Roseanne Barr is not PC

[Gutboy Barrelhouse]

While co-hosting a radio show on KCAA, Roseanne Barr and her on-air guest, black lesbian activist Jasmyne Cannick, talked about gays. Roseanne talked a little more:


"Never once in my 54 years have I ever once heard a gay or lesbian person who's politically active say one thing about anything that was not about them. They don't care about minimum wage, they don't care about any other group other than their own self because you know, some people say being gay and lesbian is a totally narcissistic thing and sometimes I wonder. I've never heard any of them say anything except for "accept me 'cause I'm gay." It's just, it's screwed. It's no different than the evangelicals, it's the same mindset. They want you to accept Jesus and you guys want us to all believe it's ok to be gay. And a lot of us, a lot of them, I do, I don't give a damn who anybody has sex with, as long as they're not underage and an animal. I don't give a damn, it's none of my damn business. I'm just sick of all the divisiveness, it's not getting any of us anywhere."
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It will be interesting to see what direction this thread will go but I bet UO, PvP+ might make it in at some point.

[Lantyssa]

She's totally right!  I mean, we don't work with women's shelters, the environment, homelessness, minimum wage debates, or with other communities who seek our support.  Oh, wait, we do.

Talk about self-absorbed.  Maybe she's too busy remembering her eponymous show to see we're involved in more than just our own issues, which almost no one is doing for us, so we kind of have to.

[Signe]

Rosanne Barr is all about the PvP.  She should just talk about what she knows.  Nothing.

[Murgos]

She's totally right!  I mean, we don't work with women's shelters, the environment, homelessness, minimum wage debates, or with other communities who seek our support.  Oh, wait, we do.

Yeah but it's only so you can pick up hawtie's on the rebound, dirty-hippy free sex eco-chicks or homless or underpaid girls looking for a way out or other communities where there are easy pickin's.

Me and Rosanne? We're on to you.

[Lantyssa]

What!?  I'm supposed to be getting easy chicks out of this!?  Why didn't anyone tell me?

[Big Gulp]

What!?  I'm supposed to be getting easy chicks out of this!?  Why didn't anyone tell me?

Rob a bank.  I guarantee you'll get some action, at least if Caged Heat on Cinemax late night is any indication to go off of.

[Paelos]

I thought Roseanne Barr was dead. This thread does me no favors.

[Llava]

It's weird to see this from her, actually.  I remember back in the day it was a big deal that she covered homosexuality on her show and it ended up being pretty pro-gay.

Unfortunately, she mistakes what's televised for reality.  That's also strange, given that her sitcom was designed specifically because she felt that telivision didn't reflect reality at all.

[Ironwood]

Her speech at the top of the thread sounds pretty Pro-Gay also, just Anti-Politics.

I can't blame her.

[HaemishM]

It's Roseanne Barr. Why should anyone fucking care?

[Riggswolfe]

a totally narcissistic thing

Pot...Kettle. You know the rest.

[Ironwood]

It's Roseanne Barr. Why should anyone fucking care?

Because the Second Becky actually turned into quite the hawty, with a habit of getting her norks out ?

[Llava]

with a habit of getting her norks out ?

What? Where? I missed this.

[Ironwood]

Um.  In almost every single episode of Scrubs ?

[Sky]

What!?  I'm supposed to be getting easy chicks out of this!?  Why didn't anyone tell me?

I could always give you guitar lessons...works for almost everyone.

Also, I thought that Scrubs chick looked familiar.

[Kitsune]

If you hadn't realized by now that Roseanne Barr isn't living in quite the same world as the rest of us, welcome to 1995.  Of course the gay interest groups aren't jumping out of their way to do something else, in much the same way as the lung cancer foundation isn't going to go help war orphans in Africa.  Shock and horror that they have a defined purpose and follow it!

[Lantyssa]

What!?  I'm supposed to be getting easy chicks out of this!?  Why didn't anyone tell me?

I could always give you guitar lessons...works for almost everyone.

