NCSoft and the Online Gaming World at its knees

[Lum]

Truly, Righ's googlefu is an amazing thing.

[Diatress]

Hey Diatress, post your /played time, I have a bet with myself that this thread can't get any better.

Dude if they showed /playtime in game, i'd fucking shoot myself after wasting that much of my life.  But if had to guess, 1500-1700 hours total in 2.5 years?  Hell if I know.

[Diatress]

Hey Diatress, post your /played time, I have a bet with myself that this thread can't get any better.

Dude if they showed /playtime in game, i'd fucking shoot myself after wasting that much of my life.  But if had to guess, 1500-1700 hours total in 2.5 years?  Hell if I know.

Did i win?  I get 1/2 whatever you're bettin son.

[Xilren's Twin]

 I came here thinking you all were into mmo gaming, and didn't want the same to happen to your community or to the next game you move to.  I came with a white flag =)  and water hose.

I usually don't bother with these new manifesto posts from people who don't bother to read the site prior to making an appearance, but just in case you are actually capable of learning something from this cluster fuck and are still reading.

Most people on this site are not concerned with how RMT affects our gaming, primarily b/c we understand the ramifications of it AND can take steps to minimize or eliminate it's affect on our gaming if it bothers us.  However, doing that requires a level of understanding of the genre and it's history that you obviously have yet to learn as you seem fixate on just one game: L2.

L2 is not the sum total of MMORPG's; it's not even a particualr big factor in the North American market.  If you continue to view all of gaming through your L2 tinted glasses, you will continue to miss the forest for the trees.  RMT is a deep subject and is not going away, nor should it.  If you want to be taken seriously, or at least not be immediately mocked and have your opinions ignored, then I suggest you improve your knowledge of the subject, tone down the "impending doom" rhetoric, and write something useful, or at least new.

This subject is probably older than you are.

Xilren

[Arthur_Parker]

Did i win?  I get 1/2 whatever you're bettin son.

I think you would only waste the money on 20 packs of socks.

[Cheddar]

Truly, Righ's googlefu is an amazing thing.

This is a red name.  Notice he is a developer.  Also notice he is formerly known as "Lum the Mad." 


Righ is truly an amazing creature.  Poor feet; he will always know who she goes out with!

[Lum]

Truly, Righ's googlefu is an amazing thing.

This is a red name.  Notice he is a developer.  Also notice he is formerly known as "Lum the Mad."

Shh.

[Strazos]

Wow, SWG Thread v2.0 plzkthx?

Seriously Diatress, No One Cares. At All. Why?

1) The article reads like a cross between a 5th grader's book report and Inuyasha fan fiction - in other words, I'd sooner wipe my ass with it than read it. Is English your primary language?

2) It's Lineage II. LINEAGE II !! Who gives a FUCK about L2? Hardly anyone here does, and it seems as if NCsoft does not either. I am not surprised.

3) You're complaining about problems that have been prevalent since BETA. As if that isn't bad enough, you've paid money each month to deal with those problems, and somehow think you're better off. Newsflash - A lot of people here were in the Lineage 2 beta, and even back then the game had problems with Asian farmers, and bots, and Adena farming pyramid schemes. Not only does this make your opinion certifiable useless, but it makes your entire stance laughable. Why would you, Just Now, try and bring this shit to light when the Entire Fucking Internet could have warned you before the game was even released?

This thread was good for a few laughs. Please, continue to come back for more pain. We polish our armor with your tears. Yeah I ripped the line from Paelos.

[Arthur_Parker]

The one thing I remember about my time in Lineage 2 is that somebody posted a list of common English phrases translated into Chinese for use on the Lineage 2 servers in the US.  The scary thing is, I along with plenty of others, found the list useful.

[Cheddar]

I remember finally hitting 13 or so, and only having a spot or two to level.  I was a human, and yet some Dark Elves (which had a seperate starting area) were camping the mobs I needed to kill for my levelling purpose.  After a week of the same two litterally running the spawn I hit cancel and never looked back.  For some reason this post makes me want to play, though...

[Diatress]

 I came here thinking you all were into mmo gaming, and didn't want the same to happen to your community or to the next game you move to.  I came with a white flag =)  and water hose.

I usually don't bother with these new manifesto posts from people who don't bother to read the site prior to making an appearance, but just in case you are actually capable of learning something from this cluster fuck and are still reading.

