Dragonlance the movie, staring Lucy Lawless

[WayAbvPar]

Never was a FR fan- I guess I am too old. Greyhawk all the way!

I will totally see this DR movie, btw. I am old, but I am still a nerd.

[Johny Cee]

I've never read a official D&D-based book that I enjoyed, they were all poorly-written with shabby characters. I was reading Glen Cook and Joel Rosenberg (who based his stuff loosely on D&D, since the series started with the gaming group being transported to the game world). Fuck Drizzt, a dwarf with the mind of a wheelchair-bound cripple? That's cool, and there was some decent character development, at least in the first book.

Once you read a few Cook novels,  it really kills any enjoyment you could have from light and fluffy fantasy like the TSR/Wizards stuff.  Doubly so if you've read Wolfe or Zelazny.

The original Drizz't trilogy (Icewind Dale) is decent,  if only because it doesn't focus on Drizz't that much.  The first is really a Wulfgar novel,  second a Bruenor, third works in everyone.  After that,  it was mostly Salvatore reusing bits and pieces from the first three books to make money hats.

Gemmell does a much better job of mass-producing fun sword & sorcery type books.

As everyone else has said, the original Dragonlance novels aren't bad, but are perfect teen reading.  Too much angst and melodrama.  Lot of the characters are one note.  When you revisit the books later on in life,  they come off as kind of hollow and a little grating.  Too simplified and heavy-handed in making it's points.

I also remember enjoying the Finder Wyvernspur books in my teens....  if just because he was the most morally ambiguous character TSR churned out.

[Raging Turtle]

Screw you haters.  I read the first three Dragonlance at 13 or 15 or so, when you're supposed to, and I thought it was great.  It's written for teens and you're all whining about angst!  Get over your cynical butts already. 

[Rasix]

Screw you haters.  I read the first three Dragonlance at 13 or 15 or so, when you're supposed to, and I thought it was great.  It's written for teens and you're all whining about angst!  Get over your cynical butts already. 

Umm.. did you read the entire thread?

[Raging Turtle]

Screw you haters.  I read the first three Dragonlance at 13 or 15 or so, when you're supposed to, and I thought it was great.  It's written for teens and you're all whining about angst!  Get over your cynical butts already. 

Umm.. did you read the entire thread?

Who does that?

[Azazel]

I never read any of them.  The thing that put me off fantasy books were the front covers.

I agree.

Oddly enough, the exact same covers, sans dragons, work wonders as porn movie covers.

[Abagadro]

I really liked the Legends Trilogy back in the day when I read them. 

Tracy Hickman lives around these parts (or at least did) and I've talked to him several times over the decades. Real nice fellow.

[stray]

Screw you haters.  I read the first three Dragonlance at 13 or 15 or so, when you're supposed to, and I thought it was great.  It's written for teens and you're all whining about angst!  Get over your cynical butts already. 

When I was 13, I was big into True Crime books. No time for elves baby.

Before that though, I had shitloads of "Choose Your Own Adventure" books. Shitloads.

[Azazel]

Oh comeon. Look at her. She's riding a fucking pegasus. How can you not remember an indian riding a pegasus? :P

You mean that blonde haired, blue eyed, norse-looking chick who happens to have a bunch of feathers decorating her outfit and staff?

She looks less Native American than I do.

[Azazel]

And doesn't Drizzst strike you as more of a fifth-tier Elric, anyway?

[Murgos]

Oh comeon. Look at her. She's riding a fucking pegasus. How can you not remember an indian riding a pegasus? :P

Good fortune?

I remember the names but the whole native american thing is gone.

[sarius]

Dragonlance is one of those things you enjoy when you're young and then re-read when you're old, only to realise that it's almost complete and total crap.

Further, the fact that it was based on a real D&D session grates on the nerves.  You know that if you were the DM, you'd have just summoned a Tarrasque on the whole fucking lot of them.

Word.

[Morat20]

I just started The Cleric's Quintet, which seems good so far (I'm not far into it at all).

I enjoyed it, for reasons I won't elaborate on since they're spoiler-ish. However, while I felt the basic idea was interesting, I'd have preferred someone ELSE to have taken that idea, lovingly nutured it, and spewed it into book form.

Having said that, Cadderly is a bit more three-dimensional than most Salvatore characters and the Bouldershoulder brothers are fun enough, for idiots.

As for Dragonlance -- It'd have been better if, while reading it, I couldn't tell when each character leveled. "Oh uh, looks like Raistalin's second level now. He's got charm person!"

