Battlestar Galactica (spoilers/speculation)

[Yegolev]

I have decided the final Cylon is Gaeta.  His pattern of behavior on New Caprica in particular plus his hatred of Cylons that was recently highlighted is in line with Anders, Tigh and Tyrol.

[tazelbain]

If the last cylon is a sleeper in the fleet, than there is no one left to be the source of Baltar's imaginary friend.

[Yegolev]

I'm pretty sure Baltar is the source of Baltar's imaginary friends.

[tazelbain]

So Baltar is the source of Capica's imginary friend as well?  And Baltar is giving Cylon secrets to himself?  That makes Baltar a prophet like Rosalin but with 100x the crazy. 

So many the the events of the show revolve around Baltar's failures as human being.  Anything that reduces Baltar's culpability, like being a cylon or being crazy, will be a huge disappointment.

[Yegolev]

/shrug

[eldaec]

The imaginary friends are visions.

Plenty of people have had visions now, there is no possible explanation of visions that could avoid disappointment. They'll leave it unexplained, but continue to hint at drugs, gods, and cylon influences.


As for the final cylon, the empty seat at the table in the picture (with the chalice) is interesting. I took several lines from the last episode to be hinting at Apollo (Starbuck would shoot anyone she found was a cylon, the Adamas would love Zak even as a Cylon etc, but they might just be because of the whole omgApolloleaving theme).

IMO People you can't rule out at this point are Apollo, Starbuck (too obvious), Baltar (too obvious), DuWalla, or an unknown.


And as for the ending, I'm betting they find Earth, and through some godawful set of circumstances the Cylons and Humans are decimated to such an extent that there is no point fighting. The overall story can only have a satisfying ending if it is a tragedy.

[Tale]

DuWalla

Dualla the bridge wallah?

[Yegolev]

I considered Dualla but there haven't been any hints.  Moore said there were hints.  Gaeta has hints.  It's not Apollo because that is stupid.

Ending?  Humans and Cylons interbreed, cycle begins again.  Twelve Cylons submit to One, Twelve Colonies merge into One.  Earth becomes the new Kobol with One God/Leader.  Time passes, the One Tribe splits and Cylons disagree.  Explains "fleshy Cylons who existed before the previous war" and "why people left Kobol".  Also whiny monologue from Lee Adama.

[sidereal]

Also, since this happened before, everyone is already a Cylon so everyone stops bitching about who's a Cylon and who isn't.

[Nevermore]

Maybe Roslin can throw everyone out the airlock! 

[Yegolev]

Also, since this happened before, everyone is already a Cylon so everyone stops bitching about who's a Cylon and who isn't.

Exactly.

[Merusk]

Woo hoo!

[rattran]

Wow. Just wow. The last season kinda lost me, but tonights ep brought me back.

[Tale]

:(

[Nevermore]

That was cold.

[NowhereMan]

Wow, betrayal after betrayal. BSG seems to have become backstab central.

[Triforcer]

I still wouldn't rule out a lame comeback on this one, if you know what I mean.  Although the final slot would be wasted on her.  I still maintain my earlier Matrix-style prediction. 

[Venkman]

You guys are better viral marketing than the freakin' viral marketing companies! Now I can't wait to watch this one 

[Ookii]

2 down, many many more to go.

[Venkman]

The Cylon thing was awesome. There was at least three layers to it: get rid of the sixes, get rid of their unlocked cylons/raiders, quell the "uprising" in its tracks. I do wonder if this is really the end of it though. Did ALL ships rendeavous with the Resurrection Ship?

The Torry/Caly thing bothered me. But mostly because the latter was bringing her kid to the airlock (presumably for being a hybrid). There are certain things I don't truck with, and even just fictionalized violence to a fictionalized child by a fictionalized mother (in a fictionalized event on a fictio...) pisses me off.

[Tale]

The Torry/Caly thing bothered me. But mostly because the latter was bringing her kid to the airlock (presumably for being a hybrid). There are certain things I don't truck with, and even just fictionalized violence to a fictionalized child by a fictionalized mother (in a fictionalized event on a fictio...) pisses me off.

