Oscars 07

[schild]

Oh shit. I can't follow this conversation anymore.

[Paelos]

Oh shit. I can't follow this conversation anymore.

Yeah, it's late too. I really should have left this thread when I said I was going to, but Stray taunted me. I'll leave yall alone with your grief now.

[stray]

Yojimbo is hardly art faggy. It's an action movie, with the Japanese star equivalent of Clint Eastwood, Steve McQueen, and Paul Newman all rolled into one.

Tetsuo would be art faggy.

[Velorath]

See, I'd get this thread if it was bitching about how more good foreign movies need to be brought to the U.S. and given the widespread theatrical release and marketing to get the attention they deserve.  Bitching about Oscar winners though?  That's like bitching about an IGN top ten games of the year list or something.  Who gives a fuck?  The only thing that comes out of these awards is that they'll be able to put "Acadamy Award Winner" in front of some more peoples' names during movie trailers.

[ahoythematey]

Dances with Wolves is one of my favorite movies...

[stray]

I'm sure you'd get less shit for that than me saying that DiCaprio is one of my favorite actors -- under 40, that is. 

[Kenrick]

Oh shit. I can't follow this conversation anymore.

[Ironwood]

I've never understood people's issue with Gladiator. That movie is so visceral at times it blows me away. I'm not going to argue its Oscar merits, I stopped watching the Oscars in 1989 when Glory lost and I realized, at the ripe old age of 17, that the Oscars were bullshit and had fuck all to do with merit.

All right, What The Fuck did Glory lose to ?  It had better be the best fucking film ever.  Glory was a masterpiece.  A Fucking Masterpiece !!


(Oh and I wasn't giving you shit for liking 25-30 year old either, merely saying that blokes are hardwired to go for women with, er, 'breeding attributes'.  You do realise how much different older people look NOW than they did THEN, right ??)

Hell, I'd do the fuck out of Raquel Welch and Carol Vordeman and they ain't exactly spring chickens.

(Success, another thread derailed to be all about my dick.)

[Trippy]

All right, What The Fuck did Glory lose to ?  It had better be the best fucking film ever.  Glory was a masterpiece.  A Fucking Masterpiece !!

Glory was never nominated for Best Picture. For the 1989 awards Driving Miss Daisy won Best Picture. The other nominees where Born on the Fourth of July, Dead Poets Society, Field of Dreams, and My Left Foot. Denzel Washington did win Best Supporting Actor and Glory won Best Cinematography and Best Sound.

[Ironwood]

Well, I came in to the thread not giving a fuck about the Oscars and with the view it's a lot of Circle-Jerk Assfaggery.  I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Glory is one of my favourite films.

[stray]

Hmm 1989. That's actually a great lineup of flicks. Even Born on the Fourth, where Cruise was at his douchebaggy best. Field of Dreams is the great Costner film (as opposed to Dances with Wolves). My Left Foot is awesome. Surprised that Glory wasn't nominated though.

[Riggswolfe]

Well, I came in to the thread not giving a fuck about the Oscars and with the view it's a lot of Circle-Jerk Assfaggery.  I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Glory is one of my favourite films.

Glory is one of my favorite films as well. I  have the two disk super special edition which has all kinds of stuff on the second disk which I haven't watched. Yeah, it wasn't nominated though in my memory I thought it was, after talking to my friend who remembers that year I remembered we were all pissed it wasn't nominated. Guess memory warps with time eh? But yeah, I've pretty much boycotted the Oscars for the last 17 years because of it. I watched the 2000 Oscars to see if Gladiator won but lost interest like an hour in and just checked the internet to see the results. Honestly, I still think Denzel Washington and Matthew Broderick did their best acting in Glory.

[Kenrick]

Did y'all hear Eddie Murphy got hissy and stormed out of the theatre when he didn't win?     Come back, Norbit!

[HaemishM]

I'm sure you'd get less shit for that than me saying that DiCaprio is one of my favorite actors -- under 40, that is. 

You truly have no taste.

[stray]

I guess that's a compliment. You're a fucking hick.

[HaemishM]

At least I don't think Dicrapio is an actor or anything other than a pretty, empty face directors trot out when they need something to drag women into the theaters.

[stray]

Heh. That's a much better reply than I thought my comment would gather. Good on you, sir!

Also, say what you want about DiCaprio. We're all entitled to an opinion. Just leave my tastes -- in the general sense -- out of it. It's not about me.


Anyhow, the guy's best work was hardly pretty boy material.

This Boy's Life -- He's just a little kid in it. He's great.

Gilbert Grape -- An autistic retard who outshined Depp. Also, it was before he was famous anyhow.

Basketball Diaries -- Another great movie... But he looks like Jim Carroll. That's why he got the part.

A Howard Hughes biopic is not exactly the thing to get teenage girls in theaters either.

[Llava]

I think the issue was that it beat an Asian movie that had a plot most people couldn't figure out, which always angers the artfags. Hell, me just saying this probably blew the beret off some dude watching Yojimbo right now.

Actually, I didn't really like Crouching Tiger.  But I HATED Gladiator.  I saw it with a friend in theaters the night it came out, because we were both reasonably excited for it.  We came out of the theater and agreed that it was long, boring, cliched, and stupid.  We didn't talk about it again until it got nominated for an Oscar, for which we were both shocked, and then when it won... let's put it this way, it wasn't some intentional and elitist act of decrying accessible American films in favor of beret-pandering artsy crap, it was wrought out of pure disdain for the film in question.

