Wii Q&A Thread

[stray]

I'm going to make a prediction: UT2K7 will allow mouse and keyboard control on the PS3

[Strazos]

I kind of hope they don't, especially if PS3/360 players are allowed to play along with PC players. 

[Yegolev]

Subjectively speaking, I think it's harder to shoot things in Resistance than Halo1/2.  This could be due to the controller, but it's not impossible that Halo is just easier.

Still have not seen a Wii for sale.

[stray]

Not sure about that. I've only played Halo co-op. It was easy.

I think Resistance can be pretty hard, but I haven't played co-op.

[Strazos]

Word on the street says EBstops will have Wiis on Sunday, if anyone is still looking to pick one up. Maybe even a Lot of them. My store is getting something like 21. We usually get 3, and we only had 8 on release.

[schild]

They're doing a big shipment for Wario Ware week? I suppose that's a good idea since they still can't stock controllers and it's only a one player/one controller game.

Just like Sony, stupid. stupid. stupid.

[Strazos]

I don't know, and I don't care. I'm supposed to be going up to NH to work next week, so I don't have to work that stupid Sunday.

[Yegolev]

If I drive to the GameStop and they don't have any... /shakefist

If they do have a Wii but no component cable... /shakefist

[schild]

Walmart carries component cables now. Some third party brand. Sure they're fine. Unfortunately, they don't stock any good games.

Oh, wait. Nobody does. HOHOHOHOHOHOHO. Seriously though, The PS3 and the Wii need to get hit with the cluebat.

[Strazos]

Bump. You better leave now if you want a Wii.

[Triforcer]

Bump. You better leave now if you want a Wii.

Still that popular?  I have friends who swore before Wii/PS3 release that the Wii would retake the number 1 market slot.  I told them they were smoking crack at the time, but I am beginning to have doubts. 

[schild]

No doubts here. The Wii has no chance, not in terms of software market share at least. The moment the PS3 hits full swing and Microsoft beefs up on the other genres of multiplayer, people will start to notice the Wii has no games. It's happened 2 times now, and given what I know about third party support (which is, unfortunately, a lot), it's going to happen again. More people will buy consoles this time around though and MANY more will buy more than one. So while the Wii may be in many more homes than the Cube, it won't have much more of an exclusive marketshare. It's a poor man's gaming system and it shows in everything they do. Just look at the friend code system, which the public at large doesn't even know about. Well, they won't until they get Pokemon and then I'll lololololololol at Joe Sixpack. As it stands, the Wii is doing well because it's cheap and shiny. Nintendo needs to get these stock issues straightened out before March hits also. Here's the release lists for each console through then.

Xbox 360:
Battlestations: Midway
Fusion Frenzy 2
Winning 11 2007 (yay!)
Crackdown w/ Halo Multiplayer (this is what is known as winning Q1)
NBA Street Homecourt
Bullet Witch (squeee!)
Samurai Warriors 2: Empires
Major League Baseball 2k7
GRAW 2
Dej Jam Icon
Medal of Honor: Airborne
Rayman Raving Rabbids
TMNT
Earth Defense Force 2017 (YES!)
Virtua Tennis 3
Armored Core 4

PS3:
Sonic The Hedgehog
College Hoops 2k7
Virtua Fighter 5
Formula One: Championship Edition
Elder Scrolls: Oblivion
Major League Baseball 2k7
Motorstorm
Medal of Honor: Airborne
NBA Street Homecourt
FEAR
Godfather: Don's Edition
Virtua Tennis 3
Armored Core 4
Rainbow 6: Vegas
Splinter Cell: Double Agent
Enchanted Arms

Wii:
Wii Play
SSX Blur
Tiger Woods 07
Bust A Move: Bash!
Medal of Honor: Airborne
Godfather: Blackhand Edition
Prince of Persia: Rival Swords (lol, originally a PSP title - and still is, crossplatform)
Blazing Angels
Cooking Mama

Let's see, the Wii has Cooking Mama. Comes out the last week of March. If you're a minigame whore, I've heard Wii Play is pretty mediocre. The PS3 has, uhmm, not much. Early PS2 redux. BUT, JUST LIKE THE EARLY PS2 IT HAS SOME AWESOME - Virtua Fighter 5. The 360 on the other hand looks like a mid-era PS2: Earth Defense Force, Bullet Wtich, Armored Core (cross platform stuff goes to 360 due to live and achievements, it's better that way), Samurai Warriors 2 Empires, Winning 11, Crackdown? Yea, that wins.

So take your pick. It's all about the games, and the 360 has them in spades. The Wii and PS3 are sucking shit through a camels ass - so sorry.

[stray]

Achievements are OK Schild, but you're overrating AC4 on the 360. It'll be fine on the PS3. Outside of racing titles and things like SSX and THPS, what the hell is the big deal with achievments anyways? I'd play Armored Core online for mech fragging, and not much else (besides, both RR7 and Resistance do their own share of achievement tracking as well....So I suppose it's not out of the realm of possibility for an AC game either).

