Star Trek > UO

[stray]

Yes, I am bored, why ?

Because you're not watching TNG reruns like me?


Actually, the episode I'm watching now is "Power Play". It sucks.

[stray]

It's gone around so many times, I don't even understand the argument that you're having anymore.  Seriously.  I don't understand what is the 'subject' that Schild refers to.

I don't understand how anyone - and I mean ANYONE - can actually care about the subscriptions of UO unless you are either :

A - Involved in the production of the game.
B - Playing aforementioned game.

Frankly, I think a wee poll that has those two options should be put on the thread and anyone who doesn't fit the criterion gets banned from posting in the thread.

Anyone trying to argue that Pre-Trammel UO was somehow a 'better' game is insane.  It's like prefering the Middle Ages over Right Now.

Things change and that's good because I no longer have to worry about The Black Death.

In your desire to question the sanity of this thread, you are, in effect, attempting to rerail it.

Just saying.

[Der Helm]

Because you're not watching TNG reruns like me?

That must be it, work sucks, big time, especially with a hangover like mine ...

Actually, the episode I'm watching now is "Power Play". It sucks.

Die Enterprise empfängt einen schwachen Notruf von einem Mond der Klasse M, der aber eigentlich unbewohnt sein soll. Das Signal wird identifiziert als das eines vor 200 Jahren verschollenen Raumschiffes, der Essex. Da schwere elektromagnetische Stürme auf der Oberfläche des Mondes eine Scannersuche verhindern, begeben sich Troi, Riker und Data mit einem Shuttle hinunter. Dieses gerät beim Landeanflug außer Kontrolle und stürzt ab. Riker bricht sich den Arm. Der Versuch, die drei auf die Enterprise zurückzubeamen, misslingt. In diesem Augenblick werden Troi, Data und O"Brien von fremden Wesen umgepolt, nur Riker wird verschont. Data und Troi, nunmehr fremdgesteuert, versuchen, das Raumschiff zur südlichen Polarregion des Mondes zu lenken. Als Riker und Picard das ablehnen, kommt es zum Kampf...

Oh, I remember that one.

[stray]

After finally giving Enterprise a chance, I thought it'd be a good idea to revisit the other Treks.

Well, revisit is the wrong word, since I didn't watch DS9 much before....So that was my second stop after ENT. It turned out to be some of the best Sci Fi I've ever seen...

Changed my opinion on Voyager and Next Generation though. For the most part, they both suck (I'm still on TNG season 5 though).

[Der Helm]

Changed my opinion on Voyager and Next Generation though. For the most part, they both suck (I'm still on TNG season 5 though).

Would comparing Pre-DS9 Startrek with Voyager and the other stuff be some kind of rerail ?

[Reg]

DS9 was good for a reason. Its head writer was the same guy who's doing Battlestar Galactica now.

[stray]

DS9 was good for a reason. Its head writer was the same guy who's doing Battlestar Galactica now.

Hmm...Didn't realize that. I recently downloaded that too, but haven't watched an episode yet.

[Der Helm]

DS9 was good for a reason. Its head writer was the same guy who's doing Battlestar Galactica now.

Hmm...Didn't realize that. I recently downloaded that too, but haven't watched an episode yet.

Do it, its good stuff ...

[Ironwood]

DS9 was good for a reason. Its head writer was the same guy who's doing Battlestar Galactica now.

DS9 was awful.  Probably for just that reason.  He writes well for BG, but not for DS9...

[Reg]

DS9 was good for a reason. Its head writer was the same guy who's doing Battlestar Galactica now.

DS9 was awful.  Probably for just that reason.  He writes well for BG, but not for DS9...

You are, as usual, completely wrong. A worthless carebear. Why on earth would I take anything you say about DS9 seriously when it's not even backed up with a graph?

[Merusk]

DS9 was good for a reason. Its head writer was the same guy who's doing Battlestar Galactica now.

DS9 was awful.  Probably for just that reason.  He writes well for BG, but not for DS9...

I agree, for probably a different reason.  While DS9 was good Sci Fi, it's bad Star Trek.  Star Trek is supposed to be about man's bright future and triumph of humanity.  That was Roddenberry's entire vision and reason for running the series in the first place.  DS9 was too dystopian for that.

