Burning Crusade is so good

[Tebonas]

I could have leveled to 60, quit playing, and come back for the expansion and be no worse off for it at this point. That frustrates me.

Thats excatly what I did. I feel your pain, but its self-inflicted. You should have played the raidgame because you liked it, not for some rewards that would be invalidated in the future anyway. The enjoyment of the process it the only thing that will last in a MMO.

[Jayce]

Still got your orange weapon?

My orange weapon is rotting on a warrior I may never play again.  Meanwhile my new main is a 33 mage on the opposite faction, currently carrying the arcanist dagger from the ghostlands and a robe I got off a murloc.  I guess that shows what I care about uber loot.

[Calantus]

Calantus, you do realize that I patterned Killbotx after people like you, right? You're an ass when you actually speak out loud. Rethink that decision.

No not really. I only ever raided because it was what was there. I've never thought of them as an indication of skill or a mark of prestige. I raided for gear, but I did so for myself. Just like in a singleplayer game I'll min-max my character(s) to excess and get the best items for them. There's nobody to impress there, so why do I do it? Could it be because it's simply somethig I enjoy? I replayed fallout 2 last week and I found it mentally impossible to not take the gifted trait because OMG MY STATS LOOK SHIT IF I DON'T TAKE IT. That's just how I play games, and it has nothing to do with bragging or elitism. I never bragged about my gear except amongst friends in the way friends brag about anything. I also prefer 5mans and less to raiding, oh and PVP also. I didn't look down on casuals, ever, I looked down on shitty raiders. The casuals never got to my level of gear because I was wearing BWL/AQ40 gear.

I also quit when I realised I had begun to think like an elitist raider (actually I'd say I was more like the whiny casuals who bemoan that shitty players are getting better gear just because they have more time... oh wait, that's exactly what I was doing!). I never got around to, you know, actually looking down on people and calling them losers. That's the line between regular people and assholes: assholes say and do the things everyone else is too nice to do.

EDIT: Also, damn man, I don't want this to be some huge derail. Angel was wondering why he wasn't feeling BC and I wrote down why I wasn't feeling it incase it would be helpful. That. Is. All. My. First. Post. Was. About. I wasn't bashing casuals or bitching about Blizz "giving in to the casual losers" or whatever else the retards on WoW R&D are saying these days.

EDIT2: In the spirit of not wanting this to go on forever, where I say "whiny casuals" above I am not implying casuals are whiners, I'm specifically referring to the whiny subsect of casuals who bitch constantly in WoW R&D.

[Ironwood]

What's WoW R&D ?

[Oban]

Allow me to welcome you to hell.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11126&sid=1

[Zetor]

R&D, I believe, is this particular hive of scum and villainy.
Anyway, I'm amused at the number of uber raiders with bwl and aq40+ gear being unable to get past black morass. [now granted, these are pugs, but still...]


Edit: blah, beaten to it. :p


-- Z.

[Tebonas]

Its where dreams of leetness go to die in a whiny swan song of despair.

I won't link to it, thats against the Geneva convention.

[Ironwood]

Allow me to welcome you to hell.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11126&sid=1

Oh Good Gods.  It's the Wellspring of Lern2Play Techologies.

[Oban]

Anyway...  I do not want to waste board space by rehashing what has already been said before, but here are some of my thoughts.

I did enjoy the expansion quite a bit.  The dungeons were new and refreshing, the additional factions gave me something to play towards and the push away from forty man raids was a nice break.  I played the five man dungeons to death.

But, as soon as I did my first Kar run, I realized that this expansion was not for me. 

What has really turned me off is the fact that there is no new loot for me to aspire to at this point in the game.

As I looked to the tier four and five sets I was taken aback by the fact that they were not really upgrades from my tier3 loot.  My level 70 pvp crossbow is actually a step down from my bwl crossbow.  Sure, I did get some nice rings, a trinket and a cloak, but there are no armour/weapon upgrades for me.  (Plus, that tier 5 hunter set looks god awful.)

