Useless Conversation

[Paelos]

You know what I can't wait for? Is when the next bunch decide that you guys who are deciding what they are going to feel are the real enemy.

What?

[Merusk]

Kaldun's very sensitive about picking on Millenials. It's been a theme and apparently now affects his typing, though it's probably just typing on a phone.  I believe he was going for, "Stop deciding how other people feel for them."

Yes, Schild has a job.

So...your a millennial.

You're.

Also, I am that awful accident that happened between Generation X (who I share nothing in common with) and the millennials (a group whom I share even less in common with) - a term that didn't exist before 1987. I believe we're referred to as Generation Catalano. Mostly, we're awful white people, but happen to have marketable skills because the internet didn't exist when we were kids.

Fake Edit: Decided to look it up, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Catalano

I would prefer a more precise nomenclature that calls people born post-internet to be the cyber generation (which is too cool a name for them), so let's stick with millenials for 87-2000. I am more a fan of Generation Y, even though that got tossed out the door in 1987, to label those born between 80-81 and 87-88. 2000-now, we will refer to as Totally Fucked Generation, I Hope You Like Manual Labor and Flipping Burgers, You Utterly Skill-devoid Slaves or more aptly "Generation I Hope You Have a Trust Fund."

And Gen X wasn't applied to kids form the 70s until the late 80's/ early 90s. When it's applied doesn't matter much.

Also, there's sub-cultures of Xers. I'm an MTV sub culture, while the guys in their 50s have more in common with the kids of That 70's Show sometimes called "baby busters" due to the decrease in kids. Doesn't mean we aren't both Xers.  Also doesn't mean shit to marketing folks (where this all derives from) who will continue to use the same methods for both sub-cultures to surprising effectiveness. Same as it will be with Y and Z.

[Samwise]

I would prefer a more precise nomenclature that calls people born post-internet to be the cyber generation (which is too cool a name for them), so let's stick with millenials for 87-2000. I am more a fan of Generation Y, even though that got tossed out the door in 1987, to label those born between 80-81 and 87-88. 2000-now, we will refer to as Totally Fucked Generation, I Hope You Like Manual Labor and Flipping Burgers, You Utterly Skill-devoid Slaves or more aptly "Generation I Hope You Have a Trust Fund."

I agree with all this.  There really is a very sharp dividing line between people who remember the time before the Internet and people who do not.

[schild]

Do you have a job yet?

Yes, I started a company a year ago with one other person. Next years goal is 3M (ok, realistically 1.5).

Do you even lift?

[schild]

Also, there's sub-cultures of Xers. I'm an MTV sub culture, while the guys in their 50s have more in common with the kids of That 70's Show sometimes called "baby busters" due to the decrease in kids. Doesn't mean we aren't both Xers.  Also doesn't mean shit to marketing folks (where this all derives from) who will continue to use the same methods for both sub-cultures to surprising effectiveness. Same as it will be with Y and Z.

I can tell you flat out, and with utmost confidence, that advertising that targets the millennial does not work on my sort of out-of-time generation. Nor does Gen-X advertising. That shit just struck us as strange in our youth.

The first time I had this argument with someone, I used the dividing line of Garden State. If you that movie "spoke to you," you're probably a millennial.

Edit: All Garden State does is annoy the ever loving piss out of me.

[Strazos]

Learn something new every day - so relieved to learn I don't have to consider myself a dirty millennial.

[Paelos]

Do you even lift?

Of course not, I'm an accountant. Are you high?

[Reg]

But you do train ufc though, right?

[Yegolev]

This thread took a turn toward awesome.  Somebody tell me what my label is.  It will be like having my palm read.

[Pennilenko]

This thread took a turn toward awesome.  Somebody tell me what my label is.  It will be like having my palm read.

I think of you as, "Destroyer of the Bad Posters, Bringer of the Proper Grammar."

[schild]

This thread took a turn toward awesome.  Somebody tell me what my label is.  It will be like having my palm read.

The aftertaste of a generation whose effects will be felt for several hundred years. You're not to blame, but you'll make a fine effigy of Gen X when we need someone to burn.

[Paelos]

This thread took a turn toward awesome.  Somebody tell me what my label is.  It will be like having my palm read.

Hang on Floopy. Floopy hang on.

