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Fort Aspenwood is a strong server but the WvW queues are substantial.

Seems like the choice is balancing WWW queues vs PvE density to trigger better events.

My small but primary guild is likely going to be on Sorrow's Furnace.

I have to say that I was impressed by how smoothly the game ran even in the middle of a zerg pounding away on a heavily defended keep.  The biggest problem I had was losing track of my character in all the clutter.  I plan on wearing some hideously loud die dye schemes when this game goes live.  

May your enemie's dye a thousand death's.

I thought the WvWvW queues were just a bug?  There shouldn't even be such a thing at release should there?

I am playing GW2 entirely for the pvp.  My vote is for any server with instant pvp queues. 

Alternatively, let someone choose the server and make the guild that won't be gone in a month.

I hate when I do that.

PVP or WvW?

As I understand it, PVP is serverless, so there is no server with faster or slower queues. WvW is server based, but it's queue is for overpopulation.

Queues that never finish were the bug. Queues and zone population cap were always in the WvW design.  They have said they will try to raise the cap to high as the servers can handle.

I think my small group of friends are planning on playing on Tarnished Coast. Its the unofficial RP server. Seems to have a fantastic community, they are good at WvW (have a very good record from all the betas) and so far not a single uber guild. Wins all around. Also, general chat was very pleasant.

List of guilds by server (http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/32389-world-choice-guilds-and-communities/)

I believe there are two queues for an overcrowded server. First the world queue, where you get put in the overflow. You can still PVE but not WvW. After you get in the actual server, you can then attempt to join WvW with also has a cap, and will queue you if its full.

I could be wrong about this, but thats what I had been led to believe.

That's right.  We had tons of WvW queues last weekend on FAW. Even better you could spam f at a gate to by pass it.  It was a mess.  Yah for beta!

Personally I think making the decision to switch servers based on known bugs in the wvwvw queueing system and an oversold beta weekend is pretty retarded.

My small guild of friends will probably roll on whatever server BC does.

Same with my guild -- I'll try to match our server choice with BC's, if possible.

Fixing the bugs in WvW queues isn't going to change the fact that FAW has a massive population. Given its success with WvW and it's Penny Arcades home server, it will continue to get bigger. Also we could run into a situation like BWE2 where people locked out of making characters all together on FAW.

The only reason to stay I can think of is we want to take a shot at the top level, serious business, run with big dogs RvR. But given this poll and peoples behavior in game it just doesn't seem like we are interested.

I think if you expect the server to ccntinue growing much after initial release you're delusional. Other than expansions the first few weeks will be the peak for population. Especially for a game with no subscription.

I think you guys should come join us on Tarnished Coast.

Feel free to actually contribute to the conversation and actually tell us why its so important to stay on FAW.

It's not so much FAW as it is picking some low pop ghetto that has me upset.
But I can always guest over from a better server I suppose.

I think Taz would like to know what constitues the "better server" part of your post.

If I learned one thing from DAOC it is that RVR type activity sucks ass on a low pop server.

Even when its 3 low pop servers fighting it each other?

Yeah, even if the numbers are the same there's still just less going on, and there's FAR FAR more opportunity for exclusion based on spec prejudice or whatever. When I play this eventually I'm going to pick the biggest, zergiest server I can.

My buddies and I are going to be joining Fist of the Empire.  They are saying they are gonna field about 100-150 ppl already for WvW.  Not sure what server they are headed to yet though.  I also know Team Legacy is going to another huge guild to look for.  Best thing to do is find one of these huge pvp guilds and hit the same server as them.

Plus low population servers might be more vulnerable to a situation where one low pop server has a relatively high percentage of devoted PvPers matched with a server with the same overall population but of mostly PvEers matched with another server with a similar overall population of 'fair weather' casual PvPers.

On larger population servers there should be enough unwashed masses to make that scenario less of an issue, but at least early on in the life of the game it could be an issue on the low pop servers.

Being so bad ass that you are matched against worlds in a higher weight class sounds like positive not a negative to me.

My advice...
Go where the Aussies go.

Well the one we are on seems fine to me.

