Bethesda gets Fallout

[Tebonas]

I sure hope you are right, I would even pray for that if I was religious and they got one of the licenses I cared about.

[Strazos]

Bioware did fine with KotOR. Obsidian couldn't even finish it. And by all accounts, NWN2 kinda sucks as well.

At this point, I have very little faith in their ability to deliver a complete game that isn't ass.

[Ironwood]

See, you blame Obsidian for that.

I blame the Star Wars license.

That's Nutso, of course.

[schild]

See, you blame Obsidian for that.

I blame the Star Wars license.

That's Nutso, of course.

Sure, but so is liking Star Wars post Episode 1.

[Ironwood]

It's Me.  You don't have to preach to the Choir.

However, Star Wars aside, Obsidian haven't yet done a decent or even complete game.

They are not worthy of your cash, no matter what.


Hell, I just gave up on NWN2, so substandard was the product.  I'm still enjoying the original.

[stray]

NWN2 is truly awful, I agree. Granted, I don't like NWN either, but still, at least it works.

[schild]

Well, I'd prefer Troika get Planescape, but that's even less likely.

[Wolf]

Didn't Troika die?
Miserably?

[stray]

Vampires ate them.


Then spewed them out to Obsidian (for reals).

[Strazos]

If Bloodlines was any indication, it's probably for the best that they cannot get the Fallout license.

[schild]

Dead serious, I'd prefer a half-finished, buggy Troika-made Planescape or Fallout to what Bethsoft will inevitably do (OH GREAT, FUTUREPUNK SANDBOX, YAY HOW MUCH FUN, WAIT, WHERE'S THE NARRATIVE?)

[Strazos]

Either way, Fallout is going to turn into some kind of first-person...thing. I was perfectly happy with an isometric turn-based game.

[stray]

Sandboxes are a cool idea to me, but I like narratives too. And narratives can be possible/easily accessible in a sandbox. Bethesda just hasn't learned enough from Rockstar in that respect.

That being said, Fallout isn't a bad license for a sandbox. I mean, I'm sure that's what it'd be exactly like if Fallout was a real life scenario. Just pointlessly wandering around in a daze, looking for trash.

[Ironwood]

Can I just reiterate how much I fucking love Fallout.

Must dig out the disks for my laptop.

[Nevermore]

If Bloodlines was any indication, it's probably for the best that they cannot get the Fallout license.

What?  Bloodlines is one of my favorite games! 

[schild]

For reals, Bloodline was a revelation. It was, by far, the best vampire game ever (and Vampire), but more than that, it was simply a masterpiece. Unfortunately, it was the worst example of Buggy known to gaming.

[Ironwood]

The execution of Bloodlines kinda fucked it up.

Further, most of the freedom of choice turned out not to be.

Masquerade was, in fact, fucking awesome, of course.  Nothing like owning Riot cops with the sword that SWALLOWS THEIR SOULS.

[stray]

I never finished Arcanum or Bloodlines. Probably the best games I've played, that at the same time, couldn't totally win me over because of their performance.

I should try revisiting them someday though.

[Azazel]

The execution of Bloodlines kinda fucked it up.

Further, most of the freedom of choice turned out not to be.

Masquerade was, in fact, fucking awesome, of course.  Nothing like owning Riot cops with the sword that SWALLOWS THEIR SOULS.

Which of the Vampire games is the good one?

[Sky]

Both Bloodlines and Redemption were great games, Bloodlines being the better. I never got far enough in Arcanum but it seemed like a really good game. I want to save a bunch of old pcs and my old titles and when I retire I'm going to spend my retirement playing old video games all day.

I just started playing Planescape again on my p3 laptop, but I'll probably stop (again) when the new gpu comes in, in a couple days.

[Strazos]

Troika games are far too buggy for my taste. Also, I don't think Troika did a very good job taking advantage of Source; Quite a few parts of the game look like shit to me.

[Wolf]

The troika guys were/are genious. I give them that. They had trouble making games that work, though. I still think Arcanum is one of the best games ever :)

[Medic975]

The Fallout series was golden. I am wary of Bethesda's execution of it. Bugs galore is annoying as all hell.  Just hope they have the spirit of the older games. Hell I still play em from time to time.