WoW is no longer a game I will subscribe to, but I will be back for the next expansion.

[Paelos]

I'm pissed at the game at the moment because I feel like I've hit a wall. My old BWL/MC/whatever gear getting knocked out doesn't bother me, because it was always boring as shit to farm for things for me. I liked new boss fights and new challenges. I DON'T like grinding through trash four times in an evening to get shots on a boss, which is why Karazhan is pissing me off.

Note to Blizzard, high respawn rates don't make a place harder, they make it really really annoying. You put in 2 hour respawns in five mans, and 30 minutes in Karazhan? Were you high? Stop it.

[Jayce]

I'm pissed at the game at the moment because I feel like I've hit a wall. My old BWL/MC/whatever gear getting knocked out doesn't bother me, because it was always boring as shit to farm for things for me. I liked new boss fights and new challenges. I DON'T like grinding through trash four times in an evening to get shots on a boss, which is why Karazhan is pissing me off.

Note to Blizzard, high respawn rates don't make a place harder, they make it really really annoying. You put in 2 hour respawns in five mans, and 30 minutes in Karazhan? Were you high? Stop it.

I was going to agree in the other thread but it seemed more appropriate in this one.

You would have thought that they learned their lesson with ZG.  They toned down the amount of trash there and it really brought up the quality of the instance.  A lot of people really appreciate Ony because there are grand total of two trash mobs.

The lesson should be that trash is TEH BAD except when it has a specific purpose besides pissing off the playerbase.

[ClydeJr]

So far I'm really liking the hell out of the expansion. My guild is very casual, not uber at all. We can beat ZG on a good day. We can clear most of AQ20. The farthest we ever made it in MC was Geddon. My warrior's gear was a mixture of T0, T0.5, and random other stuff. He was about the 4th best geared warrior in the guild. We had one warrior that transferred onto our server from another that was deck out in mostly T2. At the end of last year, the top 2 warriors stopped playing but said they'd probably be back for the expansion. While I wish I could have gotten better gear, I'm content with what I got.

Enter the expansion. The other top warrior still playing doesn't have as much time I do to play. Next thing I know, I'm the top warrior in the guild. I'm getting some pretty incredible gear from drops and quests. Every time I log in, within 15 minutes one of the hunters (for some reason its always a hunter) asks if I want to run something. I'm now level 70, just finished clearing the soloable quests in Netherstorm and haven't even touched SMV. I've seen the inside of all the 5 mans, currently working on the Karazhan key. I'm having a blast in the expansion and I know half of it is because of the new stuff and the other half is because I'm playing with a group of people that are just having a bunch of fun.

Although to be honest, I still want to go back and hit the old world dungeons. I've seen half of MC and none of BWL, AQ40, or Naxx. I know we'll completely overwhelm most of the trash and none of the gear will probably be worth anything to me, but I still want to see all that. I want to kick Onyxia's ass. I want to stick Nef's head on stick. I want to screw up on C'thun and get the whole raid wiped. That's a ton of content that I still want to see from the old world plus all the new BC content.

[Paelos]

I'm pissed at the game at the moment because I feel like I've hit a wall. My old BWL/MC/whatever gear getting knocked out doesn't bother me, because it was always boring as shit to farm for things for me. I liked new boss fights and new challenges. I DON'T like grinding through trash four times in an evening to get shots on a boss, which is why Karazhan is pissing me off.

Note to Blizzard, high respawn rates don't make a place harder, they make it really really annoying. You put in 2 hour respawns in five mans, and 30 minutes in Karazhan? Were you high? Stop it.

I was going to agree in the other thread but it seemed more appropriate in this one.

You would have thought that they learned their lesson with ZG.  They toned down the amount of trash there and it really brought up the quality of the instance.  A lot of people really appreciate Ony because there are grand total of two trash mobs.

The lesson should be that trash is TEH BAD except when it has a specific purpose besides pissing off the playerbase.