And from a PVE perspective, a dead server is also hell. At least you can guest elsewhere though

Argh, don't ever pick a low-population server.  I've seen it happen too many times -- after the initial rush, and once people bounce around to different servers to join friends, you risk being left on a low-activity server, which is just no fun.

We don't have to pick between the two extremes, there's a happy medium between "barren wasteland" and "long ass pvp queues".

Just stay with Fort Aspenwood unless someone comes up with a better choice for a server.

Why does it take so long for the fact that long ass pvp queuse were because of a  bug to sink in?

At this point, I am leaning to Tarnished Coast. It looks like it a sizable population with a third being rp guilds.  Less queues, less assholes (besides us) and plenty of people to do Dynamic Events with.

Ok well to simply things, having a queue at all is bad if we can go to a server without queues i am all for that.

No queue at all (at any time) means that there aren't (even close to) a maximum amount of players for the wvwvw on the server. Sucks if there are on the other sides.

In ELO we trust.

Ya but at least it costs half as much to transfer off a crowded server to a light one than the other way around.
BTW I thought Shild said he'd be running BC in this game. (For the 2 weeks he plays)

I was hoping Sky will do it.

 :drillf:

Having a GL on different server with no interest in actually leading doesn't like a great idea.  Maybe Nerf's dog could be our leader.

I'd have to agree.  Unless y'all go to my server, in which case odds pick up a bit.

Do we really have enough people to make a go of having a guild?

We had 2 dozen people at one point. We could easily double that live.

I don't think there is a practical "if you don't have X amount of people you can't Y" that requires the guild to be a certain size.

Not to mention this seems to be the single best implementation of guilding for f13 ever, because if someone actually plays more than 2 weeks they are in their friend's guild. Being able to represent f13 without a hassle and cross-server pve should be pretty awesome.

Hey Bat Country -- f13...

As you can see I'm new around these parts, but may I offer a suggestion for your guilds location: Blackgate (US)

At first glance you may say, hey.. there is hardly anyone on that server according to the guild homeworld lists. But speaking as a BLACKGATE insider, and conspirator --
I can comfortably say it will be a competitive US WvW server. Not to mention a lower populated server will provide a better latency experience;) ha. anyways.


Avoiding babble --- resources:

www.tinfoil-hat.org (http://www.tinfoil-hat.org) -- Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy (my guild, focusing on drunken WvW griefing / sPvP tourney style and of course end-game content/progression
www.epicguildwars2.com (http://www.epicguildwars2.com) -- EPIC -- Highly focused on WvW with an international communtiy of 1,000+ -- we are actively in contact with them to make sure there are 24/7 WvW squads dedicated to keeping blackgate on top!
GG - Good Game
KO - Team KnockOut

and so many more are starting to surface, please reconsider your idea and think about Blackgate.

Please note, I'm not here to shamelessly plug these websites, even my own. I just want to extend an invitation to the Blackgate (US) community! If you need any assistance with creating a guild website for your guild I'd be more than happy to help you out. Any questions or comments.. please post.

Thanks for your time!

This game is looking up for f13!

Hurrah, the guild website that we so desperately need!   :oh_i_see:


Anyhow yeah, every server's going to lose half its population in a month, so don't go picking from the bottom of the barrel on release or you'll wind up in a wasteland in under eight weeks.  But do try to avoid a server that's going to be home for a huge self-sustaining community like SA, reddit, or 4ch.  There'll be more than enough people in those guilds to keep the WvW queued up entirely on their own, even months down the road.

I don't particularly want to lead the guild here due to my involvement in competitive Magic, but myself and the other will be playing pretty heavily.

Since I have decided to play, I will volunteer. I know nothing about the game, which should only enhance my leadership  :awesome_for_real:

WAP for Guild Leader!

Believe me, you don't want me running the guild. I will disappear 3 weeks in- NHL and FIFA yearly updates hit in September!

Which would be different from every other incarnation of Bat Country how... ?  :why_so_serious:

You have a point.  :awesome_for_real:

The Guild Leader is going to be whomever gets fed up with not having a BC, and makes it themselves, first. ;D

Can I be a guild leader and still play with another guild primarily?  :awesome_for_real: I am going to run with the goons on Maguuma.

