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Yegolev
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Reply #24570 on: May 23, 2013, 09:32:09 AM

Oh, my heavens. Look what you did.  Cthulu

I know, when there's a HEX kickstarter going on right now.

Why am I homeless?  Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
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Reply #24571 on: May 23, 2013, 09:52:34 AM

No, she's married and older than you, Sky, which makes it all even scarier.  And, yes, I very nearly almost blame myself.  It's just really hard to believe considering what she's like.

And I told you, I've given up match making.  Thinking about it, it might be a little creepy although not as creepy as some F13 stuff.  I just worry about things that are none of my business ALL the time.  :(

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Reply #24572 on: May 23, 2013, 11:57:49 AM

Like Helen Mirren old or Bea Arthur old?
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Reply #24573 on: May 23, 2013, 12:25:22 PM

I don't know how old Helen Mirren is but I think Bea Arthur is old and dead so no.  Not elderly or a pensioner.  Geez.  No more personal info about other people from me, though.  I've learned my lesson ESPECIALLY when you're lurking around, Sky!  Nothing gets by you! 

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Reply #24574 on: May 23, 2013, 12:57:49 PM

I meant more like 'hot' old (Mirren) or 'yegads' old like Bea Arthur (if she wasn't dead if she is dead).

Or not quite so old, more like a Nancy Wilson. Can she do a high kick?
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Reply #24575 on: May 23, 2013, 01:08:26 PM

Well, she was just shy of her black belt when a disc when wrong in her back.  Do you mean Nancy Wilson as in Heart?  Yeah, more like that I suppose and stop making me tell you stuff.  Dammit.  Oh, and she was a librarian just like you (minus the immaculate 14 incher) until she stopped to be a full time artist and illustrator.  Or sommat. 

So what's YOUR family like?


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Reply #24576 on: May 23, 2013, 01:35:38 PM

Oh Dear God, Don't Ask.

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Reply #24577 on: May 23, 2013, 03:01:44 PM

Oh, and she was a librarian just like you (minus the immaculate 14 incher)

Whaat?
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Reply #24578 on: May 23, 2013, 03:03:03 PM

This thread is happenin
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Reply #24579 on: May 23, 2013, 05:39:41 PM

Today, I had guy walk up to me and start asking if I'd got the recall on my fj yet. Quite friendly, but very intense person, so I backed away slowly and calmly.

Felt bad when he turned and walked away, wearing a Toyota dealership service department logo on the back of his coast.

Turns out, they do need to replace the seat belt assembly, and he wasn't a creep, just trying to be helpful. So make an appointment, Sky.
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Reply #24580 on: May 23, 2013, 09:21:25 PM

I'm not sure Sky is a librarian.  I could be wrong, but I think he fixes the computers and stares at people.

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Reply #24581 on: May 24, 2013, 12:46:23 AM

I think he is affianced to a librarian.

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Reply #24582 on: May 24, 2013, 05:20:34 AM

Yes.  She's the librarian he's the crazy nordic-bearded lumberjack IT guy.

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Reply #24583 on: May 24, 2013, 06:56:46 AM

Rattran, I got the initial notice for the recall. Waiting for the dealer to start getting in the parts. Considering a new dealer for service, the one I bought it from is kinda crappy (I have to nag them to do the correct service because it's low mileage, I service it by time not mileage). Anyway, it's only an issue once the panel breaks (from slamming the small doors, apparently).

Not a librarian.
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Reply #24584 on: May 24, 2013, 07:11:35 AM

What is it with recalls?  My sister's Subaru keeps getting things recalled, too.  My brother in law's Toyota (the boxy one that looks like a cartoon car)  has gone through four or five windscreens since he's had it, mostly all caused by a little rock or something bouncing off of it while driving.  You'd think that would warrant a recall since there seems to be a ton of people with the same issue but it hasn't.  I have to get a car eventually.  I'd like to get one that doesn't fall to bits all the time.  Maybe one that used to belong to a drug dealer and has money stuffed in the seats.  And a pygmy goat.