I am completely and totally tone deaf.  No matter how much I would like this, it won't work.

It's really, really bad.

[CmdrSlack]

She's just rambling on about this because those are the issues with which she's really concerned.  I saw her on the Bill Maher show a few weeks back and it was essentailly the same issues, but without the gay stuff.  Heck, it's not even un-PC, she's just stating an opinion based on observation.  I really don't see the issue here, I know plenty of gay people situated on both sides of her rant.

[Furiously]

What!?  I'm supposed to be getting easy chicks out of this!?  Why didn't anyone tell me?

I could always give you guitar lessons...works for almost everyone.

I am completely and totally tone deaf.  No matter how much I would like this, it won't work.

It's really, really bad.

You see, it's more of a "Hey, come back to my place and I'll teach you some guitar..." Just so long as you have a guitar. Heck even maybe a guitar hero guitar, it's still going to work.

[naum]

Leave Rosie O'Donnel alone.

Oh, wait, hmmm, I seem to get those two confused…

[HaemishM]

Well, they both do need a healthy dose of Shut the Fuck Up Already.

[Sky]

I am completely and totally tone deaf.  No matter how much I would like this, it won't work.

It's really, really bad.

Punk rock it is.

Furiously: I took 'violin lessons' for a while. Have no clue how to play violin, but I did learn the kama sutra!

[Lantyssa]

Hmmmm.  I do have Guitar Hero and one of my older friends surprised me by saying she was getting into it with her girlfriend.  I think you're on to something...

[Bunk]

What!?  I'm supposed to be getting easy chicks out of this!?  Why didn't anyone tell me?

I sit beside two younger girls in my office, one is a lesbian. After several discussions about the parties thrown and attended by the lesbian girl, and the all lesbian fireside chats (whatever the hell that is), the straight girl declared that she was going to switch teams just so that she'd have more friends.

Thought it was quite funny.

Oh, and Roseanne is a cunt.

[Big Gulp]

the straight girl declared that she was going to switch teams just so that she'd have more friends.

All women are inherently switch hitters.  Come on, they can't make up their minds on anything else in their lives, why would this be any different?

[Selby]

Punk rock it is.

My first foray into music actually.  I was born a tone-deaf little thing who couldn't even put together a G chord.  It took me years to even understand some theory.  Then I took college level math and engineering classes.  All of the sudden music made sense from a wave perspective.  I still have an almost impossible time telling what key things are in and having to actually determine what was just played, but I can actually tell good notes from bad.  And I can keep my guitar in quite nice standard tuning (and it actually bothers me when it goes out!).

Anybody can learn.  It took me almost 10 years to get to the point where I might actually succeed at playing rythm guitar in Green Day or somesuch (good thing I decided not to make a career out of it!).  Never got chicks with the guitar though.  They were fascinated by it and my playing abilities, but no girlfriend++ or anything like that.

And hell, it's fricking Roseanne.  I stopped caring years ago what some C-list celebrity will spew in an attempt to get their career jump-started again.

[Llava]

Um.  In almost every single episode of Scrubs ?

Oh.

I thought you meant completely out.

[stray]

Punk rock it is.

My first foray into music actually.

Almost fifteen years of playing, and I'm still bullshitting people with my l33t punk rock skillz.

[Sky]

We started out goin for thrash, but I guess it was more punk at first. We literally learned how to play individually and as a band at the same time. I won't go into the whole story now (it might be on f13 somehwere anyway) but we started as an art project in school, designing an album cover. We made up a band and for my birthday I asked for a guitar to replace my worn tennis racket. We knew a kid who could almost play an acdc song, and well, he owned a guitar. Sucked so bad we had to write our own music because we couldn't play anyone elses, best thing that happened to our band.

Playing guitar isn't easy, but getting good is, in a way. Just practice. Practice, practice, practice. One day you turn around and you're jamming. I try to get in at least an hour a day and I don't practice nearly enough to be as good as I want to be (I just wannabe Johnny Winter imo :P).

Some day I'll actually learn to play well in major keys.

