War

[Endie]

Heh..PL just lost a titan that logged off aggressed.  This is why those scrubs would never get into Goonswarm...

[eldaec]

Evil Thug reacts to Kenny posting in the caod thread about the titan kill...

**** you. You are nothing without us. We, Yoh Sha, Ivan Wise, Fighter Killer, Kir Laeda, and me, ET, is ****ing nothing. Its only happened only when we decided to check how badly you are sucking against PL. BUT ! You did awesome. You ****d PL titan. So now we are freaking uber. And this is official. TRUE STORY

Presumably drunk posting, but it's somehow turned the whole event into a Goon&co moral victory.   

[Thrawn]

I get told a PL titan died and I'm a bit shocked.  I get told it died because the pilot never loaded grid and when he logged he had agression, I'm much less suprised.

But as for the -A- hates Kenny hates -A- porn we keep getting.  I don't believe it, they are laying it on way to thick.  I suspect it's their attempt at trolling. 

[Phildo]

I know that Titan pilot 

[Sir T]

Kenny tower in A-E down. Will post battle report later when I'm not falling asleep. The outraged smack in local later was hilarious though. Apparently we don't really control Delve and moon sov means nothing. 

[Pezzle]

After a long period of dormancy CVA has become active in an area that brought many of us together back in the old days.  Harvesting the sorrow of low sec pirates!  Several towers have been destroyed in the last few weeks.  Now we have actually started declaring war.  We have not done that in years.   Respectable levels of ultraviolence have ensued.  Pirate carriers have been camped into stations without mercy!  Most recently no less than 5 Navy Megas were destroyed in a nice close range slugfest.  Most of these fights are 15-30 per side.  It is almost enough to get me pvping again!

[Quinton]

After a long period of dormancy CVA has become active in an area that brought many of us together back in the old days.  Harvesting the sorrow of low sec pirates!  Several towers have been destroyed in the last few weeks.  Now we have actually started declaring war.  We have not done that in years.   Respectable levels of ultraviolence have ensued.  Pirate carriers have been camped into stations without mercy!  Most recently no less than 5 Navy Megas were destroyed in a nice close range slugfest.  Most of these fights are 15-30 per side.  It is almost enough to get me pvping again!

Pirates destroyed CVA towers?

[rand]

After a long period of dormancy CVA has become active in an area that brought many of us together back in the old days.  Harvesting the sorrow of low sec pirates!  Several towers have been destroyed in the last few weeks.  Now we have actually started declaring war.  We have not done that in years.   Respectable levels of ultraviolence have ensued.  Pirate carriers have been camped into stations without mercy!  Most recently no less than 5 Navy Megas were destroyed in a nice close range slugfest.  Most of these fights are 15-30 per side.  It is almost enough to get me pvping again!

have you heard of the evil pirates of AAA? i heard evil thug said something nasty about the amarr empire, you should do something about that

[Meester]

Looks like Legion of Death had a capital battle with Atlas Alliance. 22 Atlas capitals lost including a mothership with about 20 Legion capitals destroyed.

[Endie]

Almost simultaneously with the Good Russians doing that in the east, a coalition fleet under Razor control took down the last Frontal Impact tower in their TN25 station system that was needed to break their sov in a week.

Regarding the Death vs Atlas fight, here is uaxDeath's report for the GF.com boards (remember he is Russian):

We were planing to fuck up AAA poses as usual, but Atlas (hi bobby) had an gang that was few jumps away my guys were just logging for CTA, so they were looking to jump to 46dp where i had titans, few of them jumped and we launched bubled, first titan DD missed, Second one hit some poeople there and here no major loses for atlas, after a while they taclked our bait carrier inside of t2 large buble and were trying to kill it, than i sent another titan erebus that got taclked and rapier from atlas open up a cyno and fight began, i sent another titan to clear the bubles, did a nice DD, Rag warped out but Erebus were still going down, after a while by organized worked we maged to warp him out, and the rest u can see on kill board, we were heavly outnumbered, but we stand our ground.

[rand]

http://img.waffleimages.com/196d719bf11aab3b9896dcb65dd5414c0bf1bb25/20090418181559.jpg

[Pezzle]

No, CVA smashing up Pirate towers and shooting some of your favorite people.  Like Atlas!

