most adults don't know how, and they've had training. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Riggswolfe on July 06, 2007, 09:33:57 AM Also, yeah, I card people. I don't care; I don't need people coming back and hassling me later. I didn't mind I just thought it was kind of funny. I haven't been carded for anything, including hard liquor for about a decade now. Something about my goattee and shaved head not to mention my credit cards usually gets the idea across that I'm not a teen ager. If I had been female I'd probably have been pleased. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on July 06, 2007, 11:01:22 PM Am I the only person here who didn't break shit as a kid?
No, I take that back. I did in fact break a toy, once; a brand-new Ghostbuster Janine figure (come on, you had to have Everyone from the show if you used these things). I promptly decided that burying the thing by a vacant house a few doors down was better than letting my parents find out I broke the thing. I bet it's still there. I should try to find the picture of when I decided to empty the china cabinet and stack it on the dining room table. At age 2. Sure, I expect a kid to possibly break stuff you give to them....but if your kid is the type to break stuff, do you give them something like a 360? I think not. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yoru on July 07, 2007, 12:41:12 AM You are a special and unique snowflake.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Azazel on July 07, 2007, 04:43:53 AM If any kid - let's say - under 10 - is playing on anything more than a SNES, they're 1. Not getting the gaming education they need, and 2. Are likely overpampered. But then, I think gaming should have a curriculum. The amount you're out of touch with the real world amuses me no end at times. PS1/Gamecube are the absolute low end for normal kids, with the PS2 and X-Box being most common, followed by DSes and PSPs and a smattering of 360s, Wiis and PS3s. For all the great stuff that the SNES had, you can't find the things anymore if you're a regular person, particularly a parent. The kids all want the latest shiney as much as you do, as well. With an increasing number of young parents who grew up with PS1 and 2/X-Box, PS3s and 360s are finding their way into more family homes. And, let's face it, even more PS2s. Pink ones, Guitar Hero, Buzz, Singstar, etc. Kids don't want to play Gradius these days. Well, younger ones will play anything, but give them a few years and they want the latest shiney. Also, lol@Haemish for expecting a young kid to have heard of Deus Ex. When I was that kid's age, I was playing shit like Wasteland on a 4.77 mhz PC that could dualboot to Apple II OS, on C-G-FUCKING-A. I don't think it's unreasonable the little cumstain could know about one of the greatest games in history that isn't even a decade old, especially when its shitty sequel came out within the last few years for the predecessor system of the one he currently owned. Oh and to shave his fucking quivering Mongoloid lip. And get a goddamn haircut, you moppet-quaffed hippie. So you're suggesting I should perhaps install Deus Ex again and try to play through it? (for a first run-through) I guess I did download that texture pack.. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: CmdrSlack on July 07, 2007, 08:58:32 AM Am I the only person here who didn't break shit as a kid? No, I take that back. I did in fact break a toy, once; a brand-new Ghostbuster Janine figure (come on, you had to have Everyone from the show if you used these things). I promptly decided that burying the thing by a vacant house a few doors down was better than letting my parents find out I broke the thing. I bet it's still there. So you never strapped an M80 to a GI Joe figure to see what happened? Dang, you missed out. Did your parents have some uber punishment for breaking toys? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Signe on July 07, 2007, 09:42:12 AM I hated dollies when I was small, even GI Joe sort. I either gave them away or pulled them apart. I loved my bike, roller skates and water toys. I would wear my duckie intertube everywhere. No water required.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on July 07, 2007, 10:12:14 AM Never owned a GI Joe. Never particularly liked the cartoon either; TMNT and Ghostbusters were more popular where I lived at the time.
So no, I've never blown up a GI Joe with an M80. I've never used an M80 either, as they're patently illegal. Where would a 7 year old get a M80 anyway? Also, no, I don't remember any particular punishment for breaking toys. I never really broke anything as a kid, and I only panicked when I broke the Ghostbuster because I had only gotten it about 2 hours previous to burying the evidence. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on July 07, 2007, 10:13:36 AM You are a special and unique snowflake. Stop it, that's not what I mean. Did I just miss the part of childhood where you break all of your Fun Stuff? I was never one for wanton destruction as a child. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yoru on July 07, 2007, 11:26:59 AM Did I just miss the part of childhood where you break all of your Fun Stuff? I was never one for wanton destruction as a child. Apparently. Hell, I used to buy shitty discount candies and stick them in the road, then hide behind a bush and giggle as they got smashed flat by car tires. Go burn something. It'll be cathartic. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: caladein on July 07, 2007, 11:54:56 AM I wouldn't really wreck my stuff as long as it wasn't something I built. Gundam models and Lego stuff would slowly but surely get ripped apart though.
Kind of wished I had demolished random action figures and not the mildly cool stuff, but alas. And no, no M80s here either, but that's because I'm weird. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Signe on July 07, 2007, 12:53:27 PM I used to love to blow things up and burn things down when I was a kid.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on July 07, 2007, 12:56:35 PM Never owned a GI Joe. Never particularly liked the cartoon either There was this great G.I. Joe where they were trying to get a thing away from Cobra, and the thing was called the McGuffin Device. I cry for you. Also, you probably don't think "porkchop sandwich" is funny. Double cry. Ants and a magnifying glass. Anyone? Shit, Signe, I still like to burn things. It fills me with glee. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on July 07, 2007, 03:01:47 PM Were you the same kids that used toads/frogs to play baseball with?
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Signe on July 07, 2007, 04:49:59 PM Nothing I ever blew up or burned down was alive.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Typhon on July 07, 2007, 05:03:02 PM Model airplanes were for making, then blowing up. It is a miscarriage of youth that they should be hung from ceilings with fishing line, no matter how well panted they were.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: CmdrSlack on July 07, 2007, 05:06:56 PM Were you the same kids that used toads/frogs to play baseball with? Nope, those are the kids who were budding psychopaths and serial killers. I used to catch crayfish to keep as pets, but that's about it. Oh, and fireflies and crickets, etc. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Trippy on July 07, 2007, 05:17:34 PM Ants and a magnifying glass. Anyone? We used magnifying glasses to melt "bullet holes" in our model airplanes.Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Merusk on July 07, 2007, 06:46:35 PM Model airplanes were for making, then blowing up. It is a miscarriage of youth that they should be hung from ceilings with fishing line, no matter how well panted they were. It was much more fun to get a model rocket kit, strap an engine in them and light it off. WOOSH "cool it really flew!" *burn* That and homemade napalm. Set my parent's driveway on fire with that one. Whoopsie. Thank goodness for fire extinguishers. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Selby on July 07, 2007, 10:35:02 PM At least you didn't make thermite and set it off. That's a nasty mess that the fire extinguisher can't correct.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on July 08, 2007, 03:04:39 AM Well, I was party to the starting of a minor Forest Fire...once.
