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Diatress
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on: June 27, 2006, 09:30:49 AM

Hello, I'm here to talk about VCOMs and the role they play and will continue to do so in the future of MMO gaming.  The Virtual Currency Online Market (VCOM) which at the moment is a multi-million dollar industry.  Companies such as www.IGE.com and www.guy4game.com profit from farming the in-game currency and then turning around and selling that in-game currency for a real-life dollar amount.  We're talking people spending hundred's and thousands of dollars for virtual currency in a Massive Multiplayer Online Game.  MMOG's are the next huge thing for the net, and it's happening under everyone's noses.  The most influential ideas that moved technology into what it is today started from:  Computers -- Microsoft -- Internet -- Google -- MMO's (Massive Multiplayer Online Games).  MMO's are the next big thing and there is something so evil coming from it that it could terrorize any body's life if they get sucked into the Virtual Currency Online Market.  One of the largest and most influential MMO company in the world is NCSOFT, which is most at fault in the VCOM (Virtual Currency Online Market).  This company thrives on VCOM companies such as IGE.com and guy4game.com to buy their Virtual Currency, from what the industry calls farmers (people paid very small wages in 2nd-3rd world countries (#1 is China) to collect in game currency for hours upon hours of gameplay).  NCSOFT's EULA, which is an agreement all customers must agree to before creating an online account, is not followed by these VCOM companies.  They use any means necessary to make in-game currency and then sell it to people that are willing to buy.  The problem with this it there is absolutely no stopping these VCOM companies because NCSOFT and the like, will loose 40-50% of their customer player base if they were to ban all the account buying or selling the in-game currency.  This is a problem that grew worse and worse over time.  People have spent their entire income at times to buy in-game currency, ruining their real lives, to make their gaming life more enjoyable.  It's an addiction, it's a disease, and NCSOFT is the largest source of allowing this plague to MMO's continue.

If nothing is done to bring NCSOFT to the media.  Then the world of buying virtual goods with real-life money will become a norm and a reality for many.  These aren't just games anymore when this happens.  It's a business with no support and endless financial opportunities for VCOM companies.  It will ruin Online Games in the end if nothing is said and done. 

Help make NCSOFT an example for what they have done, and what they continue to do rigorously to it's customers and to the online gaming era which is just now starting to steam roll into a huge multi-billion dollar industry.

Below is the site that our community goes to for discussing the issue.  You can find a lot of material here to write any story on the matter.  Again, welcome to the next huge era of technology.  MMO's and the VCOM's that are ruining them.

http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33758
 
Recently, a parent company of Blizzard Entertainment that produced the largest most successful MMO of all-time "World of Wacraft",  announced "All Blizzard franchises will become MMOGs." ( http://www.cesspit.net/drupal/node/1386)
 
I wonder why.  Is it they see the financial fortune that can be made from VCOM's?  Or is it that they love online games, like we do.
 
***VCOM's will destroy every MMO any company tries to create.  It already has.  It will continue to happen till they are noticed and brought down.***

Thank you
« Last Edit: June 28, 2006, 10:16:35 AM by Diatress »
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Reply #1 on: June 27, 2006, 09:32:27 AM

TO THE STREETS!

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Reply #2 on: June 27, 2006, 09:36:17 AM

I'd recommend check through that thing for errors.  Cause, uh, I found a bunch of 'em.

Also:  There's a Lineage 2 North American Community?

(But El Gallo's post is more clever than mine.)

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Reply #3 on: June 27, 2006, 09:58:35 AM

Sounds like an argument for instancing.

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Reply #4 on: June 27, 2006, 10:19:43 AM

First off, you're playing fucking Lineage 2. The very fact that you can stomach the boring ass gameplay long enough to get to a raid boss labels you as someone with larger problems than gold farmers. OCD is a terrible thing.

Secondly, you're playing Lineage 2. You can't polish a turd that brown.

