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Topic: Apple announces Apple TV and iPhone (Read 157591 times)
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Jain Zar
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Yeah. I am in agreement will Schild (is the sky falling?  ) on this one. Billed in new ways? Stuck with one plan for 2 years? Let me have the phone and just be able to connect wifi like ala the DS or PSP, and I will then just get a nice Go Phone plan until data rates are like 5 bucks a month for any reasonable usage. (Mapquest, weather stuff.. basically things I can do on the iMac FOR FREE.) Until then Apple and AT&T can keep waiting. Ill stick with my Ngage QD. I can has Warhammer 40K and Pathway to Glory. And a phone I barely use outside of emergencies. |
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Venkman
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Let me have the phone and just be able to connect wifi like ala the DS or PSP, and I will then just get a nice Go Phone plan until data rates are like 5 bucks a month for any reasonable usage. (Mapquest, weather stuff.. basically things I can do on the iMac FOR FREE.)
That's what the iPod Touch is for. And is the reason I bought it. Almost any application that works on the iPhone will work on the Touch unless it requires hardware not on the Touch (GPS, cell, bluetooth). Even Jailbreaking is similar. And it has the Weather, Maps, Stocks, etc that all come free if you buy it these days. And finally, the Application purchaser/loader thing coming for iPhone 2.0 will be on the Touch as well. |
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Trippy
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Except there's no phone on the iPod Touch.
What Jain Zar wants is what I did with my iPhone -- mine is jailbroken and unlocked and I'm using it with my existing AT&T phone plan which I didn't want to change and my old phone's Cingular SIM which also means no data access, though I can still add that separately to my plan if I want. I can access the Internet through Wi-Fi wherever there's a public access available or at home. I unlocked it even though I'm still using AT&T cause I want to be able to use it in Asia and I wanted to use my existing plan/SIM as mentioned above.
Edit: just to clarify I don't have any data plan cause I don't use my phone enough to justify the extra $20 (now $30) a month for it but if I had activated it the normal way that data plan is mandatory for the iPhone.
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« Last Edit: June 10, 2008, 04:49:18 AM by Trippy »
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Soukyan
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Jailbreaking is not necessary unless you don't want to use AT&T, in which case, pick another phone. This isn't the first phone that has ever been locked to a carrier and it won't be the last.
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Trippy
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Jailbreaking is a prerequisite to unlocking but it's also the prerequisite to allowing you to run your own apps on it and to modify it in ways that Apple did not deem acceptable like non-iTunes custom ringtones.
Edit: I should also add that some of us like to be able to use our same phone worldwide which requires jailbreaking and unlocking.
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« Last Edit: June 10, 2008, 06:19:36 AM by Trippy »
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Viin
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How much does it cost to jailbreak and unlock? And how do you get the phone without them activating it on a new ATT plan?
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- Viin
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Prospero
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Jailbreaking is free last I checked, ya just download the software and go. However you can't get a 3G phone without activating now. You have to activate it in the store. With the 2G phones you activate the phone at home through itunes.
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Oban
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However you can't get a 3G phone without activating now.
Yeah, you have to wait till July 11th. |
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Soukyan
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Edit: I should also add that some of us like to be able to use our same phone worldwide which requires jailbreaking and unlocking.
I'm not sure I follow. They have carriers in over 70 countries now, correct? And then AT&T has international plans, right? So you should be able to use it in most places around the world, but perhaps I am missing something. |
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Prospero
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You can use it anywhere, but you have to pay AT&T roaming fees. Normally with a GSM phone you can just swap in a local SIM and get reasonable fees.
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MrHat
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Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
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They're a SIM-popping tool included in the box.
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Engels
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They're a SIM-popping tool included in the box.
First hour I had my iPhone I popped out my sim card. It flew across the room and landed inside my gf's makeup bag. It took me over an hour searching for it to find it again. I had a very clean living room after that. I hate the little springloaded shit piece of plastic. |
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Soukyan
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You can use it anywhere, but you have to pay AT&T roaming fees. Normally with a GSM phone you can just swap in a local SIM and get reasonable fees.
