Useless Conversation

[Nebu]

Nebu is correct here.

To be fair, the author of the book that Naum linked makes some excellent points.  There is a metabolic inefficiency that does exist when replacing simple carbs with fats/proteins that can lead to weightloss even when cal in > cal out.  I just haven't found any studies that look at the long-term effects.  Most nutritional experts I've chatted with at meetings agree that low carb diets should be limited in timeframe to avoid long term detrimental effects. 

[MuffinMan]

Do people even stay on a diet type long enough to get to the long-term? They'll give up in a month and try another new whizbang diet a year later.

[naum]

Nebu is correct here.

To be fair, the author of the book that Naum linked makes some excellent points.  There is a metabolic inefficiency that does exist when replacing simple carbs with fats/proteins that can lead to weightloss even when cal in > cal out.  I just haven't found any studies that look at the long-term effects.  Most nutritional experts I've chatted with at meetings agree that low carb diets should be limited in timeframe to avoid long term detrimental effects. 

I'd be delighted to peruse some other sources -- Taubes was the 1st I've seen to really whack at the question from a full blown "science" perspective and the data presented was overwhelming (as is the author who lives out the results -- as stated, the author eats "excessive" amounts of bacon and cheeseburgers, and posts his labs on his blog) though he is careful to note that there are factors we still do not know enough about (especially long-term). But his work makes all work hitherto that I've seen from doctors, nutritionists, diet experts du jour, etc.…  …the nutritionists and doctors keep repeating the same refrain (calories in / calories out), but the data points otherwise.

[Yegolev]

It's like an Elder God... on a taco.

"The animal we made it from is extinct."
"Cow?"  "Goat?"
"Think smaller... more legs..."

[Yegolev]

Unrelated, I seem to have a nest of european wasps somewhere around my house.

[Ingmar]

How can you tell, are they wearing berets?

[Nebu]

The female ones have hairy armpits. 

[Yegolev]

I believe they are German rather than French.

[Ingmar]

Turtlenecks and tight pants then?

[Sky]

How did those honeycrisps get deflected? Damn you, nutrition!

Anyway, sitting with all the windows and doors open for a nice breeze in the 40s, fire crackling away and about 75 in the living room. Really wishing I had one of those Sam Adams dunkels right about now. Discovered them eating at a sports restaurant with the old lady, asked if they had any non-Bud/Miller/Coors beer on tap. Threw her for a loop, and she said, "...and Sam something.." and the other waitress said, "Dunkelweizen" YES PLEASE ZOMG WHY DID I DRIVE?

It's like my two favorite beers (dunkel and hefeweizen) got it on in the backseat of a 57 chevy and had a love child.

[Salamok]

I'm betting knee high socks and leather sandals.

[ghost]

The service there is so completely abysmal that I can't even start to think about the food.

Anyone who lives near any kind of real city should easily be able to find good Italian food without hitting a chain anyway. It's ubiquitous.

Not in San Antonio.  The only thing you get here is steak, barbecue and mexican food. 

[Ruvaldt]

The service there is so completely abysmal that I can't even start to think about the food.

Anyone who lives near any kind of real city should easily be able to find good Italian food without hitting a chain anyway. It's ubiquitous.

Not in San Antonio.  The only thing you get here is steak, barbecue and mexican food. 

Zocca.  It's good as long as you don't mind eating on the Riverwalk.

[Evildrider]

The service there is so completely abysmal that I can't even start to think about the food.

Anyone who lives near any kind of real city should easily be able to find good Italian food without hitting a chain anyway. It's ubiquitous.

Not in San Antonio.  The only thing you get here is steak, barbecue and mexican food. 

Who needs Italian when you have steak and barbecue?

[Selby]

Not in San Antonio.

Yeah.  And unless I go into San Francisco proper, no good Italian on the peninsula either that I've been able to find.  And I hate going into the city.

[Ingmar]

Not in San Antonio.

Yeah.  And unless I go into San Francisco proper, no good Italian on the peninsula either that I've been able to find.  And I hate going into the city.

Try Don Giovanni in Mt. View.

[Selby]

Try Don Giovanni in Mt. View.