Most people on this site are not concerned with how RMT affects our gaming, primarily b/c we understand the ramifications of it AND can take steps to minimize or eliminate it's affect on our gaming if it bothers us.  However, doing that requires a level of understanding of the genre and it's history that you obviously have yet to learn as you seem fixate on just one game: L2.

L2 is not the sum total of MMORPG's; it's not even a particualr big factor in the North American market.  If you continue to view all of gaming through your L2 tinted glasses, you will continue to miss the forest for the trees.  RMT is a deep subject and is not going away, nor should it.  If you want to be taken seriously, or at least not be immediately mocked and have your opinions ignored, then I suggest you improve your knowledge of the subject, tone down the "impending doom" rhetoric, and write something useful, or at least new.

This subject is probably older than you are.

Xilren

Freedom of speech.  I came, I spoke, I said what I wanted to.  Looked like an idiot/moron/ass/whatever I loved it.  Me needing more knowledge on the matter?  That's your opinion and I respect that.

Your right L2 isn't the sum of all mmorpgs, but the companies that ruin it are.  IGE, guy4fame, Gmhelper, etc..  IMO the issue of these companies doing what they do, well... We'll see what happens.  I hope you guys are right and it won't be a big issue in the next few MMO's to come.  But I'm betting on them looking at the profit margins in the virtual currency market, and see'ing there's a lot more money to be made if they make all games the way lineage 2 is currently running.  Shit look at Sony, they're developing a virtual money store you can buy in-game currency straight from their company's website ..  It's just the beginning for this issue.  Sorry to sound all "Armageddon".  But i'm out.  Later and keep the fire burning!

[Cheddar]

Ummm, it is a big issue.  We have acknowledged that, and followed how the industry is dealing with it.  You, by not voting with your wallet, are perpetuating the problem.  You do not have amendment rights here, nor even in America.  Claiming you do is ignorance on your part as to how the constitution works.  But I digress.

[Big Gulp]

Freedom of speech. 

That doesn't exist on a private message board.  Thanks for playing.

[Yoru]

Freedom of speech.

Whoa whoa?! F13 is the government now?!

Awesome, as our first act, we're hereby nationalizing all MMO companies. All ya red names, you work for us now. I expect alpha CDs in my mailbox by Monday. Chop chop.

[Strazos]

Can we just drag SWG out into the alley and shoot it also?

[Broughden]

 I just wanted to open some people eye's on the issue and see what I can do on my part to help with it.

Thats the whole fucking point we are trying to get across to you! You haven't opened anyone's eyes here. This issue isnt new and has been discussed here in depth. Also you dont bring anything new to the table because you demonstrate a remarkable lack of understanding in the subject.

It's to see if other's feel the same way I do about how bad things can get when these companies terrorize a gaming community.

RMT isnt terrorizing gaming communities. Gaming companies are....by virtue of the shitastic spooge they continue to release 99% of the time. For example the game you play...Lineage 2. Once the games themselves are improved perhaps people will be more willing to look at other issues.

[WayAbvPar]

Freedom of speech.

Whoa whoa?! F13 is the government now?!

Awesome, as our first act, we're hereby nationalizing all MMO companies. All ya red names, you work for us now. I expect alpha CDs in my mailbox by Monday. Chop chop.

I am calling Homeland Security if some fucker mails me a copy of L2.

[Cheddar]

So wait a sec, is it WUA > Broughden > Diatress?  

As the wheel turns.  I think the new slogan should be "F13, now with 15% more drama!"

[Arthur_Parker]

Diatress, this link is for you.  HaemishM at his best

[Broughden]

So wait a sec, is it WUA > Broughden > Diatress?  

As the wheel turns.  I think the new slogan should be "F13, now with 15% more drama!"

No its     WUA> Broughden > Cheddar> Diatress


I am posting in green.

[Margalis]

1.  We're hardcore in gaming, you have to be in order to stick with this fucked up game this long since closed beta.

Your "hardcore" sounds a lot like "gullible" or "stupid."

2.  I feel that it better prepared myself for future MMO's to come.  Because if you can make it in Lineage 2 and last, then you can make it in any MMO.

The worst that can happen to you in any MMORPG is that you don't level as fast as someone else.

3.  We don't pussy out and jump into WoW or some other bullshit fairy happy game like so many others have.  Hence why we're fighting to keep what we've got.  It's like loosing an investment you've made with 1000's upon 1000's of play time, gone.

You chose to make the investment knowing how bad the game was. Poor investing skills. Your "pussy out"  sounds a lot like "move on to a better game."