Thirdly, MMOG's will never be "the next big thing" until they stop relying on repetitive, grinding gameplay like Lineage 2. Normal, rational, sane fucking people do not play games like those adherents of L2.

Finally, proofread. If you want someone like CNN to take you seriously, or really, anyone with a fucking brain, get someone who can write, spellcheck and proofread grammar before you scrawl your unibomber manifesto on fecal-matter covered walls.

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Reply #5 on: June 27, 2006, 10:22:22 AM

Lots of text.

O RLY?

That people have spent their entire income on buying virtual currency is hardly the problem.
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Reply #6 on: June 27, 2006, 10:23:20 AM

Vote with your pocketbooks.
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Reply #7 on: June 27, 2006, 10:36:15 AM

Selling Lineage 2 gold, pm me for details.
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Reply #8 on: June 27, 2006, 10:36:38 AM

Vote with your pocketbooks.

Indeed.  What gets more interest, a poorly-written manifesto (that might just be an ad for IGE), or NCSoft firing its own service staff?

We now return to your regularly scheduled foolishness, already in progress.
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Reply #9 on: June 27, 2006, 10:41:52 AM

Selling Lineage 2 gold, pm me for details.

BEWARE!  THIS IS A SCAM!  Lineage 2 doesn't have gold, Arthur!  Sheesh.

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Reply #10 on: June 27, 2006, 10:46:54 AM

Quote
This letter has been sent to the following companies.
 
CNN.com
MSNBC.com
gamespot.com
PCGamer
MMORPG.com
Gamepro
PennyArcade
IGN
Electronic Gaming Monthly
Computer Gaming World
PC Magazine
Dutch magazines
German magazines
5 Italian magazines
GameInformer magazine
Yahoo/economic groups
The Economist
Fileplanet
Gamespy
Hardocp.com
L2Stratics
www.gamer.nl
Gamereactor.dk
wikipedia.com
vgcats
8bit theatre
www.ctrlaltdel-online.com
Warcry
Power Unlimited
www.pvponline.com
www.penny-arcade.com
Lineage 2
gamespot.com
PCmaster
Computer Games Magazine
Official Forums
blizzard.com


Then what the fuck is it doing here? I don't see us on the list.

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Reply #11 on: June 27, 2006, 10:47:35 AM

Attention:  The following may cause increased flamming.  Please only use flame throwers only.

1.  We're hardcore in gaming, you have to be in order to stick with this fucked up game this long since closed beta.

2.  I feel that it better prepared myself for future MMO's to come.  Because if you can make it in Lineage 2 and last, then you can make it in any MMO.

3.  We don't pussy out and jump into WoW or some other bullshit fairy happy game like so many others have.  Hence why we're fighting to keep what we've got.  It's like loosing an investment you've made with 1000's upon 1000's of play time, gone.

4.  The grammar sucked indeed, it wasn't to be directly copied for other sites to use.  It's to be re-written with some editorial skills and presented to the public accordingly.

5.  We're gamers just like you, (comment that made peoples hemorrhoids flare up.. deleted).

(Comment deleted because the right to speak doesn't exist on this forum)
Who gives a fuck who hit 60 and raided this and that in WoW or the equiv.  Come to Lineage 2 and you'll see where the fucked up crazy son's of emo bitches are.  Hardcore baby.

*Smores out and ready for the fire
« Last Edit: June 27, 2006, 12:50:54 PM by Diatress »
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Reply #12 on: June 27, 2006, 10:48:29 AM

OMG

EDIT PS:  This has to be a troll pulling our legs.  Doesn't it?

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Reply #13 on: June 27, 2006, 10:49:11 AM

1.  We're hardcore in gaming, you have to be in order to stick with this fucked up game this long since closed beta.

2.  I feel that it better prepaired myself for future MMO's to come.  Because if you can make it in Lineage 2 and last, then you can make it in any MMO.

3.  We don't pussy out and jump into WoW or some other bullshit fairy happy game like so many others have.  Hence why we're fighting to keep what we've got.  It's like loosing an investment you've made with 1000's upon 1000's of play time, gone.