Yes.  You can be a member of multiple guilds.  Whichever one you represent at the time is what gets credit for guild-thingies and which chat channel you use.  (Although a lot of people are asking to let us have multiple guild channels.  Eventually I expect it to be an option.)

So what is the official decision on Bat Country's server for live? I broke down and preordered. There were a lot of things about this game I thought were only so-so but they did enough I decided to give it a chance and since I'm not out a sub fee I figured what the hell.

The actual decision is:  Undecided.

Lantyssa:  Sorrow's Furnace

Tazelbain:  leaning towards Tarnished Coast

PvP-lovers:  elsewhere

Everyone else:  ???

No biggy. GW2 will be my "I don't want to play Secret World or Lotro today" game anyway. I'll try to keep an eye on things. No one I know outside of f13 is playing the game except my wife which is why I asked.

Maguuma. Play along side the goons instead of against them.

It'll probably be pretty easy to move servers I'm guessing?

The only difference a server picks is who you WvW with.

Everything else is cross-server.

Guild bonuses are not cross server either is my understanding. So you probably want to be on the server your guild is on.

As easy as paying them a fee.

Who are the goons?

a wretched hive of scum and villainy

I am ok with that. If there was a monthly with this game, then probably not.

Does the official guild leader of Bat Country actually DO anything other than make the guild?

Assign where the points are allocated.  It may be possible to give others permission for that, though.  If so, it's mostly a ceremonial head and point of contact.

Plan out the guild perks, invite people, keep guild chat from melting down, choose the emblems(which suck).  Its a shit job, no doubt.  Server selection will be the biggest decision which is why I kicked off the discussion early.

Really all I give a shit about is WvWing with f13ers.  Going to any of the big name WvW Servers is going to mean big queues and lock outs making it hard to RVR together.  So any server but GoM,CD,FA,DH is good with me.  SoS would also be out since it is going to packed with Oceanic players.  

EvE BC has ties to Goons.  I have no problem choosing their server.

SoS with Oceanics? Think of the latencies!!  :grin:

Take crap from everyone.  When leading a guild that's doomed to break up rather early and do nothing but disappoint, you have to listen to a lot of griping.  The Rift experience was kind of interesting.   

Not sure I'd want to go to a server hosting a huge population from some giant internet establishment, but, whatever, I'm flexible.

Yeah, I'm not really wanting to be anywhere any of the super zerg guilds are.  I'd rather be able to actually get int WvWvW without a queue.  I'm also not a fan of the huge crowds I was seeing at events when I was on Fort Aspenwood.  Seemed like things were getting hard to complete either due to difficulty or too many people after too few resources.   I'm only going to use the bat country server as a suggestion though, since I've got other people I need to get on the same server with also.

Since my WoT clan is way more interested in Mechwarrior than this, BC will likely be main guild for launch.  While I don't want to be on one of the main zerg servers I hope we end up somewhere with a decentish population so I can find a guild to hang out with when BC turns into a ghost town.

Large but not superguild seems like it would be a good idea. Heck, even that random server the mole on the last page was shilling might be worth looking into if there's actually a concerted community effort to get dedicated players there.

You can give permissions for that for sure, the server selection will be the biggest PitA as no matter what is chosen, someone will complain.

I'd head it up, but my playtime makes Sky look like a powergamer  :drill:

I think the sweet spot for server selection is: "Avoiding the super zerg guilds (Reddit Test / 4chan / goons), but with a good stable of  other guilds, especially WvW guilds."

But if it was a choice between random nothing and random zerged server, I'd choose the zerg any day. The odds are pretty good that past launch month, zones will drop in population dramatically. So not too crowded can quickly become barren.

^^^^ This. I'm thinking being on the #4 or #5 server could be the ideal place to be.

My RL friend want's to join friends in a guild on Gates of Madness which sounds like it fits the bill fine. No large message board guilds but a lot of interest appearantly.
http://www.gw2guilds.org/guilds/us/gate-of-madness

See the power of the bandwagon...