Sorry you're not a librarian, Sky.  You can fix my post to reflect the truth if you like.  I don't know why I confuse you and your fiancee with each other.  It's kind of cute though, isn't it?

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Reply #24585 on: May 24, 2013, 07:45:32 AM

What is it with recalls?

Did you watch Fight Club?

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Reply #24586 on: May 24, 2013, 08:45:14 AM

Did you watch Fight Club?

First rule of Fight Club...

"Always do what is right. It will gratify half of mankind and astound the other."

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Reply #24587 on: May 25, 2013, 03:23:28 PM

Ten inches of rain in San Antonio today.  That's the second highest on record (first was 11 inches in 1998). 
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Reply #24588 on: May 26, 2013, 08:01:01 AM

So, random question of the day: I'm replacing the toilets in my house. The plumber doing the work schedules it on two days, because "you can't use the toilet for 24 hours after it's installed" and so he doesn't want to leave me toilet-less.

Why? Why can't I use a toilet for 24 hours after it's installed? I mean, I'm gonna go ahead and follow the rules here -- but I'd like to know why.
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Reply #24589 on: May 26, 2013, 08:10:53 AM

IANAP but: Chances are the weight of a human being on the toilet can break some of the fresher seals - particularly around the base since all your weight is put on it.
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Reply #24590 on: May 26, 2013, 08:33:12 AM

It's to let the chaulk set up.
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Reply #24591 on: May 26, 2013, 09:05:25 AM

Trippy means Caulk but auto-correct has foiled him.

The wax ring that's the main seal is served by more weight, not less, but the caulk around the base will still be tacky.  Use of caulk around the base is subject to your own whims and not a requirement of the install itself. You're just calking so you don't get a nasty dirt ring around the base that's tough to clean (especially on tile floors) It doesn't actually seal anything.

I like the school of thought that you only do 3 sides, leaving the back uncaulked so if there's a leak at the ring it has a place to spill out and show in the bathroom.

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Reply #24592 on: May 26, 2013, 09:08:00 AM

From recent experience:  My sister's expensive toilet seat, supposed to hold 500 lbs or something, broke right through on the side, not near the hinge, when her husband sat on it and he's not even 200 lbs.  Evidently, you should make sure the the bottom of the seat has four bumpers and not two.  We researched this!  The ones with two bumpers, which are usually near the front of the seat, don't distribute weight evenly.  Most people sit further back on the seat (especially men) and tend to favour one side or the other when... you know.  Anyway, the four bumper ones will be much sturdier.  Sister got one the other day and it was a lot more expensive but the only difference seems to be the extra bumpers.  That's messed up.

When they had their bath redone last year, they also couldn't use it right after it was finished.

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Reply #24593 on: May 26, 2013, 09:10:04 AM

The plumber told you 24 hours because he was too lazy to shim up the toilet on your likely uneven floor and is depending on the copious amounts of Latex Dap or Silicone caulk to harden and create a stable base so it doesn't wiggle on its bolts when you sit down on it. In which case it is going to wiggle anyways after about six months or maybe a bit less when the caulking has some worn compression around the base.

Or the other scenario is that you have a nice tile floor and he grouted in your toilet and wants to make sure the grout has time to set. Grout makes a nice stable base for leveling toilets on uneven tile floors but it seals poorly.

I only repeat the uneven floor mantra because out of the hundreds of toilets I have installed in the last 18 years, maybe one single floor has been perfectly level and even to install a toilet on without needing some sort of shimming to prevent wiggle. Way back in the old days when toilets got installed onto cast iron closet flanges plumbers could largely rely on the bolts to steady a toilet. However, a large problem formed when most closet flanges were being made out of plastics, or cheap thin metal flanges on plastic drain pipes. This means that the weight of adults can easily flex the flange at the areas where the bolts secure to it. You even have to be careful not to over tighten the bolts because you will bow the flange. So basically the installation techniques for toilets changed. Most good plumbers keep some sort of rubber flat stock for making custom seals that they can cut up and convert into shims for toilets. This gives them shims that are easy to trim and then caulk around for a smooth finish.