More like I happened to be there when some dumb kid thought that lighting that snake things was a good idea...on top of the inside of some old ouch cushions, in the woods. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: cmlancas on July 08, 2007, 03:23:12 AM That and homemade napalm. Set my parent's driveway on fire with that one. Whoopsie. Thank goodness for fire extinguishers. Pretty sure you just set off some alarm bells somewheres on the intarweb. How the hell do you make homemade napalm? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Murgos on July 08, 2007, 05:58:55 AM Basic napalm is just gasoline and a thickening agent. I'm sure if you looked around you wouldn't have a problem finding more info.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: CmdrSlack on July 08, 2007, 07:41:03 AM Not to mention that it's super easy.
We also used to soak tennis balls with gas or lighter fluid, then light 'em and toss 'em down the street. It was as close as a young dork could come to a fireball and without the bat guano and sulfur. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Merusk on July 08, 2007, 08:53:39 AM Yes it's very, very, super easy. So much so that I don't like sharing it and providing dumb kids yet another method to kill themselves. If they want to discover it they can search it on their own, or have a friend tell them, which is the same way I learned.
My mistake was mixing it in a plastic container and not draining the excess gas. I left a drip trail from the 'test' bit I lit back to the container... very very stupid. I'm incredibly lucky I didn't set myself up at the same time. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: vex on July 08, 2007, 11:36:14 AM We also used to soak tennis balls with gas or lighter fluid, then light 'em and toss 'em down the street. It was as close as a young dork could come to a fireball and without the bat guano and sulfur. We used soda cans taped together and launched the flaming tennis ball with that. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Jain Zar on July 08, 2007, 01:15:06 PM I never blew up my model kits. My Robotech models were too precious to destroy. Superglue and novice skills were a threat to Roy Fokker's ride as it was!
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Triforcer on July 08, 2007, 02:34:33 PM All the posts on this page scare me. Didn't anyone have any good honest country fun, like pushing a hoop with a stick or kick the can? Why does the America-hating side of the debate have all the explosives training??
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: vex on July 08, 2007, 02:42:40 PM All the posts on this page scare me. Didn't anyone have any good honest country fun, like pushing a hoop with a stick or kick the can? I thought we were talking childhood ballistics not stuff they did on Little House on the Prairie. V Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Triforcer on July 08, 2007, 02:48:43 PM All the posts on this page scare me. Didn't anyone have any good honest country fun, like pushing a hoop with a stick or kick the can? I thought we were talking childhood ballistics not stuff they did on Little House on the Prairie. V Bah, there's nothing like going in the barn and having a good old-fashioned soybean fight/swim. Damn city kids with your sushi, diet colas, and museums full of pictures of men kissing each other. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: cmlancas on July 08, 2007, 07:41:10 PM Bah, there's nothing like going in the barn and having a good old-fashioned soybean fight/swim. Damn city kids with your sushi, diet colas, and museums full of pictures of men kissing each other. I don't know what museums you visit, but generally I see more nudes of women than men. :crying_panda: Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Sky on July 09, 2007, 07:29:38 AM Though we had m80s, we didn't waste them on GI Joes. When my singer and I decided we were too old for GI Joe (like 6th grade, he wasn't my singer then!), we took a bunch of shotgun shells and emptied out all the gunpowder. Then we filled the GI Joes with that, using fuses from firecrackers or bottle rockets or something. It was a clean break from childhood. Well, it was messy, but whatever.
We were also the idiots that would fire BB guns at each other when playing war ("Hey, no ten-pump!" then pump to ten ;)), corn cob grenades (those fuckers stung) and the occasional rare super-weapon, the roman candle. When someone lit one of those up it was like hearing a BFG wind up, everyone ducked behind cover and prayed it wasn't aimed their way. Funny thing is, nobody ever got hurt besides some scrapes and bruises. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on July 09, 2007, 09:19:47 AM Were you the same kids that used toads/frogs to play baseball with? No, that's cruel. Country fun? Mostly I played with HotWheels cars in the dirt. Before the cars, I just played with the dirt. Of course, I still dabbled in explosives and combustibles, never made that napalm even though I knew how; my dad told me how. Gasoline in a spray bottle was fun... hell, gasoline in _____ was fun. I would not cry over my G.I. Joes too much, it was just Tomax and Xamot. Cobra Commander was usually played by He-Man... of course He-Man paid for his war crimes via soldering iron... but that just transformed him into Tan Skeletor and the terrible cycle continued. He was eventually executed, death by firecracker in the eye socket, if I remember. Last of the great evils in the house, he was. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: MrHat on July 09, 2007, 10:03:44 AM I love America.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: HaemishM on July 09, 2007, 10:28:10 AM Also, lol@Haemish for expecting a young kid to have heard of Deus Ex. When I was that kid's age, I was playing shit like Wasteland on a 4.77 mhz PC that could dualboot to Apple II OS, on C-G-FUCKING-A. I don't think it's unreasonable the little cumstain could know about one of the greatest games in history that isn't even a decade old, especially when its shitty sequel came out within the last few years for the predecessor system of the one he currently owned. Oh and to shave his fucking quivering Mongoloid lip. And get a goddamn haircut, you moppet-quaffed hippie. So you're suggesting I should perhaps install Deus Ex again and try to play through it? (for a first run-through) I guess I did download that texture pack.. Yes, yes I am. The game is pure luv. Just remember it's on the original Unreal engine, and that you don't have to run-n-gun everything (though you can if you wish). The game is just teh awesome. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Brolan on July 09, 2007, 10:53:18 AM At the risk of bringing the thread back on topic... I've had mine since Dec'05 and never gotten the red-ring. Did have the scratched disc issue after one of my kids moved it while it was still on. Also the DVD drive is making more and more scary noises. I don't think it will last the summer.