I'd suggest just picking any server. Within a month or two, people will be shifted to where they want to be anyway - even if they have to pay to transfer. And really, those that pay to transfer will most likely be sticking with the game whereas the rest will fall out or only dabble for the ha ha's.

Are guilds server specific?  Do I earn guild points if I'm on a different server (as guest or permanent transfer) and if I'm in a guild with a bank and all the other snazzy perks, do I have access to them only on the server the guild was started on or are they accessible from any server?

Guilds are not server specific, at least for the chat channel.  I unfortunately did zero testing on if any of the guild perks work cross server.  I have a sneaking suspicion they don't, but given that the auction house is global, it's not impossible.

Is there a split between US & EU regions? Does guild chat work between EU/US if it is not server specific?

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/49312-switching-servers-at-no-cost-on-release/

So you know, we'll have to keep a close eye on when that window ends, but it is not the end of the world if we pick poorly.

That's...

Pretty smart. Unless you miss the memo and don't move with the rest of your guild, but that's more of a social problem than a technical one.

Taz mentioned my thought, it worked ok in Eve...
I'm torn on this one. I wish I hadn't pre-ordered, as I like the game but I'll be in mini painting mode when it releases. The no-sub part is cool, but yeah, imagine me with drastically less play-time than I already put in, heh. It'll take me a year to get my box cost out of it!

Maguuma looks empty except for the Goons.
Tarnashed Coast look like it will have a large amount of small guilds.

I say Maguunma and force Way to be the leader. Personally I find Goons amusing and fun allies to have. I know Goons are a mega guild but doubt they can fill up a whole server by themselves.

Famous last words.

Oh ye of little faith. (taz) Of course they can.

Maybe if they all leave EvE for GW2... which would be hilarious.

Well the game is a week away something needs to be decided.

Except server transfers will be free for at least a short while so something can be settled on later.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/a-world-of-choice-the-regions-of-guild-wars-2/

Notes on server selection, world regions, and an important side note that guesting will not be in at launch.  If you want to play with people from other guilds, for the time being, you need to wrangle them all onto the same server.  This is a pretty big pain point for me *shakes fist at all you filthy euros*

Well then.  Join me or not.  My guild of three has at least made a decision. :-P

I'll be on Sorrow's Furnace.

Ya most of the posts I see saying to avoid the goons come from people who played against them in Eve I think. Because really you can't have a better ally on your side than Goons in Eve and a tiny bit of reading or talking to their allies will back that up. Goon allies get lavished with perks, unlike traditional Alliances in Eve who get totally exploited by their allies. Case in point, Spacemonkey's Alliance. Anyone else taking over the space they occupied would probably have booted them out very quickly but Goons encouraged them to build up and get stronger, helping them with cash and tech moons.

Anyway, my point is take anything you hear about the goons from a former enemy with a grain of salt.

From another angle: why /wouldn't/ we want to be on the goon's server?

Ya their reputation might keep the server population down heh.

And it should only affect wvw since everything else should be fine with overflow shards (hopefully)

Well right, but since WvW is the only thing really affected by server population, it should really be the only factor you're counting in when deciding on a server.

I'm sure goons will find new and creative ways of griefing their realm mates which is why I'd never touch their server with a 100' pole.

Goons are such notorious griefers because griefing is specifically sanctioned in EvE.

I seem to remember goons had a reputation for griefing before Eve.

Goons are huge.  Some are swell guys.  Some aren't.  You'll have a sub-section that gets tremendously bored without someone to grief.  That'll end up being anyone without the GOON tag, which there won't be a lot of on their server.  That'll potentially put a huge target on your head.

I haven't played the game, so I have no idea- what are the options for non-consensual PvP other than WvW? I would be willing to bet most of the Goon effort will be outward at WvW opponents.

One possible griefing avenue would be hanging around making events harder while not participating in them.

That sounds incredibly boring.

yup, in WvW you could build a bunch of battering rams up on the walls of a keep which would simultaneously block the building of useful siege engines and use up supplies needed to build useful stuff.  It's a stretch that they'd do that but I've learned never to underestimate the power of boredom to turn people in a multi-player game into fuckwads.  I will say that I haven't seen any more ass hattery from any of the members of goon affiliated guilds in WoT than that displayed by the rest of players.  

