Useless Conversation

[Yegolev]

Trucks are more convenient if you own a home.  Not that I'm disagreeing, there are a lot of people driving huge trucks as commuter vehicles.  If I didn't have one, it would be irritating.  In particular, I use it as a garbage scow so I don't have stink in my car when the bag is ripped.  Mine doesn't look particularly nice, but it's for utility.

The worst part about the typical SUV owner is that it is often a mom who does not want to be seen in a minivan. 

I see you've had that conversation with mothers at the kid's school, too.

My mom flat-out admits it and I give her nothing but hell about it.  "Mom, you're 58.. you don't look cool in anything you drive. Stop it."

Yes, other husbands at work confirm this also.  It's pure vanity.  My wife has been complaining about driving the pickup to get my son at school because she doesn't like how it compares to the high-end SUVs that the other moms drive.  I pointed out that I see other pickups during dropoff, but she says those are expensive-looking tricked-out jobs... which is true but they still look like hicks.  Hicks with money, but still.  One of us is missing the point.

The dads seem to be the ones with the cars.

[Cyrrex]

It is equally bullshit when they claim it is to haul stuff either in the vehicle or behind on a hitch.

This would be where you're making assumptions based on inadequate data. Like if I said Odyssey owners were misogynistic, arrogant and prejudicial.

Also, how's that Odyssey in a foot of snow or on a muddy track? How would the carpet in there stand up to masonry mortar? How many tons can your back axle handle? How many 2x4s can you fit in it, how many sheets of drywall? Can you tow a boat or trailer? What's the ground clearance? How's the mpg on that Honda, anyway? I hope you only use it when you have a full passenger load or a full cargo bay, otherwise you are being wasteful and should drive a subcompact.

Any smart couple has two vehicles. One car that gets great mileage for long trips and local driving and a utility vehicle, truck or SUV, for, you know, utility. We're considering one of those little smart cars for our little guy next purchase cycle, they'd be awesome for the commute or for small grocery trips. But then you'd see my fiancee in the FJ and think she's some mega retard bimbo on a cell phone because she needs to pick up a couple end tables that won't fit in her car, right?

But hey, it's more fun to get all smug and superior about how much you're saving the planet and how fucking excellent you drive. Rock on, you superior models. How dare Chargy own land and take care of it, or have some toys. You guys are real pieces of work sometimes.

You continue to miss the point.  All of those jobs that you listed which are actually valid uses for such a vehicle?  That isn't what people use them for.  THAT IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE USE THEM FOR.  If you do, then cool.  You aren't really part of the problem.  Did I forget to mention that that isn't what people use them for?

Edit: and as far as that goes, Chargerrich really isn't so much part of the problem either.  He just happened to put himself in the line of fire.  Just like you're doing.

[Sky]

You continue to miss the point.  All of those jobs that you listed which are actually valid uses for such a vehicle?  That isn't what people use them for.  THAT IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE USE THEM FOR.  If you do, then cool.  You aren't really part of the problem.  Did I forget to mention that that isn't what people use them for?

Did you just say I'm not a person?

Also, how many people who dislike SUVs and trucks live in states that don't get snow storms that can dump over a foot of snow in a few hours?

[schild]

That's precisely what he was saying, obviously.

[Sky]

That's precisely what he was saying, obviously.

Hey, look. There you are!

[Brogarn]

To correct myself and admit a reading error, when I first quoted Cyrrex, I thought they had quoted Sky. My bad. I was actually, in rarity, agreeing with Sky. These generalizations about truck and SUV owners is off the scale of retard and you guys are so blinded by your prejudices, you're just not seeing it.

[schild]

To correct myself and admit a reading error, when I first quoted Cyrrex, I thought they had quoted Sky. My bad. I was actually, in rarity, agreeing with Sky. These generalizations about truck and SUV owners is off the scale of retard and you guys are so blinded by your prejudices, you're just not seeing it.

Yea, it's blind and predjudiced, we don't drive on the highway and see a bunch of assholes with spitshined and empty SUVs and Trucks all day.

