Useless Conversation

[Signe]

It really isn't hard not to argue.  Really.  Also, most of you say the things you say because it makes you feel better about being terrible at making a point.  You can disagree with me all you like but I have already dismissed you as nothing more than petulant crappy arguers so don't expect a reply.

[schild]

You can disagree with me all you like but I have already dismissed you as nothing more than petulant

Women did this to men back when they decided to get jobs and felt the right to 'vote' was important. What's new?

[Signe]

SHUDDUP!

Righ is going on a "business" trip to J. Millard Taws Clam Bake.  How does that sound like work?   

[Yegolev]

Anybody can win an argument, it just has to be a winnable argument with provable facts.  Arguing about how someone felt at a particular place in time or how an action made someone else feel is not a winnable argument, no matter how much men and women want to believe otherwise.  That just becomes a battle over who can feel the best at the end of the argument, an usually it isn't worth it to go for total scorched earth (from either side) over what usually is a very trivial discussion to begin with.

Unmarried?  Women never use logic when arguing.  They are not trying to uncover the actual truth, they are trying to get you to agree with whatever they have already decided is true.  The solution here is liberal application of "Yes, dear."

For example other than the yard/garage or electronics I always try and stay out of the home decor process.  She however always insists on my input, I usually give in once"Honey i'll be happy with whatever you pick out" has progressed to "I really don't give a shit".  Anyhoo once I give in to the endless pestering we usually end up getting what I "want"  which is why 12 years later I am still hearing about how our living room ended up being entirely brown (travertine tables, brown leather sofa/chair, natural wood entertainment center, brown faux stone lamps, etc..) 

Married.  See, what happened here is that she bought something she wanted and when it inevitably fell out of style or her girlfriends crapped on it, it was really your fault.  Right out of the playbook.

As a rule, I don't argue.  My wife makes an inflammatory statement and I agree with her as a matter of course, true or not.  Of course, she has caught onto this and now it just enrages her further, which just gets more "Hrm" and "If you say so" from me.  I'll correct factual errors, but that's not the same as arguing.

[Cyrrex]

I'll correct factual errors, but that's not the same as arguing.

Which, of course, enrages her further.  It is spooky how universally true some things are.  I thought you were me for a moment.

[Pennilenko]

Keep going guys, ive got my notepad, Im learning alot (relatively young marriage here, only a year and a half) these tips are amazing........

[Yegolev]

We don't know shit, and we never will.  I'm really just getting onto a confrontational (fewer "Yes, Dear"s) bender due to my recently-developed mental problem(s), ostensibly to reduce stress.  Also, old_and_grouchy++.

Actually a bit of advice Killjoy dropped on me was to look at the aggravating shit you put up with as a license to be a grouch.  That perspective changes things a good bit, and I can almost look forward to cleaning up dog shit from the puppy my wife adopted.  "I cleaned up two piles of shit today, I'm going to play EVE/Disgaea/Ninja Gaiden/Steambot until I pass out."

[Merusk]

I win arguments all the time.  Of course, it gets me labeled as an ogre and there's crying but I ignore it until she calms down.  You've got to be a stone hearted bastard if you want to win anything with a wife.  No, I don't sleep on the couch, either.  I paid for the bed, I'll sleep in the bed. Yar.

[Signe]

Blah.  Blah.  Blah.

[Tale]

Blah.  Blah.  Blah.

I see "beating a dead wife". Hmm. 

[schild]

Blah.  Blah.   Blah.

This is an interesting way to totally support the guys on this one.

[Signe]

Hush. Man. 

Also:

HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY TO VOODOOLILY! 

Hope you got STUFFS! 

[Selby]

Well, I guess I was schooled =P  I don't know, the ability to win arguments that are logical strikes me as something that is obvious and trying to even engage in something that is unwinnable just sounds like you are setting yourself up for fail.  Sounds like most of you guys fall into that trap enough to know better ;-)

[voodoolily]

Hush. Man. 

Also:

HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY TO VOODOOLILY! 

Hope you got STUFFS! 

Oh how sweet is my widdle Siggy-Wiggy! I got some stuffs, including an ice cream maker. I'm finnuh make my own marshmallows from scratch, toast them, and make rocky road ice cream.

[voodoolily]

Hush. Man. 

Also:

HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY TO HOAX, WHO SHARES A B-DAY WITH VOODOOLILY! 

Hope you got STUFFS! 

Oh how sweet is my widdle Siggy-Wiggy! I got some stuffs, including an ice cream maker. I'm finnuh make my own marshmallows from scratch, toast them, and make rocky road ice cream.

[Yegolev]

Well, I guess I was schooled =P  I don't know, the ability to win arguments that are logical strikes me as something that is obvious and trying to even engage in something that is unwinnable just sounds like you are setting yourself up for fail.  Sounds like most of you guys fall into that trap enough to know better ;-)

At some point (when you realized she's not connected to any fact-based reality) you stop trying to get your point across and just do what you think will get her to shut the fuck up.  After that comes the stage when you see just how torqued-up you can get her over something ridiculous.  Maybe that's just me.

[Selby]

Maybe that's just me.

