Wii Q&A Thread

[Sairon]

I can't stand trying to FPS with a thumbstick either, but that's why I have a computer with keyboard and mouse, which is miles ahead of the wiimote. :)

[Alkiera]

I can't stand trying to FPS with a thumbstick either, but that's why I have a computer with keyboard and mouse, which is miles ahead of the wiimote. :)

I have that too.  I don't expect to play FPS on my Wii (assuming I can find one) either... But I said to show why the fact that some of the top selling exclusive titles on the other new systems are FPS do nothing to attract me to those systems.

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Alkiera

[stray]

Nintendo actually has one of the better shooter titles around. You should play Metroid Prime 1 and 2 (and then 3 when it's released on the Wii). As far as single player oriented experiences go, those are top notch games.

Don't worry about them being overly twitchy. They're more tactical and adventure oriented than that.

If you just want competitive online play when it comes to FPS's though, then you're out of luck.

[HaemishM]

If you just want competitive online play when it comes to FPS's though, then you're out of luck.

Unless you have a PC.

I find it funny that you guys complain to holy hell and back when Nintendo DOES innovate the console market, both with emphasis on pricing and the new control scheme which changes the way you have to design and play games, and yet can in the same breath dog MMOG's for their lack of innovation. Which is it? No innovation is bad or innovation is bad? You can't say the innovation in the Wii doesn't work, because it DOES WORK, and the market is showing that it also sells.

We get it. NINTENDO IS NOT CATERING TO "HARDCORED" GAMERS WHO DESIRE NEXT-GEN GRAPHICS. It's not the end of the world. Sony isn't catering to me, who cares about cost-effective gaming and doesn't have an HDTV. I've had my bitch about that, now I'm done. You don't see me bitching that the Wii isn't getting a FIFA or MLB2k7 game, why are bitching that it's getting other 3rd party games?

[Yegolev]

I am coming here late, sorry.  Been on the beach.  While at the beach, I played more Final Fantasy Tactics Advance... so much, in fact, that last night when I got home I made a new virtual memory card on my PS3, named it Final Fantasy Tactics, and started up a new FFT game.

I have played the US version of FFIV and some of the localized JP FFIV on PS1, and I prefer the JP version.  The US version that many of you remember from the SNES was a castrated version of the real one.  Anyway, I would also love to see FFIV on a real console (yes, real console) for various reasons.  Mostly this is because I only play with my DS when I don't have access to one of my main systems; I sure as fuck don't sit on my sofa playing it, that's just asinine.  I am somewhat sad that FFIV is being sent to the DS, but I do have the Japanese PS1 version so I don't really care that much.

I do have the GCGBP, yes, but firstly that is basically a Nintendo-brand hack and second the graphics of a GBA game look like ass on a HDTV.  Ass!  Also, my Cube has been banished from the entertainment center.  What would be a nice thing is for the Wii to be able to play DS games, but who the hell would connect two TVs to the thing?

[stray]

If you just want competitive online play when it comes to FPS's though, then you're out of luck.

Unless you have a PC.

I find it funny that you guys complain to holy hell and back when Nintendo DOES innovate the console market, both with emphasis on pricing and the new control scheme which changes the way you have to design and play games, and yet can in the same breath dog MMOG's for their lack of innovation. Which is it? No innovation is bad or innovation is bad? You can't say the innovation in the Wii doesn't work, because it DOES WORK, and the market is showing that it also sells.

We get it. NINTENDO IS NOT CATERING TO "HARDCORED" GAMERS WHO DESIRE NEXT-GEN GRAPHICS. It's not the end of the world. Sony isn't catering to me, who cares about cost-effective gaming and doesn't have an HDTV. I've had my bitch about that, now I'm done. You don't see me bitching that the Wii isn't getting a FIFA or MLB2k7 game, why are bitching that it's getting other 3rd party games?

WHOA. WHOA. WHOA.


Whoa.


Again I say, Whoa.





Here I was trying to praise Metroid Prime and recommending it. Saying that there wasn't a competitive online element had nothing to do with dogging it. I just pointing out to Alkeira that, if that's the kind of the thing he has in mind when he hears "FPS", then look elsewhere. Other than that, it's a fine series.

[Yegolev]

Metroid Prime is not a FPS.

[stray]

Kind of my point too.

[EDIT]


I'm going to say "Whoa" again.

Whoa.

Some of you try way too hard to attack me. It's like a parody or something at this point.

[HaemishM]

I wasn't attacking you. Dial back teh martyr syndrome, y0.

[Yegolev]

Some of you try way too hard to attack me.

Negative.  Just saying.  You know you my boy.

[stray]

Some of you try way too hard to attack me.

Negative.  Just saying.  You know you my boy.

Oh I wasn't directing that towards you. Just to Haem again. His reply was so mindblowing that I needed to say something again.

