What is community relations?

[Yegolev]

Is that a college band?

[Engels]

f13 has a long tradition of ferriting out exactly this type of tripe

But not of spelling the word, "ferreting."

Don't be such a weesil.

[Murgos]

I don't think this thread would have caused nearly as many problems if it wasn't in this particulary sub-forum. Probably more appropriate for the Game Design one (I always link the business of building and selling to the act of designing and developing)?

Otherwise, carry on.

If he hadn't posted it in the MMOG forum with all those key buzzwords floating around I almost certainly would have let it slide.

[sinij]

Lets put this to rest, we are into cruel and unusual punishment territory.

[palmer_eldritch]

f13 has a long tradition of ferriting out exactly this type of tripe

But not of spelling the word, "ferreting."

I have to take issue with the people who suggested, even very politely, that some of us would have been able to understand what Morgan was saying if we knew more about marketing or, ahem, had been a bit smarter.

I'm not taking offence, but don't tell me you can see the emperor's clothes. He has no clothes. There was simply no meaning in most of Morgan's posts.

Who said you'd be able to understand him if you were smarter?  I'd sure like to see that post.

The comment about the college guy talking to the guys at the gas station, but perhaps I did misunderstand that.

[waylander]

I suggest he do some market research on the phrase "wtfpwned" because that's what happened to him here.

[CmdrSlack]

The comment about the college guy talking to the guys at the gas station, but perhaps I did misunderstand that.

Yeah, I think that was moreso an illustration of how jargon goes over the heads of laypeople, or at least means nothing...it's more of a "tips for effective communication" comment, really.

[WayAbvPar]

I suggest he do some market research on the phrase "wtfpwned" because that's what happened to him here.

 :-D :-D :-D

[Ironwood]

I can't believe this reached 4 pages without someone mentioning Veronica Mars.

I don't get it.

[Endie]

The comment about the college guy talking to the guys at the gas station, but perhaps I did misunderstand that.

Yeah, I think that was moreso an illustration of how jargon goes over the heads of laypeople, or at least means nothing...it's more of a "tips for effective communication" comment, really.

He actually has tips for effective communication on his blog.  They're very revealing:

"Long known by creatives worldwide throughout the centuries... When your approach to delivering your message is consistent, you will be king, and your people will listen. Avoid allowing your delivery of your message to be derailed by naysayers and other ill treatment from hecklers in the crowd."

We hecklers and naysayers must feel pretty small for betraying our king.  Vayner and him should get together and go bowling...

Edit: fixed link

[Arthur_Parker]

I can't believe this reached 4 pages without someone mentioning Veronica Mars.

I don't get it.

Biography

Morgan Ramsay is....
blah blah
blah... and appeared in the UPN series Veronica Mars.

If you haven't seen Veronica Mars then, well, nevermind.

[tazelbain]

I made a Morgan Webb connection on irc yesterday, does that count?

[Trippy]

I can't believe this reached 4 pages without someone mentioning Veronica Mars.

Like most of the rest of his "bio" the reference was so vague it's very likely he was simply just an extra standing somewhere in the background at one point.

[Strazos]

I can't believe this reached 4 pages without someone mentioning Veronica Mars.

I don't get it.

Biography

Morgan Ramsay is....
blah blah
blah... and appeared in the UPN series Veronica Mars.

If you haven't seen Veronica Mars then, well, nevermind.

Just to address this, he is not credited on IMDB.com. Not for Veronica Mars, or "John from Cincinnati" on HBO.

Also, if you follow the little profile link, you can read his profile/resume for a couple of chuckles. I was most interested in his educational credentials, down at the bottom. First, I chuckled a bit when I realized he is taking 5 years...for two Associate's degrees. At my school, I'm fairly sure that would be wrapped up into a single degree (I worked in Academic Affairs while I was in school, so I've poured through lots of the paperwork behind different programs, courses, and majors).

Well, maybe he's doing this at a tough school or something. Heck, I took 4.5 years to do my undergrad work, so who knows. I have never heard of Palomar College, but it was easy enough to find.

Are you kidding me? Most people here could probably complete at least one 4-year degree at a county college without going to the actual classes. But 5 years? Just for AAs? Why am I not surprised at the uninformed nonsense he was spewing forth here?

