Iowa bans funeral griefing. Griefers outraged.

[Samwise]

I almost posted this in Politics, but it just seems too surreal.  I'll move it if necessary.

Fox News clip.

Seriously.  WTF.

[WayAbvPar]

Westboro Baptist Church are essentially non-violent terrorists. I feel dirty- I basically was on the same side as Sean Hannity.

[Samwise]

Of course, it was their own fault for having the funeral outside where anyone could get at them.  Good thing there was a group of assholes around to teach them a valuable lesson.

[stray]

I'm not down with either of them. Though Hannity's "God loves the patriots" thing is simply a matter of being misguided. He's not insane at least.

[Big Gulp]

The law is unconstitutional and stupid.  These jackasses have every right to protest a funeral.

Of course, were I the father of a soldier being buried and these douchebags were protesting I can guarantee you that some serious bodily harm would be done.  Frankly I don't see any jury in the country (OK, maybe Massachussetts or California) convicting me.

[Jimbo]

That chick was a freak!  Sure she can protest, but you do at your own risk is how I look at it, and if she gets her ass beat so be it.

[Strazos]

I'm all for freedom of speech and expression....but What The Fuck were these people thinking? Have some fucking class.

If you want to protest about homosexuality, or the war, or Anything....

A Funeral is NOT the time to do it. Have some fucking class, people.

If I were on a jury presiding over a murder case involving someone who killed a protester who was protesting a funeral, I'd vote for justifiable homicide. This shit is just foul.

EDIT: Best thing to come off of Fox News. EVER.

[Roac]

The law is unconstitutional and stupid.  These jackasses have every right to protest a funeral.

Not anymore.  Nothing in the first amendment forbids laws against disorderly conduct in its various forms.

I think this is the same group that has been counter-protested by the biker group, for anyone who remmebers that from a few months back.

[stray]

I think this is the same group that has been counter-protested by the biker group, for anyone who remmebers that from a few months back.

Otherwise known as the "God Hates Fags" people.

That should better refresh everyone's memory.

[Strazos]

I suppose saying "He's not My God" doesn't make a difference, right?

[Paelos]

It doesn't matter. People will hopefully recognize the false prophets around them. Some won't. That's the way it was before Jesus came, and that's the way it will be until we are all ashes and dust.

Just don't let them have the false prophets have control over your life and you'll be fine.

[Ironwood]

Of course, it was their own fault for having the funeral outside where anyone could get at them.  Good thing there was a group of assholes around to teach them a valuable lesson.

:)

Where was Telemediocrity during this ?

[HaemishM]

Wow. That's... that may be the most batshit insane bitch I've ever seen in my life that wasn't covered in her own feces and screeching about the Muffin Man coming to take her eggs. When both Hannity AND Colmes can agree that you are fucking monkey nuts, you are really fucking monkey nuts.

The bill probably is unconstitutional. It would probably work better if it specified that the protest couldn't be within like 1 mile of the funeral or something.

But holy shit. You can look in this woman's eyes and it's just blank.

Also, isn't this the same kind of thing I was bitching about the "Player Funeral Ambushed" thread, only in real life?

[Samwise]

Also, isn't this the same kind of thing I was bitching about the "Player Funeral Ambushed" thread, only in real life?

You win the thread!  What do you win?  Another beer!

[Roac]

Also, isn't this the same kind of thing I was bitching about the "Player Funeral Ambushed" thread, only in real life?

PK is the purpose of RL?

[HaemishM]

No, but the amount of actual pain inflicted is just about similar, since the PK's in WoW only inflicted emotional damage on the grieving.

[Paelos]

I don't really see how the law is unconstitutional. They still have the right to free assembly, but it isn't in your rights to do it wherever the hell you want. The government can set laws on how far away they must be from the actual event and not violate their rights, especially if the law is meant to protect all people involved from a violent outbreak.

[Riggswolfe]

This God Hates Fags "church" is full of crazy people. Go to their website sometime.

Honestly, I am waiting until they piss off enough people that someone blows one of their heads off. If they follow their past patterns they'll probably sue. (In fact, a cynical part of me thinks this church is nothing but a money making scam. They try to piss people off, when people react they sue. Read about the founder someday and how he got disbarred as a lawyer, and how his children are mostly all lawyers..)

[Roac]

No, but the amount of actual pain inflicted is just about similar, since the PK's in WoW only inflicted emotional damage on the grieving.

No, then the context is not at all similar, so neither is your comparison.  A better analogy (though still off, of course) would be company A crying because they got WTFPWN'd by company B; A focused on donating to causes and raising awareness of issues.  B focused on making money.

In a capitalist country, your goal is to make money.  In a PK game, your goal is to PK.

[bhodi]

I think they were in felwood.

[WindupAtheist]

Also, isn't this the same kind of thing I was bitching about the "Player Funeral Ambushed" thread, only in real life?