Remember, I'm in Texas.

[HaemishM]

Also, how's that Odyssey in a foot of snow or on a muddy track?

I don't know about the Odyssey, but I've driven my dad's Dodge 1500 truck recently. This fucking thing is huge and I hate huge vehicles. The power steering makes it turn a lot easier than I thought. But it has absolutely SHIT traction. I almost spun out the other day coming out of a stop light on wet pavement. I didn't even gun it, I actually was coming out of the left turn at what I thought was a slower speed. Fucking thing starts fishtailing like a bitch. Maybe it would do better in a snow bank, but on wet pavement, it was piss-poor.

EDIT: Also, SUV's in snow banks? SHIT SHIT SHIT. SUV's are probably some of the least safe vehicles in the best of conditions. I would imagine when it snows, they are even fucking worse. They are status vehicles, plain and simple. Minivans and station wagons are better at being people/rugmuncher haulers and trucks are vastly better at hauling inanimate shit. Neither ginormous hick trucks or bimbo box SUV's are good commuter vehicles, but the majority of fuckheads I see driving both are using them specifically for commuter vehicles.

[Sky]

I would imagine

[Cyrrex]

To correct myself and admit a reading error, when I first quoted Cyrrex, I thought they had quoted Sky. My bad. I was actually, in rarity, agreeing with Sky. These generalizations about truck and SUV owners is off the scale of retard and you guys are so blinded by your prejudices, you're just not seeing it.

Yea, it's blind and predjudiced, we don't drive on the highway and see a bunch of assholes with spitshined and empty SUVs and Trucks all day.

Remember, I'm in Texas.

I live in the massive suburban sprawl that is the suburbs north of Chicago.  We get the crazy snow sometimes.  That isn't why people drive these things. 

And "generalizing" is perfectly useful in this case, because the argument is that most people who drive these monsters (note: not all people) do not need them.  It is that fucking simple.  I am surrounded by hundreds of thousands of them.

[Viin]

What do you mean?

Owning a massive truck, along with your own gov'ment subsidized house, is part of the American dream! It's a Constitutional right!

Why else bail out the manufacturers of such dangerous, polluting, gas sucking beasts?

(That's green, btw).

[Lantyssa]

This would be where you're making assumptions based on inadequate data. Like if I said Odyssey owners were misogynistic, arrogant and prejudicial.

Sometimes it's true.

Eclipse drivers are assholes.  Every single one.  Even if they're awesome drivers in other cars, put them behind the wheel of an Eclipse and they became an asshole of the highest order.

Volvo drivers are the shittiest in the world.  Know why their cars are the safest?  Because with the drivers that user their cars, they have to be or the death toll would be astronomical.  I see a Volvo, I get the fuck away from it.

[Viin]

Volvo drivers are the shittiest in the world.  Know why their cars are the safest?  Because with the drivers that user their cars, they have to be or the death toll would be astronomical.  I see a Volvo, I get the fuck away from it.

I think the question is: Is it because Volvo's are safe that their drivers drive like blind and deaf old ladies? Or are the cars made safe because Volvo knows their target demographic just happens to drive like blind and deaf old ladies?

Personally, I believe Volvo drivers drive they way the do because of the car, just like Porsche drivers like to cut you off and go fast, and SUVs like to go 80mph in a driving rain storm, and crotch rockets do wheelies down the highway at 120mph.

[Lantyssa]

Philosophically, it's a chicken and the egg conundrum.  Practically, it's a get off the damn road issue.

[WayAbvPar]

Back to mattresses-

My wife and I bought a memory foam/Tempurpedic mattress after we got married. It was bliss for about a year.One morning I got out of bed and cut my leg on a stray piece of wire hanging out of it. It had a 20 year warranty, so we had it replaced. We slept on the new mattress for another 3 years or so. It is supposed to retain its original shape and not cave in like a spring mattress. Not so much. Big holes on both sides of the bed, just like a spring mattress! Not sure if we will bother to have it replaced again, but probably will (decent for a guest room).

