alright, you n00bs: it's frigate gang time!

[Viin]

Don't look at me.  (Seriously, someone with a bit more pvp experience would be ideal to lead the pvp training mission of our corp).

[dwindlehop]

Bah, no one with PVP experience is in the corp. I might play some this weekend, but I can't commit to a time. If I get on, gang me and we'll rumble. I need to play with recon probe launchers.

Speaking of which, somebody buy us a BPO for recon probe launchers.  :-D

[WayAbvPar]

You can probably find targets right in Akora. Rhonstet got popped at a gate there last night by a pirate from Smash Alliance (Major something or other). Irek chased him off, but I am sure he or his brethren will be around. We should assemble some sort of quick response force to clear Akora of these folks- need scanning experts, tacklers, and firepower.

[Viin]

Yah I was hoping we could work on 3 man gangs with a setup like this:

1 Frigate - tackler, scan prober
1 Cruiser - EW and NOS
1 BC - EW and Damage

Since no one is using WCSs on fighting ships, a scramble strength of 1 should be enough (though 2 doesn't hurt). I don't know if this little gang would be able to break a tank on a BS, but I'd like to try it out amongst gang members to see how it goes.

So if we have time this weekend and anyone wants to try one of those roles, I'd be happy to run a BS out to try it on.

[hal]

of the few ships i have. 1 is a ferox (bc) well Ive a kessie as well. Might be able to do your ew, could you be  tad more specific?

[Viin]

EW is usually Multispectral ECM fittings (at least 2). But it can also be sensor dampeners. If you are in a BC you'd want to do high damage output in addition to that (so for a Ferox, that'd be 6? heavy missile launchers).

For a Cruiser, we'd want 2 or 3 ECM and 2-3 Med Nos. And probably a scanner of some sort to find out what protective modules the target has on (so we can switch the missiles up to hit the least resistive damage type.

[Chenghiz]

I could contribute a frigate for scrambling. My scan-probing skills are not there.

[Viin]

An opportunity to learn!

The whole idea of any of this is to have goals for your skill learning - so if you wanna try some ECM/EW stuff, train it up!

[dwindlehop]

I want to see what ECM drones can do after the ECM nerf. I can't find whether they were nerfed or not.

[gimpyone]

Let's use the test server.

[Viin]

Pussy. 

Is there any way to train skills faster or get free/cheap ships on test?

[gimpyone]

everything on test is 100 isk per unit.

[dwindlehop]

You gotta apply for a test account, don't you, and keep a separate test installation? Work? Noes!!! 

[gimpyone]

No application.

[dwindlehop]

Alright, let's do this again real soon. It's all frigates again (or anything that can align as fast as one, as we move quickly). Newbs, alts, longstanding members of F13 all welcome. Be on Teamspeak whether you have a mike or not, as I refuse to type. Bring an empty mid slot and I'll give you a present. First meetup will be in Akora, but I believe in a few weeks we'll have to schedule a one hour tour of the south: see the sights, shoot the locals, that sort of thing.

I was thinking maybe not the holiday weekend, but next weekend?

Anybody who wants to do less casual pvp is encouraged to join the F13 corp. We'll be playing with mods and tactics in highsec and then applying our learning all winter long.

[Chenghiz]

I'm game. That'll give me time to train up to scramblers/webs on my pvp alt.

[Strazos]

Heh, anyone think I can run Eve on an ATI Radeon 9250? It has 256mb, but it's PCI. I don't know what its capabilities are beyond that.


EDIT: I'm not even entirely positive it's a 9250; it might only be a 9200. My Omega Drivers gave me both as options.

[Raging Turtle]

Can't hurt to try, eh?

I've got a number of frigates in Reisen, next to Akora, if someone wants to practice a little pew pew.

[Yoru]

Shouldn't be a problem.. Eve's client is 4 years old. I can run it (poorly) on a laptop with a 32mb ATi Mobility chip in it.

[Strazos]

Ok, I guess I'll have to find some room to install Eve again.

I won't even have this VC problem once Newegg processes my RMA and I can get Another new card. Think I'm gonna go with a nVidia card this time...

EDIT: Had to uninstall the Omega Drivers. Apparently, they would not let this crap card do anything using Direct3D. Kind of vital for something like Eve I suppose.

Perhaps I'll re-up tomorrow night. You guys better be active. 

[dwindlehop]

Alright, we're going Saturday, January 13. Get on F13's teamspeak even if you don't have a mike.

We'll be leaving at 3:00 pm Pacific from Akora.
Log on earlier if you want to duel, practice scanning, practice running away, get safespots, or change your fitting.

Evemail Dwindlehop this week if you need a ship. I have some spares.

15:00 PST (3 pm)
18:00 EST (6 pm)
23:00 GMT (eve time)

[dwindlehop]

No response this time, and I'm speculating that is was because I sounded like a hard-ass about the time? How about this substitution:

Every Saturday, I'll have a gang for PVP practice that's open to non-corp members. No committment necessary. Mostly I'll be playing in the afternoon Pacific time, but it varies. For the near future, show up at Akora in a frigate, but we may change the ships or location later.