4.  The grammar sucked indeed, it wasn't to be directly copied for other sites to use.  It's to be re-written with some editorial skills and presented to the public accordingly.

5.  We're gamers just like you, but we're better trained imo for rough times when they come.

Lineage 2 is bootcamp for the folks that wants to be well known in the MMO world in the future.  Who gives a fuck who hit 60 and raided this and that in WoW or the equiv.  Come to Lineage 2 and you'll see where the fucked up crazy son's of emo bitches are.  Hardcore baby.

Doesn't sound to me like you play games because you enjoy them, do you?
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Reply #14 on: June 27, 2006, 10:50:53 AM

1.  We're hardcore in gaming, you have to be in order to stick with this fucked up game this long since closed beta.

2.  I feel that it better prepaired myself for future MMO's to come.  Because if you can make it in Lineage 2 and last, then you can make it in any MMO.

3.  We don't pussy out and jump into WoW or some other bullshit fairy happy game like so many others have.  Hence why we're fighting to keep what we've got.  It's like loosing an investment you've made with 1000's upon 1000's of play time, gone.

4.  The grammar sucked indeed, it wasn't to be directly copied for other sites to use.  It's to be re-written with some editorial skills and presented to the public accordingly.

5.  We're gamers just like you, but we're better trained imo for rough times when they come.

Lineage 2 is bootcamp for the folks that wants to be well known in the MMO world in the future.  Who gives a fuck who hit 60 and raided this and that in WoW or the equiv.  Come to Lineage 2 and you'll see where the fucked up crazy son's of emo bitches are.  Hardcore baby.

Doesn't sound to me like you play games because you enjoy them, do you?

If i didn't enjoy it, why would i waste my time showing the article and topic on here? 
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Reply #15 on: June 27, 2006, 10:51:53 AM

OMG

EDIT PS:  This has to be a troll pulling our legs.  Doesn't it?

Heart Spaceballs.  Wtb part 2.
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Reply #16 on: June 27, 2006, 10:54:50 AM

I chose my sig all those months ago, apparently at random.  Little did anyone know it would eventually come to apply specifically to you, today.

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Reply #17 on: June 27, 2006, 11:00:16 AM


5.  We're gamers just like you, but we're better trained imo for rough times when they come.


Huh?  Are talking about post apocalypse gaming or something?  Is this something I should be training for?

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Lineage 2 is bootcamp for the folks that wants to be well known in the MMO world in the future.  Who gives a fuck who hit 60 and raided this and that in WoW or the equiv.  Come to Lineage 2 and you'll see where the fucked up crazy son's of emo bitches are.  Hardcore baby.


You do realize that, more than likely, no one outside your little group cares who you are and what you have accomplished in some game, right?  You are not going to be 12 forever.

Those five points are some pretty funny stuff.

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Reply #18 on: June 27, 2006, 11:01:02 AM

Lineage 2 is bootcamp for the folks that wants to be well known in the MMO world in the future.

Do you know heavy hitters?
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Reply #19 on: June 27, 2006, 11:03:23 AM

Lineage 2 is bootcamp for the folks that wants to be well known in the MMO world in the future.  Who gives a fuck who hit 60 and raided this and that in WoW or the equiv.  Come to Lineage 2 and you'll see where the fucked up crazy son's of emo bitches are.  Hardcore baby.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*gasp*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow, I have never seen some one try and stroke their epeen so hard in my life. Who the hell cares if your "well knoiwn in the MMO world in the future". Specially from L2. If you really crave MMO attention this badly, create an uber guild, and do some thing like IO did, hold a server hostage. Or get a bunch of world firsts in raiding like DnT. Honestly, no one gives a flying fuck about who does what in L2, and the majority of people dont care who did what where and whenever.