[stray]

I wasn't attacking you. Dial back teh martyr syndrome, y0.

Sure seemed like the rant was directed towards me.

Anyhow, you get my point now. Metroid Prime is a good single player experience is all I'm saying.


Also, I have a emo syndrome. Not interested in being a matryr too much though. ;)

[HaemishM]

That isn't to say that I (and I bet even Schild) won't get used to it (at least I know I'm able to appreciate good game design, no matter what hardware it's on), but you can't expect gamers to just roll over about it like nothing happened. It's a legitimate complaint -- for the reasons that I said above: That Nintendo has broken tradition as far as how upgrade paths go. When things have been done the opposite way for decades, then we have a right to complain when someone departs from that. There's nothing unreasonable/asshole-ish about it.

This was the statement that most of my post was directed at. You're essentially saying that Nintendo was wrong for trying to follow a different path with a new console. You are dinging them for innovation while you complain that MMOG's don't innovate enough. If I was attacking you, I'd have called you names, with colorful expletives. I didn't.

You and schild have become this two-headed Cerberus dog of pooping on anything Nintendo does. His is the head with more poop, obviously, but you seem to chime in with the same "OH IT'S NOT HIGH DEF GRAPHICS!" whine.

[stray]

I'm just a quite little voice of dissent. Not a pooper. ;)


Anyways, you reply makes more sense when you quote that post. What you originally quoted though was my Metroid related post. That's what made things confusing.

[Velorath]

I have played the US version of FFIV and some of the localized JP FFIV on PS1, and I prefer the JP version.  The US version that many of you remember from the SNES was a castrated version of the real one.  Anyway, I would also love to see FFIV on a real console (yes, real console) for various reasons.  Mostly this is because I only play with my DS when I don't have access to one of my main systems; I sure as fuck don't sit on my sofa playing it, that's just asinine.  I am somewhat sad that FFIV is being sent to the DS, but I do have the Japanese PS1 version so I don't really care that much.

At least it's just an FF remake going to a portable.  I just read the announcement that Parasite Eve 3 is going to be a cell phone game.

[Yegolev]

Ngh... cell phones.

[Sauced]

I want to play this.  It's on the Wii.  Therefore I like our Wii.

[Strazos]

The sword-swinging combat looks like it would just devolve into spam-swinging across the screen. 

[Sauced]

Well, I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for being wary of it, but I'm going to be optimistic.  It looks like you do have to be fairly active when on Defense - that looks like fun to me.  It might come down to how long you have to execute the "special" offensive moves.

[stray]

Any RPG's on the Wii is a good thing. Hell, any RPG's on any of the new consoles is a good thing. There isn't much goin' on as of yet.

That being said:

/voice of dissent 

It's kind of a bold jump though. Many RPG's, including the DQ series, haven't even evolved to the point of utilizing a regular game pad well (I can only think of a few off the top of my head). Some don't even try to, and give you entertaining combat systems that work mainly through menu navigation and turn based moves. Some try -- and suck.

So I'll just say that I hope it works out, but I'm skeptical.

[Alkiera]

Here I was trying to praise Metroid Prime and recommending it. Saying that there wasn't a competitive online element had nothing to do with dogging it. I just pointing out to Alkeira that, if that's the kind of the thing he has in mind when he hears "FPS", then look elsewhere. Other than that, it's a fine series.

Oh, I have no illusions as to what to expect from Wii titles vs. other console's titles.  Though, if I was into online FPS, I wouldn't be buying a console...  I'd being buying HL2(still haven't), or some title that begins with BF, or something.

No, what I want out of the Wii is a few retro titles, some multiplayer co-op/vs. titles, that kind of thing.  I was at a friend's house with a buncha people, and we spent some time beating people up in some teen-titans flavored thing that was pretty amusing, on his GameCube.  That's the kinda thing I'm interested in.  Maybe some story-mode in Soul Caliber 3.  None of these things demand good graphics, as I'm gonna be watching it on a 20" CRT anyway.  It's more about the multiplayer-in-my-living-room functionality.  If I want online play, I have MMOs.

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Alkiera

[stray]

Cool enough. My only point was that if you happened to still want other types of games, you'd wouldn't be left high and dry on a Nintendo platform necessarily. It's not about illusions. Some quality titles (other than party or fighting games) will eventually be there. You don't have to relegate yourself to some niche or anything.

Metroid Prime is still better than most things on other platforms (though as Yeg pointed out, it's not strictly an FPS. It's more of an FPS/Adventure hybrid). There's also still a future for the Resident Evil franchise with Nintendo (rail shooters aside). And just Capcom stuff in general. You'd be doing yourself a favor by playing stuff like Viewtiful Joe or Okami (if and when it gets ported).

And if the DS is any indication, I bet some devs will start cranking out Adventure titles on the Wii. Things that play along the lines of Lost in Blue, Phoenix Wright, Contact, or Hotel Dusk (maybe not those licenses specifically, but stuff in the same genre).