   In fact, the head writer was on that History Channel special "How William Shatner changed History" (Which would have been better titled, "How Star Trek influenced the last 40 years.")  He stated he pretty much though Star Trek was bullshit, machines and tech are bad and the future sucks, etc.  That viewpoint is perfect for BSG.

[Ironwood]

DS9 was good for a reason. Its head writer was the same guy who's doing Battlestar Galactica now.

DS9 was awful.  Probably for just that reason.  He writes well for BG, but not for DS9...

I agree, for probably a different reason.  While DS9 was good Sci Fi, it's bad Star Trek.  Star Trek is supposed to be about man's bright future and triumph of humanity.  That was Roddenberry's entire vision and reason for running the series in the first place.  DS9 was too dystopian for that.

   In fact, the head writer was on that History Channel special "How William Shatner changed History" (Which would have been better titled, "How Star Trek influenced the last 40 years.")  He stated he pretty much though Star Trek was bullshit, machines and tech are bad and the future sucks, etc.  That viewpoint is perfect for BSG.

NO.  You agree for exactly the same reasons.


I just couldn't be bothered saying that.

[schild]

I love all of you.  THANK YOU.

Edit: Stray, that was a masterful derail. This if for you.

[Jeff Kelly]

Actually, the episode I'm watching now is "Power Play". It sucks.

That episode is currently running on the german Sci Fi Channel. Coincidence? I think not.

[stray]

Do they air them in English over there? The way the series is going, I might enjoy them better in German dub.

[Jeff Kelly]

Edit: Stray, that was a masterful derail. This if for you.

What kind of cat is that? Does anybody know? The cuteness factor is off the scale. I need one of those.

[Der Helm]

I love all of you.  THANK YOU.

We aim to please ...

[Der Helm]

What kind of cat is that? Does anybody know? The cuteness factor is off the scale. I need one of those.

http://www.obaketsu.com/

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[Jeff Kelly]

Do they air them in English over there?

No all programming is dubbed german. Something I dislike with all my heart because translations usually suck. Dubs have to be cheap to not hurt the bottom line of the networks and so they are usually done by cheap hacks without a clue.

[Jeff Kelly]

http://www.obaketsu.com/

OK, so we are both germans, we are both at work and we are both bored enough to post nonsense on f13 and one of us has a decent hangover. Shouldn't we plot to invade something?

[Der Helm]

No all programming is dubbed German. Something I dislike with all my heart because translations usually suck. Dubs have to be cheap to not hurt the bottom line of the networks and so they are usually done by cheap hacks without a clue.

Ever watched polish TV ? They used have one "voice actor" who dubbed all and everything, women, children, the narrator ...

It was (is?) hilarious and I do not even understand polish

[Der Helm]

OK, so we are both germans, we are both at work and we are both bored enough to post nonsense on f13 and one of us has a decent hangover. Shouldn't we plot to invade something?

I am going to invade the beautifull city of Münster in a few hours.
Feel free to join me.

[Samwise]

OK, so we are both germans, we are both at work and we are both bored enough to post nonsense on f13 and one of us has a decent hangover. Shouldn't we plot to invade something?

If F13 had a quote of the day, this would be it.

[HaemishM]

DS9 was good for a reason. Its head writer was the same guy who's doing Battlestar Galactica now.

DS9 was awful.  Probably for just that reason.  He writes well for BG, but not for DS9...

DS9 was a good show, but that's because it wasn't really a Trek show. TNG was pretty bland, with some decent characters and actors, but overall /meh. Voyager was just awful. It started out interested and went downhill.

There is no Trek but the first Trek!

[Miasma]

Do they air them in English over there?

No all programming is dubbed german. Something I dislike with all my heart because translations usually suck. Dubs have to be cheap to not hurt the bottom line of the networks and so they are usually done by cheap hacks without a clue.

Wow, dubbing over Patrick Stewart's voice should be a crime.

I didn't like DS9 much either, the plotlines were often absurd because each week they had to come up with some plausible way to import an event to the station.  It got a bit better when they got that ship and finally broke the tether that had been dragging them down.  I also thought both Quark and Odo were bad characters.  Sisko seemed one dimensional as well.  It's redeeming quality in my mind was that it had much more action, I have no loyalty to Roddenberry's vision.  I feel dirty talking about this.