With the amount of heat this thing puts out you could add a temp sensor to the motherboard, and hook to the OS so it would warn the user about overheating, then shutdown when it got too hot. Just like any decent computer motherboard out there. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Chimpy on July 09, 2007, 10:58:09 AM At the risk of bringing the thread back on topic... I've had mine since Dec'05 and never gotten the red-ring. Did have the scratched disc issue after one of my kids moved it while it was still on. Also the DVD drive is making more and more scary noises. I don't think it will last the summer. With the amount of heat this thing puts out you could add a temp sensor to the motherboard, and hook to the OS so it would warn the user about overheating, then shutdown when it got too hot. Just like any decent computer motherboard out there. Put an M80 in it, I am sure that will solve your lack of problems. (it will also put the topic back to the digressional off topic). Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: CmdrSlack on July 09, 2007, 11:10:44 AM At the risk of bringing the thread back on topic... I've had mine since Dec'05 and never gotten the red-ring. Did have the scratched disc issue after one of my kids moved it while it was still on. Also the DVD drive is making more and more scary noises. I don't think it will last the summer. With the amount of heat this thing puts out you could add a temp sensor to the motherboard, and hook to the OS so it would warn the user about overheating, then shutdown when it got too hot. Just like any decent computer motherboard out there. Put an M80 in it, I am sure that will solve your lack of problems. (it will also put the topic back to the digressional off topic). I'm waiting for the (hopefully) inevitable YouTube video where some kids go all Office Space on a red-ringing 360. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on July 09, 2007, 12:12:05 PM Rumors of redesigned 360, notably using a 65nm process:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/07/microsofts_next_move_code-name_falcon.html Article speculates the new-inside 360 will arrive in 2007. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Tale on July 10, 2007, 03:00:10 PM The breakfast show at the TV station where I work just did a segment on this.
They didn't have to go far to research it. Four of the floor crew running the show had red-ringed Xbox 360s, but the presenter who does the tech segments didn't even need those. He just brought in his own flashing red-ringed Xbox 360. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on July 10, 2007, 06:16:00 PM EBstop managers and DMs are crying big emo tears over this one. "Oh Noes, they're cutting into our precious Product Replacement Plan sales!"
Again, good on MS for trying to get people to put some faith back into their products. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Endie on August 13, 2007, 03:47:54 AM Apologies for the rerail, but I wanted to join in the old thread...
I have a launch-day 360, which has never given me issues. I clean the filters as well as I can, and I mounted an intercooler, not powered off the 360 rail, on the back as soon as I heard about the rings-of-death problem. I don't use any external power-smoothing product. It sits vertically, and I suspend the power pack in mid-air by the cable. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on August 13, 2007, 07:11:59 AM How's that intercooler? Considering one as preventive medicine.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Endie on August 13, 2007, 08:08:24 AM It's not quiet, but it doesn't really compete with the 360 itself for the title of "loudest turbine whine not found on a runway". It's cheap, draws power before the 360 so doesn't add to the heat in the box unlike the USB-based coolers, and fits like a treat right out of the box. You really don't notice it's there after a few days.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on August 13, 2007, 09:04:15 AM The intercoolers have other issues, far as I can tell from online reports - like burning out and fucking up the 360 it's attached to. I question attaching any third party object to console that isn't a controller or memory card. Especially something sits between the system and power.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on August 13, 2007, 09:11:24 AM I can't see my 360 anyway. If it has a separate power line, that would be ideal. I don't want it to interface with my 360 other than moving the air. My other plan is to mount a DC fan in the rear of the cabinet the 360 sits in, which has advantages as well.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Morfiend on January 10, 2008, 02:26:28 PM My 5th Xbox just red ringed today. And this one is out of the Target 3 month warranty. I am sad, I dont want to have to wait for MS to replace it. I am considering buying a new one so I can get HDMI port and then selling the fixed one on ebay.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Viin on January 10, 2008, 03:11:15 PM If HD DVD is going away :tinfoil: then maybe you should get a PS3 anyways.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: WayAbvPar on January 10, 2008, 03:25:10 PM Are you blowing up regular 360s or Elites? Only problem I ever had with my Elite was one of the USB ports going bad after I tripped over the cord that was plugged into it...shhhh don't tell Costco. Never had a red ring.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Rasix on January 10, 2008, 03:32:01 PM Elite's still going, but I treat it like it's made out of porcelain. So far though, it's been a good way to prevent my wife from spending even MORE money on furniture. "No, dear, that has poor ventillation. Do you want the 360 to red-ring?"
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: WayAbvPar on January 10, 2008, 03:34:27 PM 4teh360!
Awesome. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on January 10, 2008, 04:58:11 PM Hell, I hate having to touch my 360 to swap discs.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: sidereal on January 10, 2008, 05:48:19 PM You swap disks?! You're begging for a RROD.
I just play Catan in 20 minute increments. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Calantus on January 10, 2008, 06:19:48 PM My brand new xbox has frozen 5 times in less than a week. Does this mean I'm fucked? Granted it's on for 16 hour stretches (either myself or my brother is playing it when I'm not sleeping because he's on holidays) at a time so that might have something to do with it. Fortunately I bought like 6 years of warrantry from the store I got it from.
Were you the same kids that used toads/frogs to play baseball with? No, that's cruel. Unless it's a cane toad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_toad#Australia) and you're a New South Welshmen holidaying in Queensland. Although, golf clubs and cricket bats are much more popular methods for toad explosion. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on January 10, 2008, 07:19:41 PM My brand new xbox has frozen 5 times in less than a week. Does this mean I'm fucked? Granted it's on for 16 hour stretches (either myself or my brother is playing it when I'm not sleeping because he's on holidays) at a time so that might have something to do with it. Fortunately I bought like 6 years of warrantry from the store I got it from. How does the exhaust feel under load? Mine is always cool to the touch. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: SnakeCharmer on January 10, 2008, 07:22:35 PM Schild has put the fear of the Xbox God into me now that mine is constantly saying "Disk is unreadable, please clean the disk and restart" or some such after about an hour of playing every single time.
