MI3

[dusematic]

I'm not going to beat around the bush.  I thought this movie was awesome.  It was non stop awesome and I saw it twice.  Everything  a Hollywood action movie should be.

[schild]

Great. Scientology AND in the wrong forum.

[stray]

Never seen the first one. Definitely won't see the second (because John Woo is shite). Little hope of me seeing the third.

[schild]

Definitely won't see the second (because John Woo is shite).

Whut?

[stray]

John Woo is shite. Or shit.

Either/or.

[edit] OK, so the guy is one of the better action choreographers around. I'll give him that. But a good director or writer that doesn't make.

[Broughden]

John Woo is shite. Or shit.

Either/or.

[edit] OK, so the guy is one of the better action choreographers around. I'll give him that. But a good director or writer that doesn't make.

I have to agree. MI2 sucked the toilet paper dingleberries from my ass crack.

However, I also agree that MI3 was great! I actually didnt see the ending coming from a mile away.

[schild]

John Woo is shite. Or shit.

Either/or.

[edit] OK, so the guy is one of the better action choreographers around. I'll give him that. But a good director or writer that doesn't make.

Errrr. A Better Tomorrow 1, 2, & 3? Killer? Hard-Boiled? No likey?

[stray]

No likey?

Like I said, I do for the action to an extent. But the rest of what Woo does is more melodramatic than a Mexican soap opera. It's very hard to sit through for me.

His American films are another story though.. They're not melodramatic at all. Just corny....And stupid (sorry, can't think of a better word other than "stupid" for Face Off)

[Roac]

Won't go see MI3 because of Cruise.  I realize half of Hollywood is nuts, but I don't want to have that at the forefront of my mind when watching a movie.  Haven't seen War of the Worlds either.  Have every intention of not seeing either.

[Signe]

Won't go see MI3 because of Cruise.  I realize half of Hollywood is nuts, but I don't want to have that at the forefront of my mind when watching a movie.  Haven't seen War of the Worlds either.  Have every intention of not seeing either.

Why?  Because he's goofy or a scientologist?  I know that I can't even look at him anymore without seeing him hop around Oprah like some mindless monkey.  That's what did it for me.  If he were a good enough actor, he could probably make me forget that while I watch him act.  I guess he's not. 

[stray]

I try to avoid Cruise too, but when I do happen to see a movie of his, I end up liking it (if only slightly). Which sucks.

[tazelbain]

I like John Woo, but he really phoned in MI2.

[Signe]

I absolutely KNOW I saw MI2 and I can't remember a bit of it!  Hopefully, the movie was just forgettable and I'm not getting Alzheimer's really early.

[Roac]

Why?  Because he's goofy or a scientologist? 

Because he's a jarringly goofy scientologist.  I want to suspend belief when I go to a movie, and he breaks that for me.  I don't want to sit in the theatre (or at home, whatever) and while watching a character keep thinking about their RL selves.  It isn't just that he's a scientologist; I think it's medically dangerous and otherwise patently absurd, but half of Hollywood is signed up and I don't care about it much.  It's not just that he's goofy, since the other half of Hollywood is goofy, but they are at least forgettable.  It's that he is using his fame for something that can be highly dangerous for people (esp. his platform of choice, post partem).  I keep thinking he's like a Hollywood Hitler, except he is convincing people to walk into the chambers of their own will.  Makes it difficult to focus on the entertainment part.

[Signe]

Oh, that's right!  Isn't he the one who told people not to seek psychiatric help or take their meds?  They should just tough it out.  One of those Law and Order or CSI shows just did an episode based on that, except they used a rock star instead of a film star. 

Here's to hoping his stalkers stop taking their meds, too!

[Tebonas]

I couldn't watch any more Hollywood movies if I boykotted every Scientologist. But Tom Cruise is special, he earns it. The fucker!

[stray]

I'm partly with him on some of the medication stuff though, sans the Scientology. Some of the drugs people are gobbling up out there is poison. No better than, and sometimes worse, than drugs that are declared illegal (i.e. drugs that can't be federally controlled). He's right about our culture being too dependent on drugs. It doesn't take a Scientologist to realize that. This country has gone insane with drug dependency.

It's one thing if an adult wants to be stupid though, but making kids take all of that crap is just obscene.

The real health problem is that people don't do shit and eat nothing but shit. If they stopped doing that, then they'd be less anxious, depressed, restless, stressed out, etc., etc..


.....

