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[Lantyssa]

That is not green text.  I'm scared.

The only people I know that liked Voyager were people that watched it for Ensign Kim.

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That is not green text.  I'm scared.

The only people I know that liked Voyager were people that watched it for Ensign Kim.

Huh? He's worse than Wesley Crusher and Dr. Pulaski put together.


Oh wait, that's supposed to be in green text probably. Nevermind.


Voyager Season 6 isn't bad though (I should know. I recently watched the entire damn series in sequence).

[Strazos]

I recently watched the whole series again also.

Kim was kind of a bad character at first...then he was decent....then they gave him the lead in some weird episodes, then he was practically a ghost for the final season or two.

Could be worse...I could actually like the Yuh-Gi-Oh shows. Ugh on a spoon is what that is.

[Lantyssa]

Oh wait, that's supposed to be in green text probably. Nevermind.

For once I wasn't being sarcastic.  They weren't watching him for his acting though.  Kim was hugely popular within certain sub-cultures.

[WindupAtheist]

So I watched some old-school Trek on G4 today.  The first episode was the one where the two planets fight a computer simulated war, and march their citizens into disintegration chambers to model the casualties.  The computer decides the Enterprise is a casualty, and so the local government kidnaps Kirk and Spock and demands that the entire Enterprise crew beam down to be disintegrated.  Not surprisingly, this doesn't go over well.  The highlight was Scotty (at Kirk's behest) telling the planetary leader that he would blow up all of their major cities from orbit if they didn't quit being assholes.

Think that weenie Picard would ever have the cojones to threaten the destruction of an entire civilization as a negotiating tactic?  Not bloody likely.

Anyway, the next episode came on, and it was that "Star Trek 2.0" bullshit.  They take an episode and show it in a box about half the size of your screen, then fill the rest with idiotic web-chat from other assholes watching the show, and a bunch of other useless shit.  I wanted to see the episode, but I turned it off after about five minutes.  What sort of misbegotten bullshit is this?

[Yegolev]

I'd rather see Star Trek + Pop-up Trivia, or Star Trek + running commentary from Patrice O'Neil, but G4tv is trying desparately to completely suck gorilla ass.  And I suppose those other good ideas are owned by VH1/MTV/whoever.

[WindupAtheist]

I don't want any pop-ups or commentary or anything.  I just want to watch the show. 

[Reg]

Dukat was a great villain. Half the time I'd find myself liking him and then he'd do something beautifully evil. I'm definitely a fan. I also liked whats-her-name the Bajoran High Priestess. For evil, she could give Dukat a run for his money.

[Samwise]

Dukat was a great villain. Half the time I'd find myself liking him and then he'd do something beautifully evil. I'm definitely a fan. I also liked whats-her-name the Bajoran High Priestess. For evil, she could give Dukat a run for his money.

She plays evil well.  She was also Nurse Ratched in the movie version of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

[WindupAtheist]

Kira:  Dukat, you're a prick.
Dukat:  Whatever, I'm here on this planet to find my long-lost daughter.
Kira:  Aw, you're not such a bad guy.  I'll help.
Dukat:  Cool.
Kira:  Okay, we fought all the slavers and here's your daughter.
Dukat:  Awesome, time to shoot her!
Kira:  ZOMG NOES

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Dukat was a great villain. Half the time I'd find myself liking him and then he'd do something beautifully evil. I'm definitely a fan. I also liked whats-her-name the Bajoran High Priestess. For evil, she could give Dukat a run for his money.

She plays evil well.  She was also Nurse Ratched in the movie version of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

Shame on me... I knew she looked familiar.

She was kind of young then though, and that's probably more understandable than this:

A couple of weeks ago I just realized that Lt. Barclay is Murdock. I didn't watch a lot of Star Trek until recently, but hell, I should have known that.

[Ironwood]

Yeah, you should've.

[schild]

I liked TNG. I have not liked any other Treks I've seen. Is there like some kind of special gene I'm missing wherein a geek acquires the ability to sit through that much garbage sci-fi for a few good episodes? Maybe I'm missing the point, or maybe I'm not. I've always thought the original series, DS9, Enterprise, Voyager, etc. were all terribly boring compared to TNG.

Of course, I couldn't even make it through the BG miniseries. Didn't like Firefly either.

Maybe I just don't like sci-fi in any of its usual forms. Or maybe I like sci-fi and don't like other things parading as sci-fi (Firefly as a western, BG as a political drama, etc).

House still kicks ass though. We need a new TV thread, seasons are closing soon. Fall 2006 here we come.

[HaemishM]

DS9 was a good show, but that's because it wasn't really a Trek show. TNG was pretty bland, with some decent characters and actors, but overall /meh. Voyager was just awful. It started out interested and went downhill.

I liked most of Voyager.

There's no accounting for taste. 