Don't get me wrong, I love the trash in Karazhan. It's well done, mildly tough, and spaced out so that I'm not pulling down the house on the group constantly when something walks by. What I hate is fighting is again and again and again every half hour because we wiped twice on Moroes and our SS was down.

Blizzard can keep as many mobs as they have in there as long as they tone down the respawn timer, and we'd be fine. Or they could take about 1/3 of the mobs out of there and keep the timer the way it is. Either way, we'd be better off.

[Merusk]

(for some reason its always a hunter) asks if I want to run something.

It's always a hunter because we don't get fucking groups if we're not the ones starting them.  The combo of the current 'conventional wisdom' that our DPS is shit, the number of hunters out there and the old adages that hunters are ninja lootwhores who wipe groups,  we get the short end on the instancing stick a lot.

[Modern Angel]

All some very good posts and so much of what's said touches on why I'm feeling burned out. I can't point to a "main" reason because it's bits and pieces from everyone's experiences.

I've never been bleeding edge content and am in a casual raiding group. We got to Chromaggus in BWL after an inordinate amount of time, cleared MC/AQ20/ZG. We have about half of Karazhan down. But it really struck me in a conversation with an ex-officer the other day over email: there's no room for a sort of raiding guild in this game. I'd argue that there's less place for us than there is for a guild that's content with BRD 2.0 for the next year.

I can sniff the top of the game but I'll never reach it. At some point you're either nice or good in this game (except for a few very special exceptions) and we'd rather be nice. So the thought of topping out in another three or four months only to farm stuff for another year every weekend is lurking just over the horizon and I don't think I want to do it.

I could be surprised. I could change my mind. Right now, though, I'm looking at staying subbed for another couple months and then giving something else a try, I think. Maybe a little casual EQ2 for a new flavor of diku, maybe through myself back into musty historical simulations, maybe rediscover shooters... fuck, maybe random arenas with my friends in GW. Just... not this. Not farming MC again.

And I understand where Calantus is coming from. For good or ill (mostly ill) this game played a large part in my life. The expansion and the soft reset broke the reverie. That's a GOOD thing. I can play EU3 more often.

[Morat20]

(for some reason its always a hunter) asks if I want to run something.

It's always a hunter because we don't get fucking groups if we're not the ones starting them.  The combo of the current 'conventional wisdom' that our DPS is shit, the number of hunters out there and the old adages that hunters are ninja lootwhores who wipe groups,  we get the short end on the instancing stick a lot.

No fucking kidding. Another hunter and I duo a lot, and groups were a bitch to get together until the guild got to know us. Steady and high DPS, good pet control (we were quick to offtank adds and save squishies), and decent CC with traps.

All we lacked was AoE, although we managed that at times.

Funnest run I can remember was a live Strat run where we had two hunters, a warrior, and a priest. The warrior was tanking the end boss and got MC'd -- our pets took up the slack, and we burned him down so fast he never got off his final transform. This was before we had T1 gear -- we were rolling in bits of T0.

[Paelos]

(for some reason its always a hunter) asks if I want to run something.

It's always a hunter because we don't get fucking groups if we're not the ones starting them.  The combo of the current 'conventional wisdom' that our DPS is shit, the number of hunters out there and the old adages that hunters are ninja lootwhores who wipe groups,  we get the short end on the instancing stick a lot.

I've had about 10 hunters in and out of my old raiding group, and they all had one thing is common (except one), MAJOR personality flaws. One out of ten actually spoke about the raid on topic, didn't banter about uselessly, didn't bitch about raid slots, or didn't say obsene crap that offended me or the raid. So, in my experience, 10% of the hunters were people I could actually handle in the long run. That's not to say it's standard everywhere, or that they couldn't play their class, which they did quit well. It just seems that it's one of those class types that attracts social rejects quite frequently. I pretty much write off anyone now who is a Night Elf hunter as an idiot until they prove otherwise.

For me it was never about utility, it was not wanting to deal with their shit.

[pants]

I pretty much write off anyone now who is a Night Elf hunter as an idiot until they prove otherwise.

