Throne of Realms of Chaotic Krel Mourning

[Lionhunter]

Its crappy,atleast in Mourning.I was a tester for Mourning.Had hopes for it.

[LC]

Thank you for reminding me why I hate MySpace.

Did you visit Cock $teamers' myspace? It's almost just like Adam's before the edit.

[HaemishM]

Thank you for reminding me why I hate MySpace.

Did you visit Cock $teamers' myspace? It's almost just like Adam's before the edit.

That is a fucking offense to the World Wide Web. Tim-Berners Lee should bash that fucker's head in with a baseball bat than violate the corpse.

[WindupAtheist]

This game is slowly going from being the new Horizons to being the new Dawn.  Considering the fact that there IS an actual game in there somewhere (however shitty) that real people have really played, that's damn impressive.  Fetapults plz, ok?

[stray]

It went past Horizons territory a long, long time ago. Horizons at least had a standout crafting system.

[Spoonbender]

It also seems odd that Adonys and Egomonster both worked for Loud Ant in the past.  I do remember them chatting about their great game that Sony or someone published

That wasn't with Loud Ant (as far as I know). It was the old dev team who made those games, or at least, that's what they said at the time. Which just makes it even odder that Loud Ant now claims to have made them... 

[Soln]

Ok Im confused and need a list

1. Darkfall
2. Dark and Light
3. Wish
4. Mourning
5. Dawn

what else?

[Signe]

It also seems odd that Adonys and Egomonster both worked for Loud Ant in the past.  I do remember them chatting about their great game that Sony or someone published

That wasn't with Loud Ant (as far as I know). It was the old dev team who made those games, or at least, that's what they said at the time. Which just makes it even odder that Loud Ant now claims to have made them... 

I don't know, Spoon.  It's all very confusing!  Maybe whoever it was who made that little game and is now making Mourning of Chaos bought all the companies involved.  Or maybe they're just making it up and hoping more people will send them more free money.   The more I read about it, the more confused I become!

[stray]

Ok Im confused and need a list

1. Darkfall
2. Dark and Light
3. Wish
4. Mourning
5. Dawn

what else?

Darkfall is pure vaporware. It doesn't exist in any way, shape, or form -- And in my opinion, that's better than being an aborted piece of shit.

[Pajari]

Nice work folks, especially tale. You put my research to shame.

[LC]

Ok Im confused and need a list

1. Darkfall
2. Dark and Light
3. Wish
4. Mourning
5. Dawn

what else?

Rune Conquest
Dominus Online



It looks like Cock $teamers is already making stupid promises he will never keep.

[Falconeer]

Darkfall is pure vaporware. It doesn't exist in any way, shape, or form -- And in my opinion, that's better than being an aborted piece of shit.

Still, Warcry believes in it to the point they released an interview about "the most robust PvP system I have seen in years." just 2 weeks ago.

From the interview intro:
"Having been part of the pre-patch 16 era of Ultima Online I am reminded of the incredible feelings that PvP once gave me when I think about Darkfall.", by David Greene.

EDIT:
"Warcry- What about collision?

Darkfall Team- You collide against everything in our world..."

[Soln]

FWIW, I don't care if a game misses it's announced deadline(s).  What bugs me is the groupthink that you must first start hyping a game YEARS before it's even ready for Beta.  You can see this with every unlaunched title, for instance, on mmorpg.com.  There's just a real lack of credibility that creeps in when multiple providers always try to one-up the other with more outlandish features, but don't even have screenshots or a closed Beta for people to verify.  And I don't think a lot of Korean MMO's work this way.   

[Wolf]

Ok Im confused and need a list

1. Darkfall
2. Dark and Light
3. Wish
4. Mourning
5. Dawn

what else?

Darkfall is pure vaporware. It doesn't exist in any way, shape, or form -- And in my opinion, that's better than being an aborted piece of shit.

People have seen the actual game.
Or rather a dude has seen the actual game. He wrote an article about it that was linked on Sinister's site (afraidyet.net) a while back.

Anyway, the game will be crap :P

[Falconeer]

The real problem with MMO's is that you need a shitload of money only to have the chance (that will probably go wasted anyway, but that's another story) to release a good game.
Of course, without said shitload, you can only hope in some sort of movie-screenplay-worth talent based miracle, apparently.
Otherwise you are so doomed (yes, in advance).

[stray]

Money or not, that's not what screwed up Mourning.

Quoted from an article I ran into recently:

Ado declared (somewhere towards the end of development) that he did not write a game design documentation because he was afraid others would steal his precious ideas. I guess that included the rest of the team as well, because no one knew the game design of the game they were developing! We learned many of the promised features from the forums and interviews.

And it only gets worse...

[Tale]

Durchfall? Ach, entschuldigung, ich habe es falsch gehoert.

