MI3

[dusematic]

You're crazy if you think Keanu is better than Tom Cruise.  I know it's popular to hate Cruise but get a grip on yourself.  Christ.

[stray]

Heh....Maybe you're right. Let me list some of their better films (but only the ones that depended on them..Not the ones that were OK in spite of them).


Cruise
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Collateral
Vanilla Sky
Magnolia
Jerry McGuire
Interview with a Vampire
Rain Man
Risky Business
Born on the 4th of July


Reeves
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Holy shit I'm at a loss....


The River's Edge maybe?

[dusematic]

Thanks, you've redeemed yourself.

[stray]

To be fair though, it's become apparent that Tom Cruise's best type of roles/performances, where he's real maniacal and pissed off (i.e. the mask scene with the doctors in Vanilla Sky, Magnolia in general, etc..), is just him being himself. There was a time when we thought he was just acting.

[Nebu]

Tom Cruise is a guy that pretends to be other people for a living.  The guy has no credibility beyond the fact that he's an entertainer.  No matter how stupid the shit he says is off-screen, he's a good actor.  Boycotting his movies seems silly if you put the crap he spews in context.

[stray]

I don't boycott his movies, just in case anyone thought that (I think that was Roac). I just don't go out of my way to see them. I do like some of them when I happen to catch them, but those happen to be the ones where he's a maniacal douchebag (which, in the end, isn't really him acting at all, I think. Maybe I like the real Tom Cruise! Go figure).

In the end though, my dislike for Tom Cruise has little to do with Tom Cruise. I wouldn't give a shit about Top Gun, Mission Impossible, Minority Report, or Days of Thunder (i.e. the kind of films Cruise is usually known for) if they had Marlon Brando in them. It's just not my thing. It never was.

[Samwise]

he's a good actor.

The only movies he's been in that might compel me to agree with you are the ones where he plays a douchebag.  Most notably Collateral, which is the only movie of his I've seen in which his performance was the high point of the movie.  And as Stray said, it's debatable whether him playing a douchebag counts as acting.   

[Nebu]

The only movies he's been in that might compel me to agree with you are the ones where he plays a douchebag.  Most notably Collateral, which is the only movie of his I've seen in which his performance was the high point of the movie.  And as Stray said, it's debatable whether him playing a douchebag counts as acting.   

Point well made.

[angry.bob]

You're crazy if you think Keanu is better than Tom Cruise.  I know it's popular to hate Cruise but get a grip on yourself.  Christ.

A better actor? They both suck about equally, though Reeves excels at roles when they're the right ones. Parenthood, River's Edge, Bill & Ted, etc. Though those characters are superficially similar, there are a ton of subtle differences that do actually require a some acting talent.

Cruise just sucks pole period. He's played the same fucking guy his entire career. The only difference in his characters is what they do for a living. Other than that they're completely and utterly interchangeable. If you ignore the name of his character Jerry McGuire is the same as Top Gun is the same as Days of Thunder is the same as Risky Business is the same as War of the Worlds.

But the big difference is in their actual selves. Tom Cruise is a completely phony tool. By all appearances and accounts, he's devoid of having an actual person in him.  Keanu Reeves on the other hand seems to realize he's a guy who got lucky as hell pretending to be other people on film and keeps his mouth shut. Other than using his celebrity to get gigs for the band he's in with his brother, I've never seen him have an agenda.

[dusematic]

I think he's a good fucking actor, and I think people are letting the fact that he's a crazy asshole who is a good and comfortable target get in the way of their best judgement.  Of course, some people will never like carrots.  So there's that to consider.

[dusematic]

You're crazy if you think Keanu is better than Tom Cruise.  I know it's popular to hate Cruise but get a grip on yourself.  Christ.

A better actor? They both suck about equally, though Reeves excels at roles when they're the right ones. Parenthood, River's Edge, Bill & Ted, etc. Though those characters are superficially similar, there are a ton of subtle differences that do actually require a some acting talent.

Cruise just sucks pole period. He's played the same fucking guy his entire career. The only difference in his characters is what they do for a living. Other than that they're completely and utterly interchangeable. If you ignore the name of his character Jerry McGuire is the same as Top Gun is the same as Days of Thunder is the same as Risky Business is the same as War of the Worlds.

But the big difference is in their actual selves. Tom Cruise is a completely phony tool. By all appearances and accounts, he's devoid of having an actual person in him.  Keanu Reeves on the other hand seems to realize he's a guy who got lucky as hell pretending to be other people on film and keeps his mouth shut. Other than using his celebrity to get gigs for the band he's in with his brother, I've never seen him have an agenda.

Hilarious.  You're trying tell me about the subtle variations of Reeve's acting in Parenthood and Bill and Ted?  You sound like a Matrix fanboy.  Because that's crazier than the time you posted your get rich quick scheme about penny stocks.  Cruise is a legitimate actor, he's not a character actor like PSH or Depp.  Not every actor is or has to be to be qualified as good.

[angry.bob]

Hilarious.  You're trying tell me about the subtle variations of Reeve's acting in Parenthood and Bill and Ted?  You sound like a Matrix fanboy.  Because that's crazier than the time you posted your get rich quick scheme about penny stocks.  Cruise is a legitimate actor, he's not a character actor like PSH or Depp.  Not every actor is or has to be to be qualified as good.

There are subtle differences in the two characters.

Cruise is a complete tool who's a shitty actor and a shitty human being.

Reeves is an okay guy by all accounts who's a less shitty actor and a decent human being.