Having recently switched from a Tauren hunter to a Gnome warrior - that ol cliche seems to be very true.  And night elf rogues too, come to think of it.  It seems like the combination of Legolazz + Mad DPS! = fucktard in the vast majority of cases.  I've also come to find the same thing with Dwarf Paladins - dunno why - but they all seem to be 14 year old lootwhores.

After 2+ years as Horde, it still feels weird grouping with Paladins.  Still, at least I don't have to worry about the hordes of belfs - I can just imagine what angsty emo FOTM elves are like to group with...

[Rasix]

(for some reason its always a hunter) asks if I want to run something.

It's always a hunter because we don't get fucking groups if we're not the ones starting them.  The combo of the current 'conventional wisdom' that our DPS is shit, the number of hunters out there and the old adages that hunters are ninja lootwhores who wipe groups,  we get the short end on the instancing stick a lot.

Interesting hunter-quasi-on-topic-aside: there's a thread on general forums the other day (yes, I know, I should know better) on someone telling people to stop yelling "HEAL ME", when they apparently thing the healer isn't paying them enough attention.  I offered up my usual solution, say the following "Ask for a heal, and you'll get a rez." 

Some random hunter replied with "Enjoy your misdirection".  Heh, I wanted to point out to him that a hunter doing that would get booted in a second or enjoy being screamed at by his group as I port out and leave them scraping for a healer.  Of course, there's the possibility that he'd never do something like this, while I enjoy watching a rogue eat dirt after pleading to me for his life  Maybe I should just install the Sympathy addon.

Heh, but that's (the "heal me" crap) a whole other sidebar.  Don't necessarily want to derail this down that path.

Note: I actually like hunters and like having them in my groups.  They make instances easier even if their DPS isn't quite as impressive anymore.

[Nebu]

Interesting hunter-quasi-on-topic-aside: there's a thread on general forums the other day (yes, I know, I should know better) on someone telling people to stop yelling "HEAL ME", when they apparently thing the healer isn't paying them enough attention.  I offered up my usual solution, say the following "Ask for a heal, and you'll get a rez." 

In games where people would cry for heals, we'd often make our counterpoint by having the healers yell at the melee classes to "Hit the mob" or to casters to "Cast a spell".  I think they got the point that healers know when to heal and when they don't they often have a good reason why they didn't.

[Morat20]

Interesting hunter-quasi-on-topic-aside: there's a thread on general forums the other day (yes, I know, I should know better) on someone telling people to stop yelling "HEAL ME", when they apparently thing the healer isn't paying them enough attention.  I offered up my usual solution, say the following "Ask for a heal, and you'll get a rez." 

In games where people would cry for heals, we'd often make our counterpoint by having the healers yell at the melee classes to "Hit the mob" or to casters to "Cast a spell".  I think they got the point that healers know when to heal and when they don't they often have a good reason why they didn't.

About the only time I ask for heals is for my pet -- you'd think the priest I just yanked a mob off (because of adds, or because the fucking warrior wasn't doing his job) with my pet would realize that all that's standing between him and the coveted #1 spot on the hate list is my pet would at least toss a heal that way.

Got past that when I joined a guilt -- if our pets have off tanking duty, a healer is generally tasked to handle them. About the only problem I had after that was one pull in MC -- none of the Hunters (at the time) could take the DoT damage that got inflicted on the pull. The people assigned to keep the tanks up took several tries before they realized it was good to go ahead and whip those damn DoTs off the pullers.

All we frankly needed was a single cleanse -- we could pot, bandage, and HS through the rest. (It was easier to bubble, cleanse us after the DoT's took, and throw a HoT on us as the tanks too aggro -- ended up being an easy fight once all the hunters stopped dying on the pull. And the tanks learned to pull the priests to the right spot).

I wonder if life on an RP server is different, though -- I only played with a pair of Nelf Hunters (both guildies in a guild that catered to older folks) and they were just fine. I did get the occasional idjit spamming LFG who wanted DPS, and didn't think Hunters offered it...