I admit to modifying the character of Fizban for at least two campaigns, because I think nothing fucks over your players more than saddling them with a wizard in the advanced stages of senility.

Except retarded genies. I brought in a particularly quick-witted friend for that, though. All wishes were misunderstood and catastrophic, all with an air of genuine helpfullness.

[WayAbvPar]

As for Dragonlance -- It'd have been better if, while reading it, I couldn't tell when each character leveled. "Oh uh, looks like Raistalin's second level now. He's got charm person!"

As a total D&D nerd when I first read them (and now, I guess....heh), I thought that was actually pretty cool!

[Morat20]

As for Dragonlance -- It'd have been better if, while reading it, I couldn't tell when each character leveled. "Oh uh, looks like Raistalin's second level now. He's got charm person!"

As a total D&D nerd when I first read them (and now, I guess....heh), I thought that was actually pretty cool!

I admit to being a total D&D nerd, and I'm fine with understated references -- it's just at times the Dragonlance novels clubbed you to death with the references, resurrected you, and forced you into a six-week indoctrination session on the reference and how it was personally responsible for saving your immortal soul.

[Ironwood]

zomg, Fizban is totally teaching him Fireball which is a third level spell.  Raistlin must have hit level 7.  Lolz.


And whatnot.

[Strazos]

lolz, That's seriously how that series was written?

[El Gallo]

lolz, That's seriously how that series was written?

You could almost hear the dice rolling in the background.

[Ironwood]

Lucy Lawless is hot tho.

[tazelbain]

I'd like to see her do more evil roles, she's great as Number Three on Galatica.

[Llava]

lolz, That's seriously how that series was written?

You could almost hear the dice rolling in the background.

Because it's vaguely appropriate.

[Margalis]

The orignal series is fucking horrendous if you go back and re-read it. The writing is just atrocious. It could have been written by middle school students.

[Yegolev]

Less dice, more Lawless.

Apparently... she is an advocate of breast feeding.  Hooray Google!

[Samwise]

The orignal series is fucking horrendous if you go back and re-read it. The writing is just atrocious. It could have been written by middle school students.

I agree, the characters in the Chronicles series were pretty one-dimensional for the most part.  Most of them (the ones that survived) got a lot more interesting in the Legends series.

[Jain Zar]

I really liked the Dragonlance Weis & Hickman books as a teen, and I have picked up their installments only over the years.
(Basically Chronicles, Legends, Next Generation, Summer Flame, and War of Souls.  11 books out of a metric shitload.)

Yes they are light and fluffy blah blah.

I will be looking forward to the movie, and have a friend who will probably start dancing around in glee at the mere thought of it.
Shit, I made his day telling him they made a nice comics adaptation of the first book.  (Which is just out in trades form.)

I credit Salvatore's Crystal Shard book for getting me into reading novels so his first 6 books have a soft spot for me as well.
(Icewind Dale Trilogy, and the Dark Elf prequels.  Legacy and later are pretty dumb though.)

[Ironwood]

Salvatore needs to be hung up by his own intestines.

[sarius]

Salvatore needs to be hung up by his own intestines.

My, we're just full of glee lately!

[Ironwood]

What can I say ?  I'm a people person.

[WayAbvPar]

Salvatore needs to be hung up by his own intestines.

I may get a sex change just so I can offer to bear your children.

[Ironwood]

I am having enough trouble with one pregnant lady about the house.

Tho I appreciate the offer.

[Lantyssa]

That is a sneaky way to get him in the sack until you tire of him.  Hopefully you don't actually want any little Ironwoods running about or you'll be a little disappointed.

[Llava]

That is a sneaky way to get him in the sack until you tire of him.  Hopefully you don't actually want any little Ironwoods running about or you'll be a little disappointed.

Somebody clearly never saw Junior.

[Lantyssa]

I don't think I saw it now that you bring it up.  I guess I am woefully behind on modern medical advances.

[WayAbvPar]

I don't think I saw it now that you bring it up.  I guess I am woefully behind on modern medical advances.

I never saw it either, but I am just woefully behind on terrible fucking movies.

[Llava]

I don't think I saw it now that you bring it up.  I guess I am woefully behind on modern medical advances.

I never saw it either, but I am just woefully behind on terrible fucking movies.

I dare you to prove that Junior was anything but an emotionally moving and scientifically accurate documentary.

Dare you.