Everyone needs a hobby I guess!

[Signe]

I hope you're just teasing.  I hope all of you are just teasing!  It's sad how some of you talk about your wives.  I don't think Righ has ever said anything like this stuff about me to anyone ever.  I think I would completely freak out if he did - in a very sad way, not a mad crazy way - but I know he wouldn't.  It doesn't sound like most of you have married the right people.  I know some have - Cevik, Haemish, WAP, and some others - because I've known them for ages and it shows.  VDL and Sauced are obvious, too.  I think I'll just consider it all to be just teasing.   I'll shuddup about the good ones because I don't want to chance jinxing them.  There.  Done.

[Ironwood]

You realise that we don't say this stuff in front of the wives ever, right ?

The chances of you hearing what Righ actually says in jest is virtually nil.


And yes, my wife is awesome in every way.  That still doesn't mean the lizardman part of my brain agrees with the concept of marriage.  We do it to shut you up.

[Merusk]

Oh, we weren't being serious? Damn.. uh..

Also, there is no "right" person.  As years of dating taught me, there's just "person I don't feel like replacing." 

[Cyrrex]

Of course we're jesting.  At least, up until the point that we determine that we all actually agree, at which point we're serious as fuck.

[Ironwood]

Anyone else worried that the 'give away a pet' and 'snacktastic thread' appear to be competing ?

How long till the merge, one wonders...

[Oz]

How long till the merge, one wonders...

some recipe ideas...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat

[voodoolily]

Anyone else worried that the 'give away a pet' and 'snacktastic thread' appear to be competing ?

How long till the merge, one wonders...

That juicy pink meat photo? Looks like beef, tastes like beef, but brother, it ain't beef.

[HaemishM]

You realise that we don't say this stuff in front of the wives ever, right ?

I do. Sometimes she actually agrees with what I say about our arguments, most of the time she just tells me to shut the fuck up you monkey. I still maintain that women speak one kind of English and men speak another.

[Yegolev]

My wife is the one that is always saying we need to communicate more.  I told her that she doesn't really want to know what I'm thinking, but since she's nagged me for over a year about it, I'm giving in little by little.  Just this weekend she asked me if I had always been so vulgar but was just hiding it... which of course all men are.  I really didn't know what she meant and she said she would tell me next time I said something like what she had noticed.

So I'm playing GTAIV and just took Kate to the diner.  Nico and Kate are getting into the smoking wreck of a car and Kate says "Oh, I'm so full!"  I say, "You're going to be even more full when I get you home," and my wife says "There!  That!  Is that because you had your breakdown or did you always think like that?"  "Oh, I always think like that."

[Ironwood]

Yes.

I'm reminded of the Buffy episode where she's suddenly given the ability to read thoughts.

Her comment 'The boys in this school are psychotic' is pretty much a good gauge for what the average man might be thinking when confronted with Buffy Summers.

Women DON'T want to know what we're thinking.  Ever.

I learned that the first time I gave an HONEST answer to 'what are you thinking'.  Long story short, her sister and mother weren't into those games.

[Cyrrex]

Her comment 'The boys in this school are psychotic' is pretty much a good gauge for what the average man might be thinking when confronted with Buffy Summers.

That got me to thinking that if they ever did a "What Men Want" movie (ala the Helen Hunt/Mel Gibson version, just in reverse), it would at the very least be x-rated, and almost certainly illegal in most of the continental US.

Long story short, her sister and mother weren't into those games.

Lol.  Possibly.

[Nebu]

That got me to thinking that if they ever did a "What Men Want" movie (ala the Helen Hunt/Mel Gibson version, just in reverse), it would at the very least be x-rated, and almost certainly illegal in most of the continental US.

If women knew what men were thinking 99% of the time, they'd be pretty disappointed.  At least the few that don't already know.

[Cyrrex]

True, but maybe they'd stop fucking asking all the time.  I might have to try it for a day and see what happens.

[Merusk]

I just blurt it out. I have no filters around my wife or, oddly, in /guildchat of MMOs unless there's kids around.

Most responses are just, "You're really fucked in the head, Mer."  To which I'll often say; "I know, and I'm not even on drugs!"

Of course we're jesting.  At least, up until the point that we determine that we all actually agree, at which point we're serious as fuck.

I knew we were jesting, I just don't do green - particularly not in "Useless Conversation" which may have lead to the confusion. 

[Cyrrex]

And I knew that you knew that I knew that Ironwood was jesting.  White text that should be green is far more intersting than actual green text.

[Brogarn]

My fiance asked me what I was thinking once. <Danny Vermin> Once </Danny Vermin>. Unfortunately for her, I told her. It was a train of thought I had that all started with a lit window I could see through the trees along the side of the thruway as we were driving home. I won't recount it as it was a circuitous train of thought and frankly rather boring. She was quiet for about 30 seconds after I recounted my thought patterns and then said "I will never ask you that question again." It's been months so far and she hasn't.

[Chimpy]

Does she ask you any questions anymore?

[Sky]

My fiancee loves my circuitous thought patterns. She's nuts.

I'm a romantic: "I look forward to spending the rest of my life putting up with you."