BoB kills Titan.

[gimpyone]

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=442186

[Raging Turtle]

Bastard, I was coming to post this.

Looks like my predictions about the BoB-ASCN war were entirely wrong.  I wonder how much longer before ASCN tries to negotiate a cease-fire?

[Morat20]

I got the impression it was an afk kill -- something to do with an aggression timer and scanning? How does that work?

[dwindlehop]

Heh, I wonder what the wreck dropped when they salvaged it.

[WayAbvPar]

Not as much as it would have dropped after Wednesday!

I am pretty sure even I could find a titan with my n00b scanning. Hell, there is probably a good chance of picking it up with the naked eye 

[NiX]

ASCN keeps saying he CTD and couldn't log back in, but that just seems too convenient. I hope CCP doesn't reimburse them.

[tazelbain]

Has to be something, the things are practically unkillable under normal circumstance.

[Morat20]

ASCN keeps saying he CTD and couldn't log back in, but that just seems too convenient. I hope CCP doesn't reimburse them.

What's CCP's criteria for a reimbursement? Surely they have some client and server data to indicate whether a client suffered a CTD. There should be a pattern of repeated login attempts under his name, for one.

[Kail]

ASCN keeps saying he CTD and couldn't log back in

Holy shit.  That must have been an interesting five minutes for his roommate.  Something like that happened to me, the echoes would still be bouncing around.

[Fordel]

While a CTD is certainly possible, do you think he would honestly say anything else?

That would be the real shocker in a Titan kill, the pilot just owning up and going "yeah, I lost it, the end."

[geldonyetich]

Psha, I kill titans all the time, it's hardly a big deal.

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Oh, I suppose there's a considerable difference between BF2142 titans are the ones that takes months or years to get on EvE.

[NiX]

The ASCN stories are all over the place. Power failure, CTD, lag..etc. None of them are consistent. One rumor is that he was having problems with his computer and decided to switch, logged off with aggro and BoB scanned at the right time.

[Morat20]

The ASCN stories are all over the place. Power failure, CTD, lag..etc. None of them are consistent. One rumor is that he was having problems with his computer and decided to switch, logged off with aggro and BoB scanned at the right time.

What is the relationship between the aggro/aggression countdown and scanning? The context I'm getting is that he'd have been safe IF he hadn't still had his countdown ticking.

[eldaec]

ASCN keeps saying he CTD and couldn't log back in, but that just seems too convenient. I hope CCP doesn't reimburse them.

What's CCP's criteria for a reimbursement? Surely they have some client and server data to indicate whether a client suffered a CTD. There should be a pattern of repeated login attempts under his name, for one.

Unlikely - any login problems are more likely to have been on the client end, or a problem with his internet connection getting through to the login server or somesuch.

From CCPs perspective it's never going to be easy to see the difference between a CTD and someone yanking the network cable out the back of their PC.

[NiX]

What is the relationship between the aggro/aggression countdown and scanning? The context I'm getting is that he'd have been safe IF he hadn't still had his countdown ticking.

As far as I understand the aggro timer keeps you in the game. It's 15 minutes on a Titan (or all ships?) Apparently he was at 13 and logged off anyway. BoB scanned the Titan down and demolished it.

[dwindlehop]

Aggro timer is 15 minutes for everyone.

[Furiously]

It's AROUND 15 minutes...

[Morat20]

What is the relationship between the aggro/aggression countdown and scanning? The context I'm getting is that he'd have been safe IF he hadn't still had his countdown ticking.

As far as I understand the aggro timer keeps you in the game. It's 15 minutes on a Titan (or all ships?) Apparently he was at 13 and logged off anyway. BoB scanned the Titan down and demolished it.

Does your ship despawn when you're out of the game? I thought it just warped you off to the middle of nowhere -- a nowhere that, I suppose, could now be found by the scanning system. Did they change it, or was I just wrong on what happened when you logged in space?

[Yoru]

It warps you off to the middle of nowhere and then, if you're not aggressed, it despawns you and your ship. There's some minor delay even if you aren't aggressed, I think.