[Sir T]

Actually I was in empire today and the amount of AAA friegters wandering around was just silly

[Pax]

Sadly, there is no real point wardeccing -A- or AAA Citizens to gank their freighters - they'll just leave the alliance and still do logistics work.
Unless anyone declares a -100 members on Dotlan a moral victory 

[Trigona]

I've been fighting with Shiva, a Morsus Mihi (MM) corp in TN25 for the past week or so and what is immediately apparent is the total lack of effort from Frontal Impact (FI), the system owner in defending their space.  The only inroads made against us have been when Kenny, Barbie (GBC) and AAA have occasionally blobbed us during their TZ. 

Last night saw a resounding defeat for the GBC as they attempted to rep posses in TN25.  Several of their carriers and lots of support died with little to show for it.  This was due to the arrival of a goon and razor fleet that tipped the balance well in our favour, with AAA not up for supporting the GBC in TN on that particular night.  Whether AAA is tiring of supporting the GBC or whether it's just a short break is something that I'm not aware of.

Often there will be 20-30 MM in system, being unchallenged by FI and allowed to do whatever we like.  This reeks of failure cascade and is a very bad sign for the long term future of Kenny and Barbs in Period Basis.  Even a small alliance like FI should be able to consistently get those sort of numbers (20-50) into a station system they own and continually contest it; retreating when a red blob arrives

[trevorreznik]

i'm actually surprised that tn25 is even being fought over

[Phildo]

Frontal Impact having sov anywhere doesn't matter much, does it?  Not like they can jump-bridge it between Kenzoku systems.

[Endie]

I've been fighting with Shiva, a Morsus Mihi (MM) corp in TN25 for the past week or so and what is immediately apparent is the total lack of effort from Frontal Impact (FI), the system owner in defending their space.  The only inroads made against us have been when Kenny, Barbie (GBC) and AAA have occasionally blobbed us during their TZ. 

Last night saw a resounding defeat for the GBC as they attempted to rep posses in TN25.  Several of their carriers and lots of support died with little to show for it.  This was due to the arrival of a goon and razor fleet that tipped the balance well in our favour, with AAA not up for supporting the GBC in TN on that particular night.  Whether AAA is tiring of supporting the GBC or whether it's just a short break is something that I'm not aware of.

Often there will be 20-30 MM in system, being unchallenged by FI and allowed to do whatever we like.  This reeks of failure cascade and is a very bad sign for the long term future of Kenny and Barbs in Period Basis.  Even a small alliance like FI should be able to consistently get those sort of numbers (20-50) into a station system they own and continually contest it; retreating when a red blob arrives

Thank goodness we finally have a Northerner to tell us wtf when they do stuff.

I agree that Frontal Impact seem to have rapidly buckled, and that their logistics team seem to have been shown up a bit in the last few days (towers going offline due to lack of fuel in a target system is not usually a sign of good things).

Frontal Impact having sov anywhere doesn't matter much, does it?  Not like they can jump-bridge it between Kenzoku systems.

Prestige and morale (as well you know!)

That said, judging from the black ops deployment a while back there were still some of their people using their space, so it wasn't the case that they were all living in lowsec and that the outposts were having no effect on their cohesion beyond the theoretical.  I'd see them in TPAR when I was running that place for a while, in decent numbers: I used to check their corp histories, and they were an odd mix of corps which had never been in any other alliance in two years, corps who were in Styx (the first of whom has now left), and individuals gleaned from the same old usual suspects that we've been throwing out of their space since Tenerifis.

It'll be interesting to see what happens after they lose the first station: if the second one just melts then that will not bode well for their cohesion.  But if they hold on without cracking for another fortnight or more after being attacked (very do-able even when outnumbered, if you have morale and aggressive logistics people) then that'll be a good sign of resilience on their part.  You never know without reading their forums, and while I bet we have some great chat porn incoming from FI, we've not seen it yet.

[Yoru]

In a more micro-scale update, I bubbled some fuckers over the weekend so that a fleet could jump in and pound on them. I died, but so did they.

I have to say that kamikaze-warping towards a hostile fleet with a pimply teenager yelling at you on teamspeak to get the fucking bubble up already jesus come on come on OKAY WWWW GO GO GO - is fairly exciting. I'll have to run out my cache of dictors at some point.

[Endie]

That whole op (if it is the one I ran) ended up (although not in a planned way) as us fucking up a large Kenny/Barbie fleet.

