As if Sony could not do any worse...

[HaemishM]

Why is it acceptable to buy a PS3 for $600 on launch based on a POTENTIAL lineup that may suck but it's not acceptable or smart to buy an MMOG on release day based on the potential for fun once they patch it?

The PS3 is the SWG of consoles.

EDIT: Though it might actually have collision detection.

[schild]

The SWG of consoles?

What?

[Special J]

● Untitled ~Anime Project~ ~TBD, TBA~
● Untitled ~Mech Action~ ~TBD, TBA~
● Untitled ~RPG~ ~TBD, TBA~
● Untitled ~Shooter~ ~TBD, TBA~
● Untitled ~Sports~ ~TBD, TBA~

I'm sorry, I'm lost.  I seem to have clicked a PS3 thread and ended up in a Phantom thread.

[Riggswolfe]

The only thing on that list that looks even remotely exciting is the list of JRPGs and frankly, I'm getting to a point where this racist "only publish them on a Japanese console" shit is pissing me off.

The rest of it is either:

A) Already on 360
B) not exclusive
C) untitled potential vapourware
or
D) Exclusive but not that exciting.

Meh.

[StGabe]

I can do even better than "no wife, no kids".  TWINK ("TWo Incomes, No Kids").  All the same I don't see anything here that justifies $600+.  I want to want it, but that release list is a big pile of "meh".  Plus I have a huge stack of PS2 titles to get through.  It's a mixed blessing for Sony.  On the one hand, nothing on the PS3 in the near future comes close to competing with GH2, KH2, FFXII, God of War and Okami (all games I'm still playing).  On the other hand, those games go a long way to making me believe that eventualy there will be some great games I want on the PS3. 

I think Sony will get their act together but I'm going to wait to actually see that happen before I drop $600, which is a lot of money no matter how you look at it.

[Fabricated]

I'm just going to say this.

If you buy one and ebay it, especially if you have other people get in line to buy more so you can ebay those too, you are a faggot and should be hit by a truck.*

*And if you don't like the word faggot, I don't care. It's too good of a word not to use. How about cunt next time instead?

[Velorath]

I'm just going to say this.

If you buy one and ebay it, especially if you have other people get in line to buy more so you can ebay those too, you are a faggot and should be hit by a truck.*

*And if you don't like the word faggot, I don't care. It's too good of a word not to use. How about cunt next time instead?

I'm too lazy to camp out for pre-orders or midnight PS3 launches to bother with the ebay thing.  That said, I feel the say way about people ebaying PS3's as I do about gold farmers in MMO's.  They wouldn't be doing it if there wasn't a market for it.  I can understand the guy trying to make some easy money a lot more than I can understand the guy paying a couple grand for a PS3.

[Rasix]

I'm too lazy to camp out for pre-orders or midnight PS3 launches to bother with the ebay thing.  That said, I feel the say way about people ebaying PS3's as I do about gold farmers in MMO's.  They wouldn't be doing it if there wasn't a market for it.  I can understand the guy trying to make some easy money a lot more than I can understand the guy paying a couple grand for a PS3.

There's a market for just about every despicable exploitative act on the planet.  That's a poor, poor excuse.

But I guess they're exploiting suckers, so that's OK. 

[Velorath]

There's a market for just about every despicable exploitative act on the planet.  That's a poor, poor excuse.

But I guess they're exploiting suckers, so that's OK. 

And in most cases where the "victim" willingly subjects themselves to those despicable, exploitative acts, I have a hard time blaming the person taking advantage of it.  Most of those acts involve exploiting suckers, from marking up PS3's to getting people hooked on cigarettes.

[Signe]

Walmart sent around an email for Wii and PS3 preorders.  The PS3 bundle started at over $1400... looked like a lot of games though... and the Wii bundle started at about $650.  Both were already "out of stock" when people received the emails. 

Dumbasses.

[Viin]

I'm in the TWINK category too, but I won't be buying a PS3. I'd much rather upgrade my PC to a quad core Intel, dual SLI box (even though it costs a thousand more) .. at least I'd be able to use it for more than just a few games that are exciting for about 2 weeks.

[Big Gulp]

I'm just going to say this.

If you buy one and ebay it, especially if you have other people get in line to buy more so you can ebay those too, you are a faggot and should be hit by a truck.*

*And if you don't like the word faggot, I don't care. It's too good of a word not to use. How about cunt next time instead?

If I could get my hands on one (or hell, several) I'd put those bitches on eBay in a heartbeat and not lose an ounce of sleep.  Strangely, I've never felt bad about screwing morons out of their cash.