I *think* I registered mine when I got it. Is there any way to know for sure? I don't even know how to access my xbox live account, I don't think. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: MrHat on January 10, 2008, 08:58:52 PM Schild has put the fear of the Xbox God into me now that mine is constantly saying "Disk is unreadable, please clean the disk and restart" or some such after about an hour of playing every single time. I *think* I registered mine when I got it. Is there any way to know for sure? I don't even know how to access my xbox live account, I don't think. Shit, mine does that too! I thought it was just like what happened w/ the PS2 a while back w/ newer games. Oh dear. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Morfiend on January 11, 2008, 12:38:15 AM I'm going to go out on a limb and say your all fucked.
If the freezes start to happen closer and closer together, your done for. That same thing happened to Xbox #2 for me. I think Disk Read Error was #4. Numbers #1, and #5 where both red rings. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: murdoc on January 11, 2008, 07:07:08 AM I'm still on my first 360 that I got in March 2006. I still have a little over two months of extended warranty and I kinda want to replace it since I worry everytime I see this thead, but don't want to lose my HD data... what to do what to do.
Thing is that I got it from Best Buy, and there replacing them with Elites. I treat mine decently, but I definitely don't take the care that some of you do. Biggest thing I think is that I have open component shelves, and it sits on its own shelf away from anything else. But that replacement Elite still calls me. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: SnakeCharmer on January 11, 2008, 07:50:14 AM I bought mine at WalMart over a year ago.
I wonder if I could just walk in and swap it out? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Morfiend on January 11, 2008, 12:31:01 PM So, as the icing to the lovely Red Ring Cake, my laptops hard drive up and died yesterday. Complete hard drive failure. So. Much. Fun.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: caladein on January 11, 2008, 01:15:32 PM Do you live next to a uranium mine or something?
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Jain Zar on January 11, 2008, 02:49:35 PM I think its just bad luck at shit working week here at F13.
My 24" iMac currently insists it has no hard drive in it and my water pressure is at half power. (Though that may be due to the mega rain storm we are under. Could be worse, could be the temp its supposed to be in New England in the middle of January and there could be a couple feet of snow..) Shit not working is annoying! Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Calantus on January 27, 2008, 10:46:56 AM My brand new xbox has frozen 5 times in less than a week. Does this mean I'm fucked? Yes, yes it does. 22 days from purchase to red ring. Fucking wonderful. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Morfiend on January 27, 2008, 01:26:25 PM My brand new xbox has frozen 5 times in less than a week. Does this mean I'm fucked? Yes, yes it does. 22 days from purchase to red ring. Fucking wonderful. Its still under 30 days. Take it back to the store for a new one, dont wait for Microsoft to replace it. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Azazel on January 27, 2008, 04:17:32 PM What's a "freeze"? I bought my 360 in late Nov but barely got a chance to play it until the end of December when I went on break. Since then I've been playing it a bit (ie, most days for an hour or four, but not every day). Yesterday I turned it on and it read the title of the disc in the drive, but when I selected the game it black-screened and needed to be powered off and on. This happened about 4 or 5 times and it was also refusing/unable to connect to live/sign me in before it started working again. It worked ok again after that.
Am I fucked already? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on January 27, 2008, 04:18:23 PM Yup.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Azazel on January 27, 2008, 04:25:56 PM Well, it's working again for the moment, so I just need to wait for it to cark it.. at least RROD has 3 years now. I guess. Fucking bullshit.
How long have I got, Doc? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: HaemishM on January 28, 2008, 11:48:48 AM Well, it's working again for the moment, so I just need to wait for it to cark it.. at least RROD has 3 years now. I guess. Fucking bullshit. How long have I got, Doc? From what I can tell as an outside observer, you've got right up until 10 minutes after you find a game you want to play so bad, you dream about it. Then it'll go tits up. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: MrHat on February 16, 2008, 11:13:39 AM Necro -
Haven't had a RROD but lately, every game I play gives me a :""This disc is unreadable"". So, I filled out a form, guess I'm shipping it off :( Next stop: Gotta get my TV repaired. Stupid Sony TV is getting some very pronounced green shade banding on the top left and bottom right corners :( All my electronics are breaking. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: cmlancas on February 16, 2008, 11:16:02 AM Shoulda bought a Samsung. <3
In all seriousness, damn, that sucks. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Brolan on February 16, 2008, 01:56:41 PM I couldn't fucking believe it but the 360 I brought back in November (to replace launch 360 I had to send in for repairs) froze up on me. It had a few problems with freezing during a game since I bought it, but this time it wouldn't run past the initial boot-up.
Thank God it was still in the 90 day return window so I could just take it back to Walmart for an exchange. This was one of the new build units and Microsoft still hasn't figured out how to make them reliable yet. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Azazel on February 16, 2008, 03:07:18 PM As someone with a decent sized game library for the thing, I certainly hope the XBox 720 or whateverthefuck is backwards-compatable with the 360. You know, so I can still play my games in a few years when there are no more 360s (since they have a lifespan of a Mayfly).
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: SnakeCharmer on February 17, 2008, 11:11:20 AM FUCK.
And, there it went. Flicker of the screen, then it powered down. RROD on 'restart'. Will MS be sending me a HDMI version back? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Azazel on February 17, 2008, 04:04:24 PM By reports I read up on before buying my DeathBox: probably not, but a tiny chance of yes.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Strazos on February 17, 2008, 05:34:46 PM You people are obviously not treating your MS-branded bricks of gold like you're supposed to. :grin:
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Jain Zar on February 18, 2008, 05:10:38 PM They will still break. I think the only reason mine still works is I don't use it much, and mostly play XBLA purchased games when I do.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Azazel on February 19, 2008, 12:47:44 AM I've barely played mine since going back to work. Gave it a run for the first time in a month over the weekend and played some Burnout Revenge and Dead Rising.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: murdoc on February 19, 2008, 06:18:26 AM I got one more month before my extended warranty with Best Buy is up. I'm still torn, do I hope it craters and I get a new one with the possibility of losing all my data, or do I just keep my fingers crossed that it survives well past it's 2 year purchase date.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on February 19, 2008, 06:40:39 AM I got one more month before my extended warranty with Best Buy is up. I'm still torn, do I hope it craters and I get a new one with the possibility of losing all my data, or do I just keep my fingers crossed that it survives well past it's 2 year purchase date. Get a memory card. And then hope that it craters. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Bunk on February 19, 2008, 07:40:19 AM Just curious, are any of the redring stories here on Elites, or all just standard boxes? Since I use my Elite for streaming, I use the shit out of it and haven't had the slightest issue with it.