The details aren't hugely important, but about fifteen of us from F13 were doing offensive logistics in Querious.  Just over fifty hostiles turned up and started trying to disrupt us, so I called up DBRB with the tempting prospect of an ambush: our comms system is pretty stellar at getting info like this to the right people, fast, and without shitting up TS or using the horrible eve client.  Fleet formed up nearby, we scouted a system to bridge into, cynoed them in unseen, bubbled the hostiles with dictors from two of our posters (at which point the hostiles must have thought we were going to try and snipe one of them), and fifty friendlies poured in.  Even numbers fights against Kenny/Barbie fleets, especially with the element of surprise, are foregone conclusions, so much raep ensued.  Sadly, most of use were either suiciding dictors, waiting in haulers, cynoing in fleets or, in my case, in an unarmed moa of all things (I was killed four times that night!) with four LSEs fitted, onlining the tower.  But we did get on a bunch of kills, anyway.

Almost exactly a year ago I took many of the same people to Delve and the most expensive ship we had was Amarr's interceptor.  This time it was a mixed capital/T2 fleet with some newbies in rifters and things.  We're like a microcosm of GF.

[Jayce]

For those not keeping track, DBRB is a Goon FC (Dabigredboat).

I was personally involved, and it was indeed a good time.  It was one of those fights that makes the whole Eve experience worth it through the sometimes boring parts.

Also, thanks to our excellent jumpbridge network, I was able to get back into the fight while it was still going on after losing my interceptor.  Remember, kids, never dual box two fast ships in combat.

[Slayerik]

I've been fighting with Shiva, a Morsus Mihi (MM) corp in TN25 for the past week or so and what is immediately apparent is the total lack of effort from Frontal Impact (FI), the system owner in defending their space.  The only inroads made against us have been when Kenny, Barbie (GBC) and AAA have occasionally blobbed us during their TZ. 

Welcome Shiva guy, I have fought you guys on and off for years with Viper Squad...and Shiva have always proven to bring it. One of the Northern corps I really do respect.

[Quinton]

Fleet formed up nearby, we scouted a system to bridge into, cynoed them in unseen, bubbled the hostiles with dictors from two of our posters (at which point the hostiles must have thought we were going to try and snipe one of them), and fifty friendlies poured in. 

The amazing part was that the enemy had scouts in all 3 adjoining systems (the target system was cyno-jammed).  We were just about ready to accept that we'd have to potentially lose some of the element of surprise when one of their scouts left.  I moved to that system, lit the cyno right on the gate into the target system, the fleet bridged on top of me, and as soon as we got bubbles down they jumped through.  Listening to the carnage on teamspeak was a lot of fun.

[Yoru]

That whole op (if it is the one I ran) ended up (although not in a planned way) as us fucking up a large Kenny/Barbie fleet.

Yes, that was your op. It became a sort-of general op after the Goon masses joined us. It was critically important that we had been watching that area for about 2 hours prior to phoning up and receiving fleet support, as we had scouts in place everywhere and were able to direct them to an unscouted system within 60 seconds of it becoming un-scouted by the enemy. If they'd seen that huge fleet in local, I expect they would've buggered off as soon as our dictors hit warp.

[Endie]

For those who aren't in the F13 bloc, we do this sort of thing quite a bit these days.  I must say, after we held down literally half of ROL for the best part of two months it is nice, this time, being up against people who won't simply sell forty more timecards to finance putting up 26 larges to our 25 to defend their space.

For those heathens who are uninterested in our little ops, the coalition killed two more R64 moons today in Russian timezones, with AAA showing up in time to stop us replacing one of them.  The other, however, is ours, which means we have taken over a third of Kenny's R64 moons this week.  That's tens of billions a month in income.  They are, in fact, losing even more since we have their remaining R64 moons pretty-much perma-reinforced these days, during which they make no money for the couple of days until they come out of reinforced mode.  The intriguing thing is that Kenny has been timing their towers in the last few days to Russian timezones, and therefore not really showing up themselves for defence, but leaving AAA to do it for them.  This muust be veeery popular.

As of this morning, we had thirty hostile towers in reinforced, as opposed to only one of ours.  I am pretty certain that Frontal Impact will have lost sov in one Period Basis station system today (TN25) and, although it is all so rushed it's hard to be sure, I think that the other is teetering on the edge, too.