Message me if you need anything (ships, advice, guns, isk). My Eve character is named Dwindlehop.

Get on Teamspeak:
Server: www.f13.net:8767
Password: kekela

[dwindlehop]

And by practice, I mean shooting at live targets. 

[Raging Turtle]

I'll probably be there.  I need serious practice in my 'ceptor. 

[Evangolis]

Given the skills below, what sort of a ship setup (and short term training plan) would you suggest for putting together for Saturday? 

This is the current state of Gen Haz, a Caldari soldier I created with the idea that I would use him to learn a bit about PvP.  I've got 3-4 mil on Skarn Tok that I can spare to buy/pay for some skill books, expendable frigates (Merlins, I suppose, you have those out that way?), and new clones for Gen if/when needed.  Here are Gen's current skills. 

Current skills:

Electronics IV
Electronics Upgrades I
Engineering III (21 hours until 4 as of this posting)
Shield Compensation II
Shield Operation III
Shield Upgrades II
Gunnery V
Sharpshooter I
Small Hybrid Turret V
Missle Bombardment II
Missle Launcher Operation IV
Rapid Launch III
Rockets IV
Standard Missles III
Caldari Firgate III
Spaceship Command IV
Mining I
Learning IV
Iron Will II
Spatial Awareness IV
Science II

I've got EVE Mon set up and working, but I'm not really sure what I should be working toward, and want to avoid my generalist tendancies.  My preference, at least at first, would be to snipe, but maybe that is a mistake?

[Chenghiz]

I have Chenghiz parked in Akora in a Rifter ready to go for Saturday. Looking forward to this.

[Viin]

Given the skills below, what sort of a ship setup (and short term training plan) would you suggest for putting together for Saturday? 
 ...
I've got EVE Mon set up and working, but I'm not really sure what I should be working toward, and want to avoid my generalist tendancies.  My preference, at least at first, would be to snipe, but maybe that is a mistake?

You could snipe, but I don't think you do much with a small turret. What about a rocket tackler? Could do some rocket launchers, webber, scrambler, and whatever else you want to play with.

[dwindlehop]

I think your best bet in is in a Griffin, outside of 20k, ECMing your little heart out. Get some Electronic Warfare and you're all set for that. You could add the railguns for even more fun.

If you snipe, you must stay out of range. If you're going to stay out of range, you need speed. You have no Navigation skills. It's definitely a possibility, but I tihnk the time to train will exeed your Saturday deadline. You'll have cap issues.

I think rockets are a fine plan with those skills. I would train at least some Navigation, Evasive Maneuvering, and Afterburner, like to 1.

If you snipe, get some Motion Prediction and Sharpshooter levels.

You may need capacitor power relays to have enough cap for the ECM or AB if you go that route. I forget what the required skills are, but evemon will tell you. Also get energy system operation and energy management.

The other option is blasters and a shield booster. That's something you'd definitely need Navigation & Afterburner for.

[Evangolis]

Thanks, I'll look into those ideas, and try to get setup someplace nearer your base.

[Evangolis]

I’m looking for input for a loadout to use tomorrow.  I pulled a Merlin and some L1 mission drops out of Skarn’s containers and gave them to Gen.  The Merlin will take 2 Hybrids, 2 Missles, 4 mids, and 2 lows. 

For the weapons, I’ve got 150MM Carbide Rails or Light Ion Blasters, and standard missles or rockets, depending on whether I would be better off fighting at about 15-19km or 1000-1200 meters.  That’s my first question.  Fighting in close with rats has not been a great experience, but I expect PvP would be rather different from ratting.

In the mids, I’ve got the choice of an afterburner which puts my speed to 470m/s, a 15% cap recharge module, a 200 point shield extender, a T2 Shield Booster, a Statis Webifier, and a Fleeting Progressive warp scrambler.  I might also be able to put a multifrequency ECM module or modules in there.  Which four of these would work best for tomorrow is my largest question mark.

For the two lows, I’ve got a choice between a power diagnostic I module (Which makes everything fit better), and either a small armor rep or a 100mm armor plate.  I suppose I could also mount some sort of armor hardener or resistance buffer in there.

My original thought was to mount a short range offensive setup, with the webber and scrambler, using the shield mods as my tank, with the armor repper to fix any bleed through, and the diagnostic to help my power and cap.  Power is tight, but I have CPU to burn.

I’d appreciate input, no matter how theoretical it might be.

[hal]

Not an specific answer but a general answer about PVP vs PVE in eve. Missiles (rockets) do predictable damage. Guns and blasters can do huge damage if the range is just right. Blasters are used in PVP because you need to be close to web and scramble anyway why not fry them while your there. If you don't scramble and web they will just run away, well unless they think they can out dps you in which case you wish they would just run away. In eve ECM is more important than DPS.

[dwindlehop]

My plans changed and I'm online now, if anyone wants advice or practice.