Ah, so roaming fees are the issue. Ah, well, it's not anything new, and it's not like consumer behavior will change to force the companies to change. |
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Venkman
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Odd question:
So with my iPod Touch I'm occasionally near an ethernet port but not a wifi signal. If I don't have my laptop, is there any device that would let me plug my Touch into an ethernet jack?
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schild
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If I don't have my laptop, is there any device that would let me plug my Touch into an ethernet jack? No. |
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Oban
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If I don't have my laptop, is there any device that would let me plug my Touch into an ethernet jack?
No, but yes. I use an Airport Express when I travel since most hotels have ethernet jacks in their rooms and no wifi. http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/Passes vpn traffic flawlessly too. |
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Venkman
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So that thing plugs into an electrical outlet and you can plug an ethernet cable into that?
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Oban
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Yes, it does other cool things as well, but it is small and really easy to travel with.
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naum
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Yes, it does other cool things as well, but it is small and really easy to travel with.
I've also used Airport Express to beam iTunes library out to speakers on the porch… |
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Oban
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I use it to connect my evil polluting HP colour laser to the network in a remote section of my house when I am home.
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schild
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The new nano is fucking gorgeous. The new iPod is fucking ugly.  No.  Yes, please. |
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schild
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To elaborate, I understand the layout of the iphone. It needs that black space for the speaker. But the iPod touch should really just be a giant surface. Right now it's just... awkward, funky, and unclean. Also:  Purrrrrr. |
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« Last Edit: September 09, 2008, 02:41:01 PM by schild »
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Ookii
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Trippy
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Huh? The Touch looks like the iPhone now (chrome rim). The new Nano might look nice but it's a horrible form factor being so tall. It might have been okay if the screen was actually 16:9 but it's the same as the 320 x 240 as the previous generation which has the short fat dumpy look but was actually of very practical shape and size.
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schild
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I'm a fan of tall and slim versus short and fat. What can I say. I'm the modern man. These are beyond sexy.
Also, caring about ratio implies this would be used for watching movies. Do people really really do that on a nano?
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Trippy
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I watch TV shows on my previous gen Nano. It's actually quite nice.
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schild
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I see you're a versatile guy. Willing to watch TV on a nano but not willing to watch a 720p MKV from the interwabs. |
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Ookii
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Maybe he has tiny eyes.
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Oban
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Maybe he has tiny beady little eyes.
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Trippy
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I see you're a versatile guy. Willing to watch TV on a nano but not willing to watch a 720p MKV from the interwabs. I can't carry my desktop computer around with me wherever I go. Also once again, MKV H.264 TV files not in 720p (or 1080i). |
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Oban
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All today I thought the new Apple ad said "funniest" instead of "funnest" for the new Touch. I was trying to figure out what exactly was funny about its features or tech specs.
/facepalm
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Samwise
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The new nano is fucking gorgeous. The new iPod is fucking ugly.
You know what's fucking gorgeous? Being able to watch a movie on a pocket-sized device without having to hunch or squint.  |
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Trippy
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I see you're a versatile guy. Willing to watch TV on a nano but not willing to watch a 720p MKV from the interwabs. I can't carry my desktop computer around with me wherever I go. Also once again, MKV H.264 TV files not in 720p (or 1080i). Okay I take that last part back, some actually are in 720p, though that's not the original resolution. E.g. The Gen Kill HDTV Torrent is in fact at 720p but the original HBO broadcast is in 1080i. |
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schild
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You know, I thought about it yesterday. I have never once seen what 1080i looks like. Every piece of HD content I've ever experienced was 720 or 1080p.
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Trippy
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You know, I thought about it yesterday. I have never once seen what 1080i looks like. Every piece of HD content I've ever experienced was 720 or 1080p.
Interlacing is super sucky. |
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