Kali drops on the 28th

[Chenghiz]

Yeah, EVE definitely needs way more keybinds.

[Simond]

I thought CCP's plan was to wipe all BM within 40km of a gate/station/outhouse/etc?

[Yegolev]

I thought CCP's plan was to wipe all BM within 40km of a gate/station/outhouse/etc?

I thought that was idle speculation?  If I were CCP, I'd wait until after everyone warms up to warp-to-zero in order to reduce the bitching.

[Kamen]

I thought CCP's plan was to wipe all BM within 40km of a gate/station/outhouse/etc?

I thought that was idle speculation?  If I were CCP, I'd wait until after everyone warms up to warp-to-zero in order to reduce the bitching.

It's not idle speculation.  Every bookmark you have within 40km of a celestial object should be gone after this patch.  If they're not, something went wrong.

Far from bitching, most people seem quite happy about getting a complete set of galaxy wide instas that are no harder to use than the instas they were using.  Long overdue IMO.

[Simond]

It'll be interesting to see what effect that has on the server performance, too.

[Kamen]

It'll be interesting to see what effect that has on the server performance, too.

I'll give them a few days to work on the mandatory post-patch goat screw before I pass judgement, but I'm expecting an improvement.

[Morat20]

Is there anyone that can explain the new scanning system? Including what modules are needed, what skills, etc?

[dwindlehop]

I haven't seen a good breakdown of the new skills.

You need just one probe to get a lock on your target. The accuracy is based on your skills, the probe stats, and the signature radius of what you are scanning. TheDreamer said that scanning for ships is easy and requires low-sp probes, but scanning for deadspace signatures requires probes which require more sp investment.

[Simond]

Final patch notes are up, including the deletion of instas.

[Yegolev]

'Warp to 0 km' will be added as an option to the 'Warp' menu. This is being done in conjunction with the deletion of 'Instajump' bookmarks, a major contributor to database and game lag. It is highly recommended for players to delete their instajump bookmarks before the Revelations deployment. This action will improve client performance and decrease log-in times. Note: Normal bookmarks will not be affected by this change.

So just the ones around gates and stations, then?

Jump Clones now require either 8.0 personal or corporation standing, not both.

So awesome.

[TheDreamr]

You need just one probe to get a lock on your target. The accuracy is based on your skills, the probe stats, and the signature radius of what you are scanning. TheDreamer said that scanning for ships is easy and requires low-sp probes, but scanning for deadspace signatures requires probes which require more sp investment.

Once the EVE forums come back online, go here and get a good dose of EVE math geek.    In the meantime...


The only module you need for scanning is a scan probe launcher (and a variety of suitable scan probes) - you have two options;

Scan Probe Launcher - these are large enough to handle either the new exploration probes, or the smaller scan probes, the downside is that they have a base scan time of 600 seconds (10 minutes).

Recon Probe Launcher - these can only handle scan probes, but the upside is they have a base scan time of 120 seconds (2 minutes).

Scan times = wait, which sucks, so how can you get that lower?

Choose a specialised ship - each race has one T1 frigate with an astrometrics bonus of -5% per level, letting you immediately reduce this time by 20% - 25%.   For more advanced players the covert ops frigates have an astrometrics bonus -10% per level which probably means a 40% reduction.

Train skills - one of the new astrometrics skills reduces scanning time by 10% per level, but it's a rank 8 so training it beyond level 3 will be a bit of a slog, but there's another 30% reduction.

Install rigs - one of the new eletronics rigs is called the "Gravity Capacitor Upgrade" which reduces scan times, not sure of the % but they will apparently stack so this may be an option to shave the last few % points.


For a relatively untrained (racial frigate 5, astrometrics 2) pilot such as myself, this means you can launch a 4au or 10au probe from a recon launcher and see results in just over a minute.    Assuming you're close-ish to whatever ship you're looking for and then you'll probably be able to warp to them on your first attempt.


In theory you can "do" exploration without exploration probes, but it's a slow and painful process because you're forced to look for extremely small signatures at long ranges, without the high level of sensor power exploration probes bring to the party.

I couldn't use exploration probes due to skill requirements, so finding a single low-value complex was both slow and painful...

Jump Clones now require either 8.0 personal or corporation standing, not both.

Almost enough to bring a tear to your eye isn't it?

[Morat20]

I haven't seen a good breakdown of the new skills.

You need just one probe to get a lock on your target. The accuracy is based on your skills, the probe stats, and the signature radius of what you are scanning. TheDreamer said that scanning for ships is easy and requires low-sp probes, but scanning for deadspace signatures requires probes which require more sp investment.

That's all exploration based, right? Like "I've wandered off into some .6 system, and I don't have an agent, so I'm scanning for belt rats to go kill or maybe a hidden deadspace complex"?

I don't need to rush out and buy scan probes and scanners and skill books to keep doing my L2 security missions?

[TheDreamr]

That's all exploration based, right? Like "I've wandered off into some .6 system, and I don't have an agent, so I'm scanning for belt rats to go kill or maybe a hidden deadspace complex"?

I don't need to rush out and buy scan probes and scanners and skill books to keep doing my L2 security missions?

Regular deadspace areas (missions, complexes) haven't changed as far as I heard.

[TheDreamr]

"I've wandered off into some .6 system, and I don't have an agent, so I'm scanning for belt rats to go kill or maybe a hidden deadspace complex

Random aside but I'm pretty sure NPCs no longer show up on the directional scanner (to force people to actually hunt down rare spawns), and hidden deadspace complexes are hidden, so don't show up on the directional scanner.