I heard a terrible rumour that they are making a new Star Trek movie and that it will be a prequel starting from when Kirk met Spock at Starfleet academy.

[Gutboy Barrelhouse]

I still find it somewhat disturbing that 2 Germans post using better english than 99% of Americans. American schools FTL 

[Samwise]

I also thought both Quark and Odo were bad characters.

Blasphemy!  How could you not like the Ferengi bartender with a heart of latinum and the crotchety shape-shifting lawman?

Okay, they're cheesy and one-dimensional, but I found them endlessly entertaining.

[Samwise]

I still find it somewhat disturbing that 2 Germans post using better english than 99% of Americans. American schools FTL 

German grammar snakes grow to be upwards of 15 feet long.  There's more incentive not to piss them off.

[stray]

Quark (and the Ferengi in general) was one of the biggest reasons why I liked DS9 (Garak is good too though). The show is a lot more comedic than the other Treks. With the exception of Brent Spiner, they were rarely funny.

Besides that, Gul Dukat is the shit. Star Trek hasn't had a better villain (including Khan).

I heard a terrible rumour that they are making a new Star Trek movie and that it will be a prequel starting from when Kirk met Spock at Starfleet academy.

Headed by the guy who created Lost, I think.

[WindupAtheist]

I too have come to enjoy DS9 recently, having never really watched it when it was new.  Good characters, good actors, good writing.  (And Dukat is indeed badass.)  I need to tape that episode where they travel back in time to visit Kirk and the tribbles.  My dad would get a kick out of it.

Two things that annoy me, though, are an occasional excessive focus upon Bajoran cultural stuff that I personally don't give a crap about, and an all-around ignorance of basic military tactics.  The Rhode Island National Guard could probably decimate the entire Klingon and Dominion armies in a ground battle, given the way they fight.  I mean, even bloody Stormtroopers at least know what armored vehicles are.

[Johny Cee]

DS9 was a good show, but that's because it wasn't really a Trek show. TNG was pretty bland, with some decent characters and actors, but overall /meh. Voyager was just awful. It started out interested and went downhill.

There is no Trek but the first Trek!

YES. 

Very, very true,  outside of a couple of episodes with the borg.

I didn't watch that much DS9,  but you knew the tone was going to be different because of the first episode.  It started with the borg wrecking Star Fleet and Sisko losing his wife before Picard and crew beat the borg with the 11th hour technobabble....  like they always beat everything.

Xfiles did what the original Trek did most successfully:  Monster of the week in an entertaining story with characters you like.

[stray]

Xfiles did what the original Trek did most successfully:  Monster of the week in an entertaining story with characters you like.

I would think that all the Treks (except DS9) pretty much follow that formula. DS9, otoh, kept me interested the entire way because it was more focused on giant story arcs and multi season long wars, with lots of screen time given to side characters. Different cultures besides Starfleet were explored in depth, and the villains weren't so one dimensional.

Also, the X files had it's fair share of smoking man/alien episodes as well. Not everything was monster of the week. It was kind of in between the two writing styles, if anything.

[stray]

DS9 was good for a reason. Its head writer was the same guy who's doing Battlestar Galactica now.

Hmm...Didn't realize that. I recently downloaded that too, but haven't watched an episode yet.

Do it, its good stuff ...

First impressions of BG (after watching the mini series) is:

Too dark, overly tragic, and militaristic for my tastes. It's definitely tapped into the current zeitgeist, I'll say that much. It's like watching the sci-fi equivalant of Blackhawk Down or United 93.

I'll take crappy Star Trek episodes over this, I think.

[Rasix]

It gets better after the mini-series.  My wife thought it was too militaristic after the mini-series also, now she's #1 fangirl.

Edit: One caveat, the first episode is intense and rather relentless.

[Strazos]

DS9 was a good show, but that's because it wasn't really a Trek show. TNG was pretty bland, with some decent characters and actors, but overall /meh. Voyager was just awful. It started out interested and went downhill.

I liked most of Voyager.