On Mal'ganis in WoW, goons held Flight Masters 'hostage' by kiting them well away from their spawn point but never letting them die.  That sounds boring too, but they did it anyway.

So I dug up some info on guilds, since someone asked a while back and I was curious myself.  Guild perks are server specific, even if the guild itself is multi-server.  Every instance of the guild on every different server has it's own pool of influence points, it's own build queue, and it's own perks.  So it means play on the same server with the people you plan to spend the most time with.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Influence

So does shutting down Jita in 12 hour shifts.

Sounds awesome, makes me like them more.

I'm gonna be playing on Northern Shiverpeaks.  If you are looking for a server that will have a strong WvW presence this may be for you.  I'll be playing with FoE but Team Legacy is also going to be on this server.

I have no problem playing with the goons. Actually I think I support this idea. I highly doubt there will be much griefing * and if it gets out of hand we can switch servers anyway.

edit: *by the goons

You are so cute.

:heart:

I specified my expecations.

I know them from Eve and from Wow and they only influenced those games time in a good way (from my point of view).

If I do end ip buying it I will probably end up with the people I played Aion with before I quit. They are playing on Black(something).

I wouldn't expect playing with Goons to be OH GOD SO TERRIBLE or anything, I just think that being the scrappy underdog server could be more interesting depending on how quickly "scrappy underdog" turns into "desolate wasteland."

edit: but I'm not well-versed in things RvR so deferring to the EvE players' experience makes a lot of sense too.

Scrappy underdog (meaning less people and less interest) just leads too often into mindless zergs that are not that much fun against organized opponents. Playing alongside larger guilds or alliances usually means some direction even to the "unwashed masses" playing on the same side. The servers with no large guilds or alliances will get totally wiped by ones that do until server ladder for the wvw has adjusted itself enough.

What Satael said.

I just came across this, too... and it's actually kind of a big deal for my guild, since we're spread across 3 continents and 6-7 timezones... and as we are kinda smallish, we will need all the influence we can get. I am not sure how 'guesting' will work with this, specifically whether it'll allow our Euro members to guest on an EU server when soloing / when everyone on the US servers is asleep (or SPVP, if switching to an EU lobby gives you EU games with better ping). Guess we have to account for a 'best case' and 'worst case' scenario. :oh_i_see:

e: to summarize, the main question is - if all of the guild members have server A as their home server, but some occasionally guest on servers B, C, and D, does the 'chapter' on server A still get their influence or does it end up sorta-wasted on B/C/D?

This is the way it works from everything I've read.

Pretty sure all points go to the Home server.  Guesting should not change that.

Which means that the people on the remote servers get nothing, since they don't get the perks from the home server? That seems unlikely to be how it works.  :headscratch:

They get to play on a different server? that's already way beyond what you can do on any other game.

Unless you count The Secret World.  If you do, then in fact you can do that in another game.

So, am I understanding this right? BC still doesn't know what server it's going to be on?

Would you expect any different?

We should have a massive keg brawl tournament, winner gets to choose server and then be overruled by Schild.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Influence

As far as I can tell, the only guild limitation is that you can only play WvW on your server. You can rep BC for another WvW server, and gain either benefits, or even take keeps/fortifications. But you know, if we're all spread out, that's unlikely.

The points just all go to the guild. They're not really associated with a server.

Huh?  Straight from the wiki page you linked:


That seems to say that each guild has a separater influence pool per server (although the nationality of the players seems superfluous and makes this confusing).

I fail at reading comprehension. :(

That hurts, man.

Yah, I tried democracy once.  Didn't go so well. 

Well I have decided I will be making Bat Country on Maguuma, Way will be leader if he wishes otherwise I will be leader by default again.  Can't make everyone happy, but a decision has to be made and Maguuma seem to have the most favorable reaction.  Please send all hate mail to Zombie Signe.

That influence/guild perks tied servers seems pretty lame.  Not up to their usual level of "freedom" with design choices. Hopefully it is a back end limitation that with fixed later.