If the plumber had been confident with his work he would have told you it was usable right away, because the wax seals that seal the toilet to the flange require zero set time and are good to go right away. I am pretty sure he used silicone caulk though because the cheapest brands require 24 hours to set. There are good brands that have just a few hour set time though. If I had installed the toilet I would have been confident enough to let you use it right away though because I know that toilet would not budge.

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Reply #24594 on: May 26, 2013, 09:18:50 AM

I like the school of thought that you only do 3 sides, leaving the back uncaulked so if there's a leak at the ring it has a place to spill out and show in the bathroom.

That is a myth and a toilet should be caulked completely around the base. Contrary to that wives tale, the wax seals do not prevent sewer gas from escaping at the flange. Any plumber trained in a real school, by real professionals can explain that a complete sealing of the base with proper caulking will prevent sewer gas or "stinky smell" that escapes from the wax ring area. A wax seal only holds liquid back at about 1.5 psi, and the caulking prevents air flow, so in reality any type of  liquid sewage leak with almost any quantity of back pressure at all will break through the caulking and let you know that you have a back up problem.

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Reply #24595 on: May 26, 2013, 10:17:13 AM

If the plumber had been confident with his work he would have told you it was usable right away, because the wax seals that seal the toilet to the flange require zero set time and are good to go right away. I am pretty sure he used silicone caulk though because the cheapest brands require 24 hours to set. There are good brands that have just a few hour set time though. If I had installed the toilet I would have been confident enough to let you use it right away though because I know that toilet would not budge.
Plumber actually hasn't seen my floor yet. (It is tile, both bathrooms). He called to set up a time later this week, and the first thing he asked (since I'm doing two toilets) was how many toilets I had total since he didn't want to leave me without a useable one.
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Reply #24596 on: May 26, 2013, 10:55:53 AM

Plumber actually hasn't seen my floor yet. (It is tile, both bathrooms). He called to set up a time later this week, and the first thing he asked (since I'm doing two toilets) was how many toilets I had total since he didn't want to leave me without a useable one.

Ah, I thought the work had already been done. In all honesty I still would not tell a customer that they cannot use the toilet. Because I would be confident of the toilet not moving, I would just warn them about letting anything contact the caulking until it dries to avoid marks or depressions in the caulk. I am very judgmental of other plumbers because I have seen and heard horrible things from them. Most plumbers were literally trained from another plumber who was trained from another plumber and so on without anyone in the learning chain actually understanding the science behind what they do. A lot of plumbers do not take plumbing seriously and do not really grasp that even simple plumbing tasks can have consequences for the health and safety of their customers. When ever I hear a plumber tell a customer something that doesn't make sense to me based on my training and experience, I wonder about their level of education in the trade.

If you are curious I come from a lineage of plumbers and I attended a trade school sponsored by the PHCC. I worked as a residential and commercial service plumber since I was 16, and then ran my own service company from 22 to 27 until the work started taking too much of a physical toll on my body and I realized that if i stayed in the industry it was going to have a lasting impact on my physical well being, so I switched into home automation to pursue my technology hobby as a fresh career. I still do occasional plumbing work as a subcontractor for local plumbing companies that I have good rapport with when they are understaffed for larger projects that come along occasionally.

Edit: Installed my first toilet working with my dad when I was 12 and I could run various drain clean machinery by 13.
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Reply #24597 on: May 26, 2013, 11:52:52 AM

I like the school of thought that you only do 3 sides, leaving the back uncaulked so if there's a leak at the ring it has a place to spill out and show in the bathroom.

That is a myth and a toilet should be caulked completely around the base. Contrary to that wives tale, the wax seals do not prevent sewer gas from escaping at the flange. Any plumber trained in a real school, by real professionals can explain that a complete sealing of the base with proper caulking will prevent sewer gas or "stinky smell" that escapes from the wax ring area. A wax seal only holds liquid back at about 1.5 psi, and the caulking prevents air flow, so in reality any type of  liquid sewage leak with almost any quantity of back pressure at all will break through the caulking and let you know that you have a back up problem.