I like recommendations!  All my friends have shit for taste or extreme low budgets.  I ask about Mexican food and they say "go to El G's!" and that's one step above the mobile lunch stands (and very good, but sometimes you want more variety).

[Merusk]

Anyway, sitting with all the windows and doors open for a nice breeze in the 40s, fire crackling away and about 75 in the living room. Really wishing I had one of those Sam Adams dunkels right about now. Discovered them eating at a sports restaurant with the old lady, asked if they had any non-Bud/Miller/Coors beer on tap. Threw her for a loop, and she said, "...and Sam something.." and the other waitress said, "Dunkelweizen" YES PLEASE ZOMG WHY DID I DRIVE?

It's like my two favorite beers (dunkel and hefeweizen) got it on in the backseat of a 57 chevy and had a love child.

Hmm.. I think I'm going to have to make a trip to the store and hunt this down. First time I've heard of it and I've got a similar love for dunkel and hefe.

[Minvaren]

Similar to that one is the classic Schneider Aventinus.  Going to give a clone of that a shot this fall, now that I have decoction experience under my belt.

All love for dark wheat beers.  Well, minus the Shiner double wheat I tried last night - bit sour for my palate.  

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[Ingmar]

Try Don Giovanni in Mt. View.

I like recommendations!  All my friends have shit for taste or extreme low budgets.  I ask about Mexican food and they say "go to El G's!" and that's one step above the mobile lunch stands (and very good, but sometimes you want more variety).

Try Fiesta Del Mar, also in Mt. View. 

[Ironwood]

What is it about finales these days.

The Killing.
Torchwood.
Big Bang Theory.
 
All finished recently and were utter, utter offensive drivel.

Stop this jerking my meat of 'suddenly SOMETHING HAPPENS'.

Wanks.

[Reg]

You're just lucky it isn't the end of the Dr Who season yet. I can't begin to imagine what kind of magical nonsense they're going to come up with this year just to torture you. 

[Soln]

Tom Segura.  Funny comic.  Recommended for Pandora listening.

[Ironwood]

You're just lucky it isn't the end of the Dr Who season yet. I can't begin to imagine what kind of magical nonsense they're going to come up with this year just to torture you. 

It won't matter, I don't watch anymore.

[Ard]

And yet you'll still know what happened in excruciating detail!   

[Sjofn]

Try Don Giovanni in Mt. View.

I like recommendations!  All my friends have shit for taste or extreme low budgets.  I ask about Mexican food and they say "go to El G's!" and that's one step above the mobile lunch stands (and very good, but sometimes you want more variety).

Casto Street in Mountain View (where both restaurants Ingmar recommended are) has a bunch of pretty good places for various sorts of food. It's part of why we still live in our apartment, they're all in walking distance. 

[ghost]

Maggiano's is good for a chain.  And they have gluten free which is crucial for me.  I really can't do a real Italian restaurant due to the gluten issues. 

[Strazos]

It seems pretty much all restaurants in suburban southern NJ are chains. All of them - I got up to visit folks, and they can only suggest chains to eat at. 

[ghost]

It's not just the restaurants.  I guarantee you that you could go to any one suburban area in the country and compare it to a similar suburban area in another state and 90% of the stores would be the same:  Lowes, Home Depot, Office Max, Office Depot, Chipotle, Starbucks, Target, etc. 

[Strazos]

It's damn depressing, too. 

[Selby]

It's part of why we still live in our apartment, they're all in walking distance.

Excellent.  Mountain View is maybe 10 minutes away with light traffic, so I'll totally look into that.

[Furiously]

It's damn depressing, too. 

Actually, as a traveler it's pretty nice to know you can get a consistent meal at Olive Garden.

[Sand]

It's damn depressing, too. 

Actually, as a traveler it's pretty nice to know you can get a consistent meal at Olive Garden.

Sure if you like consistantly horrible quality suburban Italian food.

[Furiously]

When it's a Monday and between a seedy red lobster and the olive garden, I'll pick the olive garden.

And their salads are delicious... And their salad dressing is gluten free.

[Merusk]

Thanks for reinforcing what I said earlier, Furiously.