NCSoft and the Online Gaming World at its knees

[Llava]

Sure do have a lot of people viewing this topic.

I say it's time for another 100 page thread!

[Diatress]

Hi, I'm going to rip you a new asshole because ranting = fun!

The most influential ideas that moved technology into what it is today started from:  Computers -- Microsoft -- Internet -- Google -- Mo's (Massive Multiplayer Online Games).  Mo's are the next big thing

And I stopped right there.

Moms are not the future.

The Semantic Web is the future. AJAX is the future. Uris are the future, and you don't even know what that acronym stands for, do you? Read a book! Or go read Wiped, which is also the future. The future _that exists today_.

Moms are a tiny, fractional drop in a tiny, fractional bucket called "online games". They're not even the major kind of online games! There are at least as many middle-aged women playing Bridge online as there are sad, pathetic, masochistic gamers playing Lineage II. AND YOU CAN'T PLONK DOWN $5 AND DRAW THE ACE OF SPADES IN ONLINE BRIDGE.

In conclusion, given the actual destiny of the Internet your world is tiny and remote and your complaints trivial and insignificant. You want to write about comment-hoarding product-spamming link-impression-abusing biologists, then you might have something.

--GF

Ty <3

If you honestly think I'm going to put more detail into the line of events starting from the "Transistor"..  You're out of your fucking mind.  It's short, basic, and an over-all look at popular influential ideas that have come.  It's just a few.  Do i give a shit about Web Application Coding?  No sir, i'm talking about Online MMO's and what part they will play in the gaming industry.

Sorry but MMO's are the future in gaming.  You can quote me on that 5 years from now.  I'll be more than happy to have some tea and crumpits and discuss how things have developed!

[Merusk]

Were any of us to bother with that conversation 5 years from now, you'd still be 9 years behind.

See, that's what they're trying to tell you.

[Diatress]

Were any of us to bother with that conversation 5 years from now, you'd still be 9 years behind.

See, that's what they're trying to tell you.

He's pushing my quote on MMO's are the next big thing for the net.  He's bitching about Web Development techniques.  Apples and Oranges.  He can say that topic will be huge, which im sure it will be .Net applications have created big business for a lot of startup companies.  All I'm saying is Online Gaming is the future for gaming in general and will be a huge part of what's popular on the net (myspace, google, etc. etc.). Two completely different topics there.

[Signe]

[Yegolev]

Your momma is the future in gaming.

[Diatress]

Your momma is the future in gaming.

 :mrgreen:

[Valmorian]

Sorry but MMO's are the future in gaming.  You can quote me on that 5 years from now.  I'll be more than happy to have some tea and crumpits and discuss how things have developed!

Supposing that MMO's are the future in gaming, what makes you think MMO's like Lineage 2 will be representative of those MMO's?  It's looking more like MMO's like WoW, that you seem to like to insult, that are more likely to be the "future in gaming".  

Personally, I'm not really convinced that this will be the case.  You're talking about games that a lot of people have absolutely NO interest in.  Glazius is right, there's more interest in online hearts than Lineage 2, because even my MOM will play hearts online.

[HaemishM]

But meh.. I spoke, people responded, people read it and more will hopefully.  

Actually, I'm pretty sure most were like me and couldn't make it through the entire article. That much concentrated stupidity is hard to take without copious amounts of alcohol.

You want to know what you can do about it? Quit playing Lineage 2. Quit paying for shitty, grindy games that make you think you are HARDCORE!1! by causing everything interesting the game to be locked behind the gates of repetitive bunny-smashing for months on end. RMT is so popular because most MMOG's could be finished in hours if it weren't for all the leveling, camping and grinding required to do them.

Or you could just try reading before posting your spew.

[Cheddar]

OP- want to buy a almost maxxed f13 account for $$$?  PM me!

Thing is you are into a game where the grind is so intolerable (not only for levels, but money) that people are forced to bot/ buy cash and/or levelling services from third parties just to "enjoy" the game.  I played L2 for a couple months after it was released, and bought money JUST so I could enjoy the few hours a week I had with the game.  The publisher has done very little to address the issue (ban ISPs from Asia or track botting better would be a good start, off the top of my head).  As said elsewhere, vote with your dollar.  Otherwise last laugh is on you anyhow (you are doing more damage by staying subscribed then IGE could ever do).