What the... why are you deciding?

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82533/103tok7.jpg)

Who else will?

Or maybe we should wait until everyone has lost interest in the game to decide a server?

The funny truth is that the people most vocal about the server decision will likely be the first to leave the game. 

True story. 

Look how well it worked in TOR, we had a server pre-chosen, no confusion at all.

Until they shut it down. Details.

I think it seems pretty clear lots of people are rolling with other guilds, so if the BC guild is just a "quick lookup to see who's doing what", then that's what it is.

Bat Country in WAR died during server merges as well.

Maguuma is fine by me, if it turns out to be a bad choice server transfer at launch doesn't seem too painful.  

Technically we didn't choose anything in SWTOR.  :-P

But Bat Country in SWToR was dead long before the server merges.

I figure if nothing else, we can liberally copy Falc's TSW roster so people see where everyone is.  Then we can at least have little clusters of perks for those on the same servers.

That's the server the Goons will be on correct? Guess I won't be on BC's home server then. I have no interest in playing with them.

I'm with you.  Zero interest in playing with the Goons.

Also, where is everyone getting the information about what guild(s) are on what servers? That could be helpful to me.

http://www.gw2guilds.org/ is pretty good... there are also some posts on guildwars2guru.com's forums.

e: my guild is still undecided, but we're trying to avoid servers that have too many uberguilds and/or major intarweb communities (this includes goons); it's probably also a good idea to select at least one 'fallback' server in case the main one gets swamped or locked down during the (pre)launch rush.

http://www.asuralabs.com/serverPoll.php
 (http://www.asuralabs.com/serverPoll.php)

Thought this one was interesting too.

It looks like I will try for Tarnished Coast. I tend to go where the RPers are even if I rarely RP. If nothing else it cuts down on seeing player names like URDUMASSHAHA

I'm normally an advocate of playing on RP servers, but chances are high the RPers are going to be hideously bad at WvW.

Probably but I will likely do a lot less WvW than you guys anyway. My general role in any kind of PvP is "Target who occasionally lucks into a kill."

Yea, the RP server is high on our list too. We've played on RP servers in every mmo since WOW, even though we haven't really RP'd since swg -- like Riggswolfe said, playing on RP servers *generally* has more people that can speak in complete sentences, and it's usually easy to isolate any potential Moon Guard Goldshire situations.  :why_so_serious:

The WvW thing is definitely something to look out for, but after a few weeks/months, the leaderboard will settle -- in case the WvWers are *really* that bad, the server will be paired with similarly bad servers so it'll be happy funtime incompetent shenanigans all around!

Yeah, but theoretically that just means they'll be triangled up with two other hideously bad WvWvW servers eventually, no?  So you have the chance to be a big fish in a really bad pond!

I'm aware of the Goons' reputation, but why so much aversion to being on their server specifically?

There's some merit to this, yeah. WoW battlegrounds in the mostly-RP-server battlegroup were pretty hilarious that way.

EDIT: Another plus is that Tarnished Coast looks to be high population if guild counts are anything to go off of, so that means more zergs in WvW probably. (If you consider that a plus, I always liked the huge LOLzerg a lot more than grr serious business squad RVR in DAOC.)

Massive overpopulation fears (and server becoming locked on day 2) was the big thing for my guild... and yeah, the griefing bit. It's true that GW2 isn't REALLY griefer-friendly, but wvw has plenty of opportunitions*-- and that's where server choice matters the most, after all.

Aside: there's a guild called 'Gaiscioch' on Sanctum of Rall that has like 3000 members (and their website seems to confirm that they indeed have that many, though probably not all will buy GW2)... isn't that a server population by itself?


* This was a typo of 'opportunities', but now it looks like a portmanteau of 'opportunities' and 'munition', so ha!

It's like this. I could live in gang territory and I might not have problems. Or I could live elsewhere and reduce my likelihood of problems significantly. I did a lot of google reading about those guys and they're the exact type of player I do my best to avoid.

Even setting aside the griefing and such, the presence of a giant organized group that institutionally approves of tossing racial/sexual slurs around makes it basically a no-sale for me, by itself.