I think the PS3 Coded Arms comes out around the same time as these titles too. Who knows whether it'll be good, but it deserves a mention anyways.

Haze is coming out for both platforms too....But it's yet another FPS. Has the distinction of being made by the Timesplitters guys though.

Bullet Witch....

I'm sorry, but it literally makes me laugh out loud. Seriously. Dante would slice her throat.

I envy 360 users for having a solid 3rd person Japanese action title like Lost Planet, but Bullet Witch looks like a joke.

Winning Eleven.... Cool.

[WindupAtheist]

Achievements are OK Schild, but you're overrating AC4 on the 360. It'll be fine on the PS3.

I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR SONY DICK SUCK GUSHING JUST BECAUSE YOU BOUGHT A PS3!  FAG!

SONYCOCK!

why am i still awake...

[stray]

Yeah, I like the cock. It's true. Still don't understand how achievements can be such a deal breaker though. What exactly am I missing? Especially in the case of AC?

[Velorath]

Wii:
Wii Play
SSX Blur
Tiger Woods 07
Bust A Move: Bash!
Medal of Honor: Airborne
Godfather: Blackhand Edition
Prince of Persia: Rival Swords (lol, originally a PSP title - and still is, crossplatform)
Blazing Angels
Cooking Mama

Sonic and the Secret Rings, Heatseeker, Blitz: The League, and  Mortal Kombat Armageddon also might be releasing around Feb/March.

Edit: relisted something schild already listed.

[naum]

Bump. You better leave now if you want a Wii.

Just snagged one, actually my daughter got two tickets and bought one for me… …she got in line this morning about an hour and a half prior to store (that "Better Purchase" big box chain deal...) opening and yes, there were more in line than those who got tickets to buy… …I believe they had 50 come in… …headed back today to pick up more games and another nunchuck/controller, if there are any left over still…

[schild]

Uhhh, Coded Arms was canceled. And because of achievements and the solidness of XBL, all my crossplatform games get purchased for the 360. The better controller there helps also.

[stray]

I'd still like you to explain the appeal of achievements for me though. I saw this interview awhile back where some guy from Epic was saying they didn't dig the idea at first, but Microsoft required them to do it for GoW. He didn't think it'd be such a hit. He goes on to mention his surprise when XBox gamers started getting those fucked up Burger King games for the sole purpose of boosting their achievement rating. Not only that, but that they're buying both Japanese and American versions of the same games to double their scores.

Seriously...What the hell? It's almost like loot whoring, except without the loot. And who would have thought such a simple thing would enable even shitty games to be successful?

[voodoolily]

Just so you know, Nintendo stock is worth >$200/share more than Sony ($258 vs. $47). And Microsoft is only worth $31/share. Who is teh winnzor now, schildy?

[Morfiend]

Whoever thought up Achievements for Xbox360 should be given a huge fucking raise. They are awesome and addictive. There have been a few times where I would have put a game down, but I wanted to play just a little bit more to get that last achievement. You really cant understand until you start getting them, and by that time, its to late.

On the Wii. It wont fill in for a Xbox for PS, but it has sort of made its own niche. Last night I was at my friends house, where we would have usually eaten dinner and then played a board game. Instead of playing a board game, we played the Wii. My girlfriend and I, and my friend and his wife. Both the girls usually groan when games come up, but bring up Wii, and they are all for it. This is where the wii will excel. Not in place ofFPS or action games, but in family and multiplayer hotseat type games.

[schild]

Just so you know, Nintendo stock is worth >$200/share more than Sony ($258 vs. $47). And Microsoft is only worth $31/share. Who is teh winnzor now, schildy?

Stockholders. If only it was gamers.

[voodoolily]

The bottom line is that Ninentdo is by far the most profitable of the big three companies. Sauced and I are kicking ourselves for not buying in before the Wii's launch, (and for not picking up on Vivendi before Burning Crusade).

Edit: added parentheses.

[stray]

On the Wii. It wont fill in for a Xbox for PS, but it has sort of made its own niche. Last night I was at my friends house, where we would have usually eaten dinner and then played a board game. Instead of playing a board game, we played the Wii. My girlfriend and I, and my friend and his wife. Both the girls usually groan when games come up, but bring up Wii, and they are all for it. This is where the wii will excel. Not in place ofFPS or action games, but in family and multiplayer hotseat type games.

That's basically how the GameCube was viewed too. Party toy/Electronic boardgame. At the time, that wasn't a good thing for Nintendo, but I suppose having the Wii in so many more homes this time around, it won't be a problem. They can milk that cow, and never have to worry about appealing to the PS/XBox crowd as much as before.

[naum]

On the Wii. It wont fill in for a Xbox for PS, but it has sort of made its own niche. Last night I was at my friends house, where we would have usually eaten dinner and then played a board game. Instead of playing a board game, we played the Wii. My girlfriend and I, and my friend and his wife. Both the girls usually groan when games come up, but bring up Wii, and they are all for it. This is where the wii will excel. Not in place ofFPS or action games, but in family and multiplayer hotseat type games.