Yes, but she wasn't throwing her kid out the airlock, she was committing a murder suicide because she couldn't live with what she knew her husband and child to be, which unfortunately does happen when people are confronted with seemingly insurmountable pain in the real world.

The Cylon thing was awesome. There was at least three layers to it: get rid of the sixes, get rid of their unlocked cylons/raiders, quell the "uprising" in its tracks. I do wonder if this is really the end of it though. Did ALL ships rendeavous with the Resurrection Ship?

I took what we were seeing to be one of many such events that would be occurring to get rid of the sixes.

[rattran]

The Tory thing seems a bit off. She's having so much fun being 'evil' I almost expect her not to be a cylon. Just a horrible person.

[Tale]

The Tory thing seems a bit off. She's having so much fun being 'evil' I almost expect her not to be a cylon. Just a horrible person.

The power and elevation in her throw of Callie certainly suggested she was a cylon.

I don't actually think any of them are cylons. All of the group who currently think they are cylons were on the ground in New Caprica. I think it's something that was done to them during their time in captivity there, like a hypnotic suggestion with a trigger, that has them believing they are cylons. They and the viewers are being taken for a ride.

[Triforcer]

The Tory thing seems a bit off. She's having so much fun being 'evil' I almost expect her not to be a cylon. Just a horrible person.

The power and elevation in her throw of Callie certainly suggested she was a cylon.

I don't actually think any of them are cylons. All of the group who currently think they are cylons were on the ground in New Caprica. I think it's something that was done to them during their time in captivity there, like a hypnotic suggestion with a trigger, that has them believing they are cylons. They and the viewers are being taken for a ride.

Er, wasn't there something red and sparkly in whats-his-name's eye when he faced off with the raider?

[Tale]

Er, wasn't there something red and sparkly in whats-his-name's eye when he faced off with the raider?

A reflection or his imaginative version of what happened (given that he was thinking "holy fuck I'm a cylon").

[palmer_eldritch]

I have decided the final Cylon is Gaeta.  His pattern of behavior on New Caprica in particular plus his hatred of Cylons that was recently highlighted is in line with Anders, Tigh and Tyrol.

My theory too. Also, Baltar said something to him to really upset him in season three. The audience didn't hear exactly what Baltar said, we just saw him whispering something in Gaeta's ear about "your secret", and Gaeta immediately tried to murder him! Baltar possibly knows who the cylons are, as his test back in season one did work - he just decided to lie about the results.

[NowhereMan]

Er, wasn't there something red and sparkly in whats-his-name's eye when he faced off with the raider?

A reflection or his imaginative version of what happened (given that he was thinking "holy fuck I'm a cylon").

Then why would the raiders turn back and refuse to engage the fleet (on the grounds they knew the final five were there)? Also why would the other Cylons have made no mention/seem to have no idea that these guys are on the fleet with faked memories? The fact that noone else seems to know about them, the raiders recognising them as Cylons and Tori's super-human punch all seem to make it very unlikely that they aren't most of the final five.

How the hell they explain them being Cylons the whole time should be interesting/disappointing.

[HaemishM]

Bleh, didn't like this episode at all. Starbuck's still crazy, and after ignoring Cally for many episodes, they bring her back to kill her off in a really shitty way. Tory's transformation to evil crazy just seems stupid to me.

[Tale]

Then why would the raiders turn back and refuse to engage the fleet (on the grounds they knew the final five were there)?

It was said that they felt/thought it, they didn't know it. It's a very Battlestar Galactica coincidence that it led to refusal to engage the fleet at that particular moment. But it's a pretty likely worry for a cylon to have when it's central to your religious faith that there are five unknown human-looking cylons somewhere, and you're engaged in trying to wipe out humans.

the raiders recognising them as Cylons and Tori's super-human punch all seem to make it very unlikely that they aren't most of the final five.