We recently invested in a Sleep Number bed. So far so good- it has held its shape, and the ability to change firmness on the fly is pretty sweet. Caution- don't screw around with the settings to entertain yourself and forget to reset it before you fall asleep. I did that last night and woke up sore as hell from sleeping at like 85 (normally use 55-60).

Also- I am officially old as dirt. I remember mocking Craftmatic adjustable beds when I was a spry youth. Just the other day I was propping myself up to watch something on TiVo before going to sleep and thought 'Wow, now I can see the wisdom of an adjustable bed!'.

Getting old sucks.

[Merusk]

Also, how many people who dislike SUVs and trucks live in states that don't get snow storms that can dump over a foot of snow in a few hours?

The Saturn and the Buick before it worked just fine.  Fuck, I grew up driving a Firebird in Cleveland winters.  It's something you learn to do, SUV or no, and you damn well know it.  

Eclipse drivers are assholes.  Every single one.  Even if they're awesome drivers in other cars, put them behind the wheel of an Eclipse and they became an asshole of the highest order.

Volvo drivers are the shittiest in the world.  Know why their cars are the safest?  Because with the drivers that user their cars, they have to be or the death toll would be astronomical.  I see a Volvo, I get the fuck away from it.

The Eclipse drivers are eclipsed (   ) by Mercedes drivers and most BMW drivers.   There aren't enough Volvos around here for me to judge on that one.

Also- I am officially old as dirt. I remember mocking Craftmatic adjustable beds when I was a spry youth. Just the other day I was propping myself up to watch something on TiVo before going to sleep and thought 'Wow, now I can see the wisdom of an adjustable bed!'.

Getting old sucks.

You mocked those? You must not have read in bed a lot as a youth.. I longed to have one from the age of 12 to 15.   I also wanted one of those reclines that are custom-built to your measurements and would tilt back and forth on a crescent mount.  "Just like the astronauts chairs!"

[Signe]

I can see you guys buying Craftmatic beds.  And maybe Clappers, too.  And teeth!

[gryeyes]

You must not have read in bed a lot as a youth.. I longed to have one from the age of 12 to 15.

I wanted a race car bed.

[FatuousTwat]

My Mom was a hospice nurse for about 10 years up until the end of July, and even during the huge snowstorm we had hear last year her Impreza did just fine. Of course, she has a set of stud-less snow tires, and has taken winter driving classes. And it has enough space to hold all the supplies she ever needed for taking care of sick old people (which is more than you would think).

What I'm getting at is, there really is no need to own an SUV unless you are actually hauling shit around, and even then, a truck with optional canopy would work better most likely. The only time I've ever been glad of someone having an SUV is when I went camping somewhere for more than a few days the last time, and then the fucking thing almost killed us twice (which was no real fault of its class). Of course this wasn't one of those shiny new SUVs, it was an old 1980s suburban.

[Strazos]

So we got our openings for Entry Level Officers today, and...I shit you not, there is an opening for a position concerning...

Pirates.

No joke, Pirates.

[Viin]

Awesome, perfect for you!

[Cyrrex]

Pirates.

No joke, Pirates.

Are you going to be allowed to hire ninjas?  I hear they work pretty well on pirates.

We recently invested in a Sleep Number bed. So far so good- it has held its shape, and the ability to change firmness on the fly is pretty sweet. Caution- don't screw around with the settings to entertain yourself and forget to reset it before you fall asleep. I did that last night and woke up sore as hell from sleeping at like 85 (normally use 55-60).

And just how were we entertaining ourselves, hmm?  You'll go blind, you know.

[chargerrich]

Also, if you are uncomfortable spending more than $200 on a mattress, ask for a bigger trust fund.

Wow I can sign up or ask for a trust fund? I want one, link please!!!   

[chargerrich]

Yea, it's blind and predjudiced, we don't drive on the highway and see a bunch of assholes with spitshined and empty SUVs and Trucks all day.
Remember, I'm in Texas.