Darkfall

[Simond]

Ok Im confused and need a list

1. Darkfall
2. Dark and Light
3. Wish
4. Mourning
5. Dawn

what else?

Vanguard. 

[LC]

It looks like he edited his profile already. The display name was changed to just "Ben", and he removed the company section.

[Morfiend]

It looks like he edited his profile already. The display name was changed to just "Ben", and he removed the company section.

When I look at that all I can think of is these guys.

[JoeTF]

The real problem with MMO's is that you need a shitload of money only to have the chance (that will probably go wasted anyway, but that's another story) to release a good game.
Of course, without said shitload, you can only hope in some sort of movie-screenplay-worth talent based miracle, apparently.
Otherwise you are so doomed (yes, in advance).

I was going to agree, but what abour korean Mcdonald mmorpgs? Take SCO I was loviing so much recently - it has like 10 skills in total, 8 simple maps, 30 ship and weapon models, 20 mobs plus half of the code is blanatant reuse from Knight Online. Seriously - it looks like they're selliing DIYmmorpg kits for 19.99 somewhere on korean interweb.

[Righ]

I'd guess that if you took the money that gullible investors put into any of the 'also ran' games listed above, and spent it on resources in the far east, you'd be able to get the number of developer hours that companies like Blizzard and SOE put into their games. Maybe not in Korea, but certainly nearby.

[JoeTF]

Programing sweatshops?

What would prevent skilled Indian/Malaysian coder landing a well paid job in Korean/US/Japanese company?
I don't think you can get quality programming hours cheap anywhere.

[Righ]

Provided you have project managers who speak the language, you can, and people do. Also, not sweatshops - lower cost of living. As for what stops well educated programmers from landing those lucrative positions in other countries - immigration law and/or a desire to live well in their own country. That said, we're handing out visas reasonably quickly to foreign IT workers. We have to - there's been a drop in college aged people, a growth in science and engineering jobs, and we keep filling up our law faculties with the blue blood and promoting liberal arts among the subjugated groups in our society, leaving a substantial shortfall.

But without going too deep into this, I'll stand behind my suggestion that you can make games cheaper in other counties if you have the will to.

[Soln]

Provided you have project managers who speak the language, you can, and people do. Also, not sweatshops - lower cost of living. As for what stops well educated programmers from landing those lucrative positions in other countries - immigration law and/or a desire to live well in their own country. That said, we're handing out visas reasonably quickly to foreign IT workers. We have to - there's been a drop in college aged people, a growth in science and engineering jobs, and we keep filling up our law faculties with the blue blood and promoting liberal arts among the subjugated groups in our society, leaving a substantial shortfall.

But without going too deep into this, I'll stand behind my suggestion that you can make games cheaper in other counties if you have the will to.

Aye, read this from American McGee's blog from yesterday

[LC]

Saw this linked on mmorpg.com:


Hello all!

I would like to take a few moments to bring everyone up to speed with what
has been happening lately with Thrones of Chaos and Loud Ant Software.

Over the past few months we have been contacted with numerous offers
ranging from publishing to the full aquisition of Thrones of Chaos. We are
currently in the very final stages of accepting an aquisition deal with a
world-renowned corporation. Once complete, Loud Ant will move into the role
of providing support and continued development services for the title after commercial launch in 2007.

Further details will be made available in a public press release, possibly
before the end of the year.

If you have any questions regarding this,
please post them in the thread already started for this subject in the general section, and we will do our best to answer them.

http://www.thronesofchaos.com/community/showthread.php?t=919

My money is on Purestroke Golf or Glitchless Software.

[Xilren's Twin]

Hello all!

I would like to take a few moments to bring everyone up to speed with what
has been happening lately with Thrones of Chaos and Loud Ant Software.

Necrophilia is never pretty...

[Slayerik]

So whats worse....Necro or not searching and posting something that was already a subject?

Seems like a lose-lose to me! :)

[SpaceDrake]

Isn't Mourning itself a massive act of MMOG necrophilia?

[HaemishM]

Isn't Mourning itself a massive act of MMOG necrophilia?

It's actually zombiephilia. With Mourning, the dead fuck you.

[Signe]

So whats worse....Necro or not searching and posting something that was already a subject?

Seems like a lose-lose to me! :)

To be fair, he didn't start a new thread and that WAS actually an update from yesterday.  It just doesn't seem like new news. 

[Cheddar]

In Soviet Russia MMOG grinds you!

[Tale]

We are currently in the very final stages of accepting an aquisition deal with a world-renowned corporation.

We think we can exchange it for a burger at McDonalds.

[Typhon]

In Soviet Russia MMOG grinds you!

lol

[Strazos]

In Soviet Russia MMOG grinds you!

Is she hot?