Oh yeah, MI:3

/rantoff

[Tebonas]

Tom Cruise is one of those "Never" guys, denying even clinical cases that have chemical imbalances that need to be treated with medicaments their medicine.

You are against abuse, which I am as well. Tom Cruise isn't, he just wants to replace everything else (psychologists, psychiatrists and psychopharmacas) with the good old Audition process of Mother Scientology (=Brainwashing sessions).

[Miasma]

The only part of Woo's MI:2 I remember is some seen with a dove fluttering around in shafts of light.  I think I got physically ill.

I haven't seen MI:3 yet because of the Cruise factor as well, it would make me feel a little dirty.  Although I did like Collateral.

[Llava]

I remember Cruise and the badguy driving towards each other on motorcycles, and then they both jump off and slam into each other in the air.  It wasn't actiony or cool, it was just weird and seemed like a bad idea.

[WayAbvPar]

Yeah, MI2 was like my worst nightmare- it starred Cruise and was directed by Woo. I haven't seen anything that either one has done since, and I doubt I will.

[HaemishM]

Yeah, MI2 was like my worst nightmare- it starred Cruise and was directed by Woo. I haven't seen anything that either one has done since, and I doubt I will.

Paycheck (the one with Affleck and Uma) wasn't bad, though it had some typical Wooisms in it, like those goddamn doves. I just think many American producers have seen the Killer and maybe Hard-Boiled and force him to do the same shit over and over.

But then, MI2 was really shitty.

[Xanthippe]

I was so disappointed in MI1 that I never saw MI2.  [Jim Phelps would never never never have done that!]

Maybe I'll go see MI3, as long as I'm assured it won't shatter any of my preconceived notions.  I hate it when that happens.

[dusematic]

Just a friendly reminder:  this is about the exceedingly fun to watch MI3, not MI2.  Also, I understand the hatred for Tom Cruise and a refusal to see his movies because of it.  Yet, I pity you, because it means you'll be missing out on some sweet ass movies (like MI3).  See it in the theatre before it's too late.

[Abagadro]

I thought MI3 was "meh" even though I usually like JJ Abrams' TV stuff.

[dusematic]

I guess there's no accounting for poor taste.  But all seriousness aside, Tom Cruise is right behind PSH and Johnny Depp.  It's hard to think of too many people with large bodies of work that make consistently entertaining movies.

[HaemishM]

Tom Cruise is right behind PSH and Johnny Depp. 

You are insane. Comparing Cruise to Phillip Seymour Hoffman and Johnny Depp? Both the latter actors have more talent in one sweat molecule than Nostril-Flaretron could ever hope to achieve with 15,000 Cleansings and a host of Body Thetans.

[Signe]

I have to agree with Haemish here.  I'm not a big artsy fartsy film enthusiast like some here so maybe I'm missing something.  I have always found Tom Cruise's acting to be pretty mundane.  I'm not saying I haven't enjoyed some of his films but many of them I enjoyed in spite of him, not because of him. 

[dusematic]

I'm not comparing Tom Cruise to anyone, so you can put down the box full of homeless guy poop now.  But I do enjoy his movies just as much as PSH's and Depp's.

[Morfiend]

I absolutely KNOW I saw MI2 and I can't remember a bit of it!  Hopefully, the movie was just forgettable and I'm not getting Alzheimer's really early.

It was the one with that horrible fight sceen at the end, where every time Cruise or the badguy would throw a punch, right as the blow would land, it would switch to a shot of a wave breaking along the beach. HORRIBLE!

[Signe]

I don't remember that bit but I do remember the motorcycle thingy.  I like action movies but I'm pretty sure I didn't like that one... or, at least, it didn't make much of an impression. 

[Lantyssa]

I prefer comparing Tom Cruise to Keanu Reeves.  In almost all cases I would enjoy their films more were someone else cast in their place.

[stray]

Heh. It's comforting that no one jumped to Keanu's defense like what happened with Depp and PSH.

He's a hell of a lot more tolerable than Tom Cruise is though.

[Llava]

I prefer comparing Tom Cruise to Keanu Reeves.  In almost all cases I would enjoy their films more were someone else cast in their place.

Which raises the question:

Would the Matrix be more enjoyable with Cruise?
Or would War of the Worlds be better with Keanu?

It's kinda like the "What happens when the unstoppable force collides with the immovable object" question.

[stray]

If Will Smith and Reeves are the only two choices for Neo (yep, the Wachowski's wanted Will Smith first), then I'm glad Keanu got that role. In fact, he was pretty much perfect for it. Nobody does a better "Whoa..."