[SnakeCharmer]

I'm just going to say this.

If you buy one and ebay it, especially if you have other people get in line to buy more so you can ebay those too, you are a faggot and should be hit by a truck.*

*And if you don't like the word faggot, I don't care. It's too good of a word not to use. How about cunt next time instead?

If I could get my hands on one (or hell, several) I'd put those bitches on eBay in a heartbeat and not lose an ounce of sleep.  Strangely, I've never felt bad about screwing morons out of their cash.

You and me both.

Capitalism at its finest.

[Special J]

If I could get my hands on one (or hell, several) I'd put those bitches on eBay in a heartbeat and not lose an ounce of sleep.  Strangely, I've never felt bad about screwing morons out of their cash.

I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone that need a console so badly at release that they have to pay a premium for a system off eBay. They've got money they obviously need to get rid of; maybe I should help them.

That sort of payoff would be the only thing that might convince me to stand in line for one.

[Etro]

I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone that need a console so badly at release that they have to pay a premium for a system off eBay. They've got money they obviously need to get rid of; maybe I should help them.

That sort of payoff would be the only thing that might convince me to stand in line for one.

Perhaps all these people that will buy their ps3 off ebay follow the logic "Good Things Cost Good Money". If I had the money and the opportunity, I'd do exactly what Big Gulp Said:

If I could get my hands on one (or hell, several) I'd put those bitches on eBay in a heartbeat and not lose an ounce of sleep.  Strangely, I've never felt bad about screwing morons out of their cash.

Sometimes I think that companies like Sony do this kind of crap on purpose. They know there is going to be a high demand for the console (after all its the new PS!), so why don't they cut the numbers and bump up the cost, gives the product a sense of being a limited edition.

The people who I feel sorry for are the parents that are going to suffer from the whines of kids for the new PS, they are going to be out of pocket enough nevermind the fact its going to be extortionate to resort to eBay for one if they are desperate enough.

[WindupAtheist]

Those people are idiots, and should give their kids a Wii and an invitation to STFU.

[Samwise]

The people who I feel sorry for are the parents that are going to suffer from the whines of kids for the new PS, they are going to be out of pocket enough nevermind the fact its going to be extortionate to resort to eBay for one if they are desperate enough.

You know what I say about people with kids like that -- it's never too late for a back alley abortion.

[Yoru]

Those people are idiots, and should give their kids a Wii and an invitation to STFU.

Or better yet, an invitation to work retail for a few months and save up enough for a PS3 on their own. That'll learn 'em the value of money.

[vex]

The people who I feel sorry for are the parents that are going to suffer from the whines of kids for the new PS, they are going to be out of pocket enough nevermind the fact its going to be extortionate to resort to eBay for one if they are desperate enough.

Don't feel sorry for them.  You reap what you sow.

[squirrel]

Well the funny thing is that the PS3 is going to have the widest window ever to succeed. And deservedly so I guess. I remain of the opinion that Sony as a co. lost their nerve when Apple ate their walkman lunch and now are only capable of making good TV's and video cameras.

[MrHat]

Heh, I wonder if you keep it sealed in the box, if you can get even more in like 3 years.  "Super rare first round PS3 sealed in box, with receipt showing date of purchase."

[eldaec]

I remain of the opinion that Sony as a co. lost their nerve when Apple ate their walkman lunch and now are only capable of making good TV's and video cameras.

Sony do not make good TVs or cameras. You are just falling for Sony's typically excellent marketing strategy. The same strategy that explains why the PS3 is sold out everywhere despite the cost.


Sony's greatest strengths have always been to break niche products through further into the mass market, and when that breakthough advantage fades, to pretend that their kit (which is typically identical to all other budget brands) should demand a premium.

They lost walkman dominance long before the ipod, but continued to do well by pretending the walkman brand was a premium product.

The PS1 gave them similar breakthrough success, widening the console market substantially, but now that dominance has faded, they are aiming to pretend that the playstation brand deserves a premium (hence the ubiquitous marketing nonsense about how cell chips are the most powerful thing evar).

It's far too early to say that they will fail. The reason people in this thread think the PS3 is overpriced flim flam, is because people here know the product. People who know televisions, or who know cameras, make very similar threads on their message boards about how Sony products in their arena are also overpriced schlock.

If I could get my hands on one (or hell, several) I'd put those bitches on eBay in a heartbeat and not lose an ounce of sleep.  Strangely, I've never felt bad about screwing morons out of their cash.

Quite right too.

The transfer of economic buying power out of the the hands of the foolish is probably good for the entire economy in the long run.