Hopefully knocking on a piece of compressed wood by-product keeps me safe. I am at work and no real wood is to be found. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Signe on February 19, 2008, 09:12:58 AM Every time I read these things, I put off buying one. There are even lots of games I'd like to play on it. If it buggers up though... I'm just not good with frustration.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: SnakeCharmer on February 19, 2008, 09:13:55 AM Just curious, are any of the redring stories here on Elites, or all just standard boxes? Since I use my Elite for streaming, I use the shit out of it and haven't had the slightest issue with it. Standard box. Pro or something. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on February 19, 2008, 09:27:43 AM Put a towel around it and leave it running overnight.
With Microsoft, even fraud is fun! :ye_gods: Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Morfiend on February 19, 2008, 09:32:29 AM Every time I read these things, I put off buying one. There are even lots of games I'd like to play on it. If it buggers up though... I'm just not good with frustration. Signe, from all reports I have heard, the newer models dont RROD. It had to do with the heatsink and mobo warping with heat. But the newer ones are designed differently inside. You are missing out on a lot of good gaming. I am on my 5th 360 (My current one being the only newer version) and I am still glad I bought it. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: MrHat on February 19, 2008, 09:53:23 AM hrm, if I send it out and they give me a diff. one back, will they put my data on the new one? I only really care for XBLA games.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Morfiend on February 19, 2008, 10:03:31 AM You keep your hard drive. So no data lost.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Phildo on February 19, 2008, 11:01:42 AM Mine RRODed last week and they told me to keep the HD.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Calantus on February 19, 2008, 03:41:42 PM Just curious, are any of the redring stories here on Elites, or all just standard boxes? Since I use my Elite for streaming, I use the shit out of it and haven't had the slightest issue with it. Hopefully knocking on a piece of compressed wood by-product keeps me safe. I am at work and no real wood is to be found. Mine is an elite. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Signe on February 19, 2008, 04:26:20 PM Every time I read these things, I put off buying one. There are even lots of games I'd like to play on it. If it buggers up though... I'm just not good with frustration. Signe, from all reports I have heard, the newer models dont RROD. It had to do with the heatsink and mobo warping with heat. But the newer ones are designed differently inside. You are missing out on a lot of good gaming. I am on my 5th 360 (My current one being the only newer version) and I am still glad I bought it. OK, but if I get frustrated, I'm coming for you. (http://www.tipsyturtle.net/forum/images/smilies/new4/apache.gif) Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: MrHat on February 23, 2008, 09:41:09 AM The box came out lickity split and I sent it out yesterday.
And promptly came down with the Flu. Now I just want to lay down and play some 360. But I have none. God hates gamers. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Phildo on February 23, 2008, 10:04:58 AM Why don't you play your PS3 instead?
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Sir Fodder on February 23, 2008, 06:09:51 PM Took more than a week to get my shipping box last week, also got no confirmation email that was promised "shortly" when I put the repair request in online, made a pointless call to support that wasted a bunch more time.. grr. The guy at the UPS store was like "what the heck are these things!?", and explained that they have been getting at least 2 or 3 per day lately. I mumbled something about chips popping out due to greedy unscrupulous corporate types.
G'damn, now I'm jonesing to play some College Hoops 2K8, had just started a grand new legacy... arrgh. :cry2: Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Signe on February 23, 2008, 08:00:42 PM If I had actually run out and bought one of these thing... poor Morfiend!
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Morfiend on February 19, 2009, 06:05:01 PM DING DING DING.
Console number 6 dead. RRoD. I am going for the record. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on February 19, 2009, 06:18:20 PM Dude. Was this one a Falcon?
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: MahrinSkel on February 19, 2009, 08:50:29 PM FWIW, after sitting in the return box for a year, I got the HD sent back to me in 5 days and a replacement 360 in 7 (a year ago, the instructions didn't tell you to remove the HD before packing it). The most annoying part of the whole thing is that there were no "UPS Store" locations in Austin (the nearest location to drop it off was in Round Rock), so it sat near the door for almost a year waiting for me to have some reason to go to Round Rock, until my wife discovered one had opened a couple of miles away (in retrospect, I should have paid the $10 to have them pick it up).
It seems to work fine (but I haven't had the older boy leave it in split-screen HD Halo 3 for 10 hours to really test it out). --Dave Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Endie on February 20, 2009, 01:09:25 AM Release-day-X-Box-still-working crew checking in (and I still use it more than my Elite). You people just need to take care of your stuff. Oh, and live in an icy climate :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Velorath on February 20, 2009, 01:13:48 AM Got mine in Dec. '06 and it's still going strong. I've seen it freeze up twice in the entire time I've owned it.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on February 20, 2009, 05:36:58 AM Oh, and live in an icy climate :awesome_for_real: I'm sure this helps quite a bit. I can attribute each of the failures I have personally seen to heat in some manner, which is why I really wanted the Falcon board. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Endie on February 20, 2009, 06:10:01 AM Oh, and live in an icy climate :awesome_for_real: I'm sure this helps quite a bit. I can attribute each of the failures I have personally seen to heat in some manner, which is why I really wanted the Falcon board. Although my houses tend to be a bit warmer than the blasted heath without, in all seriousness I have used an external intercooler fan with a separate power supply since the first couple of months, when stories started coming out of the heat issues. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Rasix on February 20, 2009, 07:12:00 AM Oh, and live in an icy climate :awesome_for_real: I'm sure this helps quite a bit. I live in Tucson. I also can't remember the time I've played on my 360 for longer than 3 hours at a stretch. I also never leave a disk in the tray, but this is just OCD born from paranoia. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on February 20, 2009, 04:01:51 PM I am much more cavalier about my 360's health, preferring not to treat it like a fragile miscarriage of engineering. So far, so good. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Morfiend on February 20, 2009, 08:51:34 PM I am much more cavalier about my 360's health, preferring not to treat it like a fragile miscarriage of engineering. So far, so good. :awesome_for_real: Me too. I'm going to use it for all its worth, and if it RRoD (as it does) I'll have MS fix it under warranty. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Brolan on February 21, 2009, 04:48:36 PM My launch 360 died for the second time a few weeks ago. The first time the video section went out, this time it was the RRoD.