In conlusion: For 20 USD I will kick you in the nuts.  Repeatedly.


Ninja edit.  And no one is really talking about your revelations either.  Natch.

[Fargull]

You want to know what you can do about it? Quit playing Lineage 2. Quit paying for shitty, grindy games that make you think you are HARDCORE!1! by causing everything interesting the game to be locked behind the gates of repetitive bunny-smashing for months on end. RMT is so popular because most MMOG's could be finished in hours if it weren't for all the leveling, camping and grinding required to do them.

No, actually I think the best for everyone is if it kept playing Lineage 2.

[Diatress]

OP- want to buy a almost maxxed f13 account for $$$?  PM me!

Thing is you are into a game where the grind is so intolerable (not only for levels, but money) that people are forced to bot/ buy cash and/or levelling services from third parties just to "enjoy" the game.  I played L2 for a couple months after it was released, and bought money JUST so I could enjoy the few hours a week I had with the game.  The publisher has done very little to address the issue (ban ISPs from Asia or track botting better would be a good start, off the top of my head).  As said elsewhere, vote with your dollar.  Otherwise last laugh is on you anyhow (you are doing more damage by staying subscribed then IGE could ever do).

In conlusion: For 20 USD I will kick you in the nuts.  Repeatedly.


Ninja edit.  And no one is really talking about your revelations either.  Natch.

/Agree  

I'm not saying Lineage 2 is the greatest MMO out there.  I'll say imo, that it's the hardest one to grind/gear/build-up in.  But, what I'm doing is not bringing Lineage 2 more players.  I'm trying to point out that every single MMO to come will have these issues till someone can stand up taller than I can and help bring the issue to the public.  Fuck lineage 2 sure, but i love the game, i hate the company, i hate the support, i hate the corruption with farmers and Vcoms.  But I love MMO's in general for what they stand for.  To see them all go through what Lineage 2 and other's have, just isn't right.  So hence why I've come here and posted.  So I made my peace.

[tazelbain]

I didn't read the vomit.  Is he mad because people could buy stuff better than his "hardcore" toon has?

[Llava]

I'd like 'em to stay subbed to Lineage 2 so that NCSoft gets more money to develop fun freebie online games like Exteel and Dungeon Runners.

Enjoy your hardcore, I'll be using the $15/month you pay to fund my entertainment.

[Valmorian]

 I'm trying to point out that every single MMO to come will have these issues till someone can stand up taller than I can and help bring the issue to the public.

These issues are ones that the company cannot solve.  If selling gold in game is profitable for people, it will get done.  If it isn't, then it won't.

Ironically, it's BECAUSE your game is so "HARDCORE!!!1!1!" that it is showing this problem so much.  As soon as paying real money will allow players to bypass parts of an online game they don't enjoy, an industry will spring up to supply this need.  Economics trumps your little petition every time.

There are two ways your MMO can become a profitable market for gold farmers:

1. It's insanely popular so there's at least some market for gold purchases at all times (see WoW)
2. It's got a huge grind/time investment for improvement, so you have people willing to pay real cash to speed up this process.


Good luck with your mission to overturn reality.

[Diatress]

 I'm trying to point out that every single MMO to come will have these issues till someone can stand up taller than I can and help bring the issue to the public.

These issues are ones that the company cannot solve.  If selling gold in game is profitable for people, it will get done.  If it isn't, then it won't.

Ironically, it's BECAUSE your game is so "HARDCORE!!!1!1!" that it is showing this problem so much.  As soon as paying real money will allow players to bypass parts of an online game they don't enjoy, an industry will spring up to supply this need.  Economics trumps your little petition every time.

There are two ways your MMO can become a profitable market for gold farmers:

1. It's insanely popular so there's at least some market for gold purchases at all times (see WoW)
2. It's got a huge grind/time investment for improvement, so you have people willing to pay real cash to speed up this process.