That goes against everything I've ever been told. Interesting.

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Reply #24598 on: May 26, 2013, 03:05:54 PM

Ah, I thought the work had already been done. In all honesty I still would not tell a customer that they cannot use the toilet. Because I would be confident of the toilet not moving, I would just warn them about letting anything contact the caulking until it dries to avoid marks or depressions in the caulk. I am very judgmental of other plumbers because I have seen and heard horrible things from them. Most plumbers were literally trained from another plumber who was trained from another plumber and so on without anyone in the learning chain actually understanding the science behind what they do. A lot of plumbers do not take plumbing seriously and do not really grasp that even simple plumbing tasks can have consequences for the health and safety of their customers. When ever I hear a plumber tell a customer something that doesn't make sense to me based on my training and experience, I wonder about their level of education in the trade.

If you are curious I come from a lineage of plumbers and I attended a trade school sponsored by the PHCC. I worked as a residential and commercial service plumber since I was 16, and then ran my own service company from 22 to 27 until the work started taking too much of a physical toll on my body and I realized that if i stayed in the industry it was going to have a lasting impact on my physical well being, so I switched into home automation to pursue my technology hobby as a fresh career. I still do occasional plumbing work as a subcontractor for local plumbing companies that I have good rapport with when they are understaffed for larger projects that come along occasionally.

Edit: Installed my first toilet working with my dad when I was 12 and I could run various drain clean machinery by 13.

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Reply #24599 on: May 26, 2013, 06:33:49 PM

When he needs teeth pulled! C'mon everybody, back to the barter system!
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Reply #24600 on: May 26, 2013, 07:57:58 PM

When he needs teeth pulled! C'mon everybody, back to the barter system!
Well, I'm fucked then. Everyone here can fix their own damn PCs. And are generally smart enough not to fuck them up. (Current favorite hate target: Goddamn toolbars. AV programs need a "kill all toolbars" automatically even if the owner tries to install it option, with maybe a whitelist so I can keep google).
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Reply #24601 on: May 27, 2013, 05:48:50 AM

Man that's for sure.  More and more of the freeware programs I use come with artfully concealed tricks designed to make me install toolbars that I neither want nor need.  Every couple of months I check my mom's browser and find she only has half a screen of viewing area because the toolbars have talen over.
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Reply #24602 on: May 27, 2013, 08:55:58 AM

When he needs teeth pulled! C'mon everybody, back to the barter system!
Well, I'm fucked then. Everyone here can fix their own damn PCs. And are generally smart enough not to fuck them up. (Current favorite hate target: Goddamn toolbars. AV programs need a "kill all toolbars" automatically even if the owner tries to install it option, with maybe a whitelist so I can keep google).

Don't worry, Morat.  I can't fix anything and I fuck up my PC all the time.  So I can't help you with anything at all ever and when this laptop, which I hate, dies, I'll just close the lid and be done with it.  I hate tool bars too.  I hope this makes you feel a little bit better.

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Reply #24603 on: May 27, 2013, 09:06:09 AM

The plumber told you 24 hours because he was too lazy to shim up the toilet on your likely uneven floor and is depending on the copious amounts of Latex Dap or Silicone caulk to harden and create a stable base so it doesn't wiggle on its bolts when you sit down on it. In which case it is going to wiggle anyways after about six months or maybe a bit less when the caulking has some worn compression around the base.

Or the other scenario is that you have a nice tile floor and he grouted in your toilet and wants to make sure the grout has time to set. Grout makes a nice stable base for leveling toilets on uneven tile floors but it seals poorly.

So grout caulk then!
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Reply #24604 on: May 27, 2013, 01:18:56 PM

Went to HEB. They had all 3 varieties of Whataburger condiments. Turned that frown upside down.
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