[Lantyssa]

This thread took a turn toward awesome.  Somebody tell me what my label is.  It will be like having my palm read.

I think of you as, "Destroyer of the Bad Posters, Bringer of the Proper Grammar."

"That Guy Who Answers With Pictures."

[Yegolev]

I figured you'd at least need to know my birthday.  Which is probably why schild answered the way he did.  Aftertaste of Gen-X.  Awesome.

[Brofellos]

I'm such a millennial it's embarrassing. You guys are old.

[Samwise]

I'm 33 so I'm at the very end of Gen X by some definitions, but I don't think I fit the Gen X stereotype any better than I fit the Millennial stereotype.  I like that link Schild posted defining "Generation Catalano" as the My So Called Life generation.  That feels much more like me.

[Paelos]

I'm 33 so I'm at the very end of Gen X by some definitions, but I don't think I fit the Gen X stereotype any better than I fit the Millennial stereotype.  I like that link Schild posted defining "Generation Catalano" as the My So Called Life generation.  That feels much more like me.

Heh we're the same age.

[schild]

Most of us are the same age. I turn 33 in 2 months.

[lamaros]

Yeah, I'm 7 months away...

[Ruvaldt]

Yep.  34, here.

[Reg]

Damned kids.

[Rendakor]

Just turned 31.

[Ironwood]

Damned kids.

[RhyssaFireheart]

Damned kids.

[rattran]

Damned kids.

Get off my lawn!

[Xanthippe]

Damned kids.

Get off my lawn!

[Lantyssa]

*Yells at Cloud (server)*

[Xanthippe]

I am stunned at how stupidly parents behave. The only time an employer or professor ought to have contact with anyone's parent is for notification purposes in case of the death of the employed or student, but I've been assured that this not only happens but happens fairly regularly.

It's not enough that we are impoverishing an entire generation with the idea that a college education is an absolute necessity and worth whatever it costs, but we have infantilized young adults beyond reason.

Ah well, those of you competing against that cohort ought to have an easier time, at least.

[schild]

Damned kids.

Damned elderly.

[Paelos]

Ah well, those of you competing against that cohort ought to have an easier time, at least.

Frankly it's been really easy. If you're willing to distinguish yourself as not a complete hand-held idiot in this generation, you can have whatever you want.

I'm constantly confused by what gets accepted as actual "work" in any field. It's like being terrible at your job is not only accepted, it's encouraged.

[Yegolev]

Belongs in the job thread, but I'm finding the quip about not needing to outrun the bear, only the other guy, to be more and more applicable in terms of career.  I've decided this is why I've been retained to do work on tech I'm unfamiliar with while account veterans who were employees before the outsourcing were let go.  I'll not get preachy here, but looks like a lot of people aren't taking success seriously.

[Paelos]

I'll not get preachy here, but looks like a lot of people aren't taking success seriously.

A lot of people have shitty versions of success.

[Yegolev]

I'll not get preachy here, but looks like a lot of people aren't taking success seriously.

A lot of people have shitty versions of success.

Oh, yeah, that's another area of discussion which I'm sure you are keenly aware of since you have your fingers in other people's money.  A lot of people are happy at whatever they are doing, which is super-fine with me, but if you are unsatisfied with your level then ... do something about it?

I'm mostly thinking of the people who don't seem to realized that being a corporate stooge is like being on a sport team.  Meaning that the team is what wins or loses, not necessarily the individual.  Individuals who don't contribute to the team's success can be invited to go play somewhere else so that the people who do care about winning are not sandbagged.  When the executives are telling you in company-wide and division-wide meetings that you have to become profitable, that's what you need to do, because that's the corporate equivalent of winning games.

[Paelos]

I'll say this as both a CPA and a semi-exec now.

People are generally unhappy with their jobs when they suck at their jobs, or the company around them is toxic.

But the biggest problem I run into with people is they think small. They don't think company-wide. They think if they are great at this pointless exercise, someone will eventually notice and promote them. That's not how things work. You get better jobs by showing you can think of ways to improve the situation, not just keep the wheels turning.

People that stay in their little sphere or use phrases like "That's not in my job description." Those people get sandbagged and fired.

[Nebu]

Most of us are the same age. I turn 33 in 2 months.

Yes, we're all about the same age.  I'm going with that one.