Since it is over three years old no more warranty applies. Rather than spend $94 bucks on repairing a defective design I bought an Arcade version with the Jasper shipset in Walmart for $199. I notice it runs cooler now, and I hope this is the last 360 I need to buy. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Bunk on February 23, 2009, 06:36:53 AM Still running the same Elite I bought just after they launched. I did have to repair the dvd drive in it once, but otherwise its still stable. I run it standing up right, on top of the stand, so there's no airflow restrictions around it at all.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: PalmTrees on February 27, 2009, 02:22:30 PM I haven't gotten a rrod, but Fables 2 killed my xbox's video. Video degraded until there was no output at all. It's has an '06 manufacturing date. Disappointed in the quality, my ps2 is older than my xbox, has been used more, and has never had a problem.
Got the console repaired but now I'm getting Fables 2's freeze bug that Lionhead can't reproduce so don't expect a patch, lol game is cursed for me. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: FatuousTwat on February 27, 2009, 05:20:52 PM I have a 1st generation, and it is still running like a champ. The first one I bought had the RROD right out of the box though.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: fatboy on March 18, 2009, 06:33:08 AM Mine just died last night. One flashing light and an E 74 code.
I purchased the unit on March 8, 2008, so it is all of 9 days out of warranty -- figures. Microsoft says that I have to pay for the fix since it is only 1 light and not the 2 light RRoD. Whatever -- it's still a fucking hardware failure. I can't believe they won't fix it for free. I found some places online that will fix it for far less than Microsoft, but I fear I might be "getting what I pay for." Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on March 18, 2009, 06:34:08 AM Smells like PS3 time.
Also, the RRoD is 3 rings. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on March 18, 2009, 06:36:19 AM This is why I bought the Target extended warranty. Wal*Mart also has one. Cheaper than a game and odds are in favor of you needing it.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Hindenburg on March 18, 2009, 07:01:36 AM Mine just died last night. One flashing light and an E 74 code. Microsoft says that I have to pay for the fix since it is only 1 light and not the 2 light RRoD Why don't you make it RROD? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Yegolev on March 18, 2009, 07:11:24 AM Why don't you make it RROD? Actually that's not bad advice. Wrap it in a blanket and play Fable 2 until either the 360 or you die. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Cyrrex on March 18, 2009, 07:50:59 AM Smokey the Bear would not approve of this latest twist to the thread :pedobear:
That's what I'd do, though. Keep the extinguisher handy. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Hindenburg on March 18, 2009, 07:51:50 AM It's quite a common alternative. Never heard of any xb2 bursting into flames from it.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Cyrrex on March 18, 2009, 07:55:39 AM Nor have I, but still...you are ultimately taking action to melt the innards of your machine. Not inherently safe, and whatnot.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: sidereal on March 18, 2009, 07:57:15 AM Smells like PS3 time. Also, the RRoD is 3 rings. Actually, it's 3/4 of 1 ring. Overheating hardware is no less safe than roasting marshmallows over a campfire. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on March 18, 2009, 07:58:19 AM Well.
Once you've called with another problem, they have you on file for that. Forcing a red ring won't get anything fixed but the GPU stuff, which still won't fix the console. You're screwed. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Cyrrex on March 18, 2009, 08:01:16 AM Overheating hardware is no less safe than roasting marshmallows over a campfire. ...and the best marshmallows are the ones that catch fire for just a brief few seconds. But yeah. Well. Once you've called with another problem, they have you on file for that. Forcing a red ring won't get anything fixed but the GPU stuff, which still won't fix the console. You're screwed. You have a point about it being on file. But there are rumors that they simply power on your machine to confirm RROD, and then simply swap your machine with another that they've refurbished...so they may not discover any other flaws. I don't know if this is true or not, as I didn't check the serial numbers on mine when I had my RROD experience. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on March 18, 2009, 08:01:36 AM They flat out won't accept it back.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Cyrrex on March 18, 2009, 08:02:57 AM I'll take your word for it. I never called anyone, so I don't know whether or not they take your vitals before answering your questions.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: sidereal on March 18, 2009, 08:04:01 AM Mine was completely replaced.
If you tell them you made a mistake and miscounted the number of lights, they'll probably roll over. Nobody likes class action lawsuits. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Hindenburg on March 18, 2009, 08:08:37 AM Might as well give it a shot. Call them and order the coffin before doing the deed.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on March 18, 2009, 11:12:15 AM I feel the need to point out that in EU the PS3 should be dropping 99euro and in the US $99 on March 22nd. So, $300 80GB PS3s. $299.99 is supposedly the magic number for "winning." We'll see if it's true though.
Edit: The alternative is that the Target leak comes true, which would be a shame. Because that bundle sucks for the price. Not because the games are bad (they aren't) but because price drop is more important. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: fatboy on March 18, 2009, 11:19:34 AM Thanks to all who replied and advice therein.