It had some decent episodes, and I started out interested. But Janeway really started bugging the shit out of me as a character, and they never created their own villains that were worth a damn. The big kinky afro guys? Not threatening.

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The big kinky afro guys? Not threatening.

The Kazon. Fucking horrible.

[WindupAtheist]

By the way, can anyone tell me what the fuck Riker's function was?  I mean, I know he was the first officer.  Spock was the first officer on old Star Trek, but his everyday function was as the science officer.  The whole first officer thing only came into play when Kirk wasn't on the ship.  But Riker?  Even when Picard is there, he seems to have nothing to do but sit beside him playing co-captain.  Personally, I don't much like the idea of having two guys on the bridge of a ship, both of whom are permitted to bark out orders to the crew.  Seems like you would want the captain giving orders, without having to confer with his assistant to make sure he's not about to yell out something different.

[Rasix]

By the way, can anyone tell me what the fuck Riker's function was?

To score with alien chicks?

Maybe I just don't like sci-fi in any of its usual forms.

You don't like Farscape either.  Of course, I don't blame people for not liking a show that takes more than 20 episodes to become something truly compelling.

[Slayerik]

I recently watched the original Star Trek one where the Omnipotent being basically snatches Kirk and throws him in the "Arena Planet" versus a horrible monster kinda thing as a type of test of the Human species. The planet is covered with patches of raw natural elements and such. He predictably tries fist fighting the giant gila monster looking thing, and gets owned. So he kinda wanders the planet, bitching and moaning about how he cant fight the monster when he comes up with a plan to use the natural elements to form gunpowder, and grab a tube (barrel) and some Diamonds as projectiles. He blasts the monster and is about to finish him...when Kirk realizes that if this is a test of the Human Species, he should show mercy. This of course, shows the Omnipotent being that Humans are worth keeping around and not obliterating from the face of the universe.

Great episode.

I think it was the first of many times Kirk ran into a 'god'.

[Samwise]

By the way, can anyone tell me what the fuck Riker's function was?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Officer

I dunno, that sounds about right.

[Merusk]

I recently watched the original Star Trek one where the Omnipotent being basically snatches Kirk and throws him in the "Arena Planet" versus a horrible monster kinda thing as a type of test of the Human species. The planet is covered with patches of raw natural elements and such. He predictably tries fist fighting the giant gila monster looking thing, and gets owned. So he kinda wanders the planet, bitching and moaning about how he cant fight the monster when he comes up with a plan to use the natural elements to form gunpowder, and grab a tube (barrel) and some Diamonds as projectiles. He blasts the monster and is about to finish him...when Kirk realizes that if this is a test of the Human Species, he should show mercy. This of course, shows the Omnipotent being that Humans are worth keeping around and not obliterating from the face of the universe.

Great episode.

I think it was the first of many times Kirk ran into a 'god'.

The Gorn was the name of the species of gila monster thingy.  I agree great episode.  Also, that episode was featured in "Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey" in the background, because that's the same cliff the evil Bill & Ted robots throw the corpses off of.  Enjoy your useless trivia for the day.

[Samwise]

In the original short story, the human bludgeons the alien to death with a big rock, and is returned to his ship just in time to see the entire alien fleet going up in smoke because he won the arena contest.  I think I like that ending better.

[WindupAtheist]

I liked that one where Kirk got hit over the head while on a planet full of what were basically American Indians, got amnesia and decided he was one of them, then spent the entire episode running around dressed like a native screaming "I AM KIR-ROK!"

When old Trek is good, it's good.  When old Trek is bad, it's even better.

[Lantyssa]

Didn't like Firefly either.

I think you are just broken.

[schild]

Didn't like Firefly either.

I think you are just broken.

No, other genres masquerading as sci-fi are broken. I'm merely a purist.

[WindupAtheist]

Science fiction is a setting.  If you don't do anything with it besides try to be "science fictioney" you end up with...  Well you end up with TNG and every problem being solved by Geordi dramatically explaining how he can cross-modulate the phase nacelle warp coil flux capacitor through his left testicle.

TNG just annoyed the shit outta me.  The Enterprise had the aesthetics of a dentist's waiting room, it was filled with children and families even though it seemed criminally irresponsible to put them aboard the closest thing the Federation had to a battleship, and two thirds of the series was spent either listening to people prattle on to the ship's shrink or else watching them jerk their puds on the holodeck.

I did like the one episode where Troi's mother blundered into Picard's noir-detective holodeck fantasy.  She kept chatting up the bartender while Picard looked flabbergasted trying to think of a polite way to tell her she was about to cyber an NPC.

[Lantyssa]

No, other genres masquerading as sci-fi are broken. I'm merely a purist.

I never considered Firefly to be a sci-fi show, just a clever little space opra.  (I do not think space opra must equal sci-fi.)