Fighting goldfarmers is admerable, but your answers make you out to be a tool of the highest caliber.
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Reply #20 on: June 27, 2006, 11:04:21 AM

1.  We're hardcore in gaming, you have to be in order to stick with this fucked up game this long since closed beta.

2.  I feel that it better prepaired myself for future MMO's to come.  Because if you can make it in Lineage 2 and last, then you can make it in any MMO.

3.  We don't pussy out and jump into WoW or some other bullshit fairy happy game like so many others have.  Hence why we're fighting to keep what we've got.  It's like loosing an investment you've made with 1000's upon 1000's of play time, gone.

4.  The grammar sucked indeed, it wasn't to be directly copied for other sites to use.  It's to be re-written with some editorial skills and presented to the public accordingly.

5.  We're gamers just like you, but we're better trained imo for rough times when they come.

Lineage 2 is bootcamp for the folks that wants to be well known in the MMO world in the future.  Who gives a fuck who hit 60 and raided this and that in WoW or the equiv.  Come to Lineage 2 and you'll see where the fucked up crazy son's of emo bitches are.  Hardcore baby.

Doesn't sound to me like you play games because you enjoy them, do you?

If i didn't enjoy it, why would i waste my time showing the article and topic on here? 

To show how "hardcore" you are playing a broken game. Reading your 5 points it sounds like you're married to Lineage 2, and even if the marriage isn't working out all that great, you're gonna stick with it even if there's a lot of better stuff out there.
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Reply #21 on: June 27, 2006, 11:06:25 AM

I chose my sig all those months ago, apparently at random.  Little did anyone know it would eventually come to apply specifically to you, today.

Odd how well things work out eh =)

Anyway, im just here to post the issue.  If no one cares, then no one cares.  We feel that these companies will do everything they can to get into MMO's and basically ruin/flood the market with the inflation they bring and many other issues.

Everyone here loves mmo's right.  Cool.  All i want is for people to be educated on the matter that, "When your MMO comes out, and you've been dying to play it, VCOMs will ruin it in the end".  "Unless people are educated in the matter and everyone helps to prevent VCOMs from operating within your gaming world before they control your market, the way you play, the time's you play, and the people you play with."

If you haven't seen what we've seen, then I envy you.
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Reply #22 on: June 27, 2006, 11:06:37 AM

5.  We're gamers just like you, but we're better trained imo for rough times when they come.

No, you're not. Better trained gamers wouldn't spend their time posting drivel such as this to a community that is only going to ridicule it. And if you are going to link to second-hand news stories, you ought to find out the source of those stories before embarrassing yourself by posting at the source. Now piss off back to your care-bear grind-fest and don't bother us again.

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Reply #23 on: June 27, 2006, 11:07:15 AM

TO THE STREETS!

Classic.  I was even drinking water as I read this.

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Reply #24 on: June 27, 2006, 11:08:40 AM

1.  We're hardcore in gaming, you have to be in order to stick with this fucked up game this long since closed beta.

2.  I feel that it better prepaired myself for future MMO's to come.  Because if you can make it in Lineage 2 and last, then you can make it in any MMO.

3.  We don't pussy out and jump into WoW or some other bullshit fairy happy game like so many others have.  Hence why we're fighting to keep what we've got.  It's like loosing an investment you've made with 1000's upon 1000's of play time, gone.

4.  The grammar sucked indeed, it wasn't to be directly copied for other sites to use.  It's to be re-written with some editorial skills and presented to the public accordingly.

5.  We're gamers just like you, but we're better trained imo for rough times when they come.

Lineage 2 is bootcamp for the folks that wants to be well known in the MMO world in the future.  Who gives a fuck who hit 60 and raided this and that in WoW or the equiv.  Come to Lineage 2 and you'll see where the fucked up crazy son's of emo bitches are.  Hardcore baby.

Doesn't sound to me like you play games because you enjoy them, do you?

If i didn't enjoy it, why would i waste my time showing the article and topic on here? 