How the hell they explain them being Cylons the whole time should be interesting/disappointing.

I can't see that Saul Tigh is a cylon. Adama has known him since they were young men, just after the first cylon war. Is skin job technology really that old and reliable? Nah, he's deluded, it's an implanted conviction that he must be a cylon. They're all deluded. I can't explain Tori's punch, but it did occur in an airlock right next to space - maybe gravity is slightly lower in the airlock?

[Venkman]

Ya know, while I don't see it the way you do, I actually am at the point where I hope you're right. The series has lost a lot of its shock-value/turnabouts from season 1 and 2 and could stand to end on the mother of all turnabouts.

Bleh, didn't like this episode at all. Starbuck's still crazy, and after ignoring Cally for many episodes, they bring her back to kill her off in a really shitty way. Tory's transformation to evil crazy just seems stupid to me.

Yea, that part bothered me too. It was the same way I felt back when they introduced the Cylon Raider named 'scar' back in season 1 (or 2?). This whole backstory, "villain" and his defeat was compressed into a single Star-Trek-esque closure-style episode. That could have been a good running bit.

BSG has a lot of main-ish characters, and it's sorta taking on a Soap Opera feel where only two or three storylines can be conveyed per episode while there's actually twelve or more happening.

And I forgot to mention I didn't like the Captain Ahab feel to the Starbuck sequences as she's trying to find her Moby Dick.

[Ookii]

I figured Tory was more trying to survive then out to murder Cally, if she was truly evil she would of just killed their kid along with Cally to truly make it look like a murder suicide.

[Yegolev]

Tigh has been a Cylon the entire time because this has all happened before.  Tight was a Cylon before the humans -- actually the fleshy Cylons, I say -- invented the metallic ones.  Yeah that's right.  I say that the Fleshies created the metallic ones while living and dying among humans in secret.  The Seven that left with the metallics were opposed to the Five Fleshies during the Cylon War.

Tori has been corrupted by Baltar and his One God schtick.  I predict Tyrol will become dangerous.

[Margalis]

I'm not a huge fan of the "big reveal" style of TV. I don't need elaborate mysteries and twists and such to keep me interested, just good plots and characters. For me season 2 was clearly the apex. It seems at this point too much is being done in the service of plot points they want to make and mysteries they want to stoke or introduce.

I really don't care who the last Cylon is. To me that stuff is on the level of the Carver stuff on Nip/Tuck. Especially when every Cylon so far is a major character, it seems a bit silly. Can't the last Cylon be some fucking janitor or something?

Reminds me of an old 70s movie where they were tracking some killer and everyone was speculating on who it might be. Was it the mayor? Turns out it was just a random nobody.

[Jimbo]

I'm not a huge fan of the "big reveal" style of TV. I don't need elaborate mysteries and twists and such to keep me interested, just good plots and characters. For me season 2 was clearly the apex. It seems at this point too much is being done in the service of plot points they want to make and mysteries they want to stoke or introduce.

I really don't care who the last Cylon is. To me that stuff is on the level of the Carver stuff on Nip/Tuck. Especially when every Cylon so far is a major character, it seems a bit silly. Can't the last Cylon be some fucking janitor or something?

Reminds me of an old 70s movie where they were tracking some killer and everyone was speculating on who it might be. Was it the mayor? Turns out it was just a random nobody.

You mean who shot JR? 

[NowhereMan]

Tigh has been a Cylon the entire time because this has all happened before.  Tight was a Cylon before the humans -- actually the fleshy Cylons, I say -- invented the metallic ones.  Yeah that's right.  I say that the Fleshies created the metallic ones while living and dying among humans in secret.  The Seven that left with the metallics were opposed to the Five Fleshies during the Cylon War.

Tori has been corrupted by Baltar and his One God schtick.  I predict Tyrol will become dangerous.

I don't know if Yeg's right but this sounds like the most satisfying way they could take the storyline. Tori thing does sound like it's on the money though they could have spent more time developing that rather than have her make a move on Tyrol and space his wife.