Man I wish my truck was spitshined.

2009 F150 loaded, 40k truck, bought in April 09. As of today odometer reads 13,1xx, truck bed is dented and scratched to hell because I did not line-x the damn thing yet and have hauled tons of stuff from gravel to ATVs, have a deep gash in back of tailgate from my son driving a garden tractor off the trailer while unhooked but still attached to truck (ouch), numerous scractches and a few dings already and the truck HAS NEVER been washed (but have planned to the last two weeks) 

[Yegolev]

I don't think we are mad at you now.  Also we have moved on to mattresses.

[Sky]

My pickup had a beat-to-shit liner in it. It was old and paid for, so I abused the hell out of it, but it was only a dinky 2WD ranger and I only liked the utility of the bed. I almost bought a f150, but I'd have needed the extended cab and I didn't want such a long vehicle. Also, cab-style covers (don't know the actual term) mess up the top of the bed walls, the ranger used to have one before I put the liner in and it scratched and rusted the heck out of the bed walls. I had hail dings and paint scrapes and all kinds of crap on that truck, it was a warhorse...but it sucked ass in the winter, 2WD and a 4 cyl, no matter how much weight you put over the back axle it just drove like shit. Anyway, disliking those cabin back thingies and also the bed covers. I also had a cherokee previous to that and the last band truck was an ancient silverado, I really just wanted another cherokee, but Jeep is fucking nuts with their lineup right now. Looked at the new wrangler rubicons, but the FJ was way more comfortable, and we can store all our gear in it for travelling. No carpet, so it's great for doing construction projects, too. Just need a trailer to move the small engine stuff around now (mower/snowblower) and to get the bigger loads I occasionally haul. I do wash the shit out of the new truck, compensating for never washing any of my old trucks :)

On beds: Do you guys rotate your mattresses? One downside to a pillowtop is you can't flip it, so I've been rotating it religiously to try and keep it evenly worn.

[schild]

No, but we still think he's stupid.

Anyway,

Had enough drinks at a Valve Party last night to kill Yegolev and Rasix if they combined to be more than 6' 200lbs.

Woke up drunk.

[Yegolev]

Had enough drinks at a Valve Party last night to kill Yegolev and Rasix if they combined to be more than 6' 200lbs.

Fatter now, but I'm not going to challenge you.  I was fed too many PBR a few weekends ago and reminded why I don't drink beer anymore.  Well, to be fair I was already drunk on various scotches when I got to the bar, and maybe it was the Yuengling, but I am still blaming the PBR.

Woke up drunk.

I remember those days.

[schild]

I just stared at your smiley until it stopped spinning around.

I have no clue if I'm making it into work today, but I'll take suggestions on food. Typically I'd go to Denny's or something for drunk food. But I've slept, I'm coherent but totally wobbly. I'm thinking a big bowl of cajun soup will do the trick, but I'm not so sure my stomach won't revolt and try to kill everyone in a 15 foot area around me.

[Yegolev]

I had Progresso Chicken Noodle and it stayed down.  Saltines are also good.  I'm sure you already had some Diet Coke, but I prefer regular.

[gryeyes]

Eat a piece of fruit and relax until the spinning stops. Then begin eating in earnest.

[schild]

Eat a piece of fruit and relax until the spinning stops.

Gotta shake that scurvy.

[Yegolev]

Fuck that, Coke has vitamin C, also caffeine and sugar.  HFCS works just like regular sugar for giving you some energy.

[gryeyes]

Soda sours my stomach when im all thrashed but I do tend to drink liquor and juice. Usually goes water-fruit-try to smoke-then depending on if the cig made me vomit, eat something with salt. Put the first step is passing out next to a gallon of water so you can drink it on zombie mode throughout the night/morning.

[schild]

Had a bottle of water.

Drank a diet sunkist (10% fruit juice, motherfuckers).

Had a cigarette.

Feel OK now.