1) I can't "play Fable 2 til I get the true RRoD" because of the E 74 code -- the unit is unplayable. 2) Buying an PS 3 is out of the question at this time because of the huge amount of 360 games I have (played and unplayed). 3) It sounds like repair is the only option to me....although I do plan on pitching a fit after I get home from work with MS Support and maybe I'll get lucky and get someplace. The question is to have MS repair it, or one of these other people who charge a lot less plus still have a warranty and are reputable. Of course.....I could always go get that pick up that new Red Elite box..... :drill: Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Hindenburg on March 18, 2009, 11:26:47 AM You don't need to play. Just turn the thing on and cover it with a blanket. It'll rrod eventually.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: sidereal on March 18, 2009, 11:39:15 AM I feel the need to point out that in EU the PS3 should be dropping 99euro and in the US $99 on March 22nd. So, $300 80GB PS3s. $299.99 is supposedly the magic number for "winning." We'll see if it's true though. Edit: The alternative is that the Target leak comes true, which would be a shame. Because that bundle sucks for the price. Not because the games are bad (they aren't) but because price drop is more important. Really not the thread for this, but what's the status of PS2 compatibility? I know there was some kind of early hardware compat, then none, then software, then maybe something else and I went all :uhrr:. I just want to know what percentage of my PS2 games will run on a PS3. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on March 18, 2009, 11:44:37 AM Quote I just want to know what percentage of my PS2 games will run on a PS3. Somewhere between 0% and sometime maybe never. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Azazel on March 19, 2009, 01:04:30 AM 'till that, or say, a AU$3-400 price drop happens, Sony can eat my arsehole.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: IainC on March 19, 2009, 01:13:29 AM Quote I just want to know what percentage of my PS2 games will run on a PS3. Somewhere between 0% and sometime maybe never. If you're in Europe 0% of PS2 games will run on a PS3. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: MisterNoisy on March 19, 2009, 12:06:03 PM I feel the need to point out that in EU the PS3 should be dropping 99euro and in the US $99 on March 22nd. So, $300 80GB PS3s. $299.99 is supposedly the magic number for "winning." We'll see if it's true though. Edit: The alternative is that the Target leak comes true, which would be a shame. Because that bundle sucks for the price. Not because the games are bad (they aren't) but because price drop is more important. Looks like the Target rumor is true (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/03/ps3-greatest-hits-bundle-limited-to-target-sony-confirms.ars), though it doesn't necessarily preclude an actual price drop. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Leathersoup on March 21, 2009, 09:36:55 PM I've never had an Xbox red ring...
...however I did have a release 360. Owned it for almost 3 years worry free. With the three year mark coming up I didn't want to take a chance so I traded it in and picked up an elite. I somehow thought this was clever as I'd get to take advantage of the game installs using the 120GB drive. Funny thing. I had my first Elite for 4 months when it stopped recognizing discs. No problems, I returned it and received a brand spanking new Elite as a replacement... which I had for a total of 4 months when for some inexplicable reason it stopped recognizing discs. I am now on my fourth Xbox. I've never gotten one red ring of death but I have experienced my fair share of shoddy craftsmanship. Go Team! Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Azazel on March 22, 2009, 12:52:46 AM I feel the need to point out that in EU the PS3 should be dropping 99euro and in the US $99 on March 22nd. So, $300 80GB PS3s. $299.99 is supposedly the magic number for "winning." We'll see if it's true though. Edit: The alternative is that the Target leak comes true, which would be a shame. Because that bundle sucks for the price. Not because the games are bad (they aren't) but because price drop is more important. Looks like the Target rumor is true (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/03/ps3-greatest-hits-bundle-limited-to-target-sony-confirms.ars), though it doesn't necessarily preclude an actual price drop. They're very keen on keeping the initial price very high. Last time there was a notable "relaunch", they simply upgraded the HDD size, and kept the price up. Though there's been plenty of local (.au) software bundles that shit on that Target one. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Bunk on March 22, 2009, 11:34:36 AM No problems, I returned it and received a brand spanking new Elite as a replacement... which I had for a total of 4 months when for some inexplicable reason it stopped recognizing discs. I am now on my fourth Xbox. I've never gotten one red ring of death but I have experienced my fair share of shoddy craftsmanship. Go Team! Was it making loud grindy noises as the disc spun up, and would then fail to read it? If so, you likely had the "grommet issue": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_xSsNmjqKI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_xSsNmjqKI) Fix was easy once I figured out how to get the damn box open. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: fatboy on April 01, 2009, 08:08:27 AM So I called MS back, and convinced them to fix it for free. (READ: Lied and told them I had 3 red lights).
Sent it in, they fixed in ONE DAY and got it back last night. Total Turnaround time from broke to fix was less than 2 weeks. It works like a champ so far...... Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Morfiend on April 01, 2009, 10:32:34 AM I got my fixed (read new) console yesterday. Didnt have time to do anything except plug it in and set it up. It looks nice and new. Oh yeah, they also gave me a 1 month Xbox Live card.
Maybe Xbox number 7 will be the magic one? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: fuser on April 01, 2009, 12:29:57 PM I got my fixed (read new) console yesterday. Did you get a jasper (http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3472&p=2)? Two friends have had RROD xbox's replaced in the new year. One got a Zepher, the other got a Jasper. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Morfiend on April 01, 2009, 01:21:57 PM I got my fixed (read new) console yesterday. Did you get a jasper (http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3472&p=2)? Two friends have had RROD xbox's replaced in the new year. One got a Zepher, the other got a Jasper. I didnt even think to check. I will check when I get home. If I read the article correctly, I need to look for the 12v power rail. 12,1 is what I am hoping for. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Morfiend on April 01, 2009, 05:19:03 PM Weak. I got a Zepher. That mean I am in for another RROD? Wonder if I should wrap it in a bath towel and see if I can force it.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on April 01, 2009, 05:19:30 PM Weak. I got a Zepher. That mean I am in for another RROD? Yes. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: MuffinMan on April 07, 2009, 11:25:11 PM Allright, after 2 years and 3 months my 360 red ringed. I purchased the 3 year extended warranty from Target so I have a choice to either send it to whoever does their warranties or send it to Microsoft. Which one should I do? I'm leaning towards Target since I know retail warranties usually just send you a gift card for the store, right? I could then get a brand new box, 60gb instead of 20gb, HDMI and since the price has gone down $60 I could pick up a game too. Has anyone had experiences with the Target warranties with consoles?