Good luck with your mission to overturn reality.

If I lose.. I lose.  Point, I shouted, and I'll keep trying else where.  Maybe you guys aren't gamers as much as I thought.  Sorry for the tension.  Later =)

[Valmorian]

If I lose.. I lose.  Point, I shouted, and I'll keep trying else where.  Maybe you guys aren't gamers as much as I thought.  Sorry for the tension.  Later =)

Shouting is only useful if there's something that can be done.  What do you propose as a solution, hm?

[Yoru]

I'm trying to point out that every single MMO to come will have these issues till someone can stand up taller than I can and help bring the issue to the public.

That's funny... The Asian 'model of the future', since you like Eastern-style games so much, seems to lean more heavily towards RMT. See, for example, Exteel, where the company takes the place of the farmer. Does this make it better? Worse? Why? Are you against farming or RMT in general? On what grounds?

If you're going to try to have a serious discussion, or at least try to pose as a pundit worthy of time and respect, at least bring up some serious points - not "farming bad, /sign plz, SAVE THE INTERNETS!!1!"

Fuck lineage 2 sure, but i love the game,

You just made baby Phoenix Wright cry.

[Diatress]

If I lose.. I lose.  Point, I shouted, and I'll keep trying else where.  Maybe you guys aren't gamers as much as I thought.  Sorry for the tension.  Later =)

Shouting is only useful if there's something that can be done.  What do you propose as a solution, hm?

I don't have one, because 1 answer or solution can't solve the problem.  It's not my goal to solve the issue.  It's to see if other's feel the same way I do about how bad things can get when these companies terrorize a gaming community.  Someone i'm sure has great ideas and has editorial power.  I just wanted to open some people eye's on the issue and see what I can do on my part to help with it.  It already has.  The more pressure put on Ncsoft as an example of a company that let things go to far, the more people can prevent it from happening in their gaming communities.  I came here thinking you all were into mmo gaming, and didn't want the same to happen to your community or to the next game you move to.  I came with a white flag =)  and water hose.

[schild]

Uhhh, I thought I, along with a few others (who did not sputter obsceneties) pointed out- awww fuck it.  Schild, is this dreck a preview of things to come as f13 gets bigger and better?  I mean, I DO live life a quarter mile at a time, but this is too much.

Please do not make me turn in my license plates for ones that say "STRATICS" or "Q23." please.

You're being paranoid again! Also, Stratics? Whu? How does that even get clumped in there?

[Valmorian]

I don't have one, because 1 answer or solution can't solve the problem.  It's not my goal to solve the issue.  It's to see if other's feel the same way I do about how bad things can get when these companies terrorize a gaming community.
Someone i'm sure has great ideas and has editorial power.  I just wanted to open some people eye's on the issue and see what I can do on my part to help with it.  It already has.  The more pressure put on Ncsoft as an example of a company that let things go to far, the more people can prevent it from happening in their gaming communities.  I came here thinking you all were into mmo gaming, and didn't want the same to happen to you community or to the next game you more to.  I came with a white flag =)  and some spit balls.

Here's the problem: It isn't an issue for the vast majority of gamers out there.  They don't care, since it doesn't affect them in a negative way.  Maybe you "Hardcore"-types on games that are dumb enough to not have instanced raid/boss/dungeons are being adversely affected, but those MMO's that have figured out ways to allow anybody who can scrape together enough people to go on a raid/instance to do so without being blocked by farmers don't care at all.  

And why should they?

Newsflash, I AM into MMO gaming, and gold farmers have affected me absolutely zip. zero. not at all.  

Why?  Because I choose to play MMO's that aren't retarded like Lineage 2.

[Valmorian]

The more pressure put on Ncsoft as an example of a company that let things go to far, the more people can prevent it from happening in their gaming communities.

One other thing.  What does NCSoft have to do with this?  How are THEY responsible for Gold Farmers, aside from making a game where it is possible for them to flourish?  (And by your own admission, you LIKE that game)

[Yegolev]

It's to see if other's feel the same way I do about how bad things can get when these companies terrorize a gaming community.