I agree.

 :oh_i_see:

Don't worry, we'll have non-goon option as well.  I think this might be the best way to handle things, because the folks that are saying Meguuma are going there regardless of any f13 opinion.  Hopefully I can coordinate with another sizeable population so fall backs are in place for the inevitable 75% wandering off to go play the new WoW xpac.  Weak willed sonsofbitches.

I'm looking forward to the enivitable dance party in one of the WvW zones.

Yeah, it's basically irrelevant to me, since I'm rolling with Reddit, but Tarnished Coast does seem like a good suggestion that fits all criteria.

In every beta weekend so far Tarnished Coast did very well in WvW. It had one of the better win percentages I believe. If that counts for anything.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/51670-goonswarm-considers-blackgate-as-their-possible-hive-sorry-home/#entry1776114 (http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/51670-goonswarm-considers-blackgate-as-their-possible-hive-sorry-home/#entry1776114)
Goons still undecided?  Probably looking at Maguums low pop.

Oh god dammit, my other guild was pondering black gate.

Damn so was my guild

 :rofl:

Looks like they aren't going with blackgate now:


Thank god

Apparently 4chan is going to TC to fuck with rpers.
Plus TC is looking pretty big now.
Do the anti-goon folks have an other server ideas?

Blackgate is where my old Aion friends are playing.

Lum's board is going to Jade Quarry which is mostly home to a bunch of old DAOC guilds I've heard.

Interesting... thanks for that.

Yeah the word I've heard is that the people from my old DAOC server are looking at Jade Quarry as well.

If one of you fuckers can't just pick a goddamn server on day 1 and start a guild there, I will.

There isn't enough freedom of "game" in this "game" to actually be worried about griefing or anything else. The only thing to take into account is WvW queues.

That's IT. This isn't a game where people outside your guild are relevant.

On the contrary I would expect cross-guild cooperation to be the #1 most important factor in WvW (after population, which GW2 should solve) if prior games with similar systems are predictive.

Inc. alliance drama.

It isn't even necessary for the game to be live to generate alliance drama, see Exhibit A (http://gw2wvw.com/main/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=166) (this is my first and last link to vnboards-esque sites, I promise!)

Bwahaha, it involes Drow, they were on our WoW server. I have to say the prospect of seeing this stuff in action makes me tempted to jump right in at release instead of waiting.

That's why I started the server thread.  Hopefully it'd make some people decide.

I'd say Jade Quarry for Bat Country, and if certain recent events make Sorrow's Furnace not work for me, that's my fall-back server.

Why don't we just go with Jade Quarry unless there are any red flags that pop up?

Because JQ is one of two biggest servers in GW2.  It will be queue/lockout city.

If it matters to anyone it looks like the final decision for server for the folks from Slap who will be playing GW2 at release is Jade Quarry. (Gate of Madness is apparently the ABORT MISSION backup plan if something doesn't work out about JQ.)

Who is Slap and why do we care?

You don't, necessarily, just my guild from other games that other people from f13 have at times played in/with.

And is this true?

For what it's worth, I like "Gate of Madness" because I am a fan of HP Lovecraft.

That is how much I think about servers when it comes to picking one.

It does sound like it is going to be pretty full - I guess it has a really high guild count, but I don't know if those guilds include any really big ones. The main draw for us is the old DAOC crew from various other guilds on our original server being there. I guess time has faded our memory of how much we all hated each other?

So, Gate of Madness?

Edit: To further clarify (in consideration to whoever Slap is) - Bat Country on Gate of Madness can be a backup guild to Slap members when there ends up being server queues. I don't care. I just want to lock this thread and make an announcement so people can join the right server immediately upon pre-reg play.

ALSO

BREAKING NEWS QUESTION

We had the tag <EVIL> in Guild Wars. If *I* make the Guild in Guild Wars 2, can we keep the tag EVIL?

No.

Only if it is pronounced like the fru-its of the dev-il.

Gate of Madness++

Got any source on that Taz? I really am not a fan of playing with 4chan.

Fuckit, locking this, we're too close to launch. Bat Country server will be Gate of Madness. Iä! Iä!