You're a tool who's a shitty, ham-fisted message board troll. You thought a Mission Impossible movie was "non stop awesome". That says more about your judgement than anything else you've written here.

It's really pretty simple.

[dusematic]

You're the kind of guy who bases who he's gonna vote for President off whether or not you'd like to sit down and have a beer with him.  Subtle variations my ass.

[Signe]

Info I have gleaned from this thread:

Angry Bob is almost always angry.

Dusematic really does seem to love the cock!

I like you both more than either Tom Cruise or Keanu Reeves.  (I did love the underwear dance from Risky Business, however, and all of Keanu in Bill & Ted)

[angry.bob]

You're the kind of guy who bases who he's gonna vote for President off whether or not you'd like to sit down and have a beer with him.  Subtle variations my ass.

I enjoy that you think about me enough to fabricate an entire personality and thought process for me out of apparently thin air. Especially considering the person most likely to  vote for who they'd want to have a beer with would be the guy who likes Tom Cruise and Mission Impossible movies. Still, enjoy lusting after whatever virtual fantasy of me you have board n00bler, it doesn't bother me a bit. If it makes any easier for you while you grind one out to me, I enjoy latex gas masks and my pin is the size shape of a Baby's arm. Enjoy.

Den time yet?

[dusematic]

You should have just said, "I know you are but what am I?"

[Lantyssa]

See?  Nothing good comes from either of them.  You're arguing over Cruise and Reeves for gods' sake.

[Broughden]

You're arguing over Cruise and Reeves for gods' sake.

Isnt it hilarious?  :-D

[dusematic]

Nigga please.  Like arguing over video games is so much more profound.  Tom Cruise is a good actor, and I stand by that statement unashamedly. 

[Cheddar]

I hate white people.

[Morfiend]

You're crazy if you think Keanu is better than Tom Cruise.  I know it's popular to hate Cruise but get a grip on yourself.  Christ.

Could you imagine the original Matrix with Cruise? *shudder*

[Rasix]

You're crazy if you think Keanu is better than Tom Cruise.  I know it's popular to hate Cruise but get a grip on yourself.  Christ.

Could you imagine the original Matrix with Cruise? *shudder*

I can't imagine it with Will Smith either.  Neo does not need to get jiggy wit it.

[Broughden]

You're crazy if you think Keanu is better than Tom Cruise.  I know it's popular to hate Cruise but get a grip on yourself.  Christ.

Could you imagine the original Matrix with Cruise? *shudder*

I can't imagine it with Will Smith either.  Neo does not need to get jiggy wit it.

I think given Smith's performance in "I Robot" he would have made a viable choice for Neo.

[dusematic]

I don't.  But I think Depp would have been sweet.

[Broughden]

I don't.  But I think Depp would have been sweet.

I dont know what it is. Ive just never really liked Depp. I admit he is a competent actor....but he just bugs me.

Wait I have it! James Earl Jones as Neo! Just imagine him going "Whoa" in that deep voice of his! LMAO!  :-D

[Signe]

Except James Earl Jones is like 70-something.

[stray]

James Earl Jones would have made a great Morpheus in his younger days at least.

[Broughden]

James Earl Jones would have made a great Morpheus in his younger days at least.

Very true!

Except James Earl Jones is like 70-something.

Hey what can I say? Large older blackmen with deep voices!
Rowr! 

[Tebonas]

People tell us in Capitalism we should vote with our money. So when I say: "Fuck Tom Cruise, that douchebag should never get any money from anyone else regardless of how his work is. I don't want to be one of those responsible for putting food on his table. Maybe I am lucky and he starves." I don't at all care how good an actor he might be (and he isn't, but who cares).

There are enough other moves to waste time with. Its not like my live is empty and shallow just because I never got the quasi religious experience of seeing MIx. Get over yourself, dusematic. He is not the only carrot I can munch on out there!

[Bunk]

Heh....Maybe you're right. Let me list some of their better films (but only the ones that depended on them..Not the ones that were OK in spite of them).


Cruise
---------
Collateral
Vanilla Sky
Magnolia
Jerry McGuire
Interview with a Vampire
Rain Man
Risky Business
Born on the 4th of July


Reeves
-----------
Holy shit I'm at a loss....


The River's Edge maybe?

The funny thing here, is that I agree that all of those Cruise movies are "good", I've never watched any of them more than once. I've probably watched the Matrix about 6 times. Cruise was very good in Collateral and Magnolia, but neither movie is in my DVD collection.

MI2 was the poster boy for big bang action movie that I would never bother watching a second time. MI3 was considerably better. It was a spy movie, as it should have been. Not spectacular, but a good solid movie.

[dusematic]

my live is empty and shallow just because I never got the quasi religious experience of seeing MIx.

[HaemishM]

The Matrix films would have been a billion times better without the Wachko brothers. Reeves didn't hurt the movies, because really, the part of Neo is about the most bland, reactive character ever written.

And Tom Cruise is a shitty actor, and an even shittier person. He doesn't act. He flares his nostrils. He has NEVER acted. Collateral was the best role he's ever played, because there was so little of a human being in the role that he didn't have to stretch anywhere.

EDIT: Also, I forgot to mention that Tom Cruise is where he is because either: 1) he has the greatest agent in the world, who can convince studio execs that he really didn't suck as bad as they thought in that last movie of his, and gets him really great roles that could be box-office gold with a tree stump in the lead or 2) he has dirt on all the rich studio execs because he did their cleansings.

He should eat a fat bag of die.