To show how "hardcore" you are playing a broken game. Reading your 5 points it sounds like you're married to Lineage 2, and even if the marriage isn't working out all that great, you're gonna stick with it even if there's a lot of better stuff out there.

Yes i sounded like a complete Ass, I admit.  But i'll leave it up there.  Cause I "care".
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Reply #25 on: June 27, 2006, 11:09:49 AM

5.  We're gamers just like you, but we're better trained imo for rough times when they come.

No, you're not. Better trained gamers wouldn't spend their time posting drivel such as this to a community that is only going to ridicule it. And if you are going to link to second-hand news stories, you ought to find out the source of those stories before embarrassing yourself by posting at the source. Now piss off back to your care-bear grind-fest and don't bother us again.

You can ridicule it all you want, all the more Love to you =)
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Reply #26 on: June 27, 2006, 11:11:21 AM

Lineage 2 is bootcamp for the folks that wants to be well known in the MMO world in the future.

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Reply #27 on: June 27, 2006, 11:12:58 AM

Monkey gibbering

It's PREPARED, not prepaired, LOSING, not loosing, ridicule, not redicule.

Stop being retarded.
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Reply #28 on: June 27, 2006, 11:14:38 AM

I thought botting was an issue with DAOC, now it has moved to NC SOFT.  Sounds like a MAD plan.

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Reply #29 on: June 27, 2006, 11:18:16 AM

Monkey gibbering

It's PREPARED, not prepaired, LOSING, not loosing, ridicule, not redicule.

Stop being retarded.

Lineage II is such a grind-fest, he hasn't had time to attend school, figure out how to copy and paste or press "Spell Check" on this forum. However, he does have an advanced degree in Chinese smileys. ^_^

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Reply #30 on: June 27, 2006, 11:20:29 AM

Morph beat me to my gut-instinct reply.. but let me just add:

The combination of Newspapers citing F13.net on the NcSoft story (when F13 itself said the info was from a dev list) and this nutjob citing Hrose, this community has given me a lot of giggles this week. And it's only Tuesday.

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Reply #31 on: June 27, 2006, 11:21:33 AM

Monkey gibbering

It's PREPARED, not prepaired, LOSING, not loosing, ridicule, not redicule.

Stop being retarded.

Grammar checked SIR!  Thank you for your editorial expertise.  Keep checking my words as I'm sure you have the time to =)
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Reply #32 on: June 27, 2006, 11:27:33 AM

wouldn't it make more sense to ask the admins of this site first before posting?  that way whatever you wanted to say as an essay would get a better reception

also, wouldn't it make more sense to spend time arguing on the MSNBC or AOL or IGN boards than here?  just more eyeballs

also, I'm pretty sure no one in f13 plays Lineage 2.  Because they're in f13.  Because it's Lineage 2.

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Reply #33 on: June 27, 2006, 11:30:48 AM

Lineage 2 is bootcamp for the folks that wants to be well known in the MMO world in the future.  Who gives a fuck who hit 60 and raided this and that in WoW or the equiv.  Come to Lineage 2 and you'll see where the fucked up crazy son's of emo bitches are.  Hardcore baby.

That pretty much made my morning.

Anyway.. let's boil down the Giant Brick o' Words (spellcheck FTW, by the way): "Gold farmers, left unchecked, can ruin games not specifically built to support RMT.".

Sure, fine, I don't disagree with that assertion. (Some people might.) You even provide an example. I think I've read, somewhere, a year or so ago, about how bad 'adena farming' was in L2.

The "RMT is bad" issue is Beating a Dead Horse

Further, I think a Man with a Chart listed NA/EU L2 numbers somewhere around.. uh.. 90k. So we're not exactly talking about the Watts Riots here.
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Reply #34 on: June 27, 2006, 11:43:49 AM

You can keep your fucked up crazy son's of emo bitches to yourself, thanks.  I've known enough to realize I don't particularly like being around them.

Also... who are you?

Hahahaha!  I'm really good at this!
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