[Nebu]

I wonder if life on an RP server is different, though -- I only played with a pair of Nelf Hunters (both guildies in a guild that catered to older folks) and they were just fine. I did get the occasional idjit spamming LFG who wanted DPS, and didn't think Hunters offered it...

I spent a few weeks leveling on an RP server... not because I like to RP, but I like to get away from all the kiddies and guys with names like Xxmasterslayahxx.  I think only like 10% of the server population even knew what the "RP" stood for.   

[Morat20]

I wonder if life on an RP server is different, though -- I only played with a pair of Nelf Hunters (both guildies in a guild that catered to older folks) and they were just fine. I did get the occasional idjit spamming LFG who wanted DPS, and didn't think Hunters offered it...

I spent a few weeks leveling on an RP server... not because I like to RP, but I like to get away from all the kiddies and guys with names like Xxmasterslayahxx.  I think only like 10% of the server population even knew what the "RP" stood for.   

Good Guild > All. The usual story, I guess.

[Nebu]

Good Guild > All. The usual story, I guess.

Good people make the game in MMO's.  Sadly, my willingness to meet new people in MMO's has all but vanished and none of my old gaming friends play WoW.

[Miasma]

I wonder if life on an RP server is different, though -- I only played with a pair of Nelf Hunters (both guildies in a guild that catered to older folks) and they were just fine. I did get the occasional idjit spamming LFG who wanted DPS, and didn't think Hunters offered it...

I spent a few weeks leveling on an RP server... not because I like to RP, but I like to get away from all the kiddies and guys with names like Xxmasterslayahxx.  I think only like 10% of the server population even knew what the "RP" stood for.   

I started on the Earthen Ring RP server at launch (also to avoid idiots, not to RP) and there was some role playing going on, now almost two years later there isn't even the slightest pretense of RP anywhere, the RPers seem to have given up and only do it in their guilds I assume.  They used to always talk with ((ooc comments in these double brackets)) and I have yet to see anyone do that.  The only reminder I have that I'm on an RP server is the whining about name violations.

[Morat20]

I spent a few weeks leveling on an RP server... not because I like to RP, but I like to get away from all the kiddies and guys with names like Xxmasterslayahxx.  I think only like 10% of the server population even knew what the "RP" stood for.   

I started on the Earthen Ring RP server at launch (also to avoid idiots, not to RP) and there was some role playing going on, now almost two years later there isn't even the slightest pretense of RP anywhere, the RPers seem to have given up and only do it in their guilds I assume.  They used to always talk with ((ooc comments in these double brackets)) and I have yet to see anyone do that.  The only reminder I have that I'm on an RP server is the whining about name violations.

I think "RP" tends to mean more "Less idiots" these days. Or at least, the fond hopes for less idiots. I see a lot more Role-playing type events on Argent Dawn -- parades, Guild Events, and the usual -- that I did on PvE servers.

On the other hand -- still lots of jokey names and no real RP, but eh, can't have everything. I actually got into my current guild because a friend's guild (the reason I rolled on that server) didn't take Warlocks for RP reasons, and my wife's main was a Warlock. She suggested my current Guild, which I'm very fond of.

[lamaros]

(for some reason its always a hunter) asks if I want to run something.

It's always a hunter because we don't get fucking groups if we're not the ones starting them.  The combo of the current 'conventional wisdom' that our DPS is shit, the number of hunters out there and the old adages that hunters are ninja lootwhores who wipe groups,  we get the short end on the instancing stick a lot.

Actually it's because most hunters cannot play their class for shit. A decent hunter will always get group invites, especialy for heroics! I'm not babysitting any random hunters who do 1/4 of my DPS though.

A hunter who can use all their skills properly and do decent DPS is alwesome. A hunter who can't is worse than 4-manning it (Yeah, pull aggro then FD it on to the casters/healer! Break your own trap with autoshot! Don't Retrap! Don't learn how to kite!)