[Damn Dirty Ape]

Anybody can learn.  It took me almost 10 years to get to the point where I might actually succeed at playing rythm guitar in Green Day or somesuch (good thing I decided not to make a career out of it!).  Never got chicks with the guitar though.  They were fascinated by it and my playing abilities, but no girlfriend++ or anything like that.

That's almost my own story except I've been at it for 20 years.  My problem is I lack discipline and so only practice a few times a month.  But I'm told I have some talent for it.  On bass, I can play some Rush and Yes level stuff *if* I've got an accurate tab and put in the time.  On regular guitar, I can pull off really basic stuff such as early Zep but without the solos.

I never got any groovy chicks either when I played in bands during college.  I was painfully shy around women.  Plus, the drummer and I always wanted to play Rush.  That's the rock-n-roll equivalent of being a Trekkie.

[Llava]

How did this turn into another music thread?

And that wooter thread is a tattoo thread now.

We're certainly a deraily bunch of people, lately.

[Sky]

There's been some interesting research on how people get 'really good' on an instrument (or at chess, or sports, etc). Iirc it's a 10,000 hour thing. Once you've logged 10k hours at something, you're good at it. People who really sink in the time get good fast. I was lucky in that I spent the bulk of my time between the ages of 14 and 23 playing guitar (and bass). So the basics of playing, the vibrato, bending, right hand technique is all pretty easy for me, I'm a 'good' guitarist (I'd term myself barely competent, but I have high standards for myself). I used to have a great ear which is slowly returning. But there were days when I was younger that I'd spend 8-12 hours playing, especially the year I was in school and gigging professionally at night.

But the point being, until you've put in that time, it won't be natural or easy unless you're doing very primitive stuff. If you can put in the time I do now, maybe 20 hours a week or so, that's still 10 years without taking any breaks to get to the master level (I hate that term, though). So don't feel to bad about it. As I said, getting good is really all about the amount of time you can sink into it, though good direction is critical, too (10,000 hours of practicing the same song won't be as effective as a directed course of study). I'd never be where I am now without the years of study I put in as a kid, I just don't have the time now with relationships and job stuff.

[Llava]

I just didn't have the level of discipline to put that much into it.  I'd just pick up my guitar whenever I felt like it, rather than devoting X amount of time per day.

And the result.... I can't really play.  I can play a few things sloppily, and on a bass I'm competent enough to jam with people who are talented enough to cover up my playing, but I'm definitely no musician and if anyone asks if I play an instrument, my answer is "no".

Though I do keep looking at bass thinking I should give it a serious try sometime.

[naum]

Teach Yourself Programming in 10 Years — a look at learning how to program, but relevant…

Researchers (Hayes, Bloom) have shown it takes about ten years to develop expertise in any of a wide variety of areas, including chess playing, music composition, painting, piano playing, swimming, tennis, and research in neuropsychology and topology. There appear to be no real shortcuts: even Mozart, who was a musical prodigy at age 4, took 13 more years before he began to produce world-class music. In another genre, the Beatles seemed to burst onto the scene with a string of #1 hits and an appearance on the Ed Sullivan show in 1964. But they had been playing small clubs in Liverpool and Hamburg since 1957, and while they had mass appeal early on, their first great critical success, Sgt. Peppers, was released in 1967. Samuel Johnson thought it took longer than ten years: "Excellence in any department can be attained only by the labor of a lifetime; it is not to be purchased at a lesser price." And Chaucer complained "the lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne."

[Selby]

We started out goin for thrash, but I guess it was more punk at first.

My ultimate goal was to play for a thrash band too, but we all know how stupid kid dreams go.  I did manage to play some impressive Slayer songs along the way (took me almost 4 years of day-day practicing to get to the point where I could).  Right now I just turn on a song and think "hmm, let's learn this today" and as long as I've got a decent tablature or sheet music I can figure it out enough to get by.  I'm at least creative enough with my guitar solos that I can fake it really well, but most true musicians tell me I really have no style and am breaking all the rules ;-)