Yes, except one took place in the Azzrape zone of the Gutsplatter server in the World of Fragcraft computer game.
The other happened in Iowa.

THEY'RE EXACTLY IDENTICAL OMG

[HaemishM]

You can shoot someone in Iowa just as easily as Felwood. All earth is a PK-zone.

But again, you are focusing on the tool and not the goal. The goal is to cause someone grief. The method doesn't really matter much, it still shows an amazing lack of respect for humanity.

[Ironwood]

Bear in mind that round here focusing on tools is a problem.  We never get away from the mirror.

 

[Roac]

But again, you are focusing on the tool and not the goal. The goal is to cause someone grief.

Most griefers I've known do it for personal gratification, not because of any effect it has on someone else.  There isn't really an opportunity to relish the sadness potentially instilled in another in most games, since once they die they are usually removed from the killer.

[Velorath]

Most griefers I've known do it for personal gratification, not because of any effect it has on someone else.  There isn't really an opportunity to relish the sadness potentially instilled in another in most games, since once they die they are usually removed from the killer.

Unless of course you make a video clip of the incident.

[Roac]

Most griefers I've known do it for personal gratification, not because of any effect it has on someone else.  There isn't really an opportunity to relish the sadness potentially instilled in another in most games, since once they die they are usually removed from the killer.

Unless of course you make a video clip of the incident.

...which is about the PK dominating the victim, and not about the victim crying all over so that the PK can bathe in his tears?  Those videos?

[Murgos]

Most griefers I've known do it for personal gratification, not because of any effect it has on someone else.  There isn't really an opportunity to relish the sadness potentially instilled in another in most games, since once they die they are usually removed from the killer.

Unless of course you make a video clip of the incident.

...which is about the PK dominating the victim, and not about the victim crying all over so that the PK can bathe in his tears?  Those videos?

Video's of pwning newbs aren't about the newbs being pwned it's about the pwners leetness!!!  OMGWTFBBQLOLERZKATES!

Your brain is broken.  Today's word is empathy.

edit:  Logical extreme of your argument.  The rape wasn't about the victim's pain it was about the rapers gratification.

[Roac]

Yes, that is it.  No sarcasm needed.  Sociopathic behavior isn't due to the other, it's due to the self.  Merely by being sociopathic you are required to say they are not empathetic - it is their inability to really grok the other's emotional state that makes what they do easy.  By being unempathetic they cannot derrive pleaseure from it.  However, instead of throwing down a blanket accusation of sociopathic tendancies to PKs, it's also important to note that being able to relate to people is easier when you are similar to the other person.  This is why cultures clash so often in the real world; neither side "gets" what the other is doing.  When a PK ganks carebears, it's often partially due to an utter lack of understanding of why the victim cares.  That is, there is also a sense that PKs pick their victims because they are different. 

[tazelbain]

It's not that they can't understand what others are feeling, it that they don't care. Their gratification is all that matters.  Also I doubt that many of the sociopaths in MMOGs are like that in real life.  The "It's just game." rationalization pretty much justifies whatever atrocious behavior.

[Murgos]

Yes, that is it.  No sarcasm needed.

I misunderstood.  I thought your were trying to validate the griefers by saying "They know not what they do."


Nuance can be hard to come by on teh intarweb.

[Roac]

It's not that they can't understand what others are feeling, it that they don't care. Their gratification is all that matters. 

Yes, exactly.  That is sociopathic or non-empathetic behavior.  It's something anyone but the legitimately retarded can understand intellectually, but an intellectual understanding isn't what empathy is.  Empathy is being hurt when someone else hurts, or happy when someone else is happy. 

[sarius]

It's not that they can't understand what others are feeling, it that they don't care. Their gratification is all that matters. 

Yes, exactly.  That is sociopathic or non-empathetic behavior.  It's something anyone but the legitimately retarded can understand intellectually, but an intellectual understanding isn't what empathy is.  Empathy is being hurt when someone else hurts, or happy when someone else is happy. 

Agree.  Seriously, can we not designate that someone's funeral is at least a private matter?

[Margalis]

No, we can't.

They should have had the funeral in a private area. Simple. These retards were asking for it and got what they deserved. There are plenty of private venues available that they stupidly chose not to use.

Yes, thank god griefers exist in order to teach the naive among us the valuable lesson that griefers exist. How could we learn that without griefers? (That is the logic right?)

Really this is basically the same thing. These protestors did what they did just to get attention at the expense of other human beings. Of course they aren't exactly the same thing but the idea is the same.

At least it takes some balls to break up a real-life funeral.

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In all seriousness, it's amazing how you have to pass laws to get retards to the do the simplest things like respect the dead, not talk on cellphones during movies, etc.

[Lantyssa]

At least it takes some balls to break up a real-life funeral.

Or an appalling lack of empathy.

[Margalis]

Well it takes both. I have no respect for virtual or real-life funeral griefers, but at least real life griefers have some stones.