Chimps Evolved More Than Humans

[sinij]

Chimps Evolved More Than Humans

Since the human-chimp split about 6 million years ago, chimpanzee genes can be said to have evolved more than human genes, a new study suggests.

[stray]

Maybe if evolution was strictly about biology, then who knows. But there are many other areas where humans have evolved, and aren't so tangible and easily observed. Our tools alone, for instance, would still make us the cream of the crop. We don't need to further evolve for sheer physical prowess or utility. Our tools aid in that.

Another would be our ability to retain and record the knowledge of the past. That makes up for many of the benefits "good breeding" may provide. There may be less stupid, and better equipped chimps than there are humans, but since humans have an easy way of learning from past record (instead of just relying on natural abilities and intelligence), even the most ill-bred, stupid humans can succeed just by cheating their way to the top.

[Paelos]

You think your tools and pretty buildings make you more "advanced," but my monkey brethren know that they are just building you shinier coffins.

VIVA LA MONKEY!

[Oban]

Wait, I have to go to work five days a week so that I can maybe retire at the age of 65.  When I retire I can lay in a hammock and eat fruit seven days a week.

A monkey sits in a tree and eats fruit, every day of his life.

Yes, I would have to agree that the Chimp is the winner.

[Signe]

My cousin, Erica, has Monkey Farm where they breed monkeys for cheese and sometimes make them into bread.  Mostly Monkey Cheese, though.

[Der Helm]

My cousin, Erica, has Monkey Farm where they breed monkeys for cheese and sometimes make them into bread.  Mostly Monkey Cheese, though.

She is back!

[NiX]

VIVA LA MONKEY!

As Oban pointed out, we've already won.

[stray]

Wha...? Paelos finally managed to recruit someone to the Monkey Brigade?

[WindupAtheist]

Maybe if evolution was strictly about biology, then who knows. But there are many other areas where humans have evolved, and aren't so tangible and easily observed. Our tools alone, for instance, would still make us the cream of the crop. We don't need to further evolve for sheer physical prowess or utility. Our tools aid in that.

Stray, why are you trying to "prove" that people are better than chimps?  We already know that.  "More evolved" is not the same thing as "more advanced".  Not at all.

[Dren]

Maybe if evolution was strictly about biology, then who knows. But there are many other areas where humans have evolved, and aren't so tangible and easily observed. Our tools alone, for instance, would still make us the cream of the crop. We don't need to further evolve for sheer physical prowess or utility. Our tools aid in that.

Stray, why are you trying to "prove" that people are better than chimps?  We already know that.  "More evolved" is not the same thing as "more advanced".  Not at all.

He's just taking an early step towards saving our jobs.  Down with monkey worker replacements!

[Lantyssa]

We have tools and bend the environment to our wills.  We have less need to evolve, less pressure to select advantageous traits, so it makes sense.

[Samwise]

Saying that one organism is "more evolved" than the other based on genotype alone seems kinda superficial and misleading IMO.  Differences in phenotype are much more indicative, if more difficult to quantify and compare.

(This post is maybe the first time in more than a decade that I have used terms like "genotype" and "phenotype".  Go me!)

[Yegolev]

Working my ass off versus sitting around wacking off all day... hmm.

[MrHat]

Working my ass off versus sitting around wacking off all day... hmm.

Don't lie.

[Murgos]

They only mean evolved in the 'has under gone more changes' sense.  Not that it's more superior.

It doesn't surprise me that humanity may have been subcounciously breeding to mitigate random change.

[Yegolev]

What you say may be true, but it also not funny.

[Merusk]

Chimps also mate like fucking rabbits, even going so far as having 'hello' fucks.  As a result Chimp sperm has evolved to do some funny shit in the female, including 'hunter killer' sperm and 'barrier' sperm-walls.  Seems that it would follow that they'd be "more evolved" than a quasi-monogamous species.

[NiX]

Chimps also mate like fucking rabbits

That we do, that we do. Now, if you'll excuse me...

[Calantus]

I'm pretty sure humans are on the way down the evolutionary ladder as we speak so I'm not surprised.