[Lantyssa]

The problem with RP servers is players get funneled to them when new just like any other server.  Kirin Tor was "new" for like five months.  Even my RP guild barely does these days (and what they do is so bad I want to gag).  I pretty much gave up.

I really wish some of the specialty servers were hidden a few links down so only those of us who want to be on one are going to drill down far enough to find them.  I know it's elitist, but RP is dead with what we've been given.

[Azazel]

I mean, if people were that uber, why would they need a visible medal for their own self-worth? Still got your orange weapon? Still got your Benediction? There's your "I was uber before BC broke my life" dick-waving tool right there. Pull it out at parties and impress all the girls.

Um, except that's just showing off your 1950's Classic Bentley when someone is driving around in KITT.

Yeah, that's right. (You) got your pre-BC uber items back before BC. Whatthefuckdo(you)want?

They were talking about wanting dick-measuring devices to show off the fact that they previously had the game's largest e-peens since their previous raid catassery means nothing now. They got their Bentleys back in the 1950's. If people are driving KITT now, then catass your way back to Mr Hasselhoff and get one of that's what you want to wave.

My orange weapon is rotting on a warrior I may never play again.  Meanwhile my new main is a 33 mage on the opposite faction, currently carrying the arcanist dagger from the ghostlands and a robe I got off a murloc.  I guess that shows what I care about uber loot.

Clearly then, you're not one I was speaking to. Thanks for telling us you have an orange weapon though.  

[I've had about 10 hunters in and out of my old raiding group, and they all had one thing is common (except one), MAJOR personality flaws. <snip>
For me it was never about utility, it was not wanting to deal with their shit.

Yeah, again, I'll have to agree with Paelos. I don't like hunters in general and on principle. Despite the fact that my first character was in fact a NE hunter. Just too many-to-most of them are either fucking idiots who can't control their pets or are just fucking idiots or just can't control their pets (no, I don't want to see your fucking "Asshat tells kitty to attack a %t" macro on every fucking mob in the place). Probably if I'd had at any stage a regular or semi-regular group member who was a hunter and not a fucking waste of space I wouldn't mind them so much, but until that happens, I'll pass on hunters as often as possible unless they come with a high recommendation from someone I trust. Which is rare. No problems with their DPS or anything like that though.

NE rogues often share the same quality of personality, but at least they're less likely to wipe the group because they still don't know how to control their fucking pets.

On "Heal Me!"~

Rasix - having played a tank in EQ for years, I can tell you I rarely told a healer to "heal me" but when I did, it was usually just before I died anyway because the healer was an incompetent fucktard who was only able to get groups because they were a healer. Being EQ1, I'd then have to wait for a rez from that fucktard healer before logging off for the evening.

Nebu - sometimes the healer is just a fucktard. That applies equally for every class, and healers aren't immune at all.

[lamaros]

I say "heal the fucking tank! keep him up" in raid sometimes - not because our healers are crappy or wern't doing that. You just get into a focus and say obvious stuff because you want to get the boss down.

[Rasix]

Rasix - having played a tank in EQ for years, I can tell you I rarely told a healer to "heal me" but when I did, it was usually just before I died anyway because the healer was an incompetent fucktard who was only able to get groups because they were a healer. Being EQ1, I'd then have to wait for a rez from that fucktard healer before logging off for the evening.

Gyah, like I said, not my intention to derail down this line, but whatever.. this thread is all over the place. 

Saying "heal me" doesn't matter.  Either the healer sucks and you're going down anyways or the healer knows what he's doing and all you're doing is pissing him off.  The reasons someone isn't getting a heal can be rather complicated also.  Hell, I could need a heal.  Something could be hitting me in the face! The rogue might have been near death and you just got an odd damage spike in the meantime (this shit aint instant, I'm a shaman). 

And if you know the healer isn't up the task, you're going to know pretty early on.  Sorry, you're screwed.  No amount of "heal me" is going to mend their terrible ways.

Giving someone a helpful pointer like "be prepared to heal me after I sap this" or "there's going to be a lot of burst damage when this starts, be ready" is fine.  "Heal me" is just generic, insulting and makes you look like a paniced moron. 