Digging deeper still, I come up with this (opens into a large PDF). Now, seeing that he was picking up the General Business AA and the Advertising, Marketing, and Merchandising AA, that only works out to 70 credits, max. That's 4 heavy semesters, or 5 average ones. Two to Two-and-a-half years. And those certifications? The "Retail - Management" and "Salesperson - Retail" (which he cites as Retail Sales) certs? Junk, and they mostly (if not completely) overlap with the AAs anyway, so it's not like he'd have to go out of his way to pick them up.

I mean, it's great that he's trying to get an education in his chosen field...but an AA only just begins to build a framework. I mean, clearly, part of the reason it didn't seem like he knew anything is because he hasn't taken classes that really taught anything (jokes about marketing/business programs aside); pretty much all entry-level courses. You don't really start to learn (IMO) until you step up into the junior/senior level courses. I mean, I learned things in my 100-level courses, but there's a huge difference between freshman courses and 300/400 level courses. I'm not even going to discuss "capstone"-type courses required to finish a major.

[Bunk]

Welcome one and all to F13.net. Where we will cyberstalk you to death and then make fun of the corpse.

With charts.

[lamaros]

I mean, it's great that he's trying to get an education in his chosen field...but an AA only just begins to build a framework. I mean, clearly, part of the reason it didn't seem like he knew anything is because he hasn't taken classes that really taught anything (jokes about marketing/business programs aside); pretty much all entry-level courses. You don't really start to learn (IMO) until you step up into the junior/senior level courses. I mean, I learned things in my 100-level courses, but there's a huge difference between freshman courses and 300/400 level courses. I'm not even going to discuss "capstone"-type courses required to finish a major.

Taking more classes will only make him less ignorant, he will still be a sorry mess when he tries to apply intelligence to what he hath learned (a generous term).

[Grimwell]

You know... at this point the thread has gone from "Woah did Morgan make a mistake here!" right into "Some of these guys are all stalker creepy."

[Tebonas]

I think Bunk said it best and the laugh that got out of me lets me start my working day with a positive attitude.

[WindupAtheist]

[schild]

You left off Trammel, WoW subscribers, ingame ads, and SWG crafting. Noob.

[Ironwood]

Fucking awesome chart WUA.  Awesome.

[Azazel]

The Word of Mouth Marketing Association (WOMMA) has a very good introduction to word-of-mouth marketing. And since I'm not interested in reinventing the wheel, at least in terms of communicating what I do, WOMMA provides some nice descriptions:

That's great. So what's disruptive marketing, then?

[Ironwood]

Er, he's gone mate.

[Azazel]

You may have some interesting things to say about games, but the sort of masturbation you've dropped on us thus far isn't really in the style of F13. It's more the type of shit you'd overhear at Terra Nova Avenue or Bruce Woodcock Lane or HRose's Engrish Emporium.

Well then, I suppose I chose the wrong community, and I will be leaving. So long, and thanks for all the fish.

I want to punch you in the face.

not a fan of Douglas Adams?

[Xilren's Twin]

You know... at this point the thread has gone from "Woah did Morgan make a mistake here!" right into "Some of these guys are all stalker creepy."

Remember kids, slightly irritated and bored folks with high speed and google fu are only a step away from cyberstalkerhood. 
Be smart about the communities you manage to wander into...

[Azazel]

Er, he's gone mate.

Yeah, I was reading my way through. I didn't see him get ganked and then the corpse camping till now.

BTW, Grimwell.

Read WUA's posts for "what went wrong".

[Sky]

f13 is the chart fucking master of the internet.

[Endie]

What did he drop?

[Azazel]

Can't check yet. Schild still has the corpse lootlocked.

[Roac]

You know... at this point the thread has gone from "Woah did Morgan make a mistake here!" right into "Some of these guys are all stalker creepy."

If you liken the Politics forum to drunken brawls, then this thread is F13's take on villagers with pitchforks and torches.  Isn't so much stalking because no one here cares about Morgan.  The point is to make Morgan care about Morgan.

[Ironwood]

I wanted a thread to share my theories on Disruptive Stalking.

It's like normal stalking, but with bear-traps.

[Merusk]

This thread looked boring as hell, then I re-noticed it at 5-pages.


Damnit, I missed all the fun.

[waylander]

This thread looked boring as hell, then I re-noticed it at 5-pages.


Damnit, I missed all the fun.

Its not often we get to flay a newbie alive around here, and this opportunity was just too good to pass up.

[Strazos]

Just FYI, I didn't even have to use Google. He had all the info I needed displayed in plain sight. I would think any reputable client or employer would do much the same in checking out his credentials.

[naum]

I love you all as if you were my own!