[Samwise]

[Arnold]

Saying that one organism is "more evolved" than the other based on genotype alone seems kinda superficial and misleading IMO.  Differences in phenotype are much more indicative, if more difficult to quantify and compare.

(This post is maybe the first time in more than a decade that I have used terms like "genotype" and "phenotype".  Go me!)

Not if the two organisms are competing for the same resources, in the same environment.  "More evolved" means being able to outcompete other species for the same resources.  Now that we are raping the environment on a global scale, I'd say we are competing for some of the same resources as primates, and the primates are losing, badly.

[Murgos]

"More evolved" means being able to outcompete other species for the same resources.

Evolve just means change, try not to read to much into the idiotically written article.  There is no implicit superiority to being more evolved.  Don't let it get you all defensive.

[Dren]

"More evolved" means being able to outcompete other species for the same resources.

Evolve just means change, try not to read to much into the idiotically written article.  There is no implicit superiority to being more evolved.  Don't let it get you all defensive.

I'm telling you!  They are going to steal our jobs and women.  We are under attack!  We must take preemptive strikes now.

The "Jungle" should be our next target once we pull out of Iraq.

AAAAIIIiiiiiiieeeeeee.....

[Riggswolfe]

"More evolved" means being able to outcompete other species for the same resources.

Evolve just means change, try not to read to much into the idiotically written article.  There is no implicit superiority to being more evolved.  Don't let it get you all defensive.

I'm telling you!  They are going to steal our jobs and women.  We are under attack!  We must take preemptive strikes now.

The "Jungle" should be our next target once we pull out of Iraq.

AAAAIIIiiiiiiieeeeeee.....

I have here some documents showing that the chimps are carrying feces of mass destruction. They plan to launch a major assualt on all humans that get close enough. The incidents in the zoos were merely early tests that our intelligence communities missed.

[Furiously]

DAMN YOU!!!!!!

[Lantyssa]

I'm telling you!  They are going to steal our jobs and women.  We are under attack!  We must take preemptive strikes now.

I'm pretty sure my job requires more than a trained monkey, and they certainly aren't going to steal me...

[Paelos]

I'm telling you!  They are going to steal our jobs and women.  We are under attack!  We must take preemptive strikes now.

I'm pretty sure my job requires more than a trained monkey, and they certainly aren't going to steal me...

Yes, that's fine. You believe that. We're getting closer to breaking down the barriers everyday. Soon monkies will have the lesbian community on our side.

[Tebonas]

I didn't know there was a new film from Mike Judge. I just watched it.

Now I'm frightened, so very very frightened. Coupled with some comments from those VA shootings (the external links) that film gets less and less funny.


It was funny while watching it, though. So thanks for that visual clue that this movie exists Samwise (never made it to the cinemas over here).

[Signe]

I like it when people dress them up in people clothes.  So cute!  They almost seem alive!

[Arnold]

"More evolved" means being able to outcompete other species for the same resources.

Evolve just means change, try not to read to much into the idiotically written article.  There is no implicit superiority to being more evolved.  Don't let it get you all defensive.

I'm not defensive; evolution is the result of natural selection.  Right now, chimps and their bretheren are being outcompeted, and will go extinct.  Their only hope for survival is the goodwill of mankind, and that will go right out the door as soon as the resources to keep them going become too costly.

[Lantyssa]

"More evolved" doesn't mean they can outcompete, it means they've had more evolutionary changes over time.  That's all.  The theory of evolution isn't about competition as even the "best" species can die off due to a sudden change in environment.

All we can say is that humans are the more dominant species, as our actions impact a majority of the others.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

 

this thread is funny.

[bhodi]

Yeah? Guess what I saw on the TV guide:

Chimps: The Dark Side

NGCHD 4/27 11:00am-12:00pm -- In 1995 a small child in western Uganda was attacked and partially eaten by a wild chimpanzee. This was the first casualty in a spate of horrifying attacks.

[Damn Dirty Ape]

That looks like Paul Shaffer before baldness kicked in.

[stray]

OK, I've decided to join the Monkey Brigade for the time being.

Love of coconuts and all that.