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I did like the one episode where Troi's mother blundered into Picard's noir-detective holodeck fantasy.  She kept chatting up the bartender while Picard looked flabbergasted trying to think of a polite way to tell her she was about to cyber an NPC.

Seeing Picard trying to light up a cig just cracks me up..

Holodeck episodes are good in general.....Says a lot about the quality of the actual "sci fi" really.

[edit] Watching "A Fistful of Datas" at the moment...

[Strazos]

DS9 was a good show, but that's because it wasn't really a Trek show. TNG was pretty bland, with some decent characters and actors, but overall /meh. Voyager was just awful. It started out interested and went downhill.

I liked most of Voyager.

There's no accounting for taste. 

It had some decent episodes, and I started out interested. But Janeway really started bugging the shit out of me as a character, and they never created their own villains that were worth a damn. The big kinky afro guys? Not threatening.

If you really wanted to give it a chance, the development of both The Doctor (Robert Picardo) and 7 of 9 (Jeri Ryan) as characters are pretty much the best parts of the entire series. Granted, they both had "stupid" episodes (less so in the case of 7), but they were the two most compelling characters on the show, by far.

Hell, the most enjoyable episodes are the ones that star both The Doctor and 7. Especially the one where the crew stumbles into the territory of a society hostile towards holograms, and 7 is forced to "hide" The Doctor's program in one of her cybernetic implants and unknowningly gives him complete control over her conscious cognitive functions (physical actions, speech, etc).

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I'd include Tom Paris as well, but agreed, the Doctor is the main reason for watching ("Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy" stands out). And Seven, for whatever "assets" she was intended to bring to the series, actually made things more watchable on a variety of levels.

Still though, the writers started relying on them a bit too much. There are more Doctor and Seven episodes than anything else. They could have spent some of that time creating Delta Quadrant races that didn't suck. The most interesting aliens in Voyager are the Borg -- That's not a good thing.

[Strazos]

Oh, I forgot Paris, and Torres to a lesser degree.

But yes, most of the alien races were....bleh.

[HaemishM]

I didn't watch the Seven of 9 era. I pegged her inclusion pretty early as 1) pander to the geeks wilted testicles and 2) pander to the geeks wilted Trekkie dreams with the Borg. /sadf

The Doctor was the best part of the show. Hell, I like Paris and Kim and Chakote(?) the first officer who was a Maqui. But they used most of them in criminal ways to play off of Janeway. Janeway started off as a character I could get behind, then she just kicked her Bitch-engine into 3rd gear.

[Ironwood]

Hell, the most enjoyable episodes are the ones that star both The Doctor and 7. Especially the one where the crew stumbles into the territory of a society hostile towards holograms, and 7 is forced to "hide" The Doctor's program in one of her cybernetic implants and unknowningly gives him complete control over her conscious cognitive functions (physical actions, speech, etc).

That episode bothered me.  Not enough mirrors or masturbation.

[Yegolev]

A couple of weeks ago I just realized that Lt. Barclay is Murdock. I didn't watch a lot of Star Trek until recently, but hell, I should have known that.

I started noticing Dwight Schultz more when I found him playing Hoxie in Escape from Butcher Bay.  Turns out he's been doing game voices for a while, going back to Fallout 2.  He has been in a good bit of Final Fantasy stuff since Spirits Within, too.  The fifteen most-recent entries in his IMDB listing is very game heavy.

[Strazos]

I didn't watch the Seven of 9 era. I pegged her inclusion pretty early as 1) pander to the geeks wilted testicles and 2) pander to the geeks wilted Trekkie dreams with the Borg. /sadf

The Doctor was the best part of the show. Hell, I like Paris and Kim and Chakote(?) the first officer who was a Maqui. But they used most of them in criminal ways to play off of Janeway. Janeway started off as a character I could get behind, then she just kicked her Bitch-engine into 3rd gear.

She's actually not a bad actress. I think she handled the role very well. Stuff that any normal person takes for granted, that a Borg would know nothing about, I think she played out very well. It wouldn't hurt you to give her a shot - Jeri Ryan ended up being a much more enjoyable actor to watch (on an acting level) than the ever-befudeled-by-life Kim, or Chakotay. Occasionaly Neeliz was nice to watch, but he was mostly annoying. On of the character's best episodes is the one where he is combined with Tuvok (Vulcan).

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When I caught Voyager episodes several years back, I thought Neelix was amusing. Not so anymore. He's got to be one of the most obnoxious characters ever.

There was a pretty hilarious episode once where Tuvok was going through the Vulcan "mating period" and losing grasp of his emotions. For some reason, Neelix thought it was a good time to poke and prod Tuvok about "having fun" (as Neelix is usually inclined to do). The Vulcan decided to not take any of his shit for a change and nearly choked him to death.

Too bad he didn't end it all right there.

The Tuvix episode was depressing, but yeah, it was good. Talk about Janeway kicking her "bitch engine" into third gear.