[Signe]

I don't see a thing wrong with buying something at one price and selling it at another.  Somehow I doubt you'll be exploiting homeless people or brain damaged nuns or anything... just people with more dollars than sense.  They know and they expect to be exploited.  It's in the stupid rich fuck manifesto.

[Miasma]

The issue isn't selling the machines for several times what they're worth, both people are happy there, the seller made a nice profit and the freak got his precious video game system.  The person ebaying screws is the guy behind you in line that isn't rich enough to buy it from ebay so he stood around all night after hunting through dozens of stores to try and get one.

I don't care too much about that guy either but I still wouldn't buy a PS3 just to ebay it.

[Signe]

No, I would do that either but not for any altruistic or moral reason....  I'm just too lazy.  It would be a bother to stick it in a box and wrap it up and take it to the post office and stand in line.  All that bother.  I only buy stuff so I have it.  I've never bought or sold a thing on eBay, although I do believe Righ has a couple of times.  (bought, not sold)  Mostly stuff to do with music.  I have to admit, I was very very tempted to buy an Onyx 2 once, but I got over it.  I have a thing for those old dinosaurs.

[Yegolev]

Heh, I wonder if you keep it sealed in the box, if you can get even more in like 3 years.  "Super rare first round PS3 sealed in box, with receipt showing date of purchase."

See if you can find anyone willing to buy -- or just take for free -- a v1 PS2.  If I wasn't laying out so much cash already in '06, I'd probably get a new PS2... but the antediluvian one I have now works most of the time.  In three or four years, people will want the new reengineered PS3 that already contains the v9 board and v13 OS and is smalller than a breadbox.

I'll get a PS3 eventually.  That software list is all the explanation I need to give.  I don't particularly feel the need to get one right away, though.  It's mostly about the finances.  If I were not married or a father, and if I didn't pay $1800/mo for my mortgage, etc., I'd have gotten a preorder already.  Maybe even a Wii preorder.  I'd also have a 360 already, and I'd have a museum-type room set up where I would have my old consoles.  I'd also have the "missing" consoles and a slew of games for them.  It perturbs me that I don't own a Dreamcast or an Atari 2600.  So, really, it's all about being a responsible adult in my case, and that's pretty fucking weird but true.

The item that jumped at me on the NeoGAF list was Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

[Velorath]

The item that jumped at me on the NeoGAF list was Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

The 2nd remake of an Xbox game is what jumped at you?

[Sairon]

I remain of the opinion that Sony as a co. lost their nerve when Apple ate their walkman lunch and now are only capable of making good TV's and video cameras.

Sony do not make good TVs or cameras. You are just falling for Sony's typically excellent marketing strategy. The same strategy that explains why the PS3 is sold out everywhere despite the cost.

Um, Sony has some of the best HDTVs out there, even when considering bang for the buck.

[Yegolev]

The item that jumped at me on the NeoGAF list was Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

The 2nd remake of an Xbox game is what jumped at you?

Yes.  Because it's an exclusive.  I think that's odd.

[schild]

Team Ninja has their B Squad working on this one while Itagaki works on Code Chronus and DOA5 or whatever. I'll still be getting it.

[Big Gulp]

The person ebaying screws is the guy behind you in line that isn't rich enough to buy it from ebay so he stood around all night after hunting through dozens of stores to try and get one.

Sorry, I don't feel bad for him either.  Maybe he needs to ditch the obsession with being "guy with the new shiny", because we know that the system is going to be readily available in a matter of months.  Or, if he wants to keep his obsession, he needs to take a second job to meet the prices that eBay demands.

In any case, I have no obligation to him.  For all I know, that guy in line behind me (or the homeless guy I've paid to stand in line) is in line for just the same reason; to sell it on eBay.  This is just the natural consequence of a rare product being in high demand.  You can't blame the person seeking to profit from such a situation, it's what keeps this crazy economic system we've got going working.

[Miasma]

The Japanese systems aren't being auctioned off too easily.  They seem to have a glut of auctions though, 4,000 out of only 90,000 sold are being re-sold.  There are auctions in the US up to $2,300 just for a pre-order box.  Since the PS3 is region free I don't quite get it, what is stopping people from buying the Japanese systems?

[schild]

It's not region free for movies.

[NiX]

[Yes.  Because it's an exclusive.  I think that's odd.

Not odd at all. Why would Microsoft or Team Ninja waste time porting the original Gaiden over to 360? Just work on Gaiden 2.

[schild]

Correct!

There's nothing exclusive about Ninja Gaiden Sigma. I'll still buy it because, well, I'm a whore. But it's definately damaged goods at this point and guaranteed money. Everyone likes a skank.