Edit:

To stress the gap in wealth involved, Goonfleet holds 32 R64 moons in PB/Delve/Querious, all of which are producing ISK.  On top of those, we have given 12 to Razor, Zaf, KIA and PL (who also own five in nearby Aridia).  All of these are also in production.  This represents immense wealth.  Kenny, by comparison, hold nine (down from 15 a week ago), of which only two are normally producing any ISK for them.  Exe, FI and others are funding their war efforts without any high-end moons, and at the end of a huge logistical chain, which may help explain why Beachboys are going to lose their outpost system to a couple of days' spam, and why FI are failing to fuel their ones and will have lost both shortly.

[trevorreznik]

how many r64s did bob have before the 49- offensive?   are you knocking them lower now than before, or is this just reversing gains made by kenzoku during the last month?

[amiable]

how many r64s did bob have before the 49- offensive?   are you knocking them lower now than before, or is this just reversing gains made by kenzoku AAA during the last month?

Fixed.  This is a proxy war at this point.  To be honest when AAA and friends are firing on all cylinders and we have no allied support we start welping, when AAA is nowhere to be found we start graping.  When we both have allies on board it tends to stalemate.  Kenzoku is functionally dead (not to say they couldn't be reborn), everyone in the know is aware of this.

[Murgos]

how many r64s did bob have before the 49- offensive?   are you knocking them lower now than before, or is this just reversing gains made by kenzoku during the last month?

It was probably kenny going all out to get their hands on more R64's that tipped us that we we're missing a strategic part of this campaign.  I'm not saying the directorate was unaware of just how many R64's Kenny had left or what that meant but at the general goonie level it wasn't something we, or at least I, were paying attention too.  To the grunts, or to me anyway, it looked like we were just dithering over 49-, on the catch border, and the thing was done but for the clean up.

Once it became clear that it was the R64 income kenny was getting was helping to drag this campaign out long past what would otherwise be it's natural conclusion participation has came back sharply.  Though, of course, that could also have just been natural burnout and recovery from the previous months of sustained ops.

To answer your question though, from what I understand the R64's from the Kenny push have all reverted back to GS and we've snatched up all or almost everything that we'd ignored in PB leaving a good chunk of the few remaining Querious R64's in RF.

Really, that's got to hurt the Kenny directorates morale, if your getting 200+ bil a month there are a LOT of options you can exercise as an alliance.  To watch that income get slashed to 1/10th that, or less, in the space of a few days has got to be painful.  Good-bye cap replacement programs, tower spam and etc...

Fake edit: It also occurs to me that -A- may have bought in with the expectation that their losses would be, at least partially, offset by RKZ funds.  Whoops.

tl;dr: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1054371 (The Mittani shares all our secrets)

[Meester]

The wars are not over yet but it will be interesting to see what happens after.

Is AAA, Stain Empire & Allies and Red Overlord the next objective? Will the next assaults be into Catch after AAA, Paragon Soul or attacking Stain Empire holdings in Stain?

[Endie]

The wars are not over yet but it will be interesting to see what happens after.

Is AAA, Stain Empire & Allies and Red Overlord the next objective? Will the next assaults be into Catch after AAA, Paragon Soul or attacking Stain Empire holdings in Stain?

I doubt it.  Especially Stain.  NPC space isn't fun to invade.

[Meester]

Well you might not have to worry about Red Overlord spamming towers anymore if their leader is an aluminium billionaire. By December he may well be living in a cardboard box due to the slump in aluminium prices :P

[Meester]

1st misquote

[Meester]

2nd misquote.

(nice triple post Measter  )

Thats what I get for making spelling mistakes and then try and correct them ;)
Now wheres that delete post button....

[Thrawn]

I'd be perfectly happy to live in Delve and just send out regular roaming gangs to get a PvP fix if needed.  The amount of isk that Delve spits out is just insane.


INNSSAANNE

(nice triple post Measter  )

[Trigona]

[14:21:09] 14:18:36 Notify The station TN25 FI HOT TUB has been captured by hirr corporation!

There are 9 remaining red towers in TN which will no doubt be targetted soon.  There is some debate amongst the grunts about where we will head to next  E2-RDQ is perhaps the 'peoples favourite' as the BeachBoys who have sov there, are not very popular with lots of MM pilots.  The other close-by FI station at GR-J8B is already receiving some loving from our forces, so who really knows, they might even call us back to 49 in Querious!

Period Basis might seem like a side show to some but as we make inroads there, Delve tick tocks towards Sov 4.