[Morat20]

Random aside but I'm pretty sure NPCs no longer show up on the directional scanner (to force people to actually hunt down rare spawns), and hidden deadspace complexes are hidden, so don't show up on the directional scanner.

That I kind of figured. I'd never much gotten into using the scanner.

The tactical overview is all kinds of awesome, although less so right now since my combat tactics are entirely "DRONES! KILL!" and off my little scouts go to wreck havoc. The only reason I pack mediums is for killing structures.

Speaking of, in a drone cruiser with good drone skills and decent armor tanking skills, am I better off doing security missions or ratting in lower-security space?

[Yegolev]

I am one of those people that use the base scanner, mostly for finding asteroids.

[Slayerik]

if anyone could host the patch that would rock :)

[Rhonstet]

It's interesting that what we are excited about aren't the new features, but all these fixes to broken gameplay.

Being one of the people who was driven away by the bugginess of EVE, twice, I can attest that every time they fix a bug, it makes me want to come back.

'Warp to 0 km' will be added as an option to the 'Warp' menu. This is being done in conjunction with the deletion of 'Instajump' bookmarks, a major contributor to database and game lag.

Lesbian supermodels.  This fix _ALONE_ makes me want to return to EVE.

[tazelbain]

Does the autopilot take advantage of warp to 0?

[Morat20]

Does the autopilot take advantage of warp to 0?

Nope. Since no one used auto in low-sec, not really a change. It just means EVE doesn't have to store a zillion bookmarks per character per system for the entire freakin' universe.

I can't imagine how much of a load this removed from their database.

[TheDreamr]

Dock command was last seen defaulting to warp to 0 as well, which is also nice.

Means no more slow-ass crawls into dock when you're stuck without an insta for a station, and also means you can issue the dock command and go afk once you see it hit warp.

[Viin]

Well it's up, but no patch is available yet.

As soon as it's available I can probably get it up on bittorrent if that'd be useful.

[Raging Turtle]

Of course they have all this downtime when I'm finally getting addicted again!  Rarargsf!   

[Megrim]

I'm trying to relog every ten minutes. Want. Shiny. sdsfsfsafdasdg'gs'fda'f'asda








* Edit:

Wait, yes, it's up!


ooOOOoOOOOooooOOoOO

[Viin]

Here's the torrent, only 65mb.

http://www.torrentbox.com/download/77861/evepatch27121-27912.exe.torrent

Edit: yah you don't need the torrent now - but if you were to download it in awhile or tomorrow morning it might be a lot slower depending on the demand from the Euros and such. So I'll leave the torrent up till tomorrow just in case.

[Raging Turtle]

The patch from the log on screen downloaded super fast for me on an alright connection.

[Raging Turtle]

Its very laggy and I'm seeing traffic warnings pop up every 30 seconds.  Plus, the market was 'opening up' in my region and unaccessable.  Anyone rushing to get in may want to wait.

[MahrinSkel]

Best guess is that the database is getting hammered by the log-in process deleting the instas.

--Dave

[Viin]

I would have thought so, but so far all of us have logged in to find our BMs all there.

[HRose]

Bah, I cannot reactivate my account:

Your credit card could not be validated.

    * Unable to contact card authorizer. No Route. Please try again in a few moments  [0048]

[Yegolev]

Just to state it factually, all of the BMs are still there, even my G2G traveling instas.  CCP has asked that people take their time in deleting them since the deletions are a big performance hit... kinda like copies I bet.

After spending some time using WTZ in real-game scenarios, I can say that there isn't any reason to keep your traveling instas.  In no case did I drop out of warp more than 2.5km from a stargate.  The Dock function is a bit of an exception, since it sometimes drops me out of warp more that 250m from the station and I have to wait for the engines to fire up and scoot me those extra meters.  My flights were all in an Iteron III and a Mackinaw, so there should be some differences when comparing lighter ships.

[Reg]

I've been using my autopilot but not actually activating it so that the next gate in my route is highlighted yellow in the overview. Then I just select it, warp to zero and jump. It's very, very nice.

[Yegolev]

I've been using my autopilot but not actually activating it so that the next gate in my route is highlighted yellow in the overview. Then I just select it, warp to zero and jump. It's very, very nice.

Same here.  When I want to or can wander off to make a sandwich, I just activate autopilot and turn it off when I get back.  This is how I noticed the issue with the autopilot route sometimes not showing in the galactic map, since I set up the route in-station.  Need to make a "travel" overview setting so I can see the stargates without scrolling, but otherwise it's no more difficult than insta-BM-travel.

[Morat20]

Best guess is that the database is getting hammered by the log-in process deleting the instas.

--Dave

If you're zapping BM's withing 40km of a station/gate/etc, why are you doing it on logon instead of a massive delete at some point during the patch? Just not worth the extra time spent twiddling your thumbs while your DB purges itself?

[Yegolev]

Best guess is that the database is getting hammered by the log-in process deleting the instas.

--Dave

If you're zapping BM's withing 40km of a station/gate/etc, why are you doing it on logon instead of a massive delete at some point during the patch? Just not worth the extra time spent twiddling your thumbs while your DB purges itself?

CCP wasn't deleting the BMs during patch or login, they are all still there.  They are counting on the playerbase to make the decision on which BMs to delete and which to keep.  At least for the time being.