That being said if they cock it up as bad as Atari did to NWN2 I'll go on a baby punching rampage.

[Furiously]

That being said if they cock it up as bad as Atari did to NWN2 I'll go on a baby punching rampage.

Signe's avatar first please.

[Azazel]

I tried playing Arcanum semi-recently, but I just couldn't get into it.

[Strazos]

I tried going through the game once, but failed. Apparently, hybrids suck balls in that game; you either go full-on magic or tech. Anything less means you can't use the more powerful gear, and you resists suck.

[Kail]

I tried going through the game once, but failed. Apparently, hybrids suck balls in that game; you either go full-on magic or tech. Anything less means you can't use the more powerful gear, and you resists suck.

As I recall, full-on tech sucked, too (which was annoying, because that was kind of what made the game seem interesting to me).  All the high-end tech gear required components which were extremely limited in quanitity (like, only one or two exist in the game, off on some obscure shore somewhere, hope you didn't sell it), and guns and explosives were the worst weapons in the game (a bow and arrow was FAR faster than a pistol) while at the same time being ludicrously expensive to operate.  But mages could get a simple Harm spell to start with that could knock out half the enemies in the game if you got your magic affinity high enough.

[Strazos]

Troika was never great with balance.

EDIT: It's a shame, because a lot of the guys at that studio had a lot of good ideas, but sucked with implementation. It's probably for the better that the staff has been scattered to the winds, to work at studios where they Might be working alongside people who know how to get a functioning game out the door.

[Riggswolfe]

I tried going through the game once, but failed. Apparently, hybrids suck balls in that game; you either go full-on magic or tech. Anything less means you can't use the more powerful gear, and you resists suck.

As I recall, full-on tech sucked, too (which was annoying, because that was kind of what made the game seem interesting to me).  All the high-end tech gear required components which were extremely limited in quanitity (like, only one or two exist in the game, off on some obscure shore somewhere, hope you didn't sell it), and guns and explosives were the worst weapons in the game (a bow and arrow was FAR faster than a pistol) while at the same time being ludicrously expensive to operate.  But mages could get a simple Harm spell to start with that could knock out half the enemies in the game if you got your magic affinity high enough.

I wouldn't say tech sucked. I'd say it was more challenging than magic. The one time I beat that game I did it with a tech guy. The cool thing was I got to a point where magic didn't affect me and my tech was better than most other people's. In fact, I have vague memories of the final boss fight being pretty easy.

Arcanum was sort of like Fallout-lite to me. It had elements that resembled Fallout but lacked that "one thing" that made Fallout so cool. I just am not 100% sure what that one thing was. The best word I can think of is personality.

[Ironwood]

Worf.  It lacked Worf.

[Nevermore]

I guess i just never had many problems with Bloodlines since I only just played it a few months ago.  There were a buttload of patches available that, once applies, resulted in very few problems.

[Ironwood]

Only in Fallout 2 did you get this :

War story: player (level 2) manages to piss off Joey in conversation, runs into Becky's chased by thugs, and hides behind Rebecca. Joey fires at player and hits Rebecca, casino guard fires at Joey and hits gambler. Eventually gamblers and townspeople are fighting each other and guards, guards are shooting gamblers and thugs, and Joey gets killed by Rebecca while still trying to shoot player. Then guard misses and kills orphan outside, two orphans storm the casino and even score a critical hit before being gunned down by the guards. Meanwhile, a guard accidentally hits another guard, guards start shooting each other, and as one guard runs out the door the entire battle spills out into the street! A few more people are killed out there. Combat ends, one of the surviving guards turns and walks back into the casino, while five or six guards and casino patrons remain outside, most of them severely wounded. One gambler, standing out in the street, comments: "Damn, Becky's was the only place to gamble around here!"

[Wolf]

brings a fucking tear to my eye.
We'll never see a game like Fallout or Fallout 2. Or like Starcraft for that matter :)

edit: Damn you IW. Now I have to install Fallout 2 tonight. There go another 2 months of playing a game I've played prolly more than 1000 hours...

[Ironwood]

You'll need this....

[Hoax]

I'll settle for any game where you can cut a person in half, with a chaingun.  Hell the overall lack of post-apoc settings in PC games is disgusting.