BINGO!

Mass market crossover appeal

Mrs. Naum, while a big board/card game fan (not much of a electronic gamer, lest Crazy Taxi or elf-bowling or other trivial puzzle/card distractions that fleetingly qualify as "games") was the big urger and reminderer of purchasing a Wii… …I would have waited 'til they were in full stock, discounts applied and games o plenty…

Now excuse while I go in search of Wii component cables that seem to have disappeared from all the local merchant store shelves…

[Azazel]

Yep, that's how I'm seeing the Wii and my use for it as well. No traditional console games on it you say? Meh, I don't care, I have a PS/Box for those. It's going to be like my cube, which is mostly party games, and any exclusives that appeal to me. I don't intend to buy anything that doesn't feel native to the control scheme. I'll rent as many as I can to try them out (NFS: Carbon will be the next rental) but I'm really not expecting anything worthwhile from cross-platform titles unless they're developed primarily as Wii games and ported across to the others (like Rayman).

Wii Play is lackluster. If it's released in the US as a standalone piece of software, I would not recommend it at all. If it's released in the same way it has been here in Australia (as a pack-in for a Wiimote for an extra couple dollars) then I do recommend it as a cheap muck around. The neon air hockey, shooting game and the fishing game are all worthwhile in that context.

[Riggswolfe]

I'd still like you to explain the appeal of achievements for me though.

There is nothing like seeing that little popup at the bottom of your screen. "Achievement unlocked". It's a hell yeah moment. It's almost like the ding-grats cycle in an mmo. I've been known to go back and replay some annoying game just to get as many achievements as possible. It's fun to get them and one of the best ideas MS has had in the console wars.

[stray]

I hate ding grats. I shit on ding grats. It'd be a cold day in hell before I mingle ding grats with my button bashing.

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Sorry, not directed at you. Just venting.

[EDIT]

Like I said though, point keeping and bragging rights could appeal to me for certain games, but the point whoring in and of itself does not. Doing some elaborate combo in THPS, or Spider-Man, for example, would be worth bragging about. Finishing a track in so and so amount of time would be great as well. Having a "flat" Gamer Rating, with no real attention on the specific games, however, is lame to me. If someone can get general cred on XBL for playing through Burger King games, then I find it a bad idea. That doesn't tell me whether they're a good gamer or not.

[EDIT]

Wait, is there a way to look up a Gamer Rating, and then see what games and moves they got it from? Can you sift out mere point whores from people who are doing the truly impressive stuff? I mean, if someone has a high Gamer Rating, then I want to see that he has high records of headshots and good kill/death ratio in shooters; fast timer speeds in racers; that he can do 900 Kickflip-Mctwists in Tony Hawk...Etc, etc..

[Riggswolfe]

Wait, is there a way to look up a Gamer Rating, and then see what games and moves they got it from? Can you sift out mere point whores from people who are doing the truly impressive stuff? I mean, if someone has a high Gamer Rating, then I want to see that he has high records of headshots and good kill/death ratio in shooters; fast timer speeds in racers; that he can do 900 Kickflip-Mctwists in Tony Hawk...Etc, etc..

Yep. You can see their individual achievements listed by game if you wish. Some of the achievements are definitely of the "this tells me something about them" type. For instance I have the pistoleer achievement in Rainbow Six for killing 150 terrorists with only a pistol. There are achievements for number of wins in an online match, headshots, etc. There are some pretty cheesy achievements too. "Finished level 1 on any difficulty level" is a typical one for the single player mode of most FPS.

[stray]

Cool enough then.

So far, PSN does nothing like that. Probably never will. It's just there for connectivity. The games themselves implement their own achievements (Resistance MP has all the standard FPS staples, like headshots etc.. You also gain military rank like you do in Battlefield. Ridge Racer and Gran Turismo track your lap scores and the like. Sports games do their own things).

Basically, all the same things as XBL, but without the convenient, centralized hub (about the only thing that's centralized is chat and messaging). If you want to know how good someone is in Resistance, then you have to have the game yourself.

[schild]

Sup bitches. I got some Jennifer Morrison action going on.

[Riggswolfe]

Good god you've got alot of points compared to me Schild. I'm in the 6k area. Of course, I don't tend to actively try to get achievements in my games.

[Yegolev]

People are still getting to stores five hours early so they can play fake bowling.  The guy I heard about that did that yesterday (5am for a 10am opening) was second in line.  I don't care about the rest of the GameCubey lineup of the Wii since it is apparently the Second Coming of Pong.  Also, I'm sad because I just have to have one.

[stray]

Looks like Gamestop is doing a similar deal for the Wii and DS as they did the PS3. Link

Trade in a GBA for $50 credit towards a DS, or trade in a GC for $50 credit towards a Wii.

[HaemishM]

I don't care about the rest of the GameCubey lineup of the Wii since it is apparently the Second Coming of Pong.  

Pong kicked ass back in the day, because there was nothing at all like it. Being the Second Coming of Pong would be a good thing to anyone but the most jaded hardcore gamer asshole.