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on April 07, 2009, 11:25:51 PM Find out if they give you a new one. If they don't, may as well play the Microsoft lottery.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Morfiend on April 08, 2009, 09:16:31 AM You should be able to just take it to Target and have them switch it on the spot for a new one. I did that for 3 of mine.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: fatboy on April 14, 2009, 05:55:28 AM Looks like Microsoft caved and is now offering 3 year warranties for E 74 codes too.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/xbox-360s-class-leading-warranty-extended-again-to-cover-e74-er/ Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: vex on April 14, 2009, 06:40:20 AM Looks like Microsoft caved and is now offering 3 year warranties for E 74 codes too. Wow, my 2.5 year old 360 died with the E74 error last week. I had originally thought I purchased a one year extended warranty and had almost trashed it but on a whim I checked online to see what the repair cost would be and it showed it covered. I assumed I had bought a two year and misremembered but now I'm not sure. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Moaner on April 14, 2009, 09:10:21 AM Looks like Microsoft caved and is now offering 3 year warranties for E 74 codes too. http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/xbox-360s-class-leading-warranty-extended-again-to-cover-e74-er/ Awesome, I'll send mine next week. It'll be nice to have a 360 again. There was no way I was paying for it to be fixed considering the reliability issues. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Morfiend on May 15, 2009, 11:26:48 AM So, I am still trying to decide what to do about my Xbox. I am pissed I got a Zypher, and I just know its going to RRoD again. I just don't know how much warranty I have left on the thing. I am considering forcing a RRoD, but i am afraid that my warranty might already be out. Does anyone know the full warranty details for RRoD, and if you get any sort of new warranty after the 30 days? If you are out of the 3 years from initial purchase date.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Dion on May 15, 2009, 01:19:53 PM I had mine since launch and just sold it a month ago and the only problem I had was that it would overheat from time to time. Surprisingly awesome!
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: FatuousTwat on May 15, 2009, 03:47:13 PM I've had mine since a few months after launch... It will play a game for about 10 minutes, then lock up, but it's fine for hours after that.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Azazel on May 15, 2009, 07:05:17 PM Looks like Microsoft caved and is now offering 3 year warranties for E 74 codes too. http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/xbox-360s-class-leading-warranty-extended-again-to-cover-e74-er/ That's what mine had. Must have been in the final days of it's 1-year warranty, too, since they fixed it for free. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: SnakeCharmer on July 26, 2009, 02:41:28 PM 2nd 360 RROD'd today.
Fun happy time! At least it's still covered. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Montague on July 29, 2009, 02:07:13 PM 2nd 360 RROD'd today. Fun happy time! At least it's still covered. Ours RROD'd right before leaving for Comicon. The wife used it to watch a True Blood marathon. :mob: Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Khaldun on August 22, 2009, 01:35:13 PM Just RROD'd yesterday on an almost 2-year old Elite that got fairly heavy play in its life. For the first time ever in my earthly existence, I'd bought a replacement plan from Best Buy when I got the machine (I wouldn't have chosen to get it from there, but an uninformed family member gave me a pretty sizeable gift certificate to BB). BB doesn't stock the Elite any longer. So after putting me through all sorts of bullshit about returning all of the components in the original Elite box including the crap headset which I haven't used since I bought it, they then proceeded to run around like chickens with their heads cut off when I didn't just accept the Pro and walk out of the store. First it was just going to be "here you go, it's an XBox replacement, cya, sorry it doesn't have all the stuff your original machine did". Then they were, "Oh, you have store credit for the full price of the Elite, did we mention that? Don't know how we forgot. So go get yourself a 120gb drive too!" I ahem'ed and they were like, "Oh, the HDMI cable? You'll have to buy that too with store credit, and you know what, the price of the Elite doesn't quite cover all three of those things when you buy them a la carte" I was like, whatever fuckers, last time I buy anything from you anyway, here's your $40.00 and see you, at least I end up with a backup 60GB drive out of the deal. Thank god the fucking machine RROD'd with about 3 weeks left to go in the original replacement plan, close call.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: IainC on August 22, 2009, 02:27:31 PM Just RROD'd yesterday on an almost 2-year old Elite that got fairly heavy play in its life. For the first time ever in my earthly existence, I'd bought a replacement plan from Best Buy when I got the machine (I wouldn't have chosen to get it from there, but an uninformed family member gave me a pretty sizeable gift certificate to BB). BB doesn't stock the Elite any longer. So after putting me through all sorts of bullshit about returning all of the components in the original Elite box including the crap headset which I haven't used since I bought it, they then proceeded to run around like chickens with their heads cut off when I didn't just accept the Pro and walk out of the store. First it was just going to be "here you go, it's an XBox replacement, cya, sorry it doesn't have all the stuff your original machine did". Then they were, "Oh, you have store credit for the full price of the Elite, did we mention that? Don't know how we forgot. So go get yourself a 120gb drive too!" I ahem'ed and they were like, "Oh, the HDMI cable? You'll have to buy that too with store credit, and you know what, the price of the Elite doesn't quite cover all three of those things when you buy them a la carte" I was like, whatever fuckers, last time I buy anything from you anyway, here's your $40.00 and see you, at least I end up with a backup 60GB drive out of the deal. Thank god the fucking machine RROD'd with about 3 weeks left to go in the original replacement plan, close call. You could have just called MS and had them send you a box. You'd have a new Elite within a week or so. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Khaldun on August 22, 2009, 02:50:19 PM Thought that was just one year extension. Anyhoo, the aim of taking out a replacement was to leapfrog to a new machine coming from a point where RROD occurance had gone down, since I was buying right at the point where there was a lot of debate about whether a fix had been implemented, etc.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Azazel on August 22, 2009, 05:53:47 PM 3 years on RROD from Microsoft.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Khaldun on August 22, 2009, 08:47:11 PM Ah well. I obviously didn't get things straight back when I bought. S'ok, all is back to console normalcy now anyhoo.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Endie on August 23, 2009, 03:22:36 PM I don't know why you people can't just take care of your stuff. Frankly you shouldn't be allowed to have nice things.
Yes, launch day X-Box (and later Elite used as media extender) still going strong. Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Rasix on August 23, 2009, 03:23:27 PM Mine's still running (Elite) strong. Helps that I rarely turn it on. :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: schild on August 24, 2009, 12:12:23 AM Mine's still running (Elite) strong. Helps that I rarely turn it on. :why_so_serious: Mine may very well have died in the last 6 months. Would not actually know. The last game played on it was what? Tales of Vesperia or Fable 2? Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: jakonovski on August 24, 2009, 01:37:58 AM I bought mine in August 2007, it red ringed on the release day of Mass Effect, 20 minutes after I'd loaded the game up.
Title: Re: My Xbox red ringed... Has yours? Post by: Endie on August 24, 2009, 05:08:54 AM While I fitted an aftermarket fan with separate power-source to mine, I'm pretty sure that living in a cold country is a bigger part of it.
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