I do feel the way you do, other than the being-insane part, which is why I don't play L2.  When I do play a MOG, it is usually one in which the general playerbase is able to grief and PK the farmers, and which has its own form of official realcash-for-gamecash system on top of that.  It even has the bonus of being fun.

[Wolf]

Guys, guys you're doing it all wrong. Same thing happened with whats-his-name-writes-for-mpstrategy. You should just ignore them. Imagine the topic having 500 views and 0 replies. That'd seriously spook 'em :P

Also - who the fuck came up with VCOM? Sounds like a rooter brand or something.

And I live you with that memorable quote:

It's people like you, who ... take it in the ass...

[Yoru]

I came here thinking you all were into mmo gaming, and didn't want the same to happen to your community or to the next game you move to.  I came with a white flag =)  and water hose.

There's only three ways that farming can affect someone else in an MMO:

1. Noninstanced zones/raids. Most modern, player-friendly games have these. With a proper instancing implementation, the impact of farming is obviated.

2. Epeen. Most people around here don't care about being the first to get the full Ithilien's Ubah Armor Set of Pwnzorage; that's a tiny, TINY section of the community. Unless you're concerned about bizarre, hard-core goals like that, RMT doesn't affect your PVE grinding.

3. PVP. Yes, it can hurt here, primarily in large-scale wars between groups. It's the MMO equivalent of global thermonuclear war on your wallet. The only way to win is not to pay.

[Big Gulp]

Game is ruined/not fun/inundated with gold farmers?  Quit, and stop giving away your money.

That's the only solution that works.  If you can't get your head around that, then we have nothing more to say to each other.  The fact that you've been willing for years now to take it up the ass from from Korean tedium merchants tells me that you don't get that lesson, so it's pointless to continue talking to you.  Good luck with your petition, douchebag.

[Cheddar]

Uhhh, I thought I, along with a few others (who did not sputter obsceneties) pointed out- awww fuck it.  Schild, is this dreck a preview of things to come as f13 gets bigger and better?  I mean, I DO live life a quarter mile at a time, but this is too much.

Please do not make me turn in my license plates for ones that say "STRATICS" or "Q23." please.

You're being paranoid again! Also, Stratics? Whu? How does that even get clumped in there?

I have absofuckinglutely no idea.  I honestly could not think of another community I really part take in currently, besides Something Awful.  And I am not going there!


edit.  Or I coulda said "CORP NEWS," but thats too many letters.  And it does not have the panache that F13 NET does.
edit 2.  This thread ruined my day, then made it better.  VOTED 5!

[schild]

I mean, comeon! You got a sig out of this thread. And you're complaining! Bad Cheddar!

[Signe]

Poor Cheddar.  It makes me sad when you go all maudlin.  I call it your monthly.  It's sort of like my monthly but you don't have an excuse.  Still, you know how much we you. 

[Cheddar]

How the hell did this thread turn around and become about me???  Its about opening our eyes to VMOC!  Or whatever the hell the new acronym is.

[Righ]

It's not my goal to solve the issue.

So, in other words, you're just a mangina troll from Orlando who claims to be an information security engineer, but who cannot spell information, security or engineer?

[Big Gulp]

So, in other words, you're just a mangina troll from Orlando who claims to be an information security engineer, but who cannot spell information, security or engineer?

Actually, the lack of logic, grammar, and coherent thought point fairly concretely to being an information security engineer.

ETA:  Oh, and to being from Florida.  The dangling wang of the US is the shame of our great nation.

[Diatress]

It's not my goal to solve the issue.

So, in other words, you're just a mangina troll from Orlando who claims to be an information security engineer, but who cannot spell information, security or engineer?

Wow you found my profile <3  You get a cookie **

Orlando isn't so bad, lots of hot chicks, nice cars, shitty basketball team.

Don't be jealous of what I do for a living <3  What do you do?  Sit here and wait for me to reply with something else all day long?  Strong.

[Arthur_Parker]

Hey Diatress, post your /played time, I have a bet with myself that this thread can't get any better.

[Cheddar]

Righs google fu is amazing.  I should join his e-Dojo!