If you're so hardcore quit whining. You seem proud of sticking with L2 despite how sucky it is, so why do you want it fixed? Then what will you brag about?

L2 community = people who get exactly what they are asking for.

I have as much sympathy for you as for someone who builds they house at the water's edge of a beach and then complains when it washes away two weeks later, while bragging that they didn't pussy out and build in a place that wasn't retarded.

[Simond]

Can we just drag SWG out into the alley and shoot it also?

Have you got some silver bullets?

[Signe]

Truly, Righ's googlefu is an amazing thing.

This is probably a terrible time to say this, in light of Big Gulp's post... but Righ works in Network Security.   

[Righ]

I'm pretty sure BG knew that. :)

[Cheddar]

No its     WUA> Broughden > Cheddar> Diatress


I am posting in green.

Haha.  Actually you have gotten better, but this is how you sounded for your first week here.

[Rhonstet]

Freedom of speech.  I came, I spoke, I said what I wanted to.  Looked like an idiot/moron/ass/whatever I loved it.  Me needing more knowledge on the matter?  That's your opinion and I respect that.

Your right L2 isn't the sum of all mmorpgs, but the companies that ruin it are.  IGE, guy4fame, Gmhelper, etc.

But its NOT those companies.  And that's part of the giant, crushing point that many almost always miss.  And, that's what's driving us batshit insane.

The REAL, SCREAMING, KICK-IN-THE-NUTS problem is that the need exists AT ALL.  That is the fault ENTIRELY of the people running the game.  They've created something that isn't a game, but that convinces people with weak minds and a need for both a persistance of accomplishments and a need for validation that they have to get the new shineys. 

The OP is making this problem worse, not better.  Instead of voting with your own feet and telling people 'This game sucks, we should stop playing it.', you're telling them 'the game sucks, and its their fault' while you point at someone to demonize.  That's a lie, and you're either too dumb or too addicted to realize it. 

Even if you somehow got rid of IGE and every facilitator overnight, your gameplay would STILL SUCK.   The goldfarmers aren't the problem, they are just the ones who are pointing it out while making a few bucks in the process.

Lineage 2 - IGE = Lineage 2.

I hope you guys are right and it won't be a big issue in the next few MMO's to come.

Of course it will be a problem in the future, because the chuckleheads like you are still spending money on the game in the present.  Please, for the love of god, stop.

[WindupAtheist]

So wait a sec, is it WUA > Broughden > Diatress?   

Cheddar, I thought we were friends.   

Then again, at least I beat Broughden!  In your face! 

Anyway, Schild should be happy.  The notoriety of F13 must indeed be on the increase for it to have become the manifesto dumping-ground of choice for feces-smeared MMO lunatics everywhere.  I'm only half-joking here.

[schild]

I'm not happy that people exist that think this is ok. But it entertains you all, so I'm happy about that I suppose.

[Broughden]

Anyway, Schild should be happy.  The notoriety of F13 must indeed be on the increase for it to have become the manifesto dumping-ground of choice for feces-smeared MMO lunatics everywhere.  I'm only half-joking here.

WUA I think his manifesto calls for your  WUA Subliminal Vision(tm)

[Margalis]

Lineage 2 - IGE = Lnea 2.

Fixed it for you.

[Cheddar]

I'm not happy that people exist that think this is ok. But it entertains you all, so I'm happy about that I suppose.

It was complete and utter dreck, but thanks to the members of our community it transformed into humorous dreck.  My fear is that we will soon be awash with dreck and be unable to stop the flow.

We need a plunger.  Or a dam.  I dunno, my analogies suck.

[tazelbain]

The spice must flow, what?

[schild]

I'm not happy that people exist that think this is ok. But it entertains you all, so I'm happy about that I suppose.

It was complete and utter dreck, but thanks to the members of our community it transformed into humorous dreck.  My fear is that we will soon be awash with dreck and be unable to stop the flow.

We need a plunger.  Or a dam.  I dunno, my analogies suck.

That's not fear. It's paranoia. We've been over that.

[Cheddar]

I'm not happy that people exist that think this is ok. But it entertains you all, so I'm happy about that I suppose.

It was complete and utter dreck, but thanks to the members of our community it transformed into humorous dreck.  My fear is that we will soon be awash with dreck and be unable to stop the flow.

We need a plunger.  Or a dam.  I dunno, my analogies suck.

That's not fear. It's paranoia. We've been over that.

You guys are posting about me on the sekret forums, aren't you? 

[Righ]

You are number six.