I mean really, even in the example you gave it was a pointless exercise. 

Edit: Raids are different beasts all together.  I've never heard a raid tank yell "heal me". Heard plenty of "HOW THE FUCK DID THE OFFTANK DIE AGAIN, DAMN IT".

[ClydeJr]

(for some reason its always a hunter) asks if I want to run something.

It's always a hunter because we don't get fucking groups if we're not the ones starting them.  The combo of the current 'conventional wisdom' that our DPS is shit, the number of hunters out there and the old adages that hunters are ninja lootwhores who wipe groups,  we get the short end on the instancing stick a lot.

I guess my guild is blessed with pretty decent hunters then. They are the ones who are marking up targets for CC before each pull and almost always do the initial pulling. Their pet off-tanks one and they trap a second. Depending on the combination of saps, sheeps, shackles, and sleeps available, that usually leaves 1-2 for me to tank. Hell, I often tank with 2 hunters in the group. 2 peta and 2 traps mean 4 mobs out of the way. That makes the trash real easy to handle.

[Morat20]

(for some reason its always a hunter) asks if I want to run something.

It's always a hunter because we don't get fucking groups if we're not the ones starting them.  The combo of the current 'conventional wisdom' that our DPS is shit, the number of hunters out there and the old adages that hunters are ninja lootwhores who wipe groups,  we get the short end on the instancing stick a lot.

I guess my guild is blessed with pretty decent hunters then. They are the ones who are marking up targets for CC before each pull and almost always do the initial pulling. Their pet off-tanks one and they trap a second. Depending on the combination of saps, sheeps, shackles, and sleeps available, that usually leaves 1-2 for me to tank. Hell, I often tank with 2 hunters in the group. 2 peta and 2 traps mean 4 mobs out of the way. That makes the trash real easy to handle.

A properly specced BM pet can make a damn good tank -- can't stand toe-to-toe with bosses, and really suffers from AoE cleaves and the like -- but I've saved more squishies than I can count with well timed intimidates.

[Calantus]

I say "heal the fucking tank! keep him up" in raid sometimes - not because our healers are crappy or wern't doing that. You just get into a focus and say obvious stuff because you want to get the boss down.

You actually have to do that a lot of the time anyway. Healers will often figure the tank is fine and go heal some other people or regen some mana. Which is fine, but often a few healers get that thought at the same time, which is not. "Heal the tank!" snaps them back to healing him until the next time they can't seem to land heals. It's very noticeable as a healer when it's happening too, you can just feel that suddenly not enough people are healing the tank. It does get annoying as hell when you're fighting a mob with spike damage and some non-healer raid leader will say "HEAL THE TANK ZOMG". Yeah... there's this thing called shadowburn/mortal strike/unbalancing strike/etc that does like 90% of the tank's HP and it just happened, but thanks for the heads up!

I accept "heal me" from any regular tank because they eventually learn to figure out when you're not paying attention. When I'm confident in the tank I'll sometimes slack off because healing a good warrior tanking a normal instance in great gear gets boring as crap, and so I'll be in my inventory screen or chatting away and not notice that they're in trouble so the call is useful. My brother especially when playing tank knows exactly when I'll usually wind up/land a heal and will pipe up if he's low and it hasn't happened yet. It's only randoms saying it that piss me off because I've got a reason for not healing them yet 99% of the time, and since they don't know my healing style they have no way of knowing.

I'm all for non-confrontational derails after the 1st or 2nd page. :mrgreen:

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About the only time I ask for heals is for my pet -- you'd think the priest I just yanked a mob off (because of adds, or because the fucking warrior wasn't doing his job) with my pet would realize that all that's standing between him and the coveted #1 spot on the hate list is my pet would at least toss a heal that way.

For regular 5 man stuff - what is the healing ability of a hunter like to heal his own pet?  If his mana bar is full - should the priest heal or should the hunter not assume that responsibility?