[Der Helm]

It warps you off to the middle of nowhere and then, if you're not aggressed, it despawns you and your ship. There's some minor delay even if you aren't aggressed, I think.

Player aggression timer or any aggression timer ?

[MahrinSkel]

If you've shot at or been shot at by someone, 15 minutes, including NPC's.  If somebody hits you with anything in that time, it resets.

--Dave

[Krakrok]

RA was killing dreads that way in the battle for their home system. Dread pilots were crashing, the ship would warp out into where ever space, RA would scan it and kill it.

[Yoru]

Dear ASCN,



Hugs,
  World.

[Strazos]

RA fights especially dirty.

[geldonyetich]

So, about how much effort goes in to making a titan?

[Yoru]

So, about how much effort goes in to making a titan?

I think it took ASCN, what, 1.5 months of concerted effort? And they're one of the largest (in terms of money and player-power) alliances in the game, with some very rich space. BoB also got one, I think around after 2-2.5 months of effort, and they're also quite rich and powerful.

So... A lot. A couple man-years, probably.

[MahrinSkel]

Takes a couple of man-years just to haul the bits to the POS it is being contructed at.

--Dave

[Chenghiz]

Didn't BoB win theirs in the last tourney? At least that's what I heard.

[Slayerik]

It was an inside job, you know it was. Now the real question is...shouldn'y it have had a serious escort?

[Strazos]

Wouldn't matter if the pilot DC'ed and the ship got warped to a random spot in the system.

[MahrinSkel]

BOB won a couple of motherships in the last two tournements, reports have it that LV's titan was actually the first one built, and there was a sighting on scanner of an Erebus (all the confirmed Titans are Avatars), that was several months ago and no sign of it since (some of us think it was just a ship of some other type *named* "Erebus").  Odds are that every major alliance either has one, or has plans to build one in various stages of development.  So far, the only Mothership to be used in combat belongs to a pirate corp, who used it in combination with interceptors in low-sec.  Hasn't been seen since Kali and the scanning changes (it was always parked in a deep safe, which would no longer be so safe).  If D2 doesn't have one, I'd be very surprised, ditto for RA.

--Dave

[Trouble]

If they have these ships why don't they use them?

[Strazos]

Why all the stupid Amarr Avatars?

[ajax34i]

Ship doesn't warp off to random spot, it warps off to nearby spot when you CTD/log off, and then it either despawns, or remains there if you're aggressed.  They were apparently scanning for it, and with the scanner it wouldn't matter whether the ship was at its original spot or at a nearby spot, heh.

As far as reimbursement if it was a real CTD, there are options.  Personally, if the logs clearly indicate a CTD / whatever (a real reason for reimbursement), if I were CCP I'd figure out something in terms of reimbursing ISK / materials / whatever, so they can make another one perhaps in a shorter period of time, but I wouldn't reimburse the titan itself.  It's a historical kill.

[MahrinSkel]

I asked about this, apparently 2 years ago Amarr ships were Ubar, and there was little else to train for (almost no T2 ships, few T2 modules) so a lot of the oldest characters wound up with Amarr BS 5.  Since BS5 is the largest chunk of what you have to train for capital ships, those characters went on to fly Amarr dreads and carriers (even thought the best ones are Minmatar and Gallente, respectively), and now Amarr titans.

Myself, I'm skipping HAC's, Command Ships, and really BS (I'll train BS 5 skill but not the large T2 guns), and going straight to Carriers.  Should be in one in about 3 months, might even have enough money for my own mothership (depends on whether someone else in the alliance has already bought the BPO's).  Motherships don't really need any more skill than carriers, Carrier 3 rather than 1 but you really need Carrier 4 for both anyway (2 week train) because of the fighter count bonus.

Nyx (Gallente mothership) is bad-ass for fleet fights, immune to EW and up to 22 fighters with 40% damage bonus so they do the damage of 30 (or about as much as 10-12 BS).  Sucker could probably solo a POS.  As for why BOB doesn't fly their motherships, could be as simple as the teams that won them not being able to agree who gets to fly them.

--Dave