But I never got why Crouching Tiger was considered to be so amazing.  I thought the idea was to make it so it DOESN'T look like the actors are on wires.  Still, it was better than Gladiator.

[HaemishM]

A Howard Hughes biopic is not exactly the thing to get teenage girls in theaters either.

Which is why you cast Dicaprio in it instead of someone who can act. Oh and Martin Scorsese is wet for him or something.

His best role was as the young Arthur Rimbaud in Total Eclipse. Everything after that is just not worth watching, unless you can stand him. And I can't.

[stray]

The Rimbaud part was cool too, but the movie itself was shite.

[Llava]

And DiCaprio is a pretty decent actor.

Not on my list of favorites, but I definitely take him much more seriously now than in the Romeo and Titanic days.

[stray]

It's really those two that get people down. Before and after he's fine.

[Kenrick]

Also, say what you want about DiCaprio. We're all entitled to an opinion. Just leave my tastes -- in the general sense -- out of it. It's not about me.

I thought he was decent in Catch Me if You Can, too. 

[eldaec]

I realized, at the ripe old age of 17, that the Oscars were bullshit and had fuck all to do with merit.

Beats the hell out of me why we should care who wins an Oscar even it did have anything to do with merit.

It's an industry party driven by PR people who like to build expense accounts, gain free airtime for their product, and get drunk.


I wouldn't give a shit if SOE and EA were to agree that WoW was the best MMOG ever, I fail to understand why it matters what the film industry wants to pimp DVD sales of either.

[Ixxit]

DiCaprio is a good actor, however the problem lies with the fact that he is often miscast.  He's just too 'boyish' (for lack of a better word) to be taken seriously  in some of the dramatic roles he has taken.   As Haemish points out, Scorsese has some bizarre Leonardo  fetish which ultimately may be partially the reason the best director Oscar has eluded him until now.  Some of his films (Aviator, Gangs, and even the Departed) lose a bit of their dramatic impact because  he is in a leading role imho.


[EDIT]

I thought he was decent in Catch Me if You Can, too.

Even though I hated the movie, I agree, DeCaprio did a great job in 'Catch Me if You Can' because he is a good actor  and his boyishness was perfectly suited for the role.

[Ixxit]

But I HATED Gladiator

The first 20 minutes of Gladiator was some of the best film making ever. Unfortunatley the  remaining 2 + hours sucked donkey balls.  Still trying to figure out how it won best picture.

[stray]

DiCaprio is a good actor, however the problem lies with the fact that he is often miscast.  He's just too 'boyish' (for lack of a better word) to be taken seriously  in some of the dramatic roles he has taken.   As Haemish points out, Scorsese has some bizarre Leonardo  fetish which ultimately may be partially the reason the best director Oscar has eluded him until now.  Some of his films (Aviator, Gangs, and even the Departed) lose a bit of their dramatic impact because  he is in a leading role imho.

It's nothing new -- Scorsese's one actor relationship, I mean. He did it with DeNiro (DeNiro is the one who supposedly introduced him to Dicaprio). Older directors did it a lot too. Kurosawa and Mifune. Kazan and Brando. Godard and Belmondo.

DeNiro did This Boy's Life with Dicaprio awhile back. He was impressed. Supposedly, he introduced him to Marty, and said he should work with him (which didn't happen until later). Even though he worked with Scorsese so much in the past, he, supposedly, didn't see himself as the most bankable actor for Scorsese's films. He thought the kid had talent, and that it was a better business decision. Scorsese eventually agrees. Now DiCaprio is basically in the position DeNiro was in.

[Llava]

It's nothing new -- Scorsese's one actor relationship, I mean. He did it with DeNiro (DeNiro is the one who supposedly introduced him to Dicaprio). Older directors did it a lot too. Kurosawa and Mifune. Kazan and Brando. Godard and Belmondo.

Burton and Depp.
Nolan and Bale are headed that way, too.

[stray]

Last but not least, John Wayne and John Ford. Something like 20 movies together!

I just think it's something to do with communication, and knowing someone you're working with is on your level. That's the case with any job, I guess -- who doesn't want to work with good friends/like minds? It's not "fetish". Heh.

[Furiously]

Tell that to Kate Beckinsale.

[El Gallo]

The fact that Gwyneth Paltrow won Best Actress for Shakespeare In Love over Cate Blanchett in Elizabeth (or, frankly, any number of 16-year-olds who portrayed Juliet in high school productions across our great nation that year) is still mind-boggling to me, even by Oscar standards.

[stray]

Yeah, that is sad. Blanchett is and was awesome.

[HaemishM]

It's nothing new -- Scorsese's one actor relationship, I mean. He did it with DeNiro (DeNiro is the one who supposedly introduced him to Dicaprio). Older directors did it a lot too. Kurosawa and Mifune. Kazan and Brando. Godard and Belmondo.

Burton and Depp.
Nolan and Bale are headed that way, too.

But at least Depp can act, and both Nolan and Bale are damn talented. Scorcese and DiCrapio and Burton, not so much.

[stray]

Scorsese not talented? DiCaprio I can almost *almost* understand where you're coming from. Depending on a few things. Burton I can understand. But Scorsese. You really are nuts. Just absolutely out of your fucking mind, man. He is not only talented, he's a fucking god amongst men.

This is not a matter of opinion.

[stray]

Wait. I get it. Haemish is actually Vince Gallo in real life. Amirite?