And no doubt, there will also be platformers galore.

[Yegolev]

When I say Metroid Prime is not a FPS, I do mean that it is a first-person platformer but I also mean that I believe that the archetypical FPS utilizes free-aim.  While you can certainly do that in MP, you are not going to get very far doing so; using the lock-on brings it closer to a 3D Zelda lineage than, say, Doom in Gaming Taxonomy.  If you ask me.

So, this is my concern with MP3.  I think Retro is pretty much going to have to use the Wiimote for aiming and this Metroid Prime could very well be a FPS.  Will a FPS Metroid be any good?  How many Fantavisions and Eternal Rings are we going to see on the Wii before we get to the good stuff?  So far, I think my favorite Wii game is either New Duck Hunt or Fake Bowling.

I am probably going to start a new game of Baten Kaitos as my Wii RPG.

[stray]

Metroid Prime Hunters is closer to an FPS. You play with the stylus, without assists.

So yes, a Metroid FPS can work. That is, if you want to say there's some similarity between Stylus and Wiimote.

...

I don't have any favorite Wii games so far. Not to be a hater, but it really is pretty meh for me at the moment.

Now that I'm a Bleach fanboi though, I want the game they have in JP right now. Link

[Yegolev]

I played the Hunters demo, did not like it.  Too hard to control for the amount of enjoyment I was deriving.  The Wiimote can only be better as far as controlling free aim, so my only concern is how the game will be if it uses free aim.  I predict "half-ass FPS" if it does.

[stray]

The demo and the retail version are practically different games (if I recall, they were like a entire year apart). I don't think I could chart it all out for you (haven't played either in awhile), but take my word for it.  :-D

[EDIT] Well, the one thing that stands out (besides the graphic improvements) was on the fly morphing. Everything felt faster because of it.

Also, it was more friendly to my left hand.

[Yegolev]

I will think about it once I get Advance Wars DS and Portrait of Ruin.

[stray]

Just to mention, I'm not trying to sell you on it or anything. 

I think this just started with Alkiera talking about Nintendo's party orientation, and him trying to not have any illusions or expectations for other types of games.

While I couldn't agree more that that seems to be Nintendo's focus (and something you've all seen me gripe about plenty), when I look closer, it's obvious that they can do other things pretty well too. I mean hell, even though that's their focus, the biggest games on the Wii right now are single player RPG's (or pseudo rpgs, if that floats your boat). Twilight Princess and SPM. Their next biggest game will be Mario Party 8, but after that, they're cranking out two more big single player games this year with Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy. NA and Europe will probably get the new Fire Emblem as well (it's now in Japan at least).

[Alkiera]

Well, I made my rounds this weekend, and the guy at EBStop (Seriously.  Outside, GameStop sign.  Inside, EBGames sign.) said to check on Monday.  Wasn't able to find one at any of the other places, so I stopped by during lunch, and they'd just finished putting them away, so I picked it up and a used copy of Zelda.  Will be spending a BB gift card to pick up WiiPlay and a second nunchuck, or maybe a classic controller for some VC fun.

This is the first console I've owned since I got an SNES like... 14 years ago.  (I've had portables, GB/VB/GBA, but not a real console).

Weeeeiii.

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Alkiera

[stray]

You had a Virtual Boy?

*snicker*

;)

[Alkiera]

You had a Virtual Boy?

*snicker*

;)

I think I paid $25 for it.  Maybe less.  Red Alert was pretty cool, most of the rest was pretty bad.  And the positioning required to see it well isn't comfortable, for anyone.  But true-3d is pretty awesome, even if it's just line-art.

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Alkiera

[sigil]

The rest of the Summer release block from nintendo.

 Mario Strikers Charged: July 30 - Nintendo
 Metroid Prime 3 Corruption: Aug. 20 - Nintendo
 Battalion Wars 2: September - Nintendo
 Madden NFL '08: Aug. 14 - EA
 Tiger Woods PGA Tour '08: August - EA
 Space Station Tycoon: August - Namco Bandai
*snipped the junk I don't care about*

Wii and DS to get geometry wars, with single player campaign mode as well as previous versions. ( As long as it's not full price,or the single player and extras are really really good.)

[schild]

If Resident Evil weren't coming out in a few weeks, my Wii would be going up for sale.

[sigil]

If Resident Evil weren't coming out in a few weeks, my Wii would be going up for sale.

Or you could just shoot it to put it and us out of  our mutual misery ;)

[Roac]

If Resident Evil weren't coming out in a few weeks, my Wii would be going up for sale.

Give it a rest, we all know you're going to post about how it was the same game as was on the GC/PS2, but with wiggly controls, and how much you hate wiggly controls.  And fun.  Here, lets cut and paste from your